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Unread 05-15-2020, 04:57 PM
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I had my natal chart read for the first time 10 years ago and have developed a growing interest in the field of astrology ever since. I recently began studying Mundane Astrology and so far am really enjoying it (although the amount of factors involved feels a bit overwhelming at times). Lots of questions come up as I go along so it would be nice to have a community of astrologers to chat with about these things. For instance, using whole sign houses vs. placidus and how that dramatically alters planets and houses in my natal. Thank you for hosting these forums. I look forward to participating.


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I had my natal chart read for the first time 10 years ago
and have developed a growing interest
in the field of astrology ever since.
I recently began studying Mundane Astrology
and so far am really enjoying it
(although the amount of factors involved feels a bit overwhelming at times).
Lots of questions come up as I go along
so it would be nice to have a community of astrologers
to chat with about these things
. For instance, using whole sign houses vs. placidus
and how that changes me from a day chart to a night chart, etc.
Anyway, thank you for hosting these forums.
I look forward to participating.
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. For instance, using whole sign houses vs. placidus
and how that changes me
from a day chart to a night chart, etc.

Clearly
The house location of any natal planet

is entirely dependent on the house system chosen
easily verified by any one of at least fourteen different house systems
on offer at astro.com's Extended Chart Selection Page

calculate your chart using whole sign houses at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

In no other area of astrology
is there so much mess and confusion
than in the area of the so-called "houses".
There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart"
into twelve segments of life activity.
In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains
represent general areas of life activity
and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets.
Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable
A planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries,
so that in effect.
there were no real houses as we know them today

Artificial divisions now known as houses
were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus
to measure strength "points" in the horoscope,
which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed
or
confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.
The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites
for example,
were definite power points
or
areas of intense focus,
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant
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dr. farr spent several decades as an astrologer
before being finally convinced of the efficacy of whole sign houses
and switched to it.
In fact dr. farr posted a useful summary explanation
of the rationale of whole sign houses
and it's obvious how 'Equal Houses' evolved from whole signs
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Cusps:

Today (and for the past thousand years or so) we define cusps as "borders" (coasts), but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp": it means "point" such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids) and the point of a sword-so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something, and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point"; now, when quadrant systems were developed, this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning", which later came to mean its "border", ie, the "border" between one house and the other. And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps) for various prognostic applications (Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events, the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results, among the various quadrant house systems)

But now notice this: in whole sign the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all, and never were so regarded! In whole sign, the "cusp" retained its original meaning, not as a "border" but rather as A POINT-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house, was the sensitive point of that house, viz, the sensitive point in whole sign houses-each house-that is the "cusp" of each house-is a direct projection from the ascending degree.
Example:
-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus: what are the house cusps (sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp") in the whole sign houses of this chart?
Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries


Now it is these "cusps" (sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point") that are (and were) used for progressions, timing of events, etc, and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well (in expert hands)
Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses (always 0 degree of any sign) for anything, but it DOES use "cusps" (points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree) for timing (and other) delineative purposes.


Whole sign suddenly vanished (both in the West and in Vedic astrology) during the same period of time-ie, late 8th to early 9th century-this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices, rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign) by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West, and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)

I quite agree with Waybread in the statement, "so what?" (if old time astrologers did or didn't do something) For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign-it worked better (FOR ME) I could care less if it were the oldest house system (which it is) or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago: only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me (ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above, does it work (producing delineations and predicitions) better than what I have previously been doing?
Well, whole sign did all that, for me, so I switched; but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it, except for beginners-to you who might just be starting out, I would say: try whole sign first, and see how well it might work for you...
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Thanks so much JUPITERASC for your explanation about the Whole Sign House System and the informative links. I look forward to digging into these more. I had no idea it was such a hot topic in the astrology world!

I've been listening to old episodes of the astrology podcast with Chris Brennan and as you probably know he makes a strong case for using Whole Sign Houses. I've been studying my natal chart to see which system resonates most and there are some really dramatic shifts based on which system I use. For instance, using Placidus I have 4 planets in 12th house Libra (Sun, Venus, Pluto, Mars, along with my 17 degree Lib ascendant). All of those planets move into 1st house Libra (along with Uranus) when using the Whole Sign House system. Sorta tough to wrap my mind around after relating to the 12th house energy for so many years. At the same time, it feels quite liberating in some ways. Same thing with Jupiter in Pisces. It moves from the 5th house into the 6th house using Whole Signs. Not such a welcome change there I suppose.

Guess I'll just continue to use both systems for now and examine how transits have affected the houses/planets to date in my life, as well which system better resonates with my sense of self. Would like to try to settle on a system to use moving forward, however. With all my Libra energy I could see myself going back and forth for years without making a decision
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Thanks so much JUPITERASC for your explanation
about the Whole Sign House System and the informative links.
I look forward to digging into these more.

I had no idea it was such a hot topic in the astrology world!

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I've been listening to old episodes of the astrology podcast with Chris Brennan and as you probably know he makes a strong case for using Whole Sign Houses. I've been studying my natal chart to see which system resonates most and there are some really dramatic shifts based on which system I use. For instance, using Placidus I have 4 planets in 12th house Libra (Sun, Venus, Pluto, Mars, along with my 17 degree Lib ascendant). All of those planets move into 1st house Libra (along with Uranus) when using the Whole Sign House system. Sorta tough to wrap my mind around after relating to the 12th house energy for so many years. At the same time, it feels quite liberating in some ways. Same thing with Jupiter in Pisces. It moves from the 5th house into the 6th house using Whole Signs. Not such a welcome change there I suppose.

Guess I'll just continue to use both systems for now and examine how transits have affected the houses/planets to date in my life, as well which system better resonates with my sense of self. Would like to try to settle on a system to use moving forward, however. With all my Libra energy I could see myself going back and forth for years without making a decision


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Great! Thanks again!
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Hi Libra Rising,
Don't forget "Parans", the oldest of all astrology, it doesn't use houses, but is locational using True North, South, East and West, so debate doesn't occur.
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