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Greetings!

I looked for a thread on this subject, but I couldn't find one that was terribly recent, so I figured I'd make one.

For many, alcohol is seen as a nice way to relax and socialize. Be it at a wedding, on a date, or watching your favorite sport, You can always have your friend Bud or your best girl Ms. Miller there to cheer you on. For others, however, alcohol can certainly be classified as an addiction and a crutch.

Personally, I find myself in the latter category some times. W.C. Fields once said, If God had wanted us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs! That describes my day pretty well. I normally have some Irish Creme in my coffee when I wake up, a couple cocktails at lunch, some wine after dinner, and a nightcap shot before I retire. For many, especially my age, this would be considered completely impossible while functioning; but not for me.

When I started my dabbling in astrology, I wasn't exactly sure how it would suit me. I didn't see a lot of things in astrology that I could relate with. So, I decided to pick your expertise and ask some questions and discuss the relationship between alcohol and our aspects, signs, and charts.

Which signs are better off not drinking, for example? In my naivety, I figured water signs were more equipped to partake in the juice. But then, is it wise for someone so emotional to make themselves so vulnerable to alcoholic influences?

What effects does alcohol have on certain signs? How do these people react when under the influence? Feel free to share your own experiences, I'm genuinely curious; as a drinker, as a former bartender, and now as someone keen to astrology, I'm interested.

Can alcohol serve as a betterment or a hindrance to certain signs manifesting?

And perhaps most importantly, what's your favorite drink? Mine would have to be a sweet Rob Roy (Scotch Manhatten), straight up with dirty rocks to the side, and two cherries.

Cheers!
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Some think the sign on the 12th house cusp indicates how we behave when intoxicated. It works for me. I have Gemini on the 12th. I tend to be more chatty.
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Boston Guy, I drink my share. So this post is not coming from a teetotaler.

I also know what it is like to live with a normally wonderful guy who can turn into a horrifying binge-drinker.

Do you want to post your chart?

It looks like you have an alcohol dependency, if not alcoholism. There are ways to determine this. Namely, could you dry up for a month? A week? Without insatiable cravings for a drink? Just to show you could do it and are not an alcoholic? Has your drinking affected a close relationship with someone you love? Have you ever had black-out spells, where you don't remember the next day what happened the night before?

I won't get into the health issues: if people who care about you know about your habits, they've told you already.

There are no 100% hard-and-fast astrological signatures, but generally, people who develop alcohol dependency will have:

1. Neptune in a hard aspect (usually a square) to a personal planet (sun, moon, Mercury, Mars.) There is a sense of self-annihilation here. When it's "tough to be you," drinking smooths the hard edges. (Venus square Neptune is more the unrealistic idealist.)

2. Neptune in a hard aspect to Jupiter. This isn't quite so personal, but more the energy of, "If a little is good, a lot is better." Let's party.

3. More generally, a tough chart (probably Plutonian) that shows that someone's life journey is really through the sub-basement of life. Not pretty, but this is how some people incarnate. Drink or drugs provide a quick trip into the dark side that they feel compelled to experience.

4. Note that some people will not have these aspects in their horoscopes natally, but can develop them later in life through progressions and transits. (For example, my mother didn't drink much at all when I was growing up, but my sister and I are pretty convinced that she died an alcoholic.)

5. Pisces has a reputation for hitting the sauce, probably due to Neptune as the modern ruler of Pisces. I'm not sure this is accurate. It might be. Scorpio normally prizes its self-control, and Cancer really longs to merge with another person-- not live in Margaritaville.

To answer your questions:

Anyone who is susceptible to influences 1-4 should lay off the sauce. Such people, incidentally, are also vulnerable to drugs. Moreover, Neptune has some positive uses, like a rich imagination, that they won't develop so long as the Big Buzz is their default position.

I just cringe at the pop-schlock sun-sign astrology that imagines people's lives can be reduced to a sun-sign. Once you get into astrology, you see how complex a horoscope can be. As is every human life.

I can't imagine any sun-sign or horoscope getting better under heavy drinking. But that's the myth, isn't it?? Under the influence, women are less inhibited, men are more courageous, parties are more fun, and so on. Well, maybe. If you've never loved a binge drinker screaming at you about how you've ruined his life and he's going to drive the car off the bridge, count yourself lucky.

My favourite drinks? Oh, lordy. It depends on the food, the occasion, who I'm with, and so on.

