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Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

I thought that this would be both fun and interesting.

Here I provide the charts of four people, all of whom have fame (or infamy) at various levels. All of these nativites belong to men, three are American, one is Canadian. Three of the men are still living, one is now dead. The data is considered to be highly accurate, none of the charts are based upon rectified or estimated birth times, so you can rely on the data.

This is all the information you have to go on:

One of these charts belongs to a serial killer.

One is the nativity of an adult movie star.

One is the horoscope of a spiritualist medium, who also became a successful writer on the subject.

One chart is that of a famous athlete, one of the most famous in his field.

The idea is to identify who of these very different people is who, according to the chart provided.

You may wish to concentrate on only one chart, and give your opinion as to who you think this belongs to and your reasonings as to why. You may wish to attempt to judge between all the charts, considering who you think is who and detailing your justifications as to why this would be.

The objective of the exercise is not to 'guess' who is who, but to 'judge' who is who, according to whatever methods you may utilise in order to draw your conclusion. It will be interesting to see how each person goes about this.
Please don't hesitate to have a go at this through fear of being wrong, getting it right isn't the main objective of the exercise. This should turn out to be interesting, so please have a go.

I must point out that if you happen to know who any of these people are because you happen to be familiar with the charts, please do not give the answer away or drop hints like bombs. This is unfair on me for putting the effort into doing this, and upon those who wish to have a sincere attempt at this. I trust everyone here is mature enought to see the sense in this.

To satisfy a majority, I have drawn the charts in Placidus, and included the personal and transpersonal planets only.

Seriously, please don't give these charts away or drop any hints at all, or cheat in any way, just have a good, honest attempt.

If you think you know who a chart belongs to, please don't declare it! The idea is to match a chart to what the person is known for, not to drop names that will influence other peoples decisions!

I look forward to seeing how this thread progresses. The objective of the exercise isn't to be correct, it more to do with observing the techniques that each other utilises in order to determine who the person is.

I think I'll leave it a couple of weeks or so before revealing who the people are. This allows a good number of people to have a go, and allows for the development of some interesting discussion and debate. Remember to give a detailed observation of why you associate a particular chart with a particular person, so we can obtain insight and inspiration from each others ideas.
Please join in. Do not hesitate and have faith in yourself, even if you have never explored a nativity beofre or lack confidence (I know I do).

I have selected charts that do not depict aspect lines. Rather, the aspects are depicted around the edge of the wheel. This is because opinions upon aspect orbs differ, but with the exact location of the aspects depicted around the wheel, you can decide upon your aspects being as wide or as tight as you see fit, without a criss-cross of lines dictating whether two planets are in aspect or not, this is up to you. If you are somehow unclear as to how to read the aspect wheel, ask.

Here are the horoscopes:

Chart #1



Chart #2



Chart #3



Chart #4



Remember, we're looking for a serial killer, an adult movie star, a spiritualist medium and an outstanding athlete.

Enjoy!

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Before attempting to judge the charts, I am going to brainstorm some characteristics I believe each type of person would possess:

Serial killer:

Key Words and Ideas: aggressiveness, brutality, need to feel power over others, predator vs. prey mentality, cunning, possible issues with authority (may enjoy "leaving clues" to taunt investigators), enacting revenge, addicted to adrenaline rush, may enjoy planning murders and escape routes

Astrological influences that immediately come to mind: Afflicted Mars/Pluto

An adult movie star:

Key Words and Ideas: enjoys the spotlight, expressive, possibly craves attention and fame

Astrological influences that immediately come to mind: Leo, planets in the tenth house

A spiritualist medium:

Key Words and Ideas: attuned to higher energies, not completely grounded/focussed in the physical world

Astrological influences that immediately come to mind: Strong Pisces/Neptune emphasis, planets in the water elements, planets in the eighth house

Outstanding athlete

Key Words and Ideas: extremely disciplined, physically active and strong

Astrological influences that immediately come to mind: Aries/Mars

Mystery Person #1:

Mars tightly conjunct Virgo Ascendant

Tight Sun/Venus conjunction in Cancer in the ninth house (trines Mars and squares Saturn)

Moon conjunct Leo Midheaven (Moon square Jupiter; Saturn sextile Midheaven, Part of Fortune trine Midheaven)

South Node conjunct Pluto

All of these charts supposedly belong to a famous person, yet this one particularly indicate themes of fame and power to me, and the possible abuse of it. The North Node is located in Aquarius in the fourth house; clearly, this person has a spiritual goal to focus less upon the limelight and the outside world of fame and prestige in order to retreat into an inner world focussed more upon community than self. However, his Leo Moon conjunct the Midheaven seems to indicate an emotional need to be held in high regard and prestige and approaching a conjunction with Pluto, he may very well feel emotional security through the power of fame. The Sun and the Moon are in mutual reception, Pluto is exalted in Leo, Saturn is exalted in Libra, Mars is in the sign of its rulership in Scorpio, and although Jupiter rules Pisces and Sagittarius and is exalted in Cancer, I have often mused that the greater benefic seems pretty comfortable in Taurus. This is quite a lot of power to reckon with.

