Who am i?

three M symbols

Well-known member
Hi
The important question is not who you are. The question is : what are you identifying to? Because those things you are identifying to are not your identity.
(and you are not your thoughts either)

I have two similar placements in my chart :
- Sun in 11th house and Virgo
- Mercury in 12th house and Libra

Both are kind of "tricky".
Mercury in 12th house is prone to anxiety, depression, phobias, paranoia and all those stuffs, because 12th house rules mental health (also as imagination and illusions). You keep a lot of your thoughts and ideas hidden, because 12th house is hidden. A lot of your thoughts can seems "illogical" in this reality to other people, so you prefer to keep them for you, and then you feel stupid because you don't express all your intellectual potential. You could have some easiness to write. Easiness to make link between hidden concepts, and symbolic things. Mercury in 12th house want to eat spiritual things, he is strong at it. You can also have psychic abilities, and easiness to understand other people emotions. You know how to be diplomat, how to do compromises in order to not create conflicts. (both are Libra traits)

Sun in 11th house is always defined as "being someone popular" in astrology articles. The reason why is because 11th house rules groups and friendship. You will define your identity (your sun), according to your belonging with groups and 11th house things. 11th house also rules marginal people, unknown people, unknown things and places, astrology, science, internet. Ideas, concepts, wishes and projects.
11th house wound is feeling rejected (as a marginal), or rejecting people.
You fit better with people that are like you. (a lot of common point, common point of view on life and things, same interests, etc..), but you can feel bad with people that are too different from you. Because Virgo here analyze a lot, and is a discriminative sign. (Searching the differences to separate yourself from people, rather than searching the common points to associate. - But maybe it's different for you, because you are a Libra ASC (I'm a Scorpio ASC, that is a discriminative sign too, and I also have Virgo Moon..)
Some traits the Sun in 11th give, are the ability to treat all people like your equal (even if it can be superficial sometimes). Abilities for astrology and some marginal things like that. But you can see yourself as a marginal, and so you don't feel you belong to any group. Virgo Sun is perfectionnist, and has other Virgo traits (intellectual, you think a lot, are good at learning things, searching solutions, seeing details, you like to help people, etc..)

I won't talk about other placements, because I don't have them and I'm too lazy to analyze a chart today :joyful:
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hello. I realized that when you want a reading on this forum
without exploiting emotions, people don't volunteer so much.

I don't have a daughter who was born yesterday, or
I haven't lost my job recently.
Well.
I just have a sadness that never goes between my ribs.
I have an inner voice that tells me that I am inadequate, stupid, wrong
whenever I meet with people.
I have been preparing for university for 3 years. exactly 3 years.
If I had read it, I would be 2nd grade now.
But I'm lazy and I'm running away work even this year.
I work at home this year.
I have only my family around.
I'm alone out of them.
And I'm fine.
When I have to go somewhere, when I have to get out of that safe place,
a screaming begins that never stops in my brain.
Being with people is a torture for me.
I am laughing every time but i am sad inside.
The house is beautiful but like a lattice.
I hate cage and can't be with others.
I just want to go unlimited.
I always liked the concept of death. My best friend died when I was 16.
I didn't feel anything. I did not cry. Yes. This is me.
if google translate can translate well.
our forum is not intended as a place to receive detailed, expert free readings :smile:
instead
response are often from complete beginners
members are encouraged to learn how to interpret natal charts
including their own
however
our forum has no clearly defined study structure
members learn by practice and reading threads
I just want to understand if this endless grief will end.
Can I express myself right? Who should I be?
Will I lose my love of myself when I am with people again?
Will am i happy one day?
I would be glad if you write an answer.
IF your time of birth is accurate and reliable
THEN
these questions may be better explored on our traditional board
at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=92
for example

Medieval astrology has some interesting techniques
which are helpful for considering such questions
Check out JA's natal delineation in another thread.
It's accurate, intelligent, and succinct,
with an eclectic style that combines tradition with the world today.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=427658&postcount=27
Hi tsmall, it's worth mentioning that traditionally in Medieval astrology when examining the profession, it's routine to commence with the 1st - as well as 10th - because the Elemental Quality of the Ascendant Sign is a useful indicator of the Primary Motivation of the native :smile:

In this case the Elemental Quality of the Ascendant Sign is Tropical Earth. Earth signs need physical security.


