piercethevale
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Greetings. I've been trying to tackle Robert Zoeller's book on Arabic Parts again and today I found that the formula Asc. + C12 - R12 is actually a Hermetic Lot of Secret Enemies.
I knew it to be called the Part of but hadn't known until today that it is a "Lot" according to Hermes [attributed to Bonatti].
Zoeller's book also identifies Asc. + Mars - Saturn as a Part of Secret Enemies and says that Bonatti wrote that Albumassur said that both Parts should be used and that if they are both in opposition or in square aspect to the Lords of their houses [signs] then the querent will have many enemies. However if they are both free from their Lord and from the Lord of the Asc., one will have enemies for a reason ["he will have enemies for a reason" non habebit inimicos de levi]. Zoeller's book goes on to state; "The same thing happens in revolutions because if they are easily disposed, as had been said, men will make enemies of each other in that revolution."
I'm working with the Hermetic Lot in this thread and am trying to get to the 'bottom of it' so to speak, thus I'm using the chart I propose is that of Yeshu'a of Nazareth as a 'Template' of understanding.
For that chart it comes to 02* Aquarius 51' and that is according to the Sabian symbols [Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala"]
AQUARIUS 3° "A DESERTER FROM THE NAVY.
KEYNOTE: The individual's self-realization through a crucial repudiation of a collective status which has become unbearable.
This symbol... is one implying an irrevocable change of status. Man refuses to accept the type of cultural patterns derived from his society's specific approach to local circumstances and to the universe as a whole, and in another sense, from its particular relationship to the all-human collective Unconscious. ... He not only refuses to obey orders, he deliberately turns his back on his collective social status; he becomes an outcast...
a sharp renunciation of his social birthright [that is] by a crucial process of DESOCIALIZATION."
I thought about this a bit and realized that it was just these kind of individuals, the malcontents, the 'rabble rousers' that Yeshu'a didn't need 'hanging around' with Him and His true believers. These were the folks that, if there was enough of them, would give his mission, in His life purpose, a reason to be taken the wrong way. It would've given the authorities exactly the reason to 'shut His show down pronto'.
I knew it to be called the Part of but hadn't known until today that it is a "Lot" according to Hermes [attributed to Bonatti].
Zoeller's book also identifies Asc. + Mars - Saturn as a Part of Secret Enemies and says that Bonatti wrote that Albumassur said that both Parts should be used and that if they are both in opposition or in square aspect to the Lords of their houses [signs] then the querent will have many enemies. However if they are both free from their Lord and from the Lord of the Asc., one will have enemies for a reason ["he will have enemies for a reason" non habebit inimicos de levi]. Zoeller's book goes on to state; "The same thing happens in revolutions because if they are easily disposed, as had been said, men will make enemies of each other in that revolution."
I'm working with the Hermetic Lot in this thread and am trying to get to the 'bottom of it' so to speak, thus I'm using the chart I propose is that of Yeshu'a of Nazareth as a 'Template' of understanding.
For that chart it comes to 02* Aquarius 51' and that is according to the Sabian symbols [Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala"]
AQUARIUS 3° "A DESERTER FROM THE NAVY.
KEYNOTE: The individual's self-realization through a crucial repudiation of a collective status which has become unbearable.
This symbol... is one implying an irrevocable change of status. Man refuses to accept the type of cultural patterns derived from his society's specific approach to local circumstances and to the universe as a whole, and in another sense, from its particular relationship to the all-human collective Unconscious. ... He not only refuses to obey orders, he deliberately turns his back on his collective social status; he becomes an outcast...
a sharp renunciation of his social birthright [that is] by a crucial process of DESOCIALIZATION."
I thought about this a bit and realized that it was just these kind of individuals, the malcontents, the 'rabble rousers' that Yeshu'a didn't need 'hanging around' with Him and His true believers. These were the folks that, if there was enough of them, would give his mission, in His life purpose, a reason to be taken the wrong way. It would've given the authorities exactly the reason to 'shut His show down pronto'.
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