Black Lives Matter, Marxist?

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A 15-year-old Black high schooler in Michigan
was incarcerated in May
during the middle of the coronavirus pandemic
because she didn’t complete her online homework
in violation of her probation.

Yes, you read that right.

In the middle of a pandemic
where special needs students are especially struggling
to complete coursework
and legal experts are urging juvenile detention centers to release children
a 15-year-old was thrown in detention
for falling behind on her online homework.

Her hearing isn’t until September
so she’ll be separated from home
and unable to access the additional learning support from her teachers
for four entire months

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Police departments are socialist by nature. They're non-profit and community owned, through local governments. Even conservative members of the Libertarian Party agree that non-profit community owned police and fire departments are preferable to for-profit, privately owned police and fire service.

Same goes for the National Guard, the Coast Guard, and the Armed Forces, on the State and National level.

Marxism is based primarily on economic "class", and contends that there's a "ruling class" keeping the "lower classes" in servitude by various means, including keeping them divided and fighting against one another. The police are considered to be "enforcers" for the ruling class.

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New Documentary NAILS It
Drives Home That NO ONE Should Be Divided By Race
No Matter Their Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfDtbDM2FDo.


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This is inaccurate assessment of the situation and you are wrong. The entire world was rightly outraged at witnessing the 9 minute suffocation of a man by a racist cop.

If the victim had been a white man and the cop a black man would you think the act was justified?

If anyone can point the finger at another person and classify them as 'unworthy to live' then society will no longer exist. Even the racist cop Chauvin deserves a fair trial as a consequence of his heartless murder of another human being.

We live in a democracy where we have rule of law and not vigilante justice. A person may think you are a depraved human being. Would that give them the right to put a knee to your neck and squeeze the life out of you? No, AppleLeo,
we don't live in such a country and that's a very good thing.

Thank God we live in a society where sociopaths don't get to kill whoever they deem as 'depraved or unworthy'. The initial anger WAS completely understandable with anyone who has eyes to see what they saw. However, the BLM has been taken over by a far sinister movement, that of the removal of the U.S. government. Since they have neither the power to do that at the moment, they cause chaos, carnage in the streets and have started an insidious climb to remove police departments by 'defunding'. Without the police, the gun violence and general crimes increase and creates more confusion, division, mayhem.

This is the goal of BLM; it's no longer about curbing racism or holding police accountable; it's about the destruction of the country. So far, 30 people have died, mainly black from their 'peaceful protests' and about one billion for property damage. There are many naive, white people with 'white guilt' who believe that BLM is a worthy cause. They are being used as pawns for this violent organization and enabling them to dismantle civil discourse. Some on this forum, along with the naive, white people haven't got a clue about the real motivation behind BLM

Only if Trump is elected will the BLM be stopped. I predict they will be classified as a domestic terrorist organization within 2 years.
That will be the end of them.

AppLeo said:

In my opinion, no one really cares about racism or the death of George Floyd. Floyd was a depraved human being who was murdered by another depraved human being. These people are irrelevant. BLM has been around for a while, yet the movement suddenly takes precedence now? Why now? Why not before? Floyd's death was a convenient excuse to release pent up anger and resentment from the clear destruction of our economy and social cohesion.

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Because nobody is there and it's clean and open and safe.

Far away from America but still with modern luxuries and democracy that I can't live without.

For if Biden wins, I won't be witness to the slow deterioration of all that I value in a democracy and the total destruction of my NY which is going the way of Chicago because the woke Democrats refuse to stand up to the BLM.

However, I predict that Trump will win in light of what has happened in the past six weeks since George Floyd was murdered. People are realizing that the Democrats are using the 'race issue' to secure power and think it's outrageous.

ALL LIVES MATTER slogan has a far better acceptance than BLM slogan in the latest poll by both white and black respondents.

david starling said:

Blackbery, why New Zealand?

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I predict BLM will fade away on its own, once this surge of emotional release has run its course. I really don't see BLM as being a planned effort to overthrow the Constitutional government.I

As for police departments, it's not about abolishing them, it's about reforming them into what's being called "community-based policing". Looks like it involves more police rather than less, with a less militaristic attitude. The original "defund" idea is to shift the police budget away from buying extremely expensive, high tech, military equipment that can be used to suppress dissent, in order to fund more community-friendly services.

Interesting to see if it can reduce crime, especially homicides and rapes, in the long-term. However, since I'm convinced that the "War on Drugs" is the major cause of violent crimes in impoverished, inner-city areas, I don't see much progress along those lines unless we drastically revise our national and local drug policies. We also need a new "War on Poverty" strategy which enables and encourages people currently unemployable to join the work force and be able to earn a "living wage". The extreme rate of violence is in the tightly-packed, economically-depressed communties--nothing to do with "race", per se.

blackbery said:

Because nobody is there and it's clean and open and safe.