Capricorn is one of the four Cardinal signs and Cardinal signs are the most active so Cardinal Capricorn works tirelessly – although usually in circumstances and an environment that has already been structured by others.


Saturn, Ruler as well as Almuten of the ascendant is in own Triplicity in 5th - finding Ruler of 1st in 5th indicates that the person seeks to fulfil their primary motivation through Entertainment or Children - or both. Another association with 5th house is gambling and on that note Jupiter is separating from direct opposition with Saturn.


Mercury, domicile ruler and Almuten of the degree in which Saturn is located is in 10th in domicile of Mars. Interestingly, the Exalted ruler of the Capricorn ascendant is Mars who is also the domicile ruler of the MC, furthermore Mars is located in the domicile of Saturn, thus linking the Primary Motivation of the native to their Career. It is frequently said that the Almuten and Exalted ruler are almost as significant as the domicile ruler - sometimes even more so.


Planets aspecting the Ascendant represent powers the native can use in the world and this person has a powerful Exalted Taurus Moon strongly angular in 4th, trining their ascendant and assisting/joining with the Primal Motivation drive towards physical security. Moon is domicile ruler of 7th thus linking partnerships of all kinds - including business or marriage - to the Primal Motivation drive as well as to the career AND the home. Furthermore, Venus, domicile ruler of Taurus is located in Mars domicile in 10th and is another connector linking the home to the career via 4th house/10th planets.
A need for Emotional Security is added to the Primal Motivation drive by Sun, Mercury and Venus aspecting the Ascendant by Sign from Tropical Scorpio. Fixed signs have a need to center and to acquire - in this case emotional security is sought via Career, the Home, Children in general, Entertainment. Exalted Ascendant ruler Mars forms part of the intricate weave as Mars is also domicile ruler of MC

In order to achieve their Primary Motivation, one would expect this person's Career to link Physical security, Emotional Security, Entertainment, Children and the Home. This person is likely to enjoy being with kids in general/being a performer/being creative and/or being a parent.

Furthermore according to Egyptian Terms, Jupiter, bound ruler of the ascendant is in domicile and located in 11th house of friends
. Wames said:

The Jupiter in sect and domicile and the only personal planet in an active fire sign is intriguing and it influences the 12th house. This could be someone that is in medicine/a healer but could also be an indication of a veterinarian or someone working with animals.
Jupiter is also the Exalted ruler of 7th and as such links to partnerships whether business, legal, marriage and so on and is another link via those significations to the Career as well as the Home of this person

If you do not write, I will delete this article.

It wouldn't be surprising to me. If you are going to answer, please do not quote.

My soul is very obvious and that's why I am uncomfortable.
I will delete it anyway. Thanks for all.









 

three M symbols

Well-known member
The message said "If you are going to answer, please do not quote", Jupiterasc
why do you quote a message you hadn't even read?
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
The message said "If you are going to answer, please do not quote", Jupiterasc
the fact is responses are freely given by members
no one is paid
there is no format for learning on our forum :smile:
and beginners may be unaware that
a sensible way to learn astrology
is from reading other threads
if the person is not reading a particular thread
then that person misses out on learning
 

three M symbols

Well-known member
But the chart is a personal information that belongs to the person.
If the person ask "do not quote", please respect this will.

Because then, he/she will have to ask moderators to close the thread, because deleting his/her message won't delete all personal infos you quoted against his/her will..
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
But the chart is a personal information
that belongs to the person.
If the person ask "do not quote", please respect this will.
Because then, he/she will have to ask moderators to close the thread,
because deleting his/her message
won't delete all personal infos you quoted against his/her will..
all members are politely asked to: "Please read the rules of our forum"
why do you quote a message you hadn't even read?
ON THE CONTRARY

it is the OP who "has not even read" our forum rules

because our rules clearly state as follows:

'.....This forum is dedicated to astrology
bringing together beginners and advanced practitioners
of this ancient art.

