Resolving conflict

I'm in a huge fix. My career is bugging the nerves out of me because I can't seem to move ahead. I was recently suggested that the problem with 'confusion' & hardship is NOT Pluto over my 10/11 transforming the career but instead it's my Neptune that's kept me deluded into what I want to achieve while Pluto is just causing to check the truth.

If that is true, can someone tell me what way is right? According to Vedic I was told that I'm going through the Venus Dasas which is good but the rest of my life will get difficult ahead in the coming 3-4 years once this glorious phase is over.

I'm career-minded (now oriented is becoming confusing to me) so have been trying to make things work but unfortunately haven't been successful with anything past graduation. It's been 3 years now.

The issue pointed was that the NN/SN are triggered off after Saturn Return which for me lie 10-4 on the Cancer-Capricorn axis & my needs are for a home life so need to sacrifice profession for it.

Can anyone Tell me what I should be focusing on? I do have emotional needs but I am trying to push past them into forming something concrete for my life ahead.

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How do I resolve the conflict between what I want & what I'm SUPPOSED To get? In respect to the fact that I want a Career in Medicine even though I'm naturally brilliant with psychology but don't wish to go in that direction. In fact I was told that perhaps I might NOT have a Career at all since my emotional/family needs are higher so with neptune on MC I might just give up on everything readily.

I have been trying for Surgery/Pediatrics for the longest time now but I was told that perhaps Psych should be the way to go. What is the right path for me to save time & not kill myself over this?


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Blackempress said:

How do I resolve the conflict between what I want & what I'm SUPPOSEDTo get?

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I'm no expert Blackempress so fwiw JMO - concentrate your focus on what you NEED

Blackempress said:

If that is true, can someone tell me what way is right? According to Vedic I was told that I'm going through the Venus Dasas which is good but the rest of my life will get difficult ahead in the coming 3-4 years once this glorious phase is over.

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That's strange, I've got Jupiter for you here. Jup/Ketu

Looks like the correct chart

Your tenth house ruler is Mars in the 8th/virgo, so I would expect some frustration over career.

JUPITERASC said:

I'm no expert Blackempress so fwiw JMO - concentrate your focus on what you NEED

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Don't know what that is. (If It's TN Cancer emotional junk, it's still squaring my moon so won't make any difference).

Moog said:

That's strange, I've got Jupiter for you here. Jup/Ketu

Looks like the correct chart

Your tenth house ruler is Mars in the 8th/virgo, so I would expect some frustration over career.

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Thank You

With the NN in Cancer, you need to develop empathy, humility, an honest disclosure of your own feelings and insecurities. You need to notice and validate your feelings, nuture and support others and stay focused in yor own feelings.
SN in Capricorn shows what we need to leave behind, such as the need to control everything and everyone, the compulsion to take charge, ingnoring the process and being too focused on the goal.
You are not responsible for everything. Let go of that need and focus more on yourself, your feelings. You need to do what is totally honest for you, not what is 'socially acceptable'. Things do not have to be diffcult in order to be important.

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Blackempress said:

I'm in a huge fix. My career is bugging the nerves out of me because I can't seem to move ahead. I was recently suggested that the problem with 'confusion' & hardship is NOT Pluto over my 10/11 transforming the career but instead it's my Neptune that's kept me deluded into what I want to achieve while Pluto is just causing to check the truth.

If that is true, can someone tell me what way is right? According to Vedic I was told that I'm going through the Venus Dasas which is good but the rest of my life will get difficult ahead in the coming 3-4 years once this glorious phase is over.

I'm career-minded (now oriented is becoming confusing to me) so have been trying to make things work but unfortunately haven't been successful with anything past graduation. It's been 3 years now.

The issue pointed was that the NN/SN are triggered off after Saturn Return which for me lie 10-4 on the Cancer-Capricorn axis & my needs are for a home life so need to sacrifice profession for it.

Can anyone Tell me what I should be focusing on? I do have emotional needs but I am trying to push past them into forming something concrete for my life ahead.

I'm attaching the latest Progressed.

