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Major US Study Says Red Meat Unhealthy/Lethal/Can Kill!!!

fwiw according to a major US study, red meat is not only unhealthy but can be positively lethal. Apparently, the research shows regularly eating red meat - especially the processed variety - dramatically increases the risk of death from heart disease and cancer.

Each additional daily serving of processed red meat, equivalent to one hot-dog or two rashers of bacon, raised the chances of dying by a fifth.

source: Sky News http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16187521
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Processed foods are bad? :O I'm utterly shocked!
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Processed foods are bad? :O I'm utterly shocked!
The study points out that unprocessed meat is unhealthy as well - processed meat is even worse
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it's because people (at least americans) eat so much of it in all it's twisted forms.
my grandfather slaughtered a pig and a steer each year ~ land living/eating ~ ate meat or pork everyday. never ate a fast food or packaged food, grew fruits and vegetables 'til he died at age 93 from prostate cancer.
perhaps it the way beef is raised, slaughtered and processed into all kinds of frozen conditions that leads to this study. prior to early 1960's ~ buying prepared pkg'd food at markets, other than bakery, was not common.
people have forgotten how to eat.
in the past year i've eaten more fried foods, meats and greases than in last 20 years. my body spoke up. meats are out of the question.
so many delicious options to meat these days.
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it's because people (at least americans) eat so much of it in all it's twisted forms.
my grandfather slaughtered a pig and a steer each year ~ land living/eating ~ ate meat or pork everyday. never ate a fast food or packaged food, grew fruits and vegetables 'til he died at age 93 from prostate cancer.
perhaps it the way beef is raised, slaughtered and processed into all kinds of frozen conditions that leads to this study. prior to early 1960's ~ buying prepared pkg'd food at markets, other than bakery, was not common.
people have forgotten how to eat.
in the past year i've eaten more fried foods, meats and greases than in last 20 years. my body spoke up. meats are out of the question.
so many delicious options to meat these days.
I take it that your grandfather was a stranger to the menorah?

With all this s*** coming from the courts trying to tell us here in the States that we haven't the right to know where our food comes from and wheter it has been genetically modified or not. I realized the other day...
"Why Not Go Kosher?"
I may even convert...


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I take it that your grandfather was a stranger to the menorah?

With all this s*** coming from the courts trying to tell us here in the States that we haven't the right to know where our food comes from and wheter it has been genetically modified or not. I realized the other day...
"Why Not Go Kosher?"
I may even convert...


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my mom's father wasn't jewish.
kosher is law from leviticus.
not to pound the torah, but read leviticus in hebrew scriptures, and further onon, ezekial ~
both are purposeful in matters like these ~
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fwiw according to a major US study, red meat is not only unhealthy but can be positively lethal. Apparently, the research shows regularly eating red meat - especially the processed variety - dramatically increases the risk of death from heart disease and cancer.

Each additional daily serving of processed red meat, equivalent to one hot-dog or two rashers of bacon, raised the chances of dying by a fifth.

source: Sky News http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16187521
Wonderful post!

Ive been a vegetarian for nearly 5 years now, mostly because of researching this more. Its alarming how negatively meat can affect our bodies ---- and, of course, the act of killing another creature is terrible in itself (especially when it isnt even necessary for our survival).

Did you see the bilboard posted that says "Hot Dogs cause Butt Cancer" -- Its so tackless, but they're finally attempting to get the message across to the world.. though maybe a little too late..

An uncle of mine actually developed intestinal cancer 3 years ago, and his doctors blame his heavy meat-eating for his cancer!

Its too real. And yet, still, most people in this country are keeping themselves in denial..!

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according to a major US study, red meat is not only unhealthy but can be positively lethal.
Sure it can, if you choke on it. The real problem is all the anitbiotics, and genetic engineering that goes into the meat for the food industry.

ptv and MaeMae, did you ever wonder why the food prohibitions (and all the others) were included in Leviticus?

Humans were able to develop their brain function by eating....animal fats. 50% of a newborn's caloric intake has to come from fat.
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Sure it can, if you choke on it. The real problem is all the anitbiotics, and genetic engineering that goes into the meat for the food industry.

ptv and MaeMae, did you ever wonder why the food prohibitions (and all the others) were included in Leviticus?

Humans were able to develop their brain function by eating....animal fats. 50% of a newborn's caloric intake has to come from fat.
A way to preserve the preservation of jews after exodus. nomads. wandering tribes. lack of basics.
the whole "letting of blood" to preserve cleanliness. not eating bottom dwellers (garbage eating).
all kinds of man-needs-earth things.
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Sure it can, if you choke on it. The real problem is all the anitbiotics, and genetic engineering that goes into the meat for the food industry.

Humans were able to develop their brain function by eating....animal fats. 50% of a newborn's caloric intake has to come from fat
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A newborn cannot chew meat! Obviously fats are essential to the diet and these are obtainable from sources other than meat. e.g. oily fish, coconut fat, olive oil and a multitude of other vegetable oils

Few can afford organic meat.