Far away from America but still with modern luxuries and democracy that I can't live without.

For if Biden wins, I won't be witness to the slow deterioration of all that I value in a democracy and the total destruction of my NY which is going the way of Chicago because the woke Democrats refuse to stand up to the BLM.

However, I predict that Trump will win in light of what has happened in the past six weeks since George Floyd was murdered. People are realizing that the Democrats are using the 'race issue' to secure power and think it's outrageous.

ALL LIVES MATTER slogan has a far better acceptance than BLM slogan in the latest poll by both white and black respondents.

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The message from the BLM slogan is getting through, loud and clear: Minorties which have been subjected to less-than-fair treatment, especially by the legal system, must be included in the slogan, "'ALL' Lives Matter".

Otherwise, "All Lives Matter" it's just an empty, theoretical exercise in futility , with no improvements intended.

I wish you were right David but BLM is not going to stop their violence unless the leaders stand up to them and Democrats refuse to do that, taking their side and allowing the carnage to carry on. The latest on the gun violence in NY.

For decades, New York City had embraced the title of the “safest big city in the country.” But now, as it cautiously emerges from months of a coronavirus lockdown, it is battling a surge in gun violence.

The latest numbers are stark: 53 people were shot — four fatally — from Friday through Monday, the police said. Over the Fourth of July weekend, the police reported 64 shootings.

The 53 people shot in NY between Friday and Monday included a 1-year-old boy who was killed on Sunday when two gunmen opened fire at a cookout in Bedford-Stuyvesant, and a 17-year-old boy who was shot in the head on Monday night outside a housing project in East Harlem.

Also on Monday, in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, five people were shot in three drive-by shootings. The victims were expected to survive, a police official said.

All the victims are black, killed by other black citizens, all a result of NY police no longer having the anti-crime unit or support from the leaders to do their job effectively. Police in NY are leaving in record numbers and the streets have been taken over by the criminals. We need law and order more than ever.

david starling said:

I predict BLM will fade away on its own, once this surge of emotional release has run its course. I really don't see BLM as being a planned effort to overthrow the Constitutional government.I

As for police departments, it's not about abolishing them, it's about reforming them into what's being called "community-based policing". Looks like it involves more police rather than less, with a less militaristic attitude. The original "defund" idea is to shift the police budget away from buying extremely expensive, high tech, military equipment that can be used to suppress dissent, in order to fund more community-friendly services.

Interesting to see if it can reduce crime, especially homicides and rapes, in the long-term. However, since I'm convinced that the "War on Drugs" is the major cause of violent crimes in impoverished, inner-city areas, I don't see much progress along those lines unless we drastically revise our national and local drug policies. We also need a new "War on Poverty" strategy which enables and encourages people currently unemployable to join the work force and be able to earn a "living wage". The extreme rate of violence is in the tightly-packed, economically-depressed communties--nothing to do with "race", per se.

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You mean that the country wasn't aware that there is racism in America before BLM was founded a few years ago?

Racism against Jews, other minority groups such as Catholics, Sikhs. Racism against Asians and others? What about Natives? Racism existed in America since the country was formed. We've come a long way and we haven't reached the finishing line yet. Do Korean people, for instance, kill other Koreans and burn and loot because they face terrible discrimination?

Racism against certain groups exists in the world and will never fully go away.
You cannot control an individual's thoughts. Yet, America is one of the most tolerant and welcoming countries in the world. The few racist cops do not account for the 90% of cops who do a great job, putting their life on the line for all citizens.

BLM is not about helping curb racism or helping black communities. You and the entire country will find this out in time. Luckily, Trump is onto their movement and will shut them down once he's elected.

Then the true healing can begin and civil approaches to combat racism.

david starling said:

The message from the BLM slogan is getting through, loud and clear: Minorties which have been subjected to less-than-fair treatment, especially by the legal system, must be included in the slogan, "'ALL' Lives Matter".

Otherwise, "All Lives Matter" it's just an empty, theoretical exercise in futility , with no improvements intended.

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blackbery said:

You mean that the country wasn't aware that there is racism in America before BLM was founded a few years ago?

Racism against Jews, other minority groups such as Catholics, Sikhs. Racism against Asians and others? What about Natives? Racism existed in America since the country was formed. We've come a long way and we haven't reached the finishing line yet. Do Korean people, for instance, kill other Koreans and burn and loot because they face terrible discrimination?

Racism against certain groups exists in the world and will never fully go away.
You cannot control an individual's thoughts. Yet, America is one of the most tolerant and welcoming countries in the world. The few racist cops do not account for the 90% of cops who do a great job, putting their life on the line for all citizens.

BLM is not about helping curb racism or helping black communities. You and the entire country will find this out in time. Luckily, Trump is onto their movement and will shut them down once he's elected.

