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Unread 09-20-2008, 11:42 PM
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NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

About 10 years ago, I moved to a completely new location without checking AstroCartography. During those years that I lived there, I made absolutely no friends and even made enemies.

Of course, for someone else, that city would be wonderfully nice (it was a beautiful city -- but everyone seemed so close minded! -- from my point of view). Examples included: I have refined tastes in food/education/manners/shopping... you name it. Everyone I met preferred the exact opposite. Not only did they prefer the exact opposite, but my tastes seemed to cause problems/elicit comments.

If someone found out that I ate at an ethnic restaurant, someone made rude comments about it. I learned to hide my shopping bags from others because my more expensive tastes always seemed to get on someone else's nerves. This crept into every part of my life. Every choice I made irked everyone else. Eventually, I learned to be ashamed about my tastes because it seemed as if I was the only person in the world with my tastes.

At the end of the those years, my viewpoint of the world had been "stunted" by my experiences. Finally, to avoid confrontations, I began lying to others if the topic of shopping/dining (or anything) was mentioned.

After moving away to a new city, I have met hundreds of other people with similar tastes in everything.... and am back to normally enjoying life.

After looking at AstroCartography, I just noticed that I had been living under a "PLUTO ASC /SATURN ASC CROSSING."

No wonder I was so unhappy!!! LOL

I didn't realize the crossings were so strong. There were plenty of nice aspects for that city (sun sextile MC) and (uranus trine MC)... but I think the crossing colored my experience of that city the most.

I have no intentions of ever returning to that city again =P.

WATCH OUT FOR THOSE CROSSINGS!!!!


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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

i know im late but wow rain, that is so interesting.
makes sense!
i think i'm going to avoid living in any places with any contact to saturn, pluto, and even mars lines haha
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

wow tora,
didnt know it applied to short term travel as well..interesting...did you go by a software program you have or is the travelers horoscope on astro.com pretty accurate?
i wanna visit asia but the city i want to go to has a mars/dc like crossing directly over it..i'll probably still go though haha and argue with everyone jk
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

LOL! Turns out out have been living under the Saturn AS line for the last 14 years and it really stinks! No local friends, the food is poisonous and shopping is no good. But I do not hide my shopping bags, I proudly show them to everyone.

The astro.com Astro Click Travel should be okay. You can double-check it using their Relocation Chart in the Extended Charts section. If they are not off by an hour in both places due some daylight savings time then it should be accurate.
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OMG! This is not anywhere in my natal chart, but this is so true! I wonder if I have grown up already and can leave that Saturn AS location?

"In these regions of the Earth, you learn to rely on yourself. Your freedom of action is limited to quite a narrow area. You retreat from the company of people, and they might get the impression that you are distant or standoffish. You react with reserve and scepticism to any encouraging suggestions made by your contemporaries. It may even become cynical, and it may appear as though you derive some secret pleasure from sharing such dark and negative thoughts.

Your moodiness comes from a deep sense of frustration, but in reality it expresses fears and doubts that you do not want to admit to having. But you cannot avoid reality. In this place you have the chance to deal with your feelings of inadequacy and to find out which ones are still necessary and which ones are no longer useful. A stay along this line becomes a test of your personal integrity, maturity and credibility.

If you decide on a time of introspection to gain new insights into important areas of your life, then the special energy of these places can produce satisfactory results. A time of fasting, a longer and solitary stay in the mountains but also entering a monastery or ashram can produce positive results."

The good part is that here I have Mars sextile my AS and there are some interesting things happening with my MC, such as that same Saturn trines MC, Neptune squares MC, North Node sextiles MC, and Part of Fortune conj MC very tightly.
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Good advice!
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

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wow tora,
didnt know it applied to short term travel as well..interesting...did you go by a software program you have or is the travelers horoscope on astro.com pretty accurate?
i wanna visit asia but the city i want to go to has a mars/dc like crossing directly over it..i'll probably still go though haha and argue with everyone jk
Have you tried the astrocartography on astro.com, go to free horoscopes, then look to right. Astrocartography works and there is forum on AW that covers this and on astro.com on interactive, travel they offer astrocartography/world maps, which has its place and explains which planets rules lat and long where you relocate to and how this will affect you in this location. It is my personal opinion that relocated ‘birth charts’ don’t work, there are plenty of other techniques available.

Have just realised where the confusion may be on astro.com to get a solar return for a new location, you have to find the option to use a relocated chart, which does mean changing location from where natally you were born to where you are living now. This is just so you can get a relocated solar return only.....

Relocated birth charts are more or less astrocartography, whereby all your natal planets are stretched out over the globe and uses lat and long to discover best place to live. Apparently relocated birth charts does something similar (but not as widely used or known as astrocartography) whereby especially over the Angles could bring a planet out of 12, 3 6 or 9th to become much more active
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

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LOL! Turns out out have been living under the Saturn AS line for the last 14 years and it really stinks! No local friends, the food is poisonous and shopping is no good. But I do not hide my shopping bags, I proudly show them to everyone.
aww that sounds terrible! you should def consider moving once you get the chance, i think i wil too
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Just for fun and experience, why don't you just move to Venus or Jupiter line country and see what happens? If you don't have much friends where you are, can't be all that traumatic, plus, we are still going to be here for you at astrologyweekly forum.

