Is college really that important?

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Om Kleem Om??
Just chant this while I meditate?

Uhh.... :unsure:
Well I guess I could
and see what it does.


You can say OM at the start
and repeat the KLEEM.
Such mantras
are called beej (seed) mantra.
It has no specific meaning
but will attract
a support system to you.
Worth a try
:)

Alright, I'll give it a shot.
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waybread

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I know, I'm a weak person.

I'm sorry; I just don't really know what to do.

I've been fearful of everything in my life. I wish I grew up in poverty or something because the idea of doing anything uncomfortable is just unacceptable.

But you're uncomfortable now. Right? It's not like you're feeling comfortable as you are. Thank your parents that you did not grow up in poverty.
 

AppLeo

Well-known member
I also have Uranus conjunct my Part of Fortune, so I feel like computer science is a good choice for me.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
I know, I'm a weak person.
I'm sorry; I just don't really know what to do.
I've been fearful of everything in my life.
I wish I grew up in poverty or something
because the idea of doing anything uncomfortable
is just unacceptable.
No one wants to go beyond their comfort zone
that does not imply weakness
Okay..

Well I'm taking computer science to learn coding.
I feel like I could develop a passion for it
once I get good at it.
It will help with expressing creativity, I think.
And making lots of money.
so computer science is "not your passion"
but you "could develop a passion for computer science"
basically
you think it's a means to "making lots of money"

I know that's what I'm afraid of.
I'm this worthless skilless person who's afraid to fail.
God it's so annoying.


Unlike most people
money isn't my problem.

Although unlike most people
your mom is paying your college fees
NEVERTHELESS
money IS your problem :smile:
because it is your moms money
not your own money
so you are not free - but you are forced to go to college
to avoid as you graphically said earlier
"being disowned by your parents
and starving to death"

I was also envious of rich people
and thought they should give their wealth to everyone else.
But then my parents said
that you can't just take someone's wealth because you want to.
But I didn't understand that because I just didn't get it.
Your parents are contradicting themselves
they are allowing you to "take" THEIR wealth
so you can use it to pay for college
It's the double-standard mentality
that took the wealth of indigenous peoples worldwide
and grabbed it
while simultaneously proclaiming "Thou shalt not steal"

I'm a fascist libertarian.
I will take control and shove my beliefs down your throat
only so that you can live free and independent
and pursue your own happiness.
Your parents would say the same argument in their defence
that they are taking control of your life
and shoving their beliefs down your throat
only so that you can live free and independent
and pursue your own happiness
by graduating and earning big money

Your parents have good intentions
and as WB highlighted
you are fortunate that you have the OPTION to attend college :smile:
without the added stress of simultaneously working
to pay your way
as well as shouldering student debt

Sounds ironic, but yeah.
If you disagree with me
you're basically saying that you want a dictator/state
to control your life with violence.
Your beliefs are unfortunately insufficiently powerful
- to topple the dictator/state you abhor
andthat shall continue to control lives with violence
in any event

UNLESS
you can singlehandedly overturn that system

and
that is unlikely
given you lack the resources to achieve that aim
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Don't tell me I need a class or that I need to expand my mind.
I expanded it enough.
My politics are on key.

Yeah...
I just don't like professors or teachers
or authority figures in general.
They just like to tell you what to do
because they're so wise and all that.

They'll just want me to spend and waste more money.
I mean hello, they've convinced the entire nation
that college is important and chained these poor people to outrageous debt
so that they could "find themselves."

Unfortunately, my intelligence is average.

Thanks Waybread for your advice. Much appreciated
:joyful:
you claim that your intelligence is average
and yet
you also have said
just moments previously


"....Don't tell me I need a class
or that I need to expand my mind.
I expanded it enough.
My politics are on key......"

also

since you have said your mom is paying your college fees
and has refused your offer to pay her back at some future stage
then
you are not under threat
of these "outrageous college tuition debts" :smile:
you also refer to
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
But you're uncomfortable now.
Right?
It's not like you're feeling comfortable as you are.
Thank your parents that you did not grow up in poverty.
WB it's rare for us to agree - HOWEVER - well said
but you did not get a response, you got a deflection

Why do you start posting on the forum at this hour?
so let's check out the thread
seems WB recalls your previous comments
on this thread:
i.e.