1. First night out on a camping trip: dry champagne surrogates: cava or sekt.

2. Wine: probably an old vine Zinfandel or a New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc, depending on the food. A Gewürztraminer or Riesling with Thanksgiving turkey or German-type food. Decant the reds for a few hours. Any wine is better in crystal glasses, but inexpensive crystal stemware is fine.

3. Beer. Actually I'd prefer a natural (not nasty-sweetend) cider without additives. I'm OK with most beer types except IPA. Too bitter. Would normally ask what's local, or for an amber.

4. Cocktails: all are mightily chilled in a cocktail shaker, taken off the ice ASAP. Depending on the weather:

a. classic dry vodka Martini, straight up, with a green pimento-stuffed olive.

b. Manhattan: rye or mid-grade bourbon like Jack Daniels, sweet vermouth straight up, preferably with a "natural" (undyed) maraschino cherry.

c. Bronx: gin, dry and sweet vermouth, freshly squeezed OJ, orange twist, dash of orange bitters.

d. Cin-Cin: equal parts of dry and sweet vermouth, slice of lemon. (This one on the rocks, normally.)
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If you prefer a sweet drink, I'd suggest an Old Fashioned or Negroni, but you know booze better than I do.
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Boston Guy, I drink my share. So this post is not coming from a teetotaler.

I also know what it is like to live with a normally wonderful guy who can turn into a horrifying binge-drinker.

Do you want to post your chart?
Sure thing! See it below.

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It looks like you have an alcohol dependency, if not alcoholism. There are ways to determine this. Namely, could you dry up for a month? A week? Without insatiable cravings for a drink? Just to show you could do it and are not an alcoholic? Has your drinking affected a close relationship with someone you love? Have you ever had black-out spells, where you don't remember the next day what happened the night before?
I've gone weeks without drinking, sure, though I can't recall going for months without a drink since I started. I've said it on a different thread but I'm in the Army National Guard; naturally, with this obligation I can't stick to my regimen of creature comfort all the time. The last time I took a prolonged period of sobriety was when I did a 2 month stint in a different state. Still, I was able to bar crawl every now and then with the guys but that was seldom found.

My drinking hasn't really affected my relationships, of course I've lashed out a couple times, and when I do that I tend to punish myself with alcohol deprivation for a few days. Regarding blackouts, sure, I've had them. Though they mostly happened in the beginning. Since I started to leave the beer alone and stick with the hard stuff, measuring it out throughout the day, I've been okay. I drink just enough to get me feeling alright, and then one more.

The worst part about my drinking is my aversion to sleep, food, and water. I hate going to sleep. Since I started drinking regularly, which was when I was about 18 (I hid it pretty well, my parents didn't really catch on), I typically only sleep for about five hours each night. Breakfast is a dirty word in my mind. And water is just an ingredient of beer to me. Very complicated.

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I won't get into the health issues: if people who care about you know about your habits, they've told you already.
That's just the thing. They don't seem to notice all the time. I keep a pretty good wrap on it. I get good marks in college, make decent money, they figure How could an alcoholic be able to do that? Guess he isn't one. But not all alcoholics are found in the gutter in the morning.

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To answer your questions:

Anyone who is susceptible to influences 1-4 should lay off the sauce. Such people, incidentally, are also vulnerable to drugs. Moreover, Neptune has some positive uses, like a rich imagination, that they won't develop so long as the Big Buzz is their default position.

I just cringe at the pop-schlock sun-sign astrology that imagines people's lives can be reduced to a sun-sign. Once you get into astrology, you see how complex a horoscope can be. As is every human life.

I can't imagine any sun-sign or horoscope getting better under heavy drinking. But that's the myth, isn't it?? Under the influence, women are less inhibited, men are more courageous, parties are more fun, and so on. Well, maybe. If you've never loved a binge drinker screaming at you about how you've ruined his life and he's going to drive the car off the bridge, count yourself lucky.
That last part hit me a bit hard, I must say. If I ever turned into such a thing I'd hate myself too. In my mind, since I'm successful when I drink, I might be doing something right, you know? I am not only successful, but I'm able to enjoy my success even better! Great! But the people I love know by now, whether drinking or not, when to test me and when not to. I can be your best friend, or the worst thing in your life, with me there isn't often a middle ground. Thankfully that darker side keeps itself away usually.

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Excellent taste all the way around! I actually just polished off a bottle of Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand last night, it was excellent, it was called Sunday Bay, I recommend.

I thank you for your response. Reading it was really insightful and a bit poignant. I don't regret my drinking, but I'm certainly cautious, if not a bit nervous, of how I might handle it in the future. I'm sure I'll manage.