This is a Public Forum :smile:

and everyone must take responsibility
for restricting what they share to their own comfort level.

We can't control people's sense of boundaries or lack thereof.

This forum is NOT appropriate for confidential sharing
and we strongly warn everyone that
this is NOT an appropriate place to expect confidentiality.

We are NOT responsible for members' posting decisions
and cleaning up their posts if they overshare.....'
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php
 
these are very specific questions
ideal for posting on our horary board :smile:
at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisp.php?f=42


I have nothing to say to you. You are just talking about the rules. When you do something just because the rules are like this, you will not do the right thing. What did your heart say about this? Kant says that "two things are incredible, the starry sky above us and the moral law within us." I think this is rude.
 

kshantaram

Premium Member
I just have a sadness that never goes between my ribs.

I have an inner voice that tells me that I am inadequate, stupid, wrong whenever I meet with people.

I have been preparing for university for 3 years. exactly 3 years. If I had read it, I would be 2nd grade now.
But I'm lazy and I'm running away work even this year. I work at home this year.

I have only my family around. I'm alone out of them. And I'm fine.

When I have to go somewhere, when I have to get out of that safe place, a screaming begins that never stops in my brain.
Being with people is a torture for me. I am laughing every time but i am sad inside.

The house is beautiful but like a lattice. I hate cage and can't be with others. I just want to go unlimited.

I always liked the concept of death. My best friend died when I was 16.
I didn't feel anything. I did not cry. Yes. This is me.

if google translate can translate well. I just want to understand if this endless grief will end.
Can I express myself right? Who should I be? Will I lose my love of myself when I am with people again?
Will am i happy one day?

I would be glad if you write an answer.




Libra ascendant, lazy, sociable, objective, fair, stormy anger when provoked;

Asc lord venus with 9th lord mer over libra 12th
seeking comfort n prosperity in foreign lands, possessive spouse,
literary-oratory-astro-pharma aptitudes;

mer lord 11th over 12th gains from foreign lands;
venus lord 8th over 12th success amidst adversity;

wear 0.25 carat diamond over platinum pendant touching heart,
alongwith emerald for mercury;


Rahu NNode 9th cancer for foreign travels-pilgrimage,
learning to be sensitive, secular attitude towards religion;
could be inclined to northern continents, regions, countries;


Moon-ketu separative SNode cap 3rd,
hyper-ambitious n hardworking, practical, accident prone,
detachment from siblings n environment,
aptitude for textiles/garment stitching etc;

Jup-sat-ketu now transit moon-ketu 3rd, seeking change/transfer;
pain-injury-surgery arms-shoulders-ears-knees-chest-lungs etc;


prayers to Mother Goddess, offer red flowers at the alter at home sat evenings.


rahu now transit natal rahu 9th cancer for foreign travels-pilgrimage;


Moon-rahu opp, rise-fall in life, prayers for ancestors,
observe fast No moon evenings, observe death anniversaries religiously;
wear brown hessonite over pendant touching heart;



Mars lord 7th over 10th leo, leo inimical for liba asc,
aptitude for operations management/hospital admin etc and
career success-recognition under stress-delays;
supportive but dominating spouse; marriage-vocation under stress-delays;

prone to heart-stomach-knee inflammations;
Offer red flowers at the alter at home sun mornings;

mars aspect own scorpio 2nd, supportive of research-occult-forensics
but not good for health of family members;


10th lord sun over virgo 11th, gains from career, critical thinking,
good for audit-quality control-editorial-health care roles,
gains from govt-corporates-social elite;
wear ruby over sun finger for gains;

jup-sat lords 4/5 over gemini 8th, prosperity through
business analytical research, economics research, stingy,

chronic chest-lungs-liver-piles-urological health issues;
jup aspect own sag 2nd supportive of family-finances;

prayers to saint of faith, offer yellow flowers wed mornings;
observe fast sat evenings;


hope get clues to reflect upon, share salient feedbacks
how true-insightful-helpful
traits-talents-health-life trends-Remedies-ideas to pick etc etc
making meaning out of the reading,
which could be interesting to learn of!



wishing you well, kshantaram
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
I have nothing to say to you.
then say nothing
You are just talking about the rules.

