Darth MI
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Modern astrologers love o emphasize the Ascendant as a facade used in public and how it has nothing to do with a person's personality.
To the point that so many long time veterans of astrology (exempting those who practise the traditional systems or foreign systems like Vedic) go as far as saying the Ascendant is how you act around your friends and public settings in general (such as work, the train station, etc).
Now I got a problem with this notion. First off if the Ascendant is supposed to be your "social mask" how does this go in with energies in houses that naturally deal with public life? I mean say you have Scorpio as your Ascendant but all your strong planets are in 11th house. Would you still remain secretive and even seemingly creepy when you'r eat school talking to your acquintances and friends? I thought Sun in 11th house means you emphasize friendships so much as an essential need?
Lets take it a step further and add in the 10th house. A stereotypical trait of Capricorn AScendant is that in public they are hard workers. Thing is I read the chart of a few Cappy Ascs had major planets in their 10th HOUSE. This is where my inspiration for this thread came from. Most astrologers atributed these clients to being hard workers due to Cappy Asc making them form a stern social mask and I began to get confused as I read their charts. Mars is in the 10th hosue of one client, isn't this what is making her so workaholic? I mean her birth time isn't precise and she gave me another one from a relative also at her birth which gave her Aquarius Asc instead and her Mars is still in 10th house.
In addition what about the other houses? I mean just because they deal with other parts of your life doesn't mean you really showed your true nature of a person to other strangers. I mean if someone has Aquarius Asc but his fifth hosue is packed in with lots of planets including the sun..... Aquarius is often stated to avoid having kids and even hate having kids. But wouldn't that delay an Aquarius's 5th house effects in public? The person who I am referring too, he loves kids so much that he even horseplays with KIDS he never knew before and just met AT THE MALL and plays with babies evertime he sees them. According to the social mask theory acclaimed by modern astrologers, heshouldn't be friendly to kids he just met because they are strangers and he has Aquarius Asc.
WHat about strangers visting your home? Astrologers cannot believe I have Scorpio Asc because I am so friendly and rather attached to my home especially family heirlooms. Some of them attempted to guess me as being Cancer Asc because I was being so homely in fron tof them. But my 4th house has a stellium of Mars, Saturn, and Venus. Is my Scorpio Asc being replaced instead by my 4th house as my social mask?
Or about going to Church? WOuldn't it make more sense to look at the 9th house for indicates to waht their social mask be during mass?
I'm not even taking in situational factors. He may be charmy to girls but is it really because of Libra Asc? Or is it because the girls are gorgeous ones?
I myself will use one example. I am normally calm and quiet but if you ut me in a football stadium, people often noticed me as being so **** loud and obnoxious. My friends all tell me this nd I even got into a few scuffles with some strangers during the last game because I was bashing their favorite time. Nothing like Scorpio Asc and nothing in my 5th house indicates me acting wild during sport. Nor does my Mars give any clue to why I act this way. But I ******* LOVE football, its one of my life's passion. I'm not the only one, a lot of football fans normally known to be polite suddenly become roaring fans during the superbowl to the point they throw food out of excitement all over the stadium and I even remember some games being in other people's homes where items were broken because we all got o riled up and throwing around the remote and such due to out team winning?
My brother has Lbra Ascendant and genrally acts like a Libra in public but when he is int he military barracks (and AMONG STRANGERS in the base; some who just recently as a week or two ago ere assigned to my brother's unit) he can be quite aggressive to the point of being a rbaggart and even going into as scuffle (note: with people who he odesn't even know the names off). It my be his tenth house Mars but at the same time as a member of a military family I have too many stories to tell about how aggressive people can be when in their uniforms-yet remain so polite when they are outside the base and dining at Mcdonalds.
Don't even let me bring in planets. Wouldn't someone with a mighty Saturn be so disciplined they avoid blabbering their mouths and that is why they are quiet in public (not because they have Scorpio Ascendant)?
So which is most important in determining a person's social mask?
I think the emphasis of Ascendant is so overblown in modern astrology. I would go as far as saying its social cues and the situation at hand that play a much bigger role in how a person would act among strangers than anything astrology related.