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lol i agree, then after you move to a jup or ven location report back here and tell us what changed
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, why shouldn't it work for short term travel? I was only there for a half day or day the most. This goes back many years ago but Russia was about seeing poverty.... couldn't even make an international call from a hotel I was put in, food was like and toilet paper which was like grease paper. Sorry if any Russian people reading this but I'm sure things must have changed since then. Also I nearly got kidnapped or may be sold (?) in Taiwan Not intending to go back there in a hurry if I can help it.

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i just thought it would take time for the negativity to manifest with these lines and dint think something like a 2 week long trip was long enough to feel such negaive effects but i will take ur word for it! definitely nto risking it!!!

taiwan was located near one of your saturn lines? now thats some scary stuff!!!!!!!!
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...and toilet paper which was like grease paper...
Hey, say thank you that there *was* toilet paper there. I was in Cuba this summer and sometimes there was no TP for my...
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Just for fun and experience, why don't you just move to Venus or Jupiter line country and see what happens? If you don't have much friends where you are, can't be all that traumatic, plus, we are still going to be here for you at astrologyweekly forum.

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Good idea, Tora. I spent the whole evening picking a place. The best I was able to find was Acapulco. Not because it was a popular place, but because there are fewer negative aspects and more positive. My chart actually became quite amazing with lots of textbook planet formations. But my Sun is there conj IC, so it's still just a good vacation place. Phoenix is a pretty good place for work and for general living, and I indeed had worked there several winters, loved it. In my current place I have no life and no career, but I have a pretty cool job. My Cancer MC is clinging to it, and my Pisces MS isn't willing to do anything about it either. I keep looking for options though. Some seemingly good places have bad squares and oppositions, or planets in wrong houses. I need to post my research results in a separate thread.
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i just thought it would take time for the negativity to manifest with these lines and dint think something like a 2 week long trip was long enough to feel such negaive effects but i will take ur word for it! definitely nto risking it!!!
I dunno. I lived in the sunny Turkmenistan for 2 months when I was 8 y.o. It was right between the Mars squares MC line and the Mars oppos. AS line. Also, there was the Uranus AS line nearby. I almost didn't make it. They had a really bad water there.

The kids were just nasty too. I picked up some bad stuff from them pretty quickly. Came back home and started beating up everyone that was giving me trouble. It was pretty cool.
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It doesn't surprise me that I was born on a Chiron line. A Saturn/Mars line exists on Japan, but I always wanted to go
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

I can also recommend that people don't go to places where Pluto and Chiron cross. Mine unfortunately cross over the Hawaiian Islands, and I had the worst and most traumatic holiday of my life there!
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

I would like to echo the original poster's thoughts. I have been living on a Saturn/Pluto line for 13 years, and I am so not at home here. I don't have a good reaction from the people and I don't like it aesthetically. It's funny, everyone just LOVES this place- I can't stand it! Must get away!

Any lines you would recommend?
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

No one on AW "believes" in the implications and ramifications of astro-localization more than I, however I must state that the situation of one's natal chart (and of its directions in time) determine which localization will be favorable, neutral or unfavorable, for that specific individual with that specific astrological signature in their bioenergetic field: for some (though, I THINK, not many), it could actually be benefic to be on a Saturn/Pluto line!
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No one on AW "believes" in the implications and ramifications of astro-localization more than I, however I must state that the situation of one's natal chart (and of its directions in time) determine which localization will be favorable, neutral or unfavorable, for that specific individual with that specific astrological signature in their bioenergetic field:
for some (though, I THINK, not many), it could actually be benefic to be on a Saturn/Pluto line!
For what kind of charts do you think it would actually be benefic to be on a Saturn/Pluto line?
A chart that may already have Saturn/ Pluto on angles?

My natal - Saturn conjuct MC, Pluto conjuct ASC, Uranus in 1st, Sun in 10th.
Relocation Chart - Saturn conjuct DESC, Uranus conjuct MC, Sun in 7th

The conjuctions are so tight it's freakish frightening
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

Where, in the natal chart, Saturn is dignified, strong, well aspected, and Pluto is in favorable aspect with Saturn and with other key horoscopic elements (such as, eg, the ascendant, Sun, Part of Fortune, etc), is an example of where being on a Saturn/Pluto line could be a favorable localization.

(PS: for me, I only take a comparison of the natal chart with the locational elements into account, when making a locational evaluation)

In the posted natal reference chart, Saturn applies to square of Pluto: this aspect alone would be sufficient reason for me to recommend staying away from being on a Saturn/Pluto line.