When you do something just because the rules are like this,
you will not do the right thing.
so now you are encouraging people to not abide by rules
and yet

Rules are commonplace - tax rules, voting rules, driving rules, exam rules
and so on
and
if we ignore rules there are often serious consequences :smile:

those who ignore our forum rules are taking a risk
in contrast
"Doing the right thing" is an issue of ethics
many threads on our forum concern ethics discussion
that clearly would interest you
for example
It is not unusual for members to request information
regarding astrological prediction of
their possible future relationship prospects.
Asking a relationship Horary question
is a popular method of seeking answers/advice to such questions :smile:
Obviously then, because anyone may well be justifiably depressed/upset

if they were told that their future relationship prospects are nil/negligible/unlikely
- and given that

not everyone believes in astrology and many are simply curious -
and since

many have implicit belief that the astrologer in particular
is qualified to tell them their future relationship prospects
THEN
(A) are astrologers morally justified
in predicting that future relationship prospects are nil/negligible/unlikely
if that is their opinion of the chart in question?
AND IF
an astrologer may have led a client to believe
in a definite prospect/likelihood of a relationship
within the next few months or so
AND THEN NO SUCH PROSPECTS OCCURRED
and the client became depressed
Then
(B) are astrologers morally justified
in predicting that future relationship prospects are excellent?
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68195&highlight=morality
What did your heart say about this?
Kant says that "two things are incredible, the starry sky above us
and the moral law within us."
I think this is rude.
you are entitled to your opinion
and so is Kant

and to be fair
everyone else is entitled to their opinion also :smile:
clearly
IF any member does not wish to display
their personal natal chart
then that member may choose not to
however
obviously if no natal chart is provided
then it's not possible to provide any delineation
and so
for a personal private confidential reading
everyone has the option of
consulting and paying a professional astrologer

To be clear then
too post a natal chart on a public forum
whose rules clearly state
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php
'.....This is a Public Forum
and everyone must take responsibility
for restricting what they share to their own comfort level.
We can't control people's sense of boundaries or lack thereof.
This forum is NOT appropriate for confidential sharing
and we strongly warn everyone that
this is NOT an appropriate place to expect confidentiality.
We are NOT responsible for members' posting decisions
and cleaning up their posts if they overshare.....'
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Libra ascendant, lazy, sociable, objective, fair, stormy anger when provoked;

Asc lord venus with 9th lord mer over libra 12th
seeking comfort n prosperity in foreign lands, possessive spouse,
literary-oratory-astro-pharma aptitudes;

mer lord 11th over 12th gains from foreign lands;
venus lord 8th over 12th success amidst adversity;

wear 0.25 carat diamond over platinum pendant touching heart,
alongwith emerald for mercury;

Rahu NNode 9th cancer for foreign travels-pilgrimage,
learning to be sensitive, secular attitude towards religion;
could be inclined to northern continents, regions, countries;


Moon-ketu separative SNode cap 3rd,
hyper-ambitious n hardworking, practical, accident prone,
detachment from siblings n environment,
aptitude for textiles/garment stitching etc;

Jup-sat-ketu now transit moon-ketu 3rd, seeking change/transfer;
pain-injury-surgery arms-shoulders-ears-knees-chest-lungs etc;


prayers to Mother Goddess, offer red flowers at the alter at home sat evenings.


rahu now transit natal rahu 9th cancer for foreign travels-pilgrimage;


Moon-rahu opp, rise-fall in life, prayers for ancestors,
observe fast No moon evenings, observe death anniversaries religiously;
wear brown hessonite over pendant touching heart;