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1. Neptune in a hard aspect (usually a square) to a personal planet (sun, moon, Mercury, Mars.) There is a sense of self-annihilation here. When it's "tough to be you," drinking smooths the hard edges. (Venus square Neptune is more the unrealistic idealist.)

2. Neptune in a hard aspect to Jupiter. This isn't quite so personal, but more the energy of, "If a little is good, a lot is better." Let's party.

3. More generally, a tough chart (probably Plutonian) that shows that someone's life journey is really through the sub-basement of life. Not pretty, but this is how some people incarnate. Drink or drugs provide a quick trip into the dark side that they feel compelled to experience.
I have factors 1 and 3: Neptune in a tight square to Venus and less tight (3 degrees orb) square to Mercury. And the eighth, fourth, and twelfth house emphasized, through sun and greatest planetary placement in the eighth, and a grand trine involving sun (H8), moon (H12, loosely conjunct Neptune) and Jupiter/Chiron (on the IC). Probably enough to count as the sub-basement of life, especially with Jupiter also being involved in a tight, angular t-square of slow moving planets, which won't resolve by progression in my lifetime.

However, I am a light to moderate drinker, and never did more than dip a toe into drug experimentation. I have found that I'm more likely to drink if I'm socializing with people who drink more, or if I'm feeling uncomfortable with myself. If I were going to develop alcohol dependence, discomfort with self would be behind it.

I have, on a couple of occasions in my life, decided to abstain from alcohol for a month or two in order to ensure that I didn't develop dependence, but that's not the same thing as actually being alcohol dependent. I've never wanted to drink early in the day or on an empty stomach--I have reactive hypoglycemia, and that would really mess me up.

Perhaps because my chart is lighter on the alcohol dependence risk factors, I've managed not to go down that road. And, perhaps because I've done some serious healing work around sense of self.
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Greetings!

I looked for a thread on this subject, but I couldn't find one that was terribly recent, so I figured I'd make one.

For many, alcohol is seen as a nice way to relax and socialize. Be it at a wedding, on a date, or watching your favorite sport, You can always have your friend Bud or your best girl Ms. Miller there to cheer you on. For others, however, alcohol can certainly be classified as an addiction and a crutch.

Personally, I find myself in the latter category some times. W.C. Fields once said, If God had wanted us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs! That describes my day pretty well. I normally have some Irish Creme in my coffee when I wake up, a couple cocktails at lunch, some wine after dinner, and a nightcap shot before I retire. For many, especially my age, this would be considered completely impossible while functioning; but not for me.

When I started my dabbling in astrology, I wasn't exactly sure how it would suit me. I didn't see a lot of things in astrology that I could relate with. So, I decided to pick your expertise and ask some questions and discuss the relationship between alcohol and our aspects, signs, and charts.

Which signs are better off not drinking, for example? In my naivety, I figured water signs were more equipped to partake in the juice. But then, is it wise for someone so emotional to make themselves so vulnerable to alcoholic influences?

What effects does alcohol have on certain signs? How do these people react when under the influence? Feel free to share your own experiences, I'm genuinely curious; as a drinker, as a former bartender, and now as someone keen to astrology, I'm interested.

Can alcohol serve as a betterment or a hindrance to certain signs manifesting?

And perhaps most importantly, what's your favorite drink? Mine would have to be a sweet Rob Roy (Scotch Manhatten), straight up with dirty rocks to the side, and two cherries.

Cheers!
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Boston Guy, I drink my share. So this post is not coming from a teetotaler.

I also know what it is like to live with a normally wonderful guy who can turn into a horrifying binge-drinker.

Do you want to post your chart?

It looks like you have an alcohol dependency, if not alcoholism. There are ways to determine this. Namely, could you dry up for a month? A week? Without insatiable cravings for a drink? Just to show you could do it and are not an alcoholic? Has your drinking affected a close relationship with someone you love? Have you ever had black-out spells, where you don't remember the next day what happened the night before?

I won't get into the health issues: if people who care about you know about your habits, they've told you already.

There are no 100% hard-and-fast astrological signatures, but generally, people who develop alcohol dependency will have:

1. Neptune in a hard aspect (usually a square) to a personal planet (sun, moon, Mercury, Mars.) There is a sense of self-annihilation here. When it's "tough to be you," drinking smooths the hard edges. (Venus square Neptune is more the unrealistic idealist.)

2. Neptune in a hard aspect to Jupiter. This isn't quite so personal, but more the energy of, "If a little is good, a lot is better." Let's party.