How do I resolve the conflict between what I want & what I'm SUPPOSED To get? In respect to the fact that I want a Career in Medicine even though I'm naturally brilliant with psychology but don't wish to go in that direction. In fact I was told that perhaps I might NOT have a Career at all since my emotional/family needs are higher so with neptune on MC I might just give up on everything readily.

I have been trying for Surgery/Pediatrics for the longest time now but I was told that perhaps Psych should be the way to go. What is the right path for me to save time & not kill myself over this?

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I am sorry for this ongoing conflict with which you are faced, BlackEmpress.

I can only comment from a Western and psychological viewpoint. Pluto's transit is barely mentioned in your post; Uranus to your Sun, not at all. They both with be acting on your Sun, its square to Mars, which rules Jupiter, and the nodal axis for some time to come. So this is is all connected with your continuing to forge your identity in the context of home and your special call to career in the outer world. A key issue presenting at this time for your Sun and North Node is your feeling life, as reflected by the Sun sign of Cancer, and by both being located in the Moon's 4th house.

I do not see this at all as a matter of having to choose between career or home, or even necessarily changing your career path. I do see this as a matter of beginning to cease habitual "push[ing] past," not just your emotional needs, but your feeling life almost entirely in favor of your thinking/intellectual life. Pushing past your feeling life, with the powerful and profound kinds of pressure that transiting Uranus and Pluto are and will continue to place on your Sun in Cancer squared by Mars, and your North Node in Cancer, seems not to accommodate the intent of Uranus to bring radical change and Pluto to reveal the unadulterated truth.

So intensity of career pursuit and the need for immediate answers and what direction to follow may have to take a backseat to serious, continued recognition of feelings that have long been stuffed. As a skilled psychologist, you may know better than most that this kind of processing needs committed, caring attention and cannot be rushed. Rather, it has its own organic time line to which we must submit.

I regret that this is not an answer to the question you are posing, but I just felt a need to offer it to you, in the event that it might be of some help.

Hello Empress,

I will start by giving you some general pointers to the question you put up last in your post, and I will be as frank as I can, so that the answer helps you.

What is the right path for me to save time & not kill myself over this?

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Ask yourself: What is it I really want to do every (week) day of my life, at least 5 days a week, for many years on end? The answer you put down should be out of sheer motivation/a desire to do something you enjoy/will feel most satisfied with. A wrong reason, in general for anyone to take up surgery would be because it may get me big money (though psychologists also earn heaps these days) or the glamour attached to it. No implications here, please.

I was recently suggested that the problem with 'confusion' & hardship is NOT Pluto over my 10/11 transforming the career but instead it's my Neptune that's kept me deluded into what I want to achieve while Pluto is just causing to check the truth.

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In their own ways, both planets are playing their own roles. Natal Neptune in the 10th house can be seen at work in your very confusion about 'what you should be doing'. Neptune, for a person with Piscean Asc could mean social service/ helping others is connected with career. Combining it all, as an example, it could mean you fulfilling your dream and becoming a surgeon, but also maybe not charging the real needy that cannot pay (Jup is benevolence, rules your MC, and Nep is charity, conjunct your MC). With Jup (overseas) on your MC (career/outside world), it could also mean going overseas in regard to your career. An example again would be, with the involvement of Nep, if a person with such a constellation were to go abroad (say, Africa) to help the really needy. And, with Gem on your IC, Mer in Gem and in opp to Sag Ura, and Ura in the 9th (overseas), you should have no difficulties in 'moving home' abroad.

The issue pointed was that the NN/SN are triggered off after Saturn Return which for me lie 10-4 on the Cancer-Capricorn axis & my needs are for a home life so need to sacrifice profession for it.....In fact I was told that perhaps I might NOT have a Career at all since my emotional/family needs are higher so with neptune on MC I might just give up on everything readily.