Well
my mom is paying for it
because
I'm a spoiled brat.

But if I had to pay for college myself
I don't think I would've have gone.
I guess it can't hurt to go
because it's being paid for
I just feel like I'm wasting my time
and my mom's money.

I offered to pay her back
once I get a good job
but she said I didn't need to.
And she's been wasting money on me since I was born.
I don't even know why she had kids.
I don't even know why I'm here.


Where's my paycheck.
I'm only hear to make a profit.
I hate my courses because they're boring.
I'm only eager to do good in them for money.


I'm in school
because
I want money
.
That's all I care about.
I chose a computer science
to get an internship
to get a job
to make money.


If I won the lottery I wouldn't have gone to school.
I would've skipped ditched k-12
and completely avoided college.


Well what are you supposed to do
when everyone expects you to?
My parents don't want me to be a loser
and they'd disown me.

And
I don't want to starve to death
,
so college it is.
So there's your answer to your question on this thread
"Is college really important?"

You answered your own question :smile:
- it seems College IS important to you because
by attending courses
you avoid being disowned by your parents
and
starving to death
 

david starling

Well-known member
In the good old days, college was important for guys, because if you didn't attend college you would be drafted into the Army to fight in the Vietnam War. In California, it was practically free tuition for residents, and rent was quite low, even adjusted for inflation, so middle-class guys had no problem staying in college. If they brought back the draft, today's "low intensity" wars would be impossible due to the amount of protesting from the middle-class. I noticed that most wealthy people were all for the War, as long as their own boys didn't have to fight in it.
 

CapAquaPis

Well-known member
In the good old days, college was important for guys, because if you didn't attend college you would be drafted into the Army to fight in the Vietnam War. In California, it was practically free tuition for residents, and rent was quite low, even adjusted for inflation, so middle-class guys had no problem staying in college. If they brought back the draft, today's "low intensity" wars would be impossible due to the amount of protesting from the middle-class. I noticed that most wealthy people were all for the War, as long as their own boys didn't have to fight in it.


I'm a 37-year old Aquarian (sun/moon) college dropout (at least I didn't drop out from high school), has a mild form of autism (I was able to graduate at 18) and from a lower or ex-middle class background (and 1/5 Cherokee Indian - affirmative action?), so I learned how life isn't great, but college grads today are being ripped off in high numbers. In the 1990s, half of my available universities are either too much for me or too far (I may have to move), now there are high tech options like computer courses depending on what class is available on the internet. It was possible in the 1970s-80s to produce a yuppie class, today in the 2000s-10s, more like over half the US population in some form of poverty and millennials aren't like the boomers when it comes to living a fairly decent middle-class life in a developed nation.
 

AppLeo

Well-known member
No one wants to go beyond their comfort zone
that does not imply weakness

Umm... yeah it does.

so computer science is "not your passion"
but you "could develop a passion for computer science"
basically
you think it's a means to "making lots of money"

Yes.

Although unlike most people
your mom is paying your college fees
NEVERTHELESS
money IS your problem :smile:
because it is your moms money
not your own money
so you are not free - but you are forced to go to college
to avoid as you graphically said earlier
"being disowned by your parents
and starving to death"

Yeah, but I don't have to pay for anything.

Your parents are contradicting themselves
they are allowing you to "take" THEIR wealth
so you can use it to pay for college
It's the double-standard mentality
that took the wealth of indigenous peoples worldwide
and grabbed it
while simultaneously proclaiming "Thou shalt not steal"

What? :unsure:

Your parents would say the same argument in their defence
that they are taking control of your life
and shoving their beliefs down your throat
only so that you can live free and independent
and pursue your own happiness
by graduating and earning big money


Yes.

Your parents have good intentions
and as WB highlighted
you are fortunate that you have the OPTION to attend college :smile:
without the added stress of simultaneously working
to pay your way
as well as shouldering student debt

Yeah, thank god. I would've just not have gone to college and worked a minimum wage job. I'm not paying money to be bored.

