The most common, of course, is a strong Virgo influence like a Virgo Ascendant.
kanshu, I've been thinking: isn't that so, that by having Virgo Asc (and with use of Placidus and by living in average distance from equator), you get most probably Saturn as ruler of 5th? (And Saturn on the 7th cusp ruler would bring us then to a Scorpio rising, right?) So, the full debate of whether Virgos are born loners or not, does not actually bring us far away from the 2nd indication posted in my original post here:
I do not wish to personify the question, it is a general theme that concerns a discrete number of people. I always think with the rule of three, so I would like to find at least 3 indications in the same chart:
* elevated Saturn in the chart (by sign or by house disposition)
* Saturn as ruler of 5th or 7th
* Saturn elevated + aspecting Moon by trine/sextile
* Jupiter in Capricorn and/or in the 12th
* Mercury in Sagittarius and Venus in Capricorn or Aquarius
* Grand Trine in water signs
So I am not actually convinced that a Virgo Asc by itself would make someone lone wolf... I want to have at least 3 indications. But ok, under the above scheme, yes, Virgo rising would be one of those...
First of all, for me, lonewolf = an independent person. It does not necessarily mean lonely or melancholic.
For me too. Lone wolf is someone who dares or chooses a certain lifestyle because for some (different) reasons he does not cope with the standards of the social life. He may have a very successful social life if he chooses to, but he is very self-contained. He is not unable to fit-in, he is (most often) unwilling. My remark about the "sentence to eternal loneliness" was rather referring to the generalization concerning Virgo Asc.
If Virgo is a by-yourselfer, it is because no one can match up to its idea of perfection, but there are many ways to deal with that.
I agree here with
Flapjacks: Virgo is a perfectionist in many aspects, but this by itself does not make someone lone-wolf, i.e. does not give to someone the strength and wish to exist as self-contained human being. Can also very well create (if not properly worked upon) a very pitiful individual, ready to complain about everything, unable to co-operate, willing to spend the rest of his life correcting the tiny details of zero importance. There are a lot of ways to deal with the concept of perfection, that's for sure.
By the way, this was a very nice article... I have seen how in the last 10 years there are more and more books and articles written by women and addressing to (single) women... Seems that the corresponding reading public is continuously increasing...
Lone wolf syndrome ..... sounds like a disease.
I can relate to wishing to spend time alone, however I refuse to fit in a box or syndrome.
(uranus and aqua here)
Caro, unfortunately it seems that if you are a lone wolf, either you must become a hero, or you are "an error in the matrix". Not much of a choice, eh? Have a look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loner
The
modern term "loner" is usually used with a negative connotation in the belief that human beings are
social creatures and those that do not participate are
deviant. In
popular culture, however, there is a certain romanticism in the idea of the loner since he or she is seen as special and unique. This can be attributed to the notion that truly great people often lurk in the shadows of societies that espouse corrupt or
superficial standards of existence. As a result, the concept of a lonely hero is a recurring theme in stories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(trait)
A
lone wolf is a
wolf that lives by itself rather than with others as part of a
pack. [...] Some wolves will simply remain lone wolves; as such, lone wolves are usually stronger, more aggressive and far more dangerous than the average wolf that is a member of a pack. [...] Sometimes, a lone wolf will find another lone wolf of the opposite sex, and the two will start a new pack.
I do relate to the lazy bit(grand trine in water) although people who have worked with me would not say so I do work hard(but I am aware of a tendancy to sit back and let it happen and it scares me a bit so I try to go in the opposite direction)
I have repeatedly read on the net that grand trines in water render the individual lazy, but this I do not actually believe nor have I confirmed from the people with such pattern from whom the charts I have in my hands. What I generally believe is that a grand trine can often be non-productive, because we all tend to put extra effort on the problematic aspects, the pressure of which we (constantly) feel. No-one cares about putting extra effort on something which seems to work good - so we do not benefit out of it. A grand trine is the best energy flowing pattern in a chart: as long as its owner is not aware of its meaning in the chart, cannot work on it, and therefore does not get benefit of this energy. However, it does not mean that the owner is lazy at doing his job, or his housework, or study his lessons... If we merely attribute laziness to such a pattern, we risk to misunderstand its meaning and the reason for existing in the chart. Especially for the grand trine in water signs, as far as I know the individual needs more time for meditation and introspection - because the emotions can run very high there.
Flea, I'm glad you jumped in, as owner of 4 of the basic conditions I initially had thought could render someone a lone wolf!
I have that lone wolf character in me but it is neither destructive of separatist. I feel it is my choice to move between the worlds of community and singularity.
To my opinion the above quote as well as the full post of yours confirms that lone wolves are not diseased [sigh of relief, Caro
] ; that they may also live an - at least seemingly - more conventional life, but what matters is that inside there is always somewhere the belief that they can manage also very well by their own, at any moment they choose to. And of course it confirms also that as you said,
astrology comes pretty close, but surely cannot dictate the lifestyle of an individual.
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