I initially guessed this chart to belong to the adult movie star, but the first house Mars in Scorpio conjunct the Ascendant is such a stereotypical serial killer aspect that I am now doubting my intuition and reasoning. Yet it does not appear to be badly aspected; indeed, Mars receives a beautiful trine from a tight Sun/Venus conjunction. As Tim would undoubtedly note, the majority of the planets are in the upper hemisphere, and I just do not see the brutality of a killer--there appears to be too much creativity. Although I suppose as one of the old astrology joke threads indicated, this person could make beautiful art out of the remains of his victims!

Seriously, I immediately thought of foreign travel with a ninth house stellium, and I think that a famous actor would have many opportunities to visit strange lands while filming on the various sets of his movies.

Mystery Person #2:

As soon as I saw the eighth house stellium of Mystery Person 2's chart, I immediately thought it belonged to the psychic. I will undoubtedly feel foolish when Draco reveals the chart belongs to the serial killer instead, yet Pluto is conjunct the Sun and Mercury to boot, and the Sun-Mercury conjunction appears to be at a critical degree! Actually, this may very well be the serial killer because the Venus/Uranus conjunction makes me think of strange sexual fetishes of a darker nature--perhaps this person, if he is not the spiritual medium, raped his victims before killing them? Mars may be in its detriment in Taurus, but I think it's a bit ominous that the planet is tightly conjunct the fifth house cusp and appears to form a loose square aspect with Uranus and an even looser square aspect with Venus. I might be thinking too much in terms of horary, but I also don't like that the Part of Fortune is conjunct the Nadir in Aries--it makes me think that he has the ability to conceal the evidence of murder. Its opposition to tenth house Jupiter makes me think that he presents himself in a jovial manner that is much different from his true inner nature. The Moon is conjunct the Ascendant from its dark side, so I question his ability to keep his emotions in check. It is located in the sign of Sagittarius, true, but I don't like Saturn in the house of its joy exerting its influence upon the Moon. If I am wrong, it will be interesting to see exactly how vivid my imagination is!

As I was studying this chart some more, I regret to say that I am yet again waffling back and forth between the psychic and the serial killer! Jupiter is loosely conjunct Neptune, two planets that tie into Pisces through traditional or modern rulership. Also, Jupiter's conjunction with the North Node looks familiar in the a chart I was studying the other day of a psychic/spiritual medium--I won't mention a name although I do not think it is the same chart, in respect for Draco's rules. I will note that out of the four charts in this thread, this one definitely looks the most psychic, but then which chart belongs to the serial killer? I suppose it is back to the drawing board...

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Re: Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

Some very interesting comments there Mav to get the thread rolling.

You have mentioned two things that really are quite significant, but I won't yet tell you what, as it might make it too easy, but some good observations!

It will be interesting to see how this develops.

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You've added in some even more interesting comments now Mav. I'm dying to let you know where you are right on and where you are going off track, but I don't want to prejudice the input that others may deliver, or make it too obvious who is who, and there's probably many other's that would like a go at this, so my lips are firmly sealed for now. Some nice observations though.
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Mystery person 1, or 4 may be the serial killer. I'd veer more towards person 1. The Mars in Scorpio conjunct Ascendant makes me think that. And Pluto near the top in the 10th house. So maybe they would square each other? Creating conflict??

Hahaha, I have Mars/Sag in the 1st house, Pluto/Libra conjunct the MC! I can be quite forceful at times, have never harmed anyone physically though!

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Does anyone have any insight about chart #3 and #4? The twelfth house Pluto conjunct Part of Fortune grabs my attention, as does the sixth house Moon-Mercury conjunction in Aquarius and Venus' conjunction with the Descendant, but no specific picture has been painted in my mind. The most significant observation I have made about chart #4 is the mutual reception between Mars in Pisces and Jupiter in Aries, both of which are conjunct in the seventh house. I've read that Mars and Jupiter can be a dangerous combination, but I would think that a mutual reception would be beneficial. I am also baffled by the astrological paradox that of Saturn in Aries opposite Libra North Node; my father has a similar one in his chart of Capricorn North Node conjunct Capricorn Moon, and I cannot get my mind around it! Speaking of paradoxes, Neptune is also in the first house in Virgo and squares fourth house Mercury in Sagittarius, the sign of its detriment. It also just recently occurred to me that Venus and Uranus are in mutual reception using modern rulership, although I am a bit uncertain as to what this means...

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Again, my lips are firmly sealed for the time being.