Your beliefs are unfortunately insufficiently powerful
- to topple the dictator/state you abhor
andthat shall continue to control lives with violence
in any event


Yep.

UNLESS
you can singlehandedly overturn that system

and
that is unlikely
given you lack the resources to achieve that aim

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

you claim that your intelligence is average
and yet
you also have said
just moments previously


"....Don't tell me I need a class
or that I need to expand my mind.
I expanded it enough.
My politics are on key......"


I'm content with intelligence and knowledge I have.

also

since you have said your mom is paying your college fees
and has refused your offer to pay her back at some future stage
then
you are not under threat
of these "outrageous college tuition debts" :smile:
you also refer to

Yes. Thank god. Not interested in debt.

WB it's rare for us to agree - HOWEVER - well said
but you did not get a response, you got a deflection

Deflection?!

so let's check out the thread
seems WB recalls your previous comments
on this thread:
i.e.


So there's your answer to your question on this thread
"Is college really important?"

You answered your own question :smile:
- it seems College IS important to you because
by attending courses
you avoid being disowned by your parents
and
starving to death

Well I guess did answer my question.
 

waybread

Well-known member
WB it's rare for us to agree - HOWEVER - well said
but you did not get a response, you got a deflection

so let's check out the thread
seems WB recalls your previous comments
on this thread:
i.e.



So there's your answer to your question on this thread
"Is college really important?"

You answered your own question :smile:
- it seems College IS important to you because
by attending courses
you avoid being disowned by your parents
and
starving to death

JA, this could be the start of a beautiful friendship.....

Further, AppLeo, if you've never been financially independent, this casts your tough-talking libertarianism and misogyny as simple blowing smoke through your...........
 
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waybread

Well-known member
I'm a 37-year old Aquarian (sun/moon) college dropout (at least I didn't drop out from high school), has a mild form of autism (I was able to graduate at 18) and from a lower or ex-middle class background (and 1/5 Cherokee Indian - affirmative action?), so I learned how life isn't great, but college grads today are being ripped off in high numbers. In the 1990s, half of my available universities are either too much for me or too far (I may have to move), now there are high tech options like computer courses depending on what class is available on the internet. It was possible in the 1970s-80s to produce a yuppie class, today in the 2000s-10s, more like over half the US population in some form of poverty and millennials aren't like the boomers when it comes to living a fairly decent middle-class life in a developed nation.

I don't think most students realize that a lot of university courses and degree problems are available on-line. These are usually cheaper, if less prestigious, than attending a bricks-and-mortar college or university. Also that, for various reasons, most students do not cruise through their BA or BS in 4 years. It's more like 5 or 6 years. That generally costs more.

The university "rip-off" of high tuition has several causes.

1. As tax-cutting measures over the years, most states have cut way back on their grants to their state higher education systems. The gap in state funding gets made up largely through tuition increases. (California's former free or low-cost tuition fees were courtesy of state tax payer dollars funneled through the state legislature to the state college/university system.)

[There's your libertarianism at work, AppLeo]

2. Education in lab- and computer-intensive fields is more expensive. Gone are the days, in many majors, when students could be taught by a professor with a piece of chalk at the blackboard. Computer labs are really expensive, as the machines-- and software license agreements-- need constant upgrading and cost 6 figures to keep them at the standards that graduates will find in their places of employment. Chemistry labs have moved beyond Bunsen burners and test tubes.

3. Faculty salaries in departments with competition for talent from corporations and the private sector have to keep pace, otherwise nobody would teach in STEM fields or business schools. In some universities, you can get a big wage differential between well-heeled medical school faculty vs. starving philosophy profs. But in many campuses where unions or "special plan" faculty associations negotiate faculty salaries, a base pay raise of, say, 1% will be applied throughout the departments.