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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

Dear All,

I am a new member here.
Also i have been suffered from the saturn and pluto 4th house for more than 30 years.

these two years, by studying the astrology, i found the mainl reason of my unluck in the past.

i am planing to relocate soon to a new place.
I would like to ask,

if a Uranus ACS ok???
But meanwhile, the saturn will go to 10th house, (saturn & jupiter are conjunction 0 angle)
mars & sun & venus = 3 angle, will go to 4th hose
saturn & jupiter VS mars & sun = 180 angle


will the career of 10th toooo bad???
but the ASC is Uranus...

i have been confused of this for more than half a year.... I found nobody can help me of this in noramal astrology forum,
really hope my confuse can be solved in this forum.

Many thanks for any advice.

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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

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Where, in the natal chart, Saturn is dignified, strong, well aspected, and Pluto is in favorable aspect with Saturn and with other key horoscopic elements (such as, eg, the ascendant, Sun, Part of Fortune, etc), is an example of where being on a Saturn/Pluto line could be a favorable localization.

(PS: for me, I only take a comparison of the natal chart with the locational elements into account, when making a locational evaluation)

In the posted natal reference chart, Saturn applies to square of Pluto: this aspect alone would be sufficient reason for me to recommend staying away from being on a Saturn/Pluto line.
I agree that lines and crossings depend on the aspects of the planets in the natal chart. I'm a good case in point. I've lived for many years at my Mars IC line. This is not meant to be easy by all accounts, but I like it because my Mars is well aspected, in a grand trine with Moon and Ceres.

As regards the poster's comments on feeling out of place and disagreeing with the values and tastes of others, this sounds to me very much like a node effect. Don't the notes indicate if you fit in the local environment or not? I lived with the NN square the AC, and I had similar experiences. I didn't like the people and their values (I couldn't grow to respect them), even though my job and house situation were OK.
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Re: NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

Hi, have you ever check if you are at the positive secodary processsing period?
if your processing is good. then you will still have positive life even if the ASC is mars.

but i tend to agree that even it is Pluto or Sartune in ASC, it can lead to a good experience, as long as it is positive angle in the natal charts.
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Hi,

I can share my example. The place I am currently at, have been for some time now, has Saturn crossing it per my Astrocartography. Whilst I have always had work (Saturn being the astrological Lord of employment), the place of work itself has been ridden with challenges due to office politics. Going by Dr Farr's astro-logic, Saturn in my natal chart is in detriment and makes challenging aspects to the likes of Pluto and Mars. However, perhaps despite all the Pluto/Mars challenges I have faced at my place of work, I have often received a pat on the back for my work itself, and have, as said, always been able to retain employment well, perhaps due to the trine that my natal Saturn (though in detriment) receives from an exalted Venus (keeping the job and enjoying it). This exalted Venus in my natal chart rules my Midheaven. See how that all reels in.

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WOW, the Saturn/Pluto crossings make a lot of sense! They describe what's been going on in my life here in my home state very accurately. Here are my power lines that I'm within 200 km of:

Saturn/MC
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Astro described the Saturn/Pluto/MC stuff as "finding my destiny, power struggles", etc. You know what it means? I WON'T BE ABLE TO FIND SUSTAINABLE WORK HERE! Literally, "death of work." There's absolutely no way I can maintain or find a job here in this state. I'm entirely and unequivocally convinced of that, so I stopped searching anywhere within the New York tri-state area, and I am still currently jobless.

I'm actually lucky that I completed my 4-year college degree here. After that, the mayhem began. I must have gone through 5 or 6 jobs since I graduated in 2006, and not ONE of them lasted a year each. Not one! This led me to believe that my college degree was useless. My old career might be dead and buried, but I need to use my background to go into something else that's related to what I was previously doing. And it needs to happen somewhere else in the country!

Moon/IC I take to mean as a comforting home life, which is true. I'm still living at home and not paying for food or rent. It feels like I'm wasting my life away and being lazy, but that's not my nature at all. I'm extremely ambitious, and it pains me to have to be in this state of affairs. Sure, my basic human needs are being met, but it's no use staying at home doing nothing and not personally and professionally evolving.

And this leads us to....

For crossing Moon/Saturn: "Your need for privacy may lead you into a certain isolation though, and you could find it hard to step up to people. You may then get upset about trivial matters and become impatient with the mistakes and inadequacies of others as well as your own"

Exactly! I'm a social person by nature, but I'm seriously isolating myself here in New York because I have nothing to do here whatsoever. I also have no close friends at all.

My plan of attack is this: I'm applying to jobs all over the country in a particular field I'm interested in. If none of those jobs calls me, I'm then going to do a cheap, two-year community college program close to home here. After that, then I'll either get a job in another state or continue on for a second college degree (to be determined). Since I don't know anybody to give me professional references, it may be a good idea to go to that cheap college program and do some networking. But if I find a job before September rolls around, I'm outta here!

Bottom line is that all these lines are telling me to GET OUT if I'm to have any career success at all. I think almost everybody here can agree with this astrocartography assessment, too.
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