Hehe, this is fun.
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Im a very new beginer but Id be willing to throw out a guess at number 2 as the spiritualistic medium with the nicely aspected planets in the 8H the sun there as well, part of fortune on the IC in 4h trines sun, moon, mercury.
I like how the sun moon and mercury aspects the assendent as well.
jupiter in the 10H is a good place as well in libra for a guru the oposition to the IC and part of fortune tells me he may have had some conflicting energies will his inner and outer worlds like identifying with his fame or something mabie a pride issue as far as "Im the greatest since everybody seems to agree with me" and may have taken advantage of it early on, but the sextiles to the sun, moon, and mercury may have helped cool that off easy, as well as the sextile to pluto in the 8H.
Pluto in scorpio indicates this too me as well being in the 8H. ocult sciences regeneration and such.

Then again.......with the sun siting right on top of mercury in retrograde like that I dont know..... cmbust?

I heard somewhere that retrogrades may compell the individual to further express that planet in some way though as well and being in the 8H with that uranus opposed mars I bet he felt obliged to get his message across somehow yet the restricion of being forced into this role somehow....
mabie being born into it or something like he wants to be free of it yet he doesnt. family strugles or something.....mabie a loss of Homeland?.

Saturn in the 12th may indicate a metaphsical teacher of sorts someone who can easily adapt to inner solitude, and move toward karmic completions and liberation. Probably has a good family lineage.

Moon in the 12th another indication of liking or being liked by solitude and with Saturn in the house to help that house out and all of the moons pleasent aspects as well I would say he has alot of suport in viewing the world from a detatched sort of "dream" view. he's probably idealistic of metaphisical studies and its place in the world and has gathered alot of "stuff" ideas and such from former teachers as well. and he doesnt interact with the public that much yet likes it every once in a while.

there's other stuff as well....but overall I'd say he's the spiritual dude.
probably gets along with the ladies alright too.
then again this may be the guy that knocks on your door with an axe so I dont know.....
Im waiting to be the prime example of the guy who thinks all these trines and sextiles are just so "positive".
Im extremely interested being a beginer of sorts to see the results.
The more I look the more I cant tell one way or the other far any of them.
Great idea for a post!
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The most significant observation I have made about chart #4 is the mutual reception between Mars in Pisces and Jupiter in Aries, both of which are conjunct in the seventh house. I've read that Mars and Jupiter can be a dangerous combination, but I would think that a mutual reception would be beneficial.
I too thought this would lead to some sort of expansive expression of agression, but then since Mars was in Pisces, would that expansive energy be more loving? In the 7th house of relationships/open enemies?! Are they one and the same??!

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Does anyone have any insight about chart #3 and #4?
chart 4
I dont like that sun moon jupiter tsquare....although the orbs are wide.
and with mars and jupiter as close as they are conj I also dont like that
neptune mercury jupiter tsquare.
I usually dont mind neptune in the firstH but in virgo I dont like.
that grand trine between Venus, moon, and Midheaven looks odd and so does
the assendent uranus and sun grand trine.

The main thing that bothers me about chart 4 is the moon in libra in house2
square sun in in the fourth house whic is home life type stuff, and its opposition to jupiter in the seventhH.

Im sniffing out a bad childhood here I think mabie trouble with relationships later on in life also.
with that trine between venus and moon and midheaven in there houses.........
at first I m thinking actor or artist with that venus im thinkin suduction and ability to be creative since in aquarius and then trine moon and midheaven.
but Im not sure how to figure in that moon trine with venus.
then im thinking murder dude.
I dont know how to figure the retrogrades like
neptune, pluto, and uranus
I also dont know what that lilltle -d- behind the true nod means is that dignity or detriment or neither?

I think those retrogrades play a big part in this chart somehow but dont know how. something makes me cringe about this chart yet dont know what.
Mabie its just me not knowing yet.
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I too thought this would lead to some sort of expansive expression of agression, but then since Mars was in Pisces, would that expansive energy be more loving? In the 7th house of relationships/open enemies?! Are they one and the same??!
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I dont think Pisces always means more loving. Pisces can at times be feisty and fiery more so then a cancer anyhow.
I dont see how mars and piscies would be good but I dont know.
Mars seems to be impuse outward motion Fire. then piscies as a sign seems inflow thought and emotion, like an dispersal only inward.
like where pisces seems to be more about pulling in thought and emotion like water catching leaves. it seems that mars is strait out outflow I am.

I see someone thats a little frustrated in that seventh house, and i wonder
how happy is that jupiter and mars in the seventh if they oppose neptune in the first. and what about retrograde neptune. mabie a sence of not knowing how others percieve him?

with that moon in libra I see someone who doesnt like conflict its someone who needs harmony but I dont know if he gets it here with those aspects to the 4th and 7th houses.
His part of fortune is on the nadir.
Some nice pluto aspects there in the 11thH Group Therapy?
what about pluto being retrograde also?
Im stumped
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Chart 1
Mars on ascendent in scorpio so power is an issue. Mars is in sign of rulership and has nice trines so I would imagine it works in a positive manner. 9th house stellium is good for travel. I would imagine sports poepl travel more than just about anyone. Sag in 2nd may indicate income is gained through travel and foreign countries, it is also quite a physical sign I think.