There may be a separate salary fund to top up the base pay raise for the faculty "stars," but then these star profs typically bring in 6 or 7-figures of externally-funded research grants per annum, of which the university skims off its overhead. The stars support grad student, post-doc, and technician stipends. They earn their keep, and then some. Universities also often have an internal funding formula to give more money to departments (usually with super teachers) who bring in extra student credit-hours, typically through their Gen Ed/Lib Ed courses.

4. A comparatively minor problem but still on the radar is that universities-- with all those big campus buildings-- pay massive utility bills. They support big libraries. They fund intra-mural sports that don't pay for themselves, like college football does. It costs money to pay staff or contractors to shovel snow off the parking lots or to maintain the athletic fields. Sometimes Big Givers will donate funds for a new campus building, which is great; but then once the bricks-and-mortar are finished, the university has to pay for the new building's utility bills and upkeep.

So again, if these budgets are not underwritten by state grants or a big long-term university endowment fund (like Harvard's,) somebody has to pay for this stuff. Maybe it's rising tuition fees or maybe it's special student activity fees, but some universities are not permitted by the state legislatures to run a deficit. They have few options to balance their budgets. Some colleges sadly resort to deferred maintainence, but then leaky roofs dripping on the computer lab get really expensive to fix subsequently.

I wouldn't expect anybody here to know this stuff, but I hope this post helps to keep the high fees in perspective.
 

AppLeo

Well-known member
What hour? Do you know my time zone? Besides, I'm a night owl.

But this isn't what worries you.

You live on the west coast I think.... I've just noticed that you've been posting at 10 PM, my time, for the past three days.

JA, this could be the start of a beautiful friendship.....

Further, AppLeo, if you've never been financially independent, this casts your tough-talking libertarianism and misogyny as simple blowing smoke through your...........

Yeah well.. I'll be financially independent one day and I won't be a hypocrite anymore. I can be a proud libertarian.
 

waybread

Well-known member
I also have Uranus conjunct my Part of Fortune, so I feel like computer science is a good choice for me.

Wouldn't you look at your MC, ruler of your MC, and general horoscope placements?

AppLeo, if you're bored, that's probably not the fault of your university. They are not in the entertainment business, although great teachers manage to inspire their students. You aren't in college to be entertained.

If the problem is that you're too bright for the pedestrian introductory classes, I assure you they will get more challenging if you progress through the ranks.

Please convince us that you are not merely being willfully immature about your courses.
 
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david starling

Well-known member
You live on the west coast I think.... I've just noticed that you've been posting at 10 PM, my time, for the past three days.



Yeah well.. I'll be financially independent one day and I won't be a hypocrite anymore. I can be a proud libertarian.

Well, if you end up homeless, you could have a sign saying, "Proud Leo Libertarian--please donate." :lol:
 

AppLeo

Well-known member
Wasn't Bernie Sanders proposing that the Federal Government should help keep tuition costs low? Sounds like a reasonable solution.

A better solution would be to prohibit the government to give out government funding. When you do this, the universities would have no choice, but to lower tuition because no one would be able to afford the costs. But because people can barrow an insanely large amount of money, the universities can jack up the prices because people will always be able to afford it with government spending.

Wouldn't you look at your MC, ruler of your MC, and general horoscope placements?

Yes.

I mean, I have Scorpio MC, Pluto in 11th and Mars in Cancer in the 7th. So some kind of deep career working with people.

But my Natal Chart is a "scattered" chart. I feel like I can become anything I want. I have Venus exactly trine my MC, which to me tells me that I don't want to work and just want money.

I wish I could just be an artist, but that's not a realistic career... so when I make enough money, that's when I'll be an artist.
 

waybread

Well-known member
Wasn't Bernie Sanders proposing that the Federal Government should help keep tuition costs low? Sounds like a reasonable solution.

So who will pay for this, given the economic realities I just outlined?

Surely libertarian AppLeo wouldn't support tax dollars, let alone a tax increase, being funneled to this purpose.

Did Uncle Bernie realize that there are no federally funded universities? Most of them are private, church-run, or state-supported. The federal government may provide some block grants; but more especially it provides faculty research grants through agencies like the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health.

Faculty do have a whole other working life beyond the classroom.
 
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