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What 1st house dominant mean!?

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What its mean
If 1st house is virgo and
saturn , jupiter and venus all conjunct in 1st house
Mercury in 1st also and conjuct the ascendant
Sun in 12 house conjunct the ascendant

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Hi everyone

What its mean
If 1st house is virgo and
saturn , jupiter and venus all conjunct in 1st house
Mercury in 1st also and conjuct the ascendant
Sun in 12 house conjunct the ascendant
The 1st House is the most powerfull; all these planets are powerful (it depends as well on their zodiacal states). Apart from that we can likely say that there is a possible focus on the ego.

But how do you interpret these planets?
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The 1st House is the most powerfull; all these planets are powerful (it depends as well on their zodiacal states). Apart from that we can likely say that there is a possible focus on the ego.

But how do you interpret these planets?
1st house is between virgo and libra
Mercury in virgo side
Jupiter venus Saturn in libra

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1st house is between virgo and libra
Mercury in virgo side
Jupiter venus Saturn in libra

Idk i always felt complicated i tend to isolate myself due to lots of emotional trauma but other side of me really longing for live and people and love
Mercury has major essential dignities in Virgo, the same for Venus and Saturn in Libra. These 3 planets are really powerful in your Chart, especially Mercury (in Domicile and Exaltation! plus conjunct the AS)!
You could be a mercurian personality type.
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Mercury has major essential dignities in Virgo, the same for Venus and Saturn in Libra. These 3 planets are really powerful in your Chart, especially Mercury (in Domicile and Exaltation! plus conjunct the AS)!
You could be a mercurian personality type.
Idk but venus aspect most of the chart
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Idk but venus aspect most of the chart
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Re: What 1st house dominant mean!?

Hi,

Firstly, Mercury is the only planet conjunct your Asc. Not Sun - it is way further into the 12th house.

First house being dominant means that since you have so many planets in the first house, your are quite focused on your own self and your own needs. Could some times come across as self-centered even.

Given your Asc. and the nature of planets in your first house, you could be quite slim and concerned about how you look.
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As Op has many planets in 1st house, wouldn't this also give them an Aries influence too, even though their asc is virgo..would they come across as more an Aries, as really Aries/virgo are very different ?
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As Op has many planets in 1st house, wouldn't this also give them an Aries influence too, even though their asc is virgo..would they come across as more an Aries, as really Aries/virgo are very different ?
Chrysalis, please stay away from the theory of house = sign = planet, especially if you want to grow in trad. astro.

The first house is all about the rising (like the sun rise) or the emerging of the native. Remember the definition of the Asc. = the star that was on the eastern most (East is where the Sun rises) horizon when a native is born. In this particular case, it was Virgo. Therefore, the first house is connected with 'life' and vitality and the physical constitution (because a human life needs a physical form) and health.
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Chrysalis, please stay away from the theory of house = sign = planet, especially if you want to grow in trad. astro.

The first house is all about the rising (like the sun rise) or the emerging of the native. Remember the definition of the Asc. = the star that was on the eastern most (East is where the Sun rises) horizon when a native is born. In this particular case, it was Virgo. Therefore, the first house is connected with 'life' and vitality and the physical constitution (because a human life needs a physical form) and health.
But the first house is relates to Aries, i don't see what the problem is.

I've been looking at my friends chart where she has a first house stellium, and she is a cap asc, but acts very much more like an Aries...so to me it makes sense.
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As Op has many planets in 1st house, wouldn't this also give them an Aries influence too
even though their asc is virgo..would they come across as more an Aries,
as really Aries/virgo are very different ?
Astrologers all have different opinions on the matter
Douglas Noblehorse article
which for this particular example extract focuses on Mars
http://www.azastrologers.org/Article...ThemaMundi.htm
The Thema Mundi is a Hellenistic Era Natural Wheel
that illustrates fundamental astrological principles.
In addition, it reveals the inner geometrical elegance
that gives these fundamentals their meaning and definition.

For instance, Mars is associated with Aries and Scorpio
and to a lesser extent with Capricorn.

The Thema Mundi clearly illustrates

a most useful summary of important considerations related to basic Mars delineation of natal
why we also think of squares and going even deeper than that
it shows why we should perhaps think of the 5th, 6th, 7th and 10th houses as well

Eric Francis notes:

Thema Mundi is the chart that truly is one of the ancient keys to astrology.
Keys lead to doors and doors lead to different places
this is the beginning of an adventure
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But the first house is relates to Aries, i don't see what the problem is.

I've been looking at my friends chart where she has a first house stellium,
and she is a cap asc, but acts very much more like an Aries
...so to me it makes sense.


many astrologers agree with the Thema Mundi placing of Cancer as the 'natural first house'
instead of Aries.
An example is the following
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Cancer, sign of mothering associates with the 1st
house of incarnation, where one comes into tangible form.
Aries is Thema Mundi 10th house of fiery initiative, career, fame, worldly expression.
Capricorn does not fit the outgoing initiative required of 10th.


