End of life Progression

Tora

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What sort of progressed aspects are seeing at the end of one's life? Could it be Moon move into 8th (death & rebirth) or 12th H (hospital, undoing) or even conjunct 4th H (end of life) or moon conj. SN? I am only guessing here.

I'm only mentioning Moon because other planets like Saturn (hardship, death) hardly move though the theme is appropriate. I think tr Pluto in 1st H or tr Saturn in 1st H could be a good indication since it indicates body aging as well as 6th H which indicates hardship with illness.

Baring in mind, not all death are due to illness. It could be an accident or even suicide.
 
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greybeard

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Your last sentence ...

John was 83. He loved life. One day a month or two ago he took his boat to the lake and went fishing. He was wearing a life jacket. And drowned.

On the same day Darrel, who was also 83, missed his beloved wife who had died a few months ago. Darrel called our undertaker and said, "Mike, you better come get me. I'm at my wife's grave." He really missed her.
 

Osamenor

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What sort of progressed aspects are seeing at the end of one's life? Could it be Moon move into 8th (death & rebirth) or 12th H (hospital, undoing) or even conjunct 4th H (end of life) or moon conj. SN? I am only guessing here.

I'm only mentioning Moon because other planets like Saturn (hardship, death) hardly move though the theme is appropriate. I think tr Pluto in 1st H or tr Saturn in 1st H could be a good indication since it indicates body aging as well as 6th H which indicates hardship with illness.

Baring in mind, not all death are due to illness. It could be an accident or even suicide.

Any of those things could be happening, but keep in mind that all Saturn transits and progressed Moon transits happen two or three times in an average lifetime. Even if one of those transits is happening at death, if the native is over the age of 28 - 30, they've had that same transit before without dying. If they're over the age of 56 - 57, they've had that same transit twice before without dying.

As for Pluto, its transit of the zodiac takes 248 years. Consequently, nobody has Pluto transit their entire chart during their lifetime. Some people never see Pluto in their first house at all. Others might have Pluto transiting the first at a very young age--and still live to get old.
 

Osamenor

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Your last sentence ...

John was 83. He loved life. One day a month or two ago he took his boat to the lake and went fishing. He was wearing a life jacket. And drowned.

On the same day Darrel, who was also 83, missed his beloved wife who had died a few months ago. Darrel called our undertaker and said, "Mike, you better come get me. I'm at my wife's grave." He really missed her.

I would like to know what transits were happening for my grandfather when he was 29 - 30 and again when he was 50. "John's" story is similar enough to his, but in my grandfather's case, there's a twist....

In his late twenties to early thirties, my grandfather served in the Navy. WW II was on. In 1943 (three months short of his thirtieth birthday), he was one of a small number of survivors of a ship that got torpedoed. Most of the others on board drowned.

Twenty years plus 7 months later, my grandfather died by drowning, in a freak boating accident.

My thought is that if death is narrowly averted and then happens years later in a similar way, there's some astrological transit coming back. Twenty years isn't a Saturn cycle, though.

I know my grandfather's birthdate, but not time of birth, and there are no records available, so house transits wouldn't be traceable.
 

petosiris

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I would like to know what transits were happening for my grandfather when he was 29 - 30 and again when he was 50. "John's" story is similar enough to his, but in my grandfather's case, there's a twist....

In his late twenties to early thirties, my grandfather served in the Navy. WW II was on. In 1943 (three months short of his thirtieth birthday), he was one of a small number of survivors of a ship that got torpedoed. Most of the others on board drowned.

Twenty years plus 7 months later, my grandfather died by drowning, in a freak boating accident.

My thought is that if death is narrowly averted and then happens years later in a similar way, there's some astrological transit coming back. Twenty years isn't a Saturn cycle, though.

I know my grandfather's birthdate, but not time of birth, and there are no records available, so house transits wouldn't be traceable.

In Hellenistic astrology there was a very popular length of life (but it had other general uses) technique that was based on ascensional times, where the Predominator (or Releaser) reaching the squares and oppositions of the luminaries or malefics signifies health crisis, danger or death. It has more similarities with modern solar arcs than primary directions, but it is based on the rising times of the location of the nativity.

The Sun is predominator by day unless in cadent place, and by night if it is not cadent while the Moon is cadent. If it was the releaser, and it reached a malefic that coincides with your period, it could help with rectification since the Sun travels around a degree throughout the day. If it was the Moon, you could still try different hours throughout the day with the same technique, but it would not be of much help if the Sun and the Moon both happened to be declining at the nativity of your grandfather (which can happen only near New, Quarter and Full Moon), since all 360 degrees would be possible as releasing points.
 
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Osamenor

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In Hellenistic astrology there was a very popular length of life (but it had other general uses) technique that was based on ascensional times, where the Predominator (or Releaser) reaching the squares and oppositions of the luminaries or malefics signifies health crisis, danger or death. It has more similarities with modern solar arcs than primary directions, but it is based on the rising times of the location of the nativity.