Mars lord 7th over 10th leo, leo inimical for liba asc,
aptitude for operations management/hospital admin etc and
career success-recognition under stress-delays;
supportive but dominating spouse; marriage-vocation under stress-delays;

prone to heart-stomach-knee inflammations;
Offer red flowers at the alter at home sun mornings;

mars aspect own scorpio 2nd, supportive of research-occult-forensics
but not good for health of family members;


10th lord sun over virgo 11th, gains from career, critical thinking,
good for audit-quality control-editorial-health care roles,
gains from govt-corporates-social elite;
wear ruby over sun finger for gains;

jup-sat lords 4/5 over gemini 8th, prosperity through
business analytical research, economics research, stingy,

chronic chest-lungs-liver-piles-urological health issues;
jup aspect own sag 2nd supportive of family-finances;

prayers to saint of faith, offer yellow flowers wed mornings;
observe fast sat evenings;


hope get clues to reflect upon, share salient feedbacks
how true-insightful-helpful
traits-talents-health-life trends-Remedies-ideas to pick etc etc
making meaning out of the reading,
which could be interesting to learn of!




wishing you well, kshantaram
Generously given

a free reading, as ever full of good information :smile:
 
then say nothing

so now you are encouraging people to not abide by rules
and yet

Rules are commonplace - tax rules, voting rules, driving rules, exam rules
and so on
and
if we ignore rules there are often serious consequences :smile:

those who ignore our forum rules are taking a risk
in contrast
"Doing the right thing" is an issue of ethics
many threads on our forum concern ethics discussion
that clearly would interest you
for example

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68195&highlight=morality

you are entitled to your opinion
and so is Kant

and to be fair
everyone else is entitled to their opinion also :smile:
clearly
IF any member does not wish to display
their personal natal chart
then that member may choose not to
however
obviously if no natal chart is provided
then it's not possible to provide any delineation
and so
for a personal private confidential reading
everyone has the option of
consulting and paying a professional astrologer

To be clear then
too post a natal chart on a public forum
whose rules clearly state
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php
'.....This is a Public Forum
and everyone must take responsibility
for restricting what they share to their own comfort level.
We can't control people's sense of boundaries or lack thereof.
This forum is NOT appropriate for confidential sharing
and we strongly warn everyone that
this is NOT an appropriate place to expect confidentiality.
We are NOT responsible for members' posting decisions
and cleaning up their posts if they overshare.....'

last night someone commented on me here badly. He said I was a troll and I should be an actor. and I asked why, but you deleted these messages. Because I guess you did not want to have a fight and noise in the forum. So why are you now the cause of fight and noise? Why not delete this title completely? Why did you delete the first messages if you are not obliged to clean them? And I just did a wrong job because I asked you not to quote. You can clean whatever you want whenever you want, and I have this freedom about my own sharing. There's nothing big enough to require discussion, and there's no disrespect to engage in it, except you do. Now if I replace the first post with something disrespectful, you will have to delete it. I don't want to do this. I don't understand why I was pushed into this. And I find this discussion very unnecessary.
 

three M symbols

Well-known member
Thanks for your feedback
I think physical appearance belongs more too ASC than Sun.

11th house is an house that give us the love of freedom.
Maybe too much sometimes ^^

The will to associate is a Libra ASC trait ^^
Venus ruler of your ASC is in 12th house, and 12th house cusp is Libra.
My 12th house cups is Libra too. One of my first will during the begining of my life was to find a bestfriend, but people disappointed me and it was never mutual. When I think "this person is my bestfriend", he or she had another one. And when someone considered me as his/her bestfriend, it was not my case.

So, a lot of hardships and illusions (12th house things) could be caused by other people (in 1-1 association). But Venus like to be there. domicile in Libra & exalted in your 12th house.