The vast majority who cannot afford organic meat are forced to dine off a dead animal that has been fed all of its life with genetically engineered/pesticide sprayed foodstuffs while being injected with antibiotics/drugs that remain in its system and are dangerous to humans. Animals are cruelly slaughtered... when dying in fear animals release toxins into their body... the resulting nauseating mix is then ingested by the unsuspecting consumer.
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The fact is, it is more nutritious to eat a little meat than it is to completely eliminate it from your diet. Beef is GOOD for you, and it's sad that many people read articles like these and become vegans or vegetarians. They then devote their time, money, and energy into adhering to these lifestyles, thinking that they are improving their health, when in actuality they are doing the exact opposite.
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not true R&R ~
meats are bad for people who cannot process proteins and fats.
nonetheless ~
well treated meat has sustained the world for centuries.
deviations come from outside sources, rodents, bacterium and unsafe handling.
any hunter knows how to kill an animal, bleed him and cut him and refrigerate him and store him for food.
a drive up interstate 5 in california, somewhere near bakersfield, there is a steer "ranch" ~
filthy, miserable, weakly fed, cramped, disgusting and inhumane.
these places sell their meat.
who knows what happens after it leaves their facility?
This post is inflammatory towards beef but not directed at the way beef is mass fed, treated and produced.
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MaeMae,

I do not understand what you mean by "people who cannot process protein and fats". Since they are essential nutrients, a person would have to assimilate them in order to live. Consuming animal products is one of the easiest ways to receive adequate dosages of them outside of taking supplements.

Of course it's easy to point out the issues involved with the processing of meat and so on, but I can assure you that similar issues are factors in the processing of all products, including the ones you think are "organic". The fact is, the predominant motive of mass production is profit, not health. So, unless you grew it in your backyard, there's no way you can be absolutely sure of what happened to anything, including those things which are labeled "natural".
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people with kidney, gall bladder diseases, probably liver, too. they can't expell the proteins and the fats.
nonetheless ~ i'm not anti-meat but i no longer eat it.
good, healthy , lean beef, ranged and grazed and not messed with and slaughtered appropriately is not what this study is talking about.
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MaeMae,

I read the article carefully. It clearly disapproved of regular consumption of all red meat, with an emphasis on processed red meat.

People suffering from such diseases may be put on a reduced protein diet, but they can and should still eat a little meat. It's much better than taking those whey and soy protein supplements, which are poisonous.

I'm not a doctor, nor am I a nutritionist. I'm just a health conscious Virgo who has tried vegetarianism before. I'll just say that it was a short experience that taught me a good bit about nutrition and health. You've got to be a bit skeptical of "science" these days.
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i refer to beef in this instance.
lots of people don't eat beef who survive.
India for example.
my only point really is that the meat that "Kills Us" is toxic, poorly raised and mass produced. Paying more for pure, raising your own (if you have the land) or going without should be the alternative.
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Here is something I have thought about for....quite awhile.

Eskimos eat nothing but meat. In fact, they have a rather mono diet and they do not die of any of the diseases or have any of the complications that others do. They live quite long and healthy lives for the most part.

Italians, for example, also not only eat a high amount of meat but, also high cholesterol. Yet, they have a lower incidence of heart and arterial problems then other places like the USA.

So, it it really what we eat or how it is treated before we eat it?? Is it what we eat or how we are eating it or using that energy to fuel our lives? Not sure, but I can tell you that the argument is not so easily solved by simply pointing fingers at a carrot vs. a steak.

Just some thoughts....
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On the contrary, authentic Eskimos eat nothing but fish since there is nothing for animals to graze on in the frozen wastes. Eskimos could get the odd seal/polar bear but subsist mostly on various varieties of fish.

Italians are famed for consuming vast quantities of pasta, macaroni, pizza and cheese
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Here is something I have thought about for....quite awhile.

Eskimos eat nothing but meat. In fact, they have a rather mono diet and they do not die of any of the diseases or have any of the complications that others do. They live quite long and healthy lives for the most part.

Italians, for example, also not only eat a high amount of meat but, also high cholesterol. Yet, they have a lower incidence of heart and arterial problems then other places like the USA.

So, it it really what we eat or how it is treated before we eat it?? Is it what we eat or how we are eating it or using that energy to fuel our lives? Not sure, but I can tell you that the argument is not so easily solved by simply pointing fingers at a carrot vs. a steak.

Just some thoughts....
I don't know that we Italians are anymore tolerant to high levels than other ethnic groups overall. I did hear of an exception or two...
I believe those Italians you are referring to are an isolated group that has an extremely high level of cholesterol among them and the tolerance for it...and I can't remember where in Italy the region is. They do use a lot of Olive oil and probably exclusively.
Since 2007 I know longer allow any oil to be used in cooking in my home other than Olive but do permit occasionally peanut, almond..or any of the 'nut' oils... [don't care for the flavor of coconut other than in candy or cake, thanx u.]

