I think some advisors read carefully only thair posts. Waybread, what did yo see wrong in my sentence? I said the native "may die". does it sound for you like "Will die"? If you want to show yourself most clever and original do it with clever posts. When you anounce others as amateurs and and thair posts to be wrong, you are more like an amateur then an astrologger. I insist you to explain what was wrong in the sentence posted by me that sagitarius 8th house is possible to die abroad but other planets and aspects could show more details. i did not mention it would happen at 70 or 80. what do you mean in "planets did not suddenly start doing thing differently"? Who said that 8th house determines the date of death or life length. 8 hoise is about where and how is it more possible to die when it happens. this was in my post. this is in theory of astrology. please explain to community what was wrong and also explain did you want to say that 8th house and its planets can not show how native is more posible to die? or did you just wanted to show yourself the smartest? Waiting for your explanations. thank you!
Please do not take this so personally. I specifically did not center out you or anybody else.
We see this type of thread periodically; and frankly most of the people who post about death do not understand either the techniques, ethics, or success rates of astrological death prediction. The trouble is that contemplating their own death or the death of someone they care about frightens many people to a degree that we don't see in discussions of the other houses. This is one thing that I find unethical about Amateur Hour in death prediction.
The whole business reminds me of the Sorcerer's Apprentice in Walt Disney's
Fantasia. You remember Mickey and his mops?
I don't think your post helps your case very much. Well, sure-- it is possible to die overseas if Sagittarius is on the cusp of your 8th house. But note also that Sagittarius rules other phenomena besides international travel. Why not die from a university course or target practice at the archery range?
And what "details" would you expect other planets to show? They equally have multiple significations and rulerships.
The other problem is that the sign on the cusp of your 8th house can change depending upon which house system you use. Particularly for someone with a late degree rising, there can be a big difference between a quadrant house system and whole signs. (Whole signs are currently making a big come-back.) But surely a matter as weighty as death shouldn't hinge on whether you use Koch or the equal house system.
Surely you are aware that others believe or fear that the timing of death can be predicted from the 8th house or its derivatives.
craft94's position on this matter seems entirely sensible and practical.
Re: my point about life expectancy. Just for anyone who doesn't know what it means, basically it is a demographic measure that starts with a cohort or particular age group, born in a given location. Based upon population and social variables, demographers predict the age by which half of that cohort will have died, and half will still be alive.
A child born in ancient Rome or medieval London might have had a life expectancy of 35 years. Maybe more if he survived infancy. Today, most citizens of economically developed nations have average life expectancies in their 70s, or even low 80s. (Life expectancies tend to be higher for women.)
Apart from the timing of death, these high life expectancies essentially mean that most people in the developed nations will die of complications of old age. So the typical manner of death has altered over the centuries, as well.
So did the planets, signs, and houses somehow change between the past and today, to produce this different result? Of course not. Rather, as I said in my first post, we cannot look at the 8th house as a transparent predictor of death.
This is why, since Antiquity, astrologers came up with more sophisticated predictive methods. Unfortunately, a lot of these were simply wrong. Take the example of the late Richard Houck, who wrote a book on astrological death prediction. He was significantly mistaken about both the timing and manner of his own death. I have more examples where this came from.
I define myself as an amateur astrologer, in the sense that I have never taken payment for reading a horoscope; and the root of the word "amateur" is the same as the word "amore," to love. I will say that I have been studying astrology for over 25 years, I have an extensive home library of astrological books and articles, and I have read a lot of charts for people on this and another forum. This experience doesn't necessarily make me correct, but it does give me s modicum of confidence in what I post.
If you'd like me to post specific references on the problems of death prediction, I will-- provided you pledge to read them.