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The houses that the Nodes are in are far more important. With the 4th and 10th involved, you may find yourself more attracted towards career than home (at least now). Later the Sun (focus) in the 4th (home/family) could take over. However, to sacrifice one for the other is not what these constellations say, per se. It's more finding a balance between the two. As to Nep on the MC, I have already explained how Nep can pan out. Nep does not mean sacrificing the career front altogether. It could mean that sacrifice/social service/reaching out to help others is part of your profession (doesn't medicine always involve that somehow).

How do I resolve the conflict between what I want & what I'm SUPPOSED To get? In respect to the fact that I want a Career in Medicine even though I'm naturally brilliant with psychology but don't wish to go in that direction.

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Pardon my not understanding the meaning of the first sentence in the immediate above quote: "supposed to get"?
If you want a career in medicine, and your family can fund it/or you can get a scholarship, then forget about everything anyone has ever told you against it, and go ahead: live your dream. If, however, you feel you are "naturally brilliant" at psychology, ask your (inner) self in all honesty, what is stopping you from not taking it up as a profession. If it is disinterest, then don't waste another thought over it.

Hence, the "right path for you to go" (for us all, in fact) is to do what you really want to do for the right reasons, and as per the means available. And, with Nep in the 10th to stick to the decision once taken. Nep is good at putting one in double mind once too often.

With Jup on your IC-MC axis, and Pluto going over your 10th, with some long-term thinking about career (Jup) and determination (Plu), you should be able to find a break soon. Btw, you have the makings for both: Psychology (8th house planets, with Jup ruling your MC), and surgery (Mars rules higher education along with Plu) and also 8th house planets. Prog Moon on the 8th also favours both. It's your call.

Best
AQ7

Sentient0ne said:

With the NN in Cancer, you need to develop empathy, humility, an honest disclosure of your own feelings and insecurities. You need to notice and validate your feelings, nuture and support others and stay focused in yor own feelings.
SN in Capricorn shows what we need to leave behind, such as the need to control everything and everyone, the compulsion to take charge, ingnoring the process and being too focused on the goal.

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Perhaps the challenge of the nodal axis may be more to bring into balance the call of the NN and the knowing of the SN, rather than to leave one behind in favor of the other...

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This is the Vedic One from an online site. If there's something you can tell, please PM, I'm really frustrated trying to crack a solution now.

Thank You

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Okay, that chart is the one I'm looking at, but the dasha periods are different to the ones you mentioned. Even looking in tropical, I don't get Venus.

Actually the period is Jupiter/Mercury, my bad.

I'm not sure what I can tell, I'm at the stage where each chart I look at is an alien landscape that needs to be thoroughly explored.

I'm not an expert, but I think I can see a little of what's going on.

Mercury rules 5 and 8, so I think the activation of the 8th house is a problem, particularly the Moon in Virgo. 8th house moon brings emotional sensitivity and internal turmoil and turbulence.

Your moon could use some help. I would attempt to ground myself with meditation, yoga, or other forms of relaxation exercises.

You might try herbal support if it's an option. Avoid drinking milk.

Jupiter and Mercury are in a 6/8 (inconjunct) relationship, and this is another source of tension. There's a lot of conflict operating at once right now.

I think that with your 10th, 1st and 6th ruler all in the 8th house, and Mars ruling Scorpio (10), surgery and psychology both seem somewhat appropriate. The thing that tips me toward a more 'mentalised' diving under the surface would be Mercury ruling Mars and aspecting the 10th. But I have no idea. I wouldn't worry about it too much, they all seem suitable.

How do I resolve the conflict between what I want & what I'm SUPPOSED To get?

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Easy to say but hard to do. Acceptance of what is and having patience and working persistently (without forcing it) for arriving at what you want. Everything happens in time.

If that is true, can someone tell me what way is right? According to Vedic I was told that I'm going through the Venus Dasas which is good but the rest of my life will get difficult ahead in the coming 3-4 years once this glorious phase is over.

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Does this period feel glorious? Contrary to that advice, I rather think that once this Mercury bhukti is over, things will feel a lot less uncomfortable.

I think that if you can anchor your moon, most of the other things will be just a matter of riding out the tension/conflict/confusion/unclarity until the fog lifts, and options that make sense present themselves.

