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Unread 10-14-2019, 05:26 AM
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That was going to be my question originally actually - how long does it take for hindsight to sharpen to 20/20 where these large astrological events are concerned? Then discovered the freaky thing regarding partition, which took 5 days (!) to become reality after the papers were submitted.

Partition killed 1 million people and formed 2 nuclear powers. Not localized, if not visible.
The play on words is "Hindsight will be 2020 vision, after this next one".
The approach of the change in tropical Ages, in Taurus, and Neptune in Pisces, are all unique this time around. I would be extremely surprised if the Saturn/Pluto conj is a non-event, but what it will result in seems unclear. So many things that could go wrong!

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Nice question. I would think, a technology primarily oriented towards consciousness. What’s your definition?
It's a feeling. Something amazingly good happening for no apparent reason.
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It's a four-way Conjunction, Jan. 12, 2020. Sun and Mercury are included.
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Although I can't specify the event, or events, that will correlate to this portentous Conjunction, I have confidence that it will be another necessary step forward in the tropical Age change-over. Mercury will be a major player in the upcoming Conjunction, and is the Motivational-ruler for Aquarius. Pluto's ingress into Aquarius in 2023 will trigger another forward step. One step at a time.
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It's a four-way Conjunction, Jan. 12, 2020. Sun and Mercury are included.
Ceres is at 22 Cap also.
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Advice born of deep listening and silent emotional support, I will aspire to do more of that.
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Advice born of deep listening and silent emotional support, I will aspire to do more of that.
Same here.
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Unread 10-17-2019, 01:34 AM
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Moon in tropical Gem in less than 2 hours.
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Mercury in Scorpio is Trine Neptune in Pisces: A realization that "Life is but a dream". When one is locked into a particular dream, it appears to be the only possible "reality".

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I remember an interesting theory posited by a poster many months ago about the ability to handle Pluto in the natal chart. His view was that people without the Scorpio sign strongly tenanted in the natal chart are likelier to mismanage the energy signature and fall into dysfunctional behaviours faster.

There is an urban legend of sorts surrounding the cinematic role of the Joker from the Batman series. Apparently for one to get into character for the role one needs to descend into places of deep psychological darkness in order to plum the depths and assume the skin of the legendary villain. There is a theory that this process was partly responsible for Heath Ledger's death - in any event the filming of The Dark Knight was grueling for him and he went into his next acting project still exhausted and a bit hung over from the last affair. Modernly Pluto is said to be the planet of death, destruction, the underworld/the underground, the mafia, psychology, and violent unstoppable change.

It's interesting to note that the 3 last actors who played as the Joker - Heath Ledger, Jared Leto and Joaquin Phoenix - were all "plutonic" according to the standards of modern astrology. Ledger had the Sun-Pluto opposition, Leto has a T-square of Pluto conj. ascendant opposition Mars on descendant with Sun in Capricorn at the apex, and Phoenix (fitting) has a hyper concentrated stellium between 28 Libra to 4 Scorpio. His Scorpio planets include the Sun, Mars and Venus. Also throughout the day the Aries Moon would be in opposition to a Libran Pluto. Of these plutonic actors, only Joaquin has planets in Scorpio.

The preparation that Ledger went through for the role is well-known, Leto was said to go full "method actor" and did such things as mail dead animals and condoms to his co-stars with one specific colleague carrying around mace in order to discourage Leto's antics. While it was said that Phoenix was very breezy and friendly during his time of filming the recent Joker movie, and in one interview even said that he "doesn't even know what people mean by method acting". Yet he was able to give a compelling performance that has many people raving, so much that they are calling it the best interpretation of Joker of all time.

The role took a toll on Ledger, Leto tried too hard and is regarded as the worst joker by the majority, and Phoenix gave a compelling performance without exhausting or damaging himself. In fact easily able to forget about the role and putting weight back on.

Is this an observation that gives credence to the Scorpio influenced naturally handling the plutonic energy signature well?

Also another interesting observation of the charts of the 3 is that Joaquin and Ledger have heavy water influence while Leto has none. The common reception is that everyone could see that Leto was acting while the former two disappeared into their roles.
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This article is related to the theory said poster had. https://chirotic.com/2012/09/26/how-big-is-your-pluto/
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This article is related to the theory said poster had. https://chirotic.com/2012/09/26/how-big-is-your-pluto/
I'd like to know how the strength quotient was derived. Looks counterintuitive, to say the least.

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You could contact him and ask him. From what he said in some articles, he gets contacted frequently and is willing to address the issues that people ask him. Although now I notice that he's now monetized his blog through Patreon so who knows what he will share or won't for free.

Here's another Planetary ranking that is unique to him. He says that it is calibrated through a specific methodology checked against a number of spiritual mythologies that feel intuitively correct to him. The first commenter says that it's similar to the three worlds of Norse tradition, the tree of Yggdrasil: Niflhelm, Midgard and Asgard.
https://chirotic.com/2011/11/03/the-...mes/#more-1327

A kindred soul of yours? I'm sure you can appreciate the innovative spirit. You might find corresponding with him fruitful and inspiring for your own astrological process.

I know you have Pluto weakened in Sagittarius in 12/12. Contrary to him. A discussion with him might be in order.
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You could contact him and ask him. From what he said in some articles, he gets contacted frequently and is willing to address the issues that people ask him. Although now I notice that he's now monetized his blog through Patreon so who knows what he will share or won't for free.