The Sun is predominator by day unless in cadent place, and by night if it is not cadent while the Moon is cadent. If it was the releaser, and it reached a malefic that coincides with your period, it could help with rectification since the Sun travels around a degree throughout the day. If it was the Moon, you could still try different hours throughout the day with the same technique, but it would not be of much help if the Sun and the Moon both happened to be declining at the nativity of your grandfather (which can happen only near New, Quarter and Full Moon), since all 360 degrees would be possible as releasing points.

Interesting.

On the date of my grandfather's birth, the moon made a waning trine to the sun. So not new, quarter, or full. Curiously, it's an echo of my birth chart: I have a waxing moon/sun trine, same signs, but my sun and moon placements are the reverse of my grandfather's.

Rectification, though, would take some serious record digging. I never knew my grandfather--I wasn't born until 11 years after he died--and I no longer have any living relatives from his generation. Most of what I know about my grandfather's life came from my father, who only knew him from the perspective of a son, with a few more details filled in by a great-aunt (now deceased). I don't know much about his life events or when they took place, aside from the spectacular ones that made stories to pass down, like the near drowning and eventual drowning.
 

petosiris

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Interesting.

On the date of my grandfather's birth, the moon made a waning trine to the sun. So not new, quarter, or full. Curiously, it's an echo of my birth chart: I have a waxing moon/sun trine, same signs, but my sun and moon placements are the reverse of my grandfather's.

Rectification, though, would take some serious record digging. I never knew my grandfather--I wasn't born until 11 years after he died--and I no longer have any living relatives from his generation. Most of what I know about my grandfather's life came from my father, who only knew him from the perspective of a son, with a few more details filled in by a great-aunt (now deceased). I don't know much about his life events or when they took place, aside from the spectacular ones that made stories to pass down, like the near drowning and eventual drowning.

Would it be possible if you shared the date and location of his birth? I am interested in the chart even because of those 2 events.

My grandfather through my father line also served in the army for many decades, before that he played a role in a socialist uprising, I don't have the date at the moment, but interestingly my father (I have his time) has Moon waning trine Sun within 3 degrees and Sun trine Mars within 12 (sign aspect). The Sun is also in the term of Mars, the dodekatemorion falls in the Mars term of Scorpio.
 

Osamenor

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Would it be possible if you shared the date and location of his birth? I am interested in the chart even because of those 2 events.

Only privately. I can't, after all, get my grandfather's consent to publicly post his birth information, and that's the forum rule. I suppose it doesn't really matter if the native is dead, but depending on what details emerge in the conversation, it might reveal more about my family than some living relatives might want to make public.

I also realize, now that you mention it, that I'm not 100% sure of his birthplace. I think it was the city where his family lived during his childhood, and where he is now buried, but I don't know for absolute certain that he was born there. They had another home at the time of his birth (old family land), but my understanding is they only went there in the summer, and he was born in the winter. I could try to work that into a conversation with my dad--he would know if anyone does. If my grandfather was not born in that city, he was born somewhere close, I am sure of that. Probably not far enough to create a noticeably different birth chart.
 

petosiris

Banned
Only privately. I can't, after all, get my grandfather's consent to publicly post his birth information, and that's the forum rule. I suppose it doesn't really matter if the native is dead, but depending on what details emerge in the conversation, it might reveal more about my family than some living relatives might want to make public.

I also realize, now that you mention it, that I'm not 100% sure of his birthplace. I think it was the city where his family lived during his childhood, and where he is now buried, but I don't know for absolute certain that he was born there. They had another home at the time of his birth (old family land), but my understanding is they only went there in the summer, and he was born in the winter. I could try to work that into a conversation with my dad--he would know if anyone does. If my grandfather was not born in that city, he was born somewhere close, I am sure of that. Probably not far enough to create a noticeably different birth chart.

Exact place is not that important, just some close city, also I would understand if you choose not to share that information. If you are looking for information on this traditional method, you can always personal message me.
 
Travis Alexander had progressed Jupiter conjunct his progressed 4th house cusp, Jupiter being ruler of his natal 8th house Sagittarius, this is no Bueno, but don't take my word for it, check into this.

That thing with Jupiter may have been bad enough but additionally, or maybe not additionally but another indicator simultaneously supporting the Jupiter thing, nataly he had Sun square Chiron which was conjunct his ascendant, this was the strongest aspect in his whole chart, the orbs for his chart could be reduced to 1% and this aspect still persisted while all else disappeared.

That natal Sun/Chiron thing was no bueno either, this aspect was rejuvenated in his progressed chart, the Sun had moved into a trine with Chiron.

I did a video about Jodi Arias charts part 1), I'm intending to do the one about Travis part 2) but haven't finalized it yet, some very interesting astrology going on with these two.
 

RubyTuesday

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I've read in a few places that death only shows up in the charts of those who truly love you and that, while we can trace major events, death typically isn't one of those because it doesn't pertain to life. You only die physically not spiritually. So, that kind of resonates with me. It's the people who are still living through that event that experience the effects of your death. You're already dead. lol
 
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