The best thing for a damaged moon is a serious meditation practice.

Moog said:

Easy to say but hard to do. Acceptance of what is and having patience and working persistently (without forcing it) for arriving at what you want. Everything happens in time.

Does this period feel glorious? Contrary to that advice, I rather think that once this Mercury bhukti is over, things will feel a lot less uncomfortable.
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Thanks so much Moog. I don't know what is meant by glorious time period because I've been going through immense internal changes & have gone through the highest highs to the lowest lows. As you all have been around my posts on Suicidal thoughts too.
It's nice to know Mars aspects my 10 in some way. I always moaned about having a weak Mars & not having a CHART of a surgeon. But really this helped put things a bit easy.

JUPITERASC said:

Important to distinguish between NEEDS and WANTS Blackempress

As you are familiar with psychology I have attached a reminder of 'Maslow's Hierarchy Of Needs' sourced from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Maslow

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Thank you. Studied this while I was browsing over the Psychology books & undoubtedly I'm at the top! (with the Love section missing though).

Sentient0ne said:

You need to do what is totally honest for you, not what is 'socially acceptable'. Things do not have to be diffcult in order to be important.

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Social Acceptance is not an issue for a 9th house Uranus. Least of all with the Aries Tr, I love being a rebel!
But the Nodes do need to be assimilated thoroughly. Gonna think over this one through.

Social Acceptance is not an issue for a 9th house Uranus. Least of all with the Aries Tr, I love being a rebel!
But the Nodes do need to be assimilated thoroughly. Gonna think over this one through.[/QUOTE]

That same rebeliousness will pull you more towards the need to be in control then the introspective acknowledgement and acceptance of one's emotional side.
But then, a little rebeliousness isn't a bad thing

Maybe with the 4th/10th house axis invoving NN/SN, I would think maybe you will bring this axis into harmony by perhaps being self employed and working from home, doing what you love careerwise from the home enviroment?
With psychology, this could be possible, having your own practise?
Why not do both?
Is that possible? see what your heart wants, try for surgery, try it, do it and maybe psych will come later or not at all?
Maybe specialise psych with children, this feels very cancer NN.

IleneK said:

I do not see this at all as a matter of having to choose between career or home, or even necessarily changing your career path. I do see this as a matter of beginning to cease habitual "push[ing] past," not just your emotional needs, but your feeling life almost entirely in favor of your thinking/intellectual life. Pushing past your feeling life, with the powerful and profound kinds of pressure that transiting Uranus and Pluto are and will continue to place on your Sun in Cancer squared by Mars, and your North Node in Cancer, seems not to accommodate the intent of Uranus to bring radical change and Pluto to reveal the unadulterated truth.

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That made me think. You're right bout the Uranus Sq Sun Opp Mars being in high charge but I see myself independent now that I haven't been for all the years before. I feel confident & in-charge of MYSELF & able to stand for what I believe in. The individuality process is finally showing colors. But I'm feeling frustrated & restricted in a way.

Politically correct that I see my emotional needs & am addressing them assertively through people who can cater & am learning to feel emotions without being exploited. So yea, that's Pluto-Uranus upto their Truth/Depth Schemes.

aquarius7000 said:

Hello Empress,

I will start by giving you some general pointers to the question you put up last in your post, and I will be as frank as I can, so that the answer helps you.

Ask yourself: What is it I really want to do every (week) day of my life, at least 5 days a week, for many years on end?

Neptune, for a person with Piscean Asc could mean social service/ helping others is connected with career. Combining it all, as an example, it could mean you fulfilling your dream and becoming a surgeon, but also maybe not charging the real needy that cannot pay (Jup is benevolence, rules your MC, and Nep is charity, conjunct your MC). With Jup (overseas) on your MC (career/outside world), it could also mean going overseas in regard to your career. An example again would be, with the involvement of Nep, if a person with such a constellation were to go abroad (say, Africa) to help the really needy. And, with Gem on your IC, Mer in Gem and in opp to Sag Ura, and Ura in the 9th (overseas), you should have no difficulties in 'moving home' abroad.


