House Systems & P.O.F.

Every so often I look at an assortment of charts trying to make comparisons and see if something different jumps out. So it occurs to me that something isn't quite right in the Tropical Placidus for my Part of Fortune, which it places in the 4th house (impossible).

The placement actually fits is the 8th house which is what Tropical Koch houses show.

Is there a simple explanation for this?
And why is the other system in error?
Surely people utilize the Placidus for this, and I suppose my main question isl why in my case, is this completely wrong?

I'm sixty years old, and there's no question as to which is correct.

Thanks for any & all insight!

jac said:

Every so often I look at an assortment of charts
trying to make comparisons and see if something different jumps out.
So it occurs to me that something isn't quite right in the Tropical Placidus
for my Part of Fortune, which it places in the 4th house (impossible).
The placement actually fits is the 8th house
which is what Tropical Koch houses show.
Is there a simple explanation for this?
And why is the other system in error?
Surely people utilize the Placidus for this, and
I suppose my main question isl why in my case, is this completely wrong?
I'm sixty years old, and there's no question as to which is correct.
Thanks for any & all insight!

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much mess and confusion in the area of the so-called "houses"
there are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart"
into twelve segments of life activity.
In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains
represent general areas of life activity
and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets.
Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable
A planet in the SIGN of Aries was also a planet in the HOUSE of Aries
so that in effect. there were no real houses as we know them today
HOWEVER

today
the house location of a planet may change
DEPENDENT ON THE HOUSE SYSTEM CHOSEN
for example

Whole Sign House system ascendant sign becomes the whole first house
and the other houses follow.
ASCENDANT POINT ITSELF can then fall anywhere in the first house
and
MIDHEAVEN POINT anywhere in the upper half of the chart.


Placidus is simply the default


The Whole Sign House system was used by the ancient Greeks
and the Hindus (who still use it today).
It is the oldest and simplest house system in existence
and immediately eliminates the awful mess astrologers have made on the issue over the last 1300 years or so
Artificial divisions now known as houses
were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope
which during 7th and 8th centuriesAD were construed or confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.
The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, for example,
were definite power points or areas of intense focus
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.


previous discussion threads at :


WHOLE SIGNS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=42163


WHOLE SIGN OR PLACIDUS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=39669

Can you post the two charts?

One of the charts uses reversed formula for night charts, the other doesn't.

Those who use the so-called diurnal formula for both day and night are correct, following Nechepso, Petosiris and Ptolemy, in order that, whatever relation the Sun bears to the Ascendant, the Moon also may bear to the Lot of Fortune, and that it may be as it were a Lunar Ascendant. The Lot always follows the phase of the Moon.

JUPITERASC, I didn't mean to put you thru paces, here they are.

petrosiris; Is there an online generator you're aware of that will do this?
The eyes aren't what they used to be.

Fascinating info from you both, thank you. Seems like so many ran quite far afield, but were these exercises or did they effect any practical application?

One can easily get lost in all these options, but all I know for certain is that 4th or 5th house are wrong in my case.

This was interesting;
https://cafeastrology.com/compare-house-systems-report.html
but didn't provide the diurnal alternative either.
I'm curious if anyone else found their POF so completely off- I couldn't be an isolated subject...?

Thank you!

jac said:

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JUPITERASC, I didn't mean to put you thru paces, here they are.

petrosiris; Is there an online generator you're aware of that will do this?
The eyes aren't what they used to be.

Fascinating info from you both, thank you. Seems like so many ran quite far afield, but were these exercises or did they effect any practical application?

One can easily get lost in all these options, but all I know for certain is that 4th or 5th house are wrong in my case.

This was interesting;
https://cafeastrology.com/compare-house-systems-report.html
but didn't provide the diurnal alternative either.
I'm curious if anyone else found their POF so completely off- I couldn't be an isolated subject...?

Thank you!

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CHRIS BRENNAN VIDEO
HOW TO CALCULATE THE LOT OR PART OF FORTUNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=GpOVfJmEFH4


ARTICLE http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2007/10/08/calculating-the-lot-of-fortune/

LOL... By the nocturnal calculation, puts me right back in the 4th house...
petosiris- that's IT! That's the formula placing POF in the 8th house.
Did this go 'out of vogue'?
The charts I have with the 8th house POF are over 25 years old.