Then the true healing can begin and civil approaches to combat racism.

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BLM is serving the purpose of showing the NEED to combat the unfair treatment of minorities. The Civil Rights Movement has been resting on its laurels, after gains made over 50 years ago.

I see BLM as an immediate "wake up call", not a permanent phenomenon. It's also a temporary, excessive, emotional outlet during these difficult times, which are especially due to the stellium in tropical Capricorn.

Jews have fared better than the descendants of Slaves, and the displaced indigenous peoples. So have Mexican-Americans and Asians. But they ALL have to be accorded more genuine acceptance by the majority population in order to "form a more perfect Union", and "establish domestic Tranquility", as mandated by the Preamble to the Constitution.

I agree with AppLeo (in my own words), that the real key to a better world in general, is viewing each other as individuals with "inalienable rights", instead of anonymous members of cultural groupings.

JUPITERASC said:

Siriusly

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Seriously.

JUPITERASC said:

however
given other comments elsewhere
such as


clearly something else is

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Wow, taking words I said a long time ago and presenting them out of context.

Your motives in a discussion are pure...

AppLeo said:

Seriously.



Wow, taking words I said a long time ago and presenting them out of context.

Your motives in a discussion are pure...

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Hey Apps, was my last post true to what you've been saying?

david starling said:

Hey Apps, was my last post true to what you've been saying?

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Yeah pretty much

All,

We've done a lot of editing and deleting in this thread due to personal attacks. It is a hot topic, but it still must be debated WITH RESPECT. "You" statements (ie "it's disgusting that you say....") are attacks. Responses to attacks fuel more attacks.

If this thread can't stop being a magnet for attacks, it will be closed.

Warning,
Osamenor

AppLeo said:

In my opinion, no one really cares about racism or the death of George Floyd. Floyd was a depraved human being who was murdered by another depraved human being. These people are irrelevant. BLM has been around for a while, yet the movement suddenly takes precedence now? Why now? Why not before? Floyd's death was a convenient excuse to release pent up anger and resentment from the clear destruction of our economy and social cohesion.

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Perhaps in your lexicon everyone is depraved. But in the American justice system-- at least, as it is supposed to work-- everyone is entitled to a fair trial. The death penalty is reserved for specific cases at the end of a long process. But you seem to advocate a trigger-happy vigilante type of justice that you would not want to live under.

waybread said:

Perhaps in your lexicon everyone is depraved. But in the American justice system-- at least, as it is supposed to work-- everyone is entitled to a fair trial. The death penalty is reserved for specific cases at the end of a long process. But you seem to advocate a trigger-happy vigilante type of justice that you would not want to live under.

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Vigilante lynchings and burnings applied to both black men and homosexual men.

waybread said:

Perhaps in your lexicon everyone is depraved. But in the American justice system-- at least, as it is supposed to work-- everyone is entitled to a fair trial. The death penalty is reserved for specific cases at the end of a long process. But you seem to advocate a trigger-happy vigilante type of justice that you would not want to live under.

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I don’t approve how the police handled a criminal like Floyd.

blackbery said:

He's a GREAT PATRIOT, didn't know that about him before he became president. Cannot wait for four more years.

The topic is BLM. Have you any comment about the 'peaceful videos'.

One can only conclude that you and David support the violence and the eradication of the monuments and statues of the Founding Fathers and the abolitionists. The president prevented them for destroying the Lincoln memorial which means so much to this country. Thank God for Trump during this madness.

https://youtu.be/sVkkHJpc5Q0

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One cannot so conclude because it would be false. You might do us the courtesy of asking what we think prior to making such negative assumptions.

Obviously I don't support violence: I have repeatedly referred to the First Amendment's guarantee of the right to "peaceable assembly."

Nobody was destroying the Lincoln Memorial.

My personal feeling-- along with Senator Tammy Duckworth-- is that we need a national dialogue on how we memorialize our past.

Andrew Jackson was not only a slave holder, but he presided over bloodshed in the forced dispossession of Native Americans via the Indian Removal Act. Donald Trump admires him, though.

I see no need for statues of Confederate generals, personally, but I think there is a place for them in museums, where they can be better interpreted in the context of our nation's past. I don't think they belong in public squares.

An analogy would be Germany. Museums that I visited do interpret the Nazi past, but they don't put statues of Nazi leaders in public squares.

Blackbery, have you seriously looked into New Zealand immigration requirements?

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/options/live-permanently/all-resident-visas

Unless you're married to a New Zealander, highly skilled in an in-demand occupation, a wealthy investor, or a Pacific Islander, it might not be so easy.

Ethnic tensions are everywhere. Perhaps you've read up on the Maori. They have a social justice movement, as well.

Maybe come to where David or I live, in rocking chairs, wrapped in quilts......