The houses that the Nodes are in are far more important. With the 4th and 10th involved, you may find yourself more attracted towards career than home (at least now). Later the Sun (focus) in the 4th (home/family) could take over. However, to sacrifice one for the other is not what these constellations say, per se. It's more finding a balance between the two. As to Nep on the MC, I have already explained how Nep can pan out. Nep does not mean sacrificing the career front altogether. It could mean that sacrifice/social service/reaching out to help others is part of your profession (doesn't medicine always involve that somehow).


Pardon my not understanding the meaning of the first sentence in the immediate above quote: "supposed to get"?
If you want a career in medicine, and your family can fund it/or you can get a scholarship, then forget about everything anyone has ever told you against it, and go ahead: live your dream. If, however, you feel you are "naturally brilliant" at psychology, ask your (inner) self in all honesty, what is stopping you from not taking it up as a profession. If it is disinterest, then don't waste another thought over it.


With Jup on your IC-MC axis, and Pluto going over your 10th, with some long-term thinking about career (Jup) and determination (Plu), you should be able to find a break soon. Btw, you have the makings for both: Psychology (8th house planets, with Jup ruling your MC), and surgery (Mars rules higher education along with Plu) and also 8th house planets. Prog Moon on the 8th also favours both. It's your call.

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Wonderful address to the problem! Literally turned my down-mouth up!

This is quite a consolation to know that my chart favors both & really having a major career in medicine with a part-time Psycho-therapy (Now including Divination) was a childhood dream. Surgery is something I really enjoy. I'm good at diagnostics & enjoy my work. It's the exams that's killing me at the moment.

Correctly stated, I love Pediatric fields whether it's surgery or psychiatry or medicine itself, it's the heart of my heart to see children better. So either field would land me there.

The satiating point mentioned was the need to balance & NOT GIVE UP. I'd rather have both being I feel dead without either. As for the Neptune, doctor's position is well stated by it & exactly what you wrote 'charity work' is something I plan on doing as a surgeon for those who can't afford but need it.

Going abroad is a DREAM & the way you analyse is something I'm hoping works out because I'd been dying to flee from my country since years & I'll jump for any opportunity except that medicine for IMGs is always a problem.

My 'moodiness' sometimes makes me see life bleakly & that's how I end up interpreting my chart- destiny's programmed so a Loser will end up as a Loser no matter what happens. The Neptune despite being Ruler of my 1st house has always freaked me esp Conj MC that I might end up as a hermit & do nothing substantial with anything I've acquired.

Sentient0ne said:

That same rebeliousness will pull you more towards the need to be in control then the introspective acknowledgement and acceptance of one's emotional side.
But then, a little rebeliousness isn't a bad thing

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Haha.. I think You're right. Thanks for the Point-out, it's gonna make me retreat on that stance.

I cee said:

Why not do both?
Is that possible? see what your heart wants, try for surgery, try it, do it and maybe psych will come later or not at all?
Maybe specialise psych with children, this feels very cancer NN.

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Hope I don't end up working from home but the rest, I do wish works out in my favor- doing both & esp with children.
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Blackempress said:

That made me think. You're right bout the Uranus Sq Sun Opp Mars being in high charge but I see myself just stand independently now that I haven't been able to do for all the years before. I feel confident & in-charge of MYSELF & able to stand for what I believe in. The individuality process is finally showing colors. But I'm feeling frustrated & restricted in a way.

Politically correct that I see my emotional needs & am addressing them assertively through people who can cater & am learning to feel emotions without being exploited. So yea, that's Pluto-Uranus upto their Truth/Depth Schemes.

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This is really good work, BE. Pluto and Uranus are doing their work on my Sun Moon Venus Chiron, in a key planetary configuration in my chart, so I am with you in spirit during this powerful and life-changing period.

IleneK said:

Pluto and Uranus are doing their work on my Sun Moon Venus Chiron, in a key planetary configuration in my chart, so I am with you in spirit during this powerful and life-changing period.