3. More generally, a tough chart (probably Plutonian) that shows that someone's life journey is really through the sub-basement of life. Not pretty, but this is how some people incarnate. Drink or drugs provide a quick trip into the dark side that they feel compelled to experience.

4. Note that some people will not have these aspects in their horoscopes natally, but can develop them later in life through progressions and transits. (For example, my mother didn't drink much at all when I was growing up, but my sister and I are pretty convinced that she died an alcoholic.)

5. Pisces has a reputation for hitting the sauce, probably due to Neptune as the modern ruler of Pisces. I'm not sure this is accurate. It might be. Scorpio normally prizes its self-control, and Cancer really longs to merge with another person-- not live in Margaritaville.

To answer your questions:

Anyone who is susceptible to influences 1-4 should lay off the sauce. Such people, incidentally, are also vulnerable to drugs. Moreover, Neptune has some positive uses, like a rich imagination, that they won't develop so long as the Big Buzz is their default position.

I just cringe at the pop-schlock sun-sign astrology that imagines people's lives can be reduced to a sun-sign. Once you get into astrology, you see how complex a horoscope can be. As is every human life.

I can't imagine any sun-sign or horoscope getting better under heavy drinking. But that's the myth, isn't it?? Under the influence, women are less inhibited, men are more courageous, parties are more fun, and so on. Well, maybe. If you've never loved a binge drinker screaming at you about how you've ruined his life and he's going to drive the car off the bridge, count yourself lucky.

My favourite drinks? Oh, lordy. It depends on the food, the occasion, who I'm with, and so on.

1. First night out on a camping trip: dry champagne surrogates: cava or sekt.

2. Wine: probably an old vine Zinfandel or a New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc, depending on the food. A Gewürztraminer or Riesling with Thanksgiving turkey or German-type food. Decant the reds for a few hours. Any wine is better in crystal glasses, but inexpensive crystal stemware is fine.

3. Beer. Actually I'd prefer a natural (not nasty-sweetend) cider without additives. I'm OK with most beer types except IPA. Too bitter. Would normally ask what's local, or for an amber.

4. Cocktails: all are mightily chilled in a cocktail shaker, taken off the ice ASAP. Depending on the weather:

a. classic dry vodka Martini, straight up, with a green pimento-stuffed olive.

b. Manhattan: rye or mid-grade bourbon like Jack Daniels, sweet vermouth straight up, preferably with a "natural" (undyed) maraschino cherry.

c. Bronx: gin, dry and sweet vermouth, freshly squeezed OJ, orange twist, dash of orange bitters.

d. Cin-Cin: equal parts of dry and sweet vermouth, slice of lemon. (This one on the rocks, normally.)
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Ascendant ruler in 8th
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with self destructive behavior
self-destructive behavior includes alcoholism.
clearly however
not all alcoholics/self destructive people have ascendant ruler in 8th
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Jupiter rules grapes, wine and alcohol in general. The position of Jupiter in the natal chart can indicate if the native will be a drinker or alcoholic. We always have to have the chart. If Jupiter is strong by house and sign but seriously afflicted by Saturn and under the beams of the Sun, the native may have an alcohol addiction problem. However, other aspects can mitigate this.

The local culture has to be considered. Back in the day when I was studying in the far east, I learned the safety of alcohol. The water could kill you or make you very ill. It was always advisable to drink something alcoholic with anything. In Japan alcohol was subsidized and very inexpensive, and the Japanese were heavy drinkers in general and live longer than Americans. But be careful, in the U.S. quite a few of my friends and acquaintances have died in alcohol related accidents.
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Probably a large bucket of margaritas. Also, I don’t think it’s good to drink everyday.
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It is an interesting topic as a few things in my chart indicate I am susceptible to addiction, since this thread is about alcohol I will focus on that. I am Pisces rising with my Sun (Libra) squared by Neptune, Jupiter (Pisces) in 12th (Aquarius cusp) squared by Uranus; I am also an escapist in nature, always bury my head into the sand.