To the point that so many long time veterans of astrology (exempting those who practise the traditional systems or foreign systems like Vedic) go as far as saying the Ascendant is how you act around your friends and public settings in general (such as work, the train station, etc).
Now I got a problem with this notion. First off if the Ascendant is supposed to be your "social mask" how does this go in with energies in houses that naturally deal with public life? I mean say you have Scorpio as your Ascendant but all your strong planets are in 11th house. Would you still remain secretive and even seemingly creepy when you'r eat school talking to your acquintances and friends? I thought Sun in 11th house means you emphasize friendships so much as an essential need?
Lets take it a step further and add in the 10th house. A stereotypical trait of Capricorn AScendant is that in public they are hard workers. Thing is I read the chart of a few Cappy Ascs had major planets in their 10th HOUSE. This is where my inspiration for this thread came from. Most astrologers atributed these clients to being hard workers due to Cappy Asc making them form a stern social mask and I began to get confused as I read their charts. Mars is in the 10th hosue of one client, isn't this what is making her so workaholic? I mean her birth time isn't precise and she gave me another one from a relative also at her birth which gave her Aquarius Asc instead and her Mars is still in 10th house.
In addition what about the other houses? I mean just because they deal with other parts of your life doesn't mean you really showed your true nature of a person to other strangers. I mean if someone has Aquarius Asc but his fifth hosue is packed in with lots of planets including the sun..... Aquarius is often stated to avoid having kids and even hate having kids. But wouldn't that delay an Aquarius's 5th house effects in public? The person who I am referring too, he loves kids so much that he even horseplays with KIDS he never knew before and just met AT THE MALL and plays with babies evertime he sees them. According to the social mask theory acclaimed by modern astrologers, heshouldn't be friendly to kids he just met because they are strangers and he has Aquarius Asc.
WHat about strangers visting your home? Astrologers cannot believe I have Scorpio Asc because I am so friendly and rather attached to my home especially family heirlooms. Some of them attempted to guess me as being Cancer Asc because I was being so homely in fron tof them. But my 4th house has a stellium of Mars, Saturn, and Venus. Is my Scorpio Asc being replaced instead by my 4th house as my social mask?
Or about going to Church? WOuldn't it make more sense to look at the 9th house for indicates to waht their social mask be during mass?
I'm not even taking in situational factors. He may be charmy to girls but is it really because of Libra Asc? Or is it because the girls are gorgeous ones?
I myself will use one example. I am normally calm and quiet but if you ut me in a football stadium, people often noticed me as being so **** loud and obnoxious. My friends all tell me this nd I even got into a few scuffles with some strangers during the last game because I was bashing their favorite time. Nothing like Scorpio Asc and nothing in my 5th house indicates me acting wild during sport. Nor does my Mars give any clue to why I act this way. But I ******* LOVE football, its one of my life's passion. I'm not the only one, a lot of football fans normally known to be polite suddenly become roaring fans during the superbowl to the point they throw food out of excitement all over the stadium and I even remember some games being in other people's homes where items were broken because we all got o riled up and throwing around the remote and such due to out team winning?
My brother has Lbra Ascendant and genrally acts like a Libra in public but when he is int he military barracks (and AMONG STRANGERS in the base; some who just recently as a week or two ago ere assigned to my brother's unit) he can be quite aggressive to the point of being a rbaggart and even going into as scuffle (note: with people who he odesn't even know the names off). It my be his tenth house Mars but at the same time as a member of a military family I have too many stories to tell about how aggressive people can be when in their uniforms-yet remain so polite when they are outside the base and dining at Mcdonalds.
Don't even let me bring in planets. Wouldn't someone with a mighty Saturn be so disciplined they avoid blabbering their mouths and that is why they are quiet in public (not because they have Scorpio Ascendant)?
So which is most important in determining a person's social mask?
I think the emphasis of Ascendant is so overblown in modern astrology. I would go as far as saying its social cues and the situation at hand that play a much bigger role in how a person would act among strangers than anything astrology related.