Chart 2
Jupiter and Neptune in 10th naer MC with NN. Which kinda looks like some kind of fame. Neptune has a lot to do with illusions and film so I guess acting is a potential here. Moon on ascendent which would look like they can express their emotions immediately which is good for actors. Sag moon possibly means they can go different places with their emotions good for different roles. Kidman and aniston have sag moon.Uranus Venus in Leo with Pluto sun merc all in 8th could indicate a sexual provocative nature that is well liked in the film industry. Sex sells I think they say.

Chart 3

leo asc so a need for attention. Pluto in 12th with POF worries me. Not a nice place to live, indicating some kind of seclusion. Pluto not well aspected. Sat/Uranus conj in 10th is not an easy energy to channel. But Jupiter is there and venus rules the MC which is on 7th cusp but square that uranus/saturn. I think this has a strong implication on the life but it is difficult to tell where it went.

Chart 4

Gemini on MC, merc in sag in deteriment. Virgo on asc so not that pushy or demanding but potentially critical. Neptune in 1st house can be enlightenment or dellusion. venus in 5th with no real bad aspects good trine with moon makes it hard for me to see this person being bad. Jupiter with mars in 7th. in aries which gives a power which is maybe lacking on the MC. There is a lot of energy in 4th. I would have to gues that this is the spiritualist as gem is asc and merc in sag is often connected with publishing, Jane Austen for example. But I dont think this person had huge fame.

There is my 10 cents. The last two are tricky.


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Hi Draco.
Pity you didn't include the aspects on the charts; makes it a little easier to see what is aspected to what if you work with that sort of technique.

I don't see Black Moon Lilith ?

It's a bit like that game Mastermind with the different pegs. Elimination through things you'd expect to find. But you're not providing the 'accurate' pegs.

What are the positions on the outer rings? Midpoints and 90* dial?

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Hi Fris.

When I first looked at that style chart I didn't understand it either, but once you get it, it's really very easy to read.

The reason I didn't include aspect lines is because preferances for orbs differ, some base orbs upon the aspect itself, some, like myself, base the orbs on the moiety of the planet. Some do not allow out of sign aspects. Astrodienst uses the most enormous orbs, which bug many, and if the orbs are reduced by 50%, it can remove aspects that really ought to be there. Aspect lines dictate the aspect, the Kundig style chart allows you to decide.

Now, to read that style chart, say for example that a planet, the Sun for example, is at Aries 00.00. You will see that at 00.00 of all the cardinal signs, that there is a Sun glyph accompanied by a square, showing that the Sun is in square to these points, and the glyph will be in red indicating a hard aspect. At 00.00 degrees of the fire signs, you would see a Sun glyph, this time accompanied by a triangle, and they will be in green indicating a soft aspect.

So you glance around the edge of the chart in order to determine the aspects, and have them as tight or as wide as you want, in sign only or out of sign aspects too.

If you look at Mystery Chart #1 as an example, you will see that at the MC, there is a little green line pointing to this point, and next to it is a little green glyph for Saturn and is accompanied by a sextile symbol, this shows that Saturn is closely sextile with the midheaven.

Where the Moon is, you can see that there is a little red line coming from the chart just above the Moon a degree ahead of it, with a little red glyph of Jupiter accompanied by a square, and this shows that Jupiter is in square with the Moon.

If in any doubt, you can refer to the bottom of the charts, where the degrees and minutes of arc of each planet is depicted.

There are no midpoints or 90' wheel depicted on the chart, only major aspects between the planets depicted.

Hopefully this has clarified for you.

There have been some really interesting responses guys, but I'm dropping no hints.

Fris, if the Black Moon is important to you, to save uploading again, then here I provide for you the position of her in each chart. It will be interesting to read your reflections on how you feel this point influences the charts, as I don't use it and know little about it.

I used the natural apogee rather than the oscillating.

Lillith:

#1 - 13.50 Leo.

#2 - 24.10 Aries.

#3 - 00.56 Gemini.

#4 - 15.09 Aquarius.
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Thanks Draco for putting up such an interesting thread!

I didn't read any previous post in order not to influence my reading.Please bear in mind that I'm only a beginer and I will probably say lots of completly crazy things but well I'm trying to learn.

First chart:First thingthat caught my eye was the dignified Mars conjunct the Ascendnat by a very tight degree.A curious thing about this charts is that two of them have Mars in debility,and this chart is the only exception.Assuming that