I know that my mom [who sort of atypical 'Earth Mother Hippie'... though she was 38 at the onset of the 'Summer of Love'. {I was 14}] whom had read all of Adele Davis and was always up to date with all things Edgar Cayce, had a 'Cause' going for dietary oils.

She extolled Olive oil and Peanut oil as Cayce had done so.
She oft remarked that it is the oils we use that potentially are are the greatest harm to us in the 'long term picture'.
She oft reminded me that there was not much that was worse than eating something of rancid oil content.
Inferior and or unnatural oils aren't good for you. That crud that is called 'Canola oil' that was known as 'Rape seed oil' prior to the nation of Canada trying figure out how to sell a non digestible oil with an unappealing name that they happened to have so much of.
Now, Monsanto has even come out with a GM Rape seed plant....horrors!

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Jupiter ~ have you ever been to italy?
they eat meat every day if the can. pasta is a side dish and their cheeses are typically low fat ~ mozz, pecorino, parm, romano and the like.
threy are so precise with how cows graze, the assign regions to them.
pasta is a side dish.
your pizza joke fell flat ~ pfglgggh
but they don't have the volume of processed meat that u.s. has, nor the industrialized equip in most regions to keep food and preserve them for weeks. most regions ~ agrarian or livestock ~ (though changing and growing) still employ many old world techniques and values.
anyway ~
The issue here is bizarre.
Red Meat Kills!
Human's have survived on red meat for centuries.
Only because of profit efficiency has the u.s. seen the worst in food production and handling, which this study wants to blame on red meat alone.
Fat steer pumped with steroids and hormones to weigh more, fed but not ranged, handed over to slaughterhouses that deal with a million cows a year, packaged, frozen and maybe even ground up with dirt and garbage, turned into "burgers", "steaks" and whatever ~
eating s*hit and not moving is what kills most of us.
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i can't help but feel that the conditions the animals lived in is reflected within their flesh. that's not too asinine, right?

you are born and branded. if you're unlucky enough to not be wanted for veal (in which they would place you in a cage not big enough to stand [so your muscles atrophy and you're more tender than a crooning frank sinatra] until you're ready for the chopper), you are forced into a building with thousands of others your type, typically without enough room to sit in your own excrement. you are forced-fed corn, which you are not meant to digest. you are pumped full of antibiotics to keep your living conditions from literally killing you. once you're ready for slaughter, you are cramped into a truck with your cohorts with no food or water, no matter the weather. if you refuse, you may be beaten or electrocuted to death. then you get to the slaughterhouse, and well, it's the most freedom you'll feel; somewhere new. that is, of course, before you suffer a typically inaccurate blow to the head meant to stun you, whipped up on a conveyor belt by your hind feet, and have your throat cut whether you're unconscious or not. your body is then mechanically and quickly skinned, gutted, and pulled into their "appropriate" pieces.

now. if we humans are willing to do this to our animal brethren, i don't think it's too daring to say that our collective guilt might be what's giving everyone butt cancer from meat.

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and sadly, most people never bother to ask...
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bravo.
really.
we are what we eat.
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etheriver, gourmets who hunt claim that they can taste the difference in the quality of the meat if the animal died instantly or was stressed and suffering prior to death.

Have you read any of the auto-biographical books by Temple Grandin? She is an autistic woman who really could feel with suffering animals. She became a professional designer of meat-packing houses that minimized the fear and stress of animals about to be slaughtered.

I would sure recommend that carnivores either buy organic meat from a known source, or purchase directly from small farmers in your local area who advertise meat for sale, probably in your local newspapers. These small operations can be visited and observed for humane treatment of animals.

Unfortunately most supermarket vegetables and fruits in the US come from agribusiness farms that rely on a lot of chemicals to create that perfect head of lettuce or apple, as well as badly-paid migrant farm labour. The chemicals run off into waterways, creating environmental problems. Although these days, a lot of produce comes from China, which has even worse regulation of food safety. If it comes from South America or South Africa, it has to travel thousands of miles by ship, and then languish in a warehouse before it shows up on your grocers' shelves. Pretty much all of it is picked green, so the nutritional content is really reduced.

There isn't much moral high ground in vegetarianism, either; especially not the ovo-lacto type for people who shop in supermarkets, I'm afraid.
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waybread, i haven't head of ms. grandin, but am certainly interested. almost excited, you might say ^^;
i've read (hearsay?) that heavy cap types are statistically more likely to pursue vegetarianism, and with my loaded cap sixth, i'm inclined to believe it.

organics aren't just a posh "name brand" for people with six figure incomes. fast and convenient (thereby dirt cheap and comprised halfway of starlink corn) "food" has utterly bastardised our concept of the actual price/value of food. think, 100 years ago, EVERYTHING was organic. within the timeframe of human existence, that's a drop in the bucket. we have almost no way of knowing what pesticides, fungicides, or god forbid GMOs will do to our bodies or the planet. there simply hasn't been enough time, though i fear we are beginning to see more than the tip of the iceberg...
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