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Best of Luck Babe!

While you're making this very important decision, BRE, go easier on yourself, please? Neptune at the MC might send some people into a cave forever--it could have done that for me, I'm pretty sure.

But for you, Neptune conjunct your MC gives imagination and idealism. You will project your dreams outward in your career, with Sagittarius' intelligent passion. This echoes strongly with what you wrote earlier, about wanting to see children get better. I think this positive energy would help children, their families and caregivers a lot!

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While you're making this very important decision, BRE, go easier on yourself, please? Neptune at the MC might send some people into a cave forever--it could have done that for me, I'm pretty sure.

But for you, Neptune conjunct your MC gives imagination and idealism. You will project your dreams outward in your career, with Sagittarius' intelligent passion. This echoes strongly with what you wrote earlier, about wanting to see children get better. I think this positive energy would help children, their families and caregivers a lot!

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It's the PATH to go that's the issue but thanks for the advise. I'm hoping the Saturn-Jupiter Trine by Nov starts clearing the fog for me. Thank you.

Hello Blackempress. I scanned this post and found it interesting. I can empathize.

I will try to abridge your quandary so that it is easier to understand, and then you can tell me if I have understood your dilemma, your impasse at this fork in the road.

You are a recent medical school graduate and have had difficulty with your USMLE. This difficulty has affected your career. Moreover, you are undecided about what area of medicine you wish to utilize your talents in, whether you will become a pediatric surgeon or---and I am unsure how psychology will play a role---become a psychiatrist. Of course, your adroitness with psychology need not manifest itself in a field primarily based on psychology. As a surgeon, psychology plays a pivotal role in patients requiring surgery, in the pre-operation stage and in the post-operation stage, when you will have to follow up with patients, encouraging their attitude and dealing with the malaise that always follows such a traumatic shock to the body and way of life. Medicine truly is a holistic practice, and a doctor with a pleasant bedside manner will always be in demand, but I digress.

Neptune at the zenith of your chart leaves you wondering. And though you did not mention it, I am sure your Saturn and Mars in your natal chart leave you just as worried about your "emotional life." Nevertheless, I do believe you have nothing to fear. Regardless as to whatever stumbling blocks you find in your chart---whether they be from your transiting planets or those stuck with you for life---they can be made into stepping stones, ones that will allow you to leap over whatever hurdles have been laid on your path.

I see Pluto as a planet that is making you more self-aware about the state of your career. In fact, you can thank Pluto for "persuading" you to post this question. Normally it would make you really focus on your career, but since you are in a state of confusion, it is influencing you to heartily evaluate which direction you need to travel. Its influence seems to be one that impedes the optimism that often comes with a Neptunium influence. Neptune can make a person an idealist, and though such optimism is a commendable quality, it sometimes can lead to disappointment when plans made in a state of optimism are suddenly seen under the light of realism, when that Neptunium mist evaporates.

Now to the point: Your love life is surely important. And I am sure you wish to see it flourish since you have likely been in a relational desert during your years as a medical student and beyond (perhaps). You may have difficulty in this area. I imagine your relationships have the quality of suddenly appearing and, just as suddenly, disappearing. You may have a tendency to be emotionally volatile, perhaps being angered easily with your loved one, maybe jealous to a fault. I do not want to focus on the negative, however. Your passion and ability to control the negative qualities work to your advantage, and will most likely help you keep a lasting relationship. But it is important for everyone to find their footing. And what I mean by this is that it is necessary to solidify and cement your career. By doing this, you will alleviate the angst of feeling adrift. It will allow you to feel centered and improve how you regard yourself. This will enable you to attract the other facets into your life, such as Seventh House issues. You will find yourself in an emotional state of equilibrium, which will allow you to build your social life and make it work for you.

And as I alluded to earlier, the world needs surgeons. And surgeons need to understand the psychology of their patients. In doing so, a surgeon becomes a doctor of considerable worth, who will help many people---or children, as the case might be. Medicine and psychology can have a wonderful synergistic relationship.

I hope this helps.