Aries as the natural sign associated with 10th
helps us understand Aries Point, which seems closer in meaning to 10th
than to Ascendant.


Children are often conceived in 5th house
- overlaying the house of passionate sex
with the sign of mysteries of birth and death makes sense.
A fun romance, can involve you deeper than you planned




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But the first house is relates to Aries, i don't see what the problem is.
If you are fine with that theory, then that is good.

I distinguish between what a house stands for and what a sign stands for. And, both are different.

Having said that, in the case of the first house, it is difficult to build up arguments because even Lilly says that the first house rules the head and face area and so does the sign of Aries, so there indeed is a common point there.

However, that is where the common point ends. The part of vitality and health (signified by the first house) do not come from Mars or Aries, but from the Sun. The physical form or skeletal (made of bones) comes from Saturn.

I have to run, but I hope you will find some material to explain this stuff to yourself.

I gave some examples of where the house = sign theory absolutely does not fit. Click on my name and then follow my posts on another thread. Else google some literature, if you are interested.

Your friend MUST have some other factors that make here come across as Aries.
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Re: What 1st house dominant mean!?

Aries rules the 1st house, so Aries qualities are within the 1st house.

Jupiter what is this chart showing Cancer being the 1st house ? Now your just confusing me
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Aries rules the 1st house, so Aries qualities are within the 1st house.
obviously your friend has either Aries or Scorpio rising
or possibly Capricorn since Mars is exalted in Capricorn
chart to view would assist clarification re your friend with stellium in first house
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Jupiter what is this chart showing Cancer being the 1st house ?
Now your just confusing me
it's a chart of the THEMA MUNDI perhaps you did not read it thoroughly

i.e.
many astrologers agree with the Thema Mundi placing of Cancer as the 'natural first house'
instead of Aries.
An example is the following
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Cancer, sign of mothering associates with the 1st
house of incarnation, where one comes into tangible form.
Aries is Thema Mundi 10th house of fiery initiative, career, fame, worldly expression.
Capricorn does not fit the outgoing initiative required of 10th.


Aries as the natural sign associated with 10th
helps us understand Aries Point, which seems closer in meaning to 10th
than to Ascendant.


Children are often conceived in 5th house
- overlaying the house of passionate sex
with the sign of mysteries of birth and death makes sense.
A fun romance, can involve you deeper than you planned




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Re: What 1st house dominant mean!?

Wooow this is amazing i love this kind of astrological arguments
I know 1st house ruled by aries but i think ascendant responsible for 75% of the personality
I have 0% aries characteristics
And i think because that aries lord is in his *fall* cancer
And i really care a lot about my look but i am not self centered at all
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Re: What 1st house dominant mean!?

I already mentioned in my post, shes a cap rising,...maybe you didn't read it thoroughly.

And i did read your post thoroughly, im not a skim above the surface kind of person, but still like i said, now im getting confused as ive always related the first house to Aries...2nd Taurus...3rd gemini...etc.
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Wooow this is amazing i love this kind of astrological arguments
I know 1st house ruled by aries but i think ascendant responsible for 75% of the personality
I have 0% aries characteristics
And i think because that aries lord is in his *fall* cancer
And i really care a lot about my look but i am not self centered at all
Well guess what vivian...Aries love arguments too. ..and thats a fact
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I already mentioned in my post, shes a cap rising,...maybe you didn't read it thoroughly.

And i did read your post thoroughly, im not a skim above the surface kind of person
but still like i said, now im getting confused
as ive always related the first house to Aries...2nd Taurus...3rd gemini...etc.

Time for an alternative perspective
easier to view your friends chart then can discuss
IF you have permission to post it
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Well guess what vivian...Aries love arguments too. ..and thats a fact
plenty of members on this forum love arguments
waybread, Dirius, david starling, Oddity are all arguing on this thread

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...d.php?t=112883
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Wooow this is amazing i love this kind of astrological arguments
That's good - discussion is always interesting
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I know 1st house ruled by aries
not necessarily
not all astrologers are agreed
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but i think ascendant responsible for 75% of the personality
Great observation
Main Rulerships of 1st House = Life, vitality and health.
Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body.
Older sources note its influence upon the intellect, the way the mind works, and speech.
In general, the first house represents the focal point for the personality
and manner of expression
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As well as describing the physical appearance
the condition of this house and that of its planetary ruler
indicates the level of personal vitality and strength.

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I have 0% aries characteristics
And i think because that aries lord is in his *fall* cancer
Another great observation
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And i really care a lot about my look but i am not self centered at all
Mars severs, destroys
and as such is one of the two malefic planets in astrology
- also known as 'infortunes', these are planets that naturally symbolise damage and loss.
Traditionally these are Saturn, the 'Greater Malefic'
and Mars, the 'Lesser Malefic'.
Both are extreme in nature: Saturn being cold and dry
and Mars exceeding in heat.

If the natural malefics are positively placed in the chart, well dignified, strong in position
and involved in good aspects, their influence may be beneficial rather than afflicting

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