Here's another Planetary ranking that is unique to him. He says that it is calibrated through a specific methodology checked against a number of spiritual mythologies that feel intuitively correct to him. The first commenter says that it's similar to the three worlds of Norse tradition, the tree of Yggdrasil: Niflhelm, Midgard and Asgard.
https://chirotic.com/2011/11/03/the-...mes/#more-1327

A kindred soul of yours? I'm sure you can appreciate the innovative spirit. You might find corresponding with him fruitful and inspiring for your own astrological process.

I know you have Pluto weakened in Sagittarius in 12/12. Contrary to him. A discussion with him might be in order.
Seems like it would at least be stronger in the Sign it Domicile-rules than a Sign of a different Modality and Element from its Domicile-sign.
I'm using Sumero-Babylonian, Egyptian, and Greco-Roman religions. The Norse tradition relates more to ancient rune stones than astrology in my experience. I'll see if there's a layout as to how his patterns are arranged.
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Well, nothing informative about Jeremy Neal on the Ages, or his basis for determining planetary strength. Wondering if any of our own Brits know much about him. He's definitely a real pro at what he does. Says his grandfather was an astrologer, and started teaching him when he was 12 years of age.

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I believe I have his planetary strength calculator. im pretty sure it was non transparent as to his method but I'll check
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Oh I just searched who Jeremy Neal was, Iíve came across the Chirotic Journal a couple of times and found the articles to be good. I made a note to make use of it regularly but found the site difficult to navigate or become involved with. Didnít know he was a Brit and donít really know anything about him.
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I believe I have his planetary strength calculator. im pretty sure it was non transparent as to his method but I'll check
Would be good to know. Even if the method is intuitive itís helpful to be taken along for the ride.

Defining terms would help too, like what is strength exactly? If for example the planet is somewhere itís unhappy, like rising Pluto, it canít necessarily access its perceived strength.

Itís an interesting thought that a tenanted Scorpio could make plutonic energy easier to deal with, and assessing that claim might take some kind of phenomenological inquiry - if Pluto wants to be hidden, it canít be judged shallowly by statistical comparison.
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Wonder if the book mentioned in this comment was published:
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Well, it is because Sagittarius naturally gives strength to Pluto as it does also to Jupiter of course. There are numerous systems which measure planetary strength, although they are not generally employed by Western astrology. That is rather crazy I believe. The Hindu Nakshatras are one such, as well as the arabic Manazils. Any Hindu astrologer will perform what are called Ďshadbalasí, these are complex calculations which assign strength according to various criteria. The rising sign, proximity to angles, and the planetary sign and house placement are all considered. There has been very little work on it in the west however. The fRench astrologer Volguine explored these systems with some success, and of course Firmicus began these types of studies a very long time ago.
I am writing a short book on measuring planetary strength in the context of the progressed chart. My belief is that while you will always have Pluto in the position it was rendered at birth, it will gain or lose power according to the progressions of Pluto as time passes. I have done all the research and it is 100% reliable. I hope to have it written in the next three or four months. It is like Western astrologyís missing leg. Just as Orcus is the other missing leg 😉 Quite how we made any sense of the nativity without these factors is remarkable!
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Would be good to know. Even if the method is intuitive it’s helpful to be taken along for the ride.

Defining terms would help too, like what is strength exactly? If for example the planet is somewhere it’s unhappy, like rising Pluto, it can’t necessarily access its perceived strength.

It’s an interesting thought that a tenanted Scorpio could make plutonic energy easier to deal with, and assessing that claim might take some kind of phenomenological inquiry - if Pluto wants to be hidden, it can’t be judged shallowly by statistical comparison.

"Strength" is too vague a term. Jeremy does say that a stronger placement isn't necessarily a better one.
I've already determined that Mars in Taurus, for example, is an extremely noticeable influence. In Trad, it's in detriment by essential Dignity, since it's Domiciled in the opposite Sign, Scorpio. In 12/12, it's the opposite of Exalted, since Mars is Exalted in Scorpio.
I also notice that I made a mistake when I said Pluto should be stronger in its Domicile-sign than in a Sign which shares neither Modality nor Element with Fixed-Water; in this case, Sagittarius. Because, that's exactly the situation with all of the Exalted placements in 12/12: Pluto is Exalted in Gemini, different Element and Modality than its Domicile-sign, Scorpio. Which means it's what Trad calls, "in its Fall" in Sagittarius, just as Mars in Taurus is "in its Fall" (if I were to use that terminology) in 12/12.
Here's a thought--maybe an afflicted placement has to compensate with an increase in strength, to make its influence felt. Same thing might apply to affliction due to accidental debilities.
"Noticeable" influence might be a better description than "strong". Pluto in Scorpio is a match, and blends in nicely, whereas Pluto in Sagittarius is a mismatch, and stands out for that reason.

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Following that train of thought, I've wondered why Asc in Scorpio usually stands out so clearly. In 12/12, the Ascendant is a Benefactor when it's in Taurus, which means it's an afflicted placement in Scorpio. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's the exact opposite of a Benefactor in Scorpio--just, not inclined to be helpful, yet demands to be recognized.
Here's another one: The Sun in Aquarius has to rise to the challenge of being "in its Detriment" when in Aquarius, and is quite noticeable.

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