Yet for some reasons me and alcohol just don't get along (apart from it gives me rashes) and no one can say I didn't give it a try. My family introduced me to wine when I was a child and the taste of it literally reminded me of gasoline, and it's not only wine, it's all kinds of alcohol. The first time I drank vodka (around 12 in a friend's home), the moment it hit my tastebuds I almost spit it right out, while that girlfriend told me "It tastes like water". During teenage, due to peer pressure I was forced to drink a lot (tequila, gin and tonic, whiskey, vodka with redbull, rum and coke etc), we drank for a hard breakup, for finishing an exma, failing an exam, passing an exam, for parties, for birthdays, for holidays, for hookups etc, and the more I drank the more it became repulsive, literally. My body just seemed to know its limits, before I got a chance to get really drank, I threw up, and just like that I was back to sober with a bad taste in my mouth. Anyway I never got drank mentally, sure I might walk funny but I always knew what I was doing and remembered everything. Then for a long time alcohol didn't cross my mind until I was going through a dark period. The funny thing is my aim was to be addicted, I wanted to let go of myself so much that I fully expected alcohol to waste my life away, but it just didn't work. There was a lack of attraction for me to pick the bottle up and if I did the process wasn't enjoyable and more often than not it nauseated me. You would think me joking but looking back it was akin to killing myself by eating parsley (or whatever food you hate).

My favourite drink is sprinking water (okay I will see myself out). No for real it would probably be guinness (half pint).

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Boston Guy, I just saw your chart on Aquarius7000's thread about ascendants. As per my post, above, you do have a moon-Neptune square; and darn near a Thor's hammer involving Neptune-Uranus, Mercury-Venus, and Mars.

Please look after your health, hey?
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Boston Guy, I just saw your chart on Aquarius7000's thread about ascendants. As per my post, above, you do have a moon-Neptune square; and darn near a Thor's hammer involving Neptune-Uranus, Mercury-Venus, and Mars.

Please look after your health, hey?
You don't need to worry about me. I'll make out alright! Thanks for the concern, but fortune favors the bold!

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It also favours people who get their liver and pancreas functions checked out periodically.

BTW, my toast to my husband is, "To your happiness." And to yours
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Greetings!

I looked for a thread on this subject, but I couldn't find one that was terribly recent, so I figured I'd make one.

For many, alcohol is seen as a nice way to relax and socialize. Be it at a wedding, on a date, or watching your favorite sport, You can always have your friend Bud or your best girl Ms. Miller there to cheer you on. For others, however, alcohol can certainly be classified as an addiction and a crutch.

Personally, I find myself in the latter category some times. W.C. Fields once said, If God had wanted us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs! That describes my day pretty well. I normally have some Irish Creme in my coffee when I wake up, a couple cocktails at lunch, some wine after dinner, and a nightcap shot before I retire. For many, especially my age, this would be considered completely impossible while functioning; but not for me.

When I started my dabbling in astrology, I wasn't exactly sure how it would suit me. I didn't see a lot of things in astrology that I could relate with. So, I decided to pick your expertise and ask some questions and discuss the relationship between alcohol and our aspects, signs, and charts.

Which signs are better off not drinking, for example? In my naivety, I figured water signs were more equipped to partake in the juice. But then, is it wise for someone so emotional to make themselves so vulnerable to alcoholic influences?

What effects does alcohol have on certain signs? How do these people react when under the influence? Feel free to share your own experiences, I'm genuinely curious; as a drinker, as a former bartender, and now as someone keen to astrology, I'm interested.

Can alcohol serve as a betterment or a hindrance to certain signs manifesting?

And perhaps most importantly, what's your favorite drink? Mine would have to be a sweet Rob Roy (Scotch Manhatten), straight up with dirty rocks to the side, and two cherries.

Cheers!

I am extremely afraid of drinking and also can’t handle it. If there’s one person in the world that couldn’t metabolise alcohol and couldn’t actually feel better or relaxed after drinking or could become an alcoholic, it would be me. Not a chance. Ever. By a far margin. I can work for a scotch brewery in Scotland and not touch the stuff ever. That’s how uninterested I am. I have neptune in the 5th. Has many good aspects. Cusp of 5th is sag. I would have thought I’d be really into drinking. But I also read if one is born w serious predisposition to become an alco ( like me) the person May become extremely against it unconsciously. Could be my psychic intuitions or other chart related aspects or degrees that’s helping me here. Not sure. My moon is fused w Pluto on IC. I am typically very psychic and my intuitions are unlike anyone I know. I also hate losing control to anything. Be it people or substances. Never even touched drugs. Not even pot. Zero interest. I actually don’t understand why people do it. I’m very thick about it. Could be my very low water ? My chart is 7% water. But that moon/Pluto compensates all the water there’s and that’s not measured as a part of 4 elements.
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Re: Alcohol and Our Charts

Neptune is the modern ruler of alcohol, the moon is the traditional ruler.
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