Otherwise, I think the reason why you are interested by the concept of "death" is because of your Jupiter & Saturn in 8th house. Because 8th house represent death and taboo things. And they are well aspected (with those grand trines), so you live this interest in a good way. They are also in Gemini, the sign of learning
 

kshantaram

Premium Member
Appreciate your prompt summary critique, sun virgo!
differentiating between knee inflammations n knee calcification.
Glad you did not find the generic reading as bad.

You could be lazy with yourself but otherwise hard working
or the plodding capricon ambitious to reach the top bit by bit
strenuously;

May be you could comment in feedback
on the balance planets and paras how true-untrue etc,
may be there is more to share;

Hope you found clues to your own intrapsychic personality conflicts
in terms of the need to remain detached alike moon-ketu,
the shy critical self-conscious perfectionist sun virgo 11th for friends etc,
mars struggle over the inimical pitch leo 10th for performance,
success and recognition under stress-delays;
while rahu cancer 9th learning to be secular n sensitive
with the current transit moreover;
while having aptitude for functional literary-oratory aptitudes
in a structured situation as invited speaker-teacher etc,
while jup-sat gemini aptitude for economics, analytical research etc,

libra asc seeking sociability and balance yet withdrawn into the 12th house
for isolation, jails, hospitals, international affairs etc,
while separative ketu transits natal moon-ketu
seeking detachment from the environment;

moon-rahu opp tending to rise-fall in life and calling for prayers,
while various other remedies have been suggested to overcome or gain;

wishing you well again as you blossom into life with awareness,
being fair to yourself, while accepting the challenges, learning with life,
building on your inventory of talents being yourself without being
over critical with self or others;


kshantaram
 
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kshantaram

Premium Member
Libra ascendant, lazy, sociable, objective, fair, stormy anger when provoked;

Asc lord venus with 9th lord mer over libra 12th
seeking comfort n prosperity in foreign lands, possessive spouse,
literary-oratory-astro-pharma aptitudes;

mer lord 11th over 12th gains from foreign lands;
venus lord 8th over 12th success amidst adversity;

wear 0.25 carat diamond over platinum pendant touching heart,
alongwith emerald for mercury;


Rahu NNode 9th cancer for foreign travels-pilgrimage,
learning to be sensitive, secular attitude towards religion;
could be inclined to northern continents, regions, countries;


Moon-ketu separative SNode cap 3rd,
hyper-ambitious n hardworking, practical, accident prone,
detachment from siblings n environment,
aptitude for textiles/garment stitching etc;

Jup-sat-ketu now transit moon-ketu 3rd, seeking change/transfer;
pain-injury-surgery arms-shoulders-ears-knees-chest-lungs etc;


prayers to Mother Goddess, offer red flowers at the alter at home sat evenings.


rahu now transit natal rahu 9th cancer for foreign travels-pilgrimage;


Moon-rahu opp, rise-fall in life,

prayers for ancestors,
observe fast No moon evenings, observe death anniversaries religiously;
wear brown hessonite over pendant touching heart;



Mars lord 7th over 10th leo, leo inimical for liba asc,
aptitude for operations management/hospital admin etc and
career success-recognition under stress-delays;
supportive but dominating spouse; marriage-vocation under stress-delays;

prone to heart-stomach-knee inflammations;
Offer red flowers at the alter at home sun mornings;

mars aspect own scorpio 2nd, supportive of research-occult-forensics
but not good for health of family members;


10th lord sun over virgo 11th, gains from career, critical thinking,
good for audit-quality control-editorial-health care roles,
gains from govt-corporates-social elite;
wear ruby over sun finger for gains;


jup-sat lords 4/5 over gemini 8th, prosperity through
business analytical research, economics research, stingy,

chronic chest-lungs-liver-piles-urological health issues;
jup aspect own sag 2nd supportive of family-finances;

prayers to saint of faith, offer yellow flowers wed mornings;
observe fast sat evenings;


hope get clues to reflect upon, share salient feedbacks
how true-insightful-helpful
traits-talents-health-life trends-Remedies-ideas to pick etc etc
making meaning out of the reading,
which could be interesting to learn of!



wishing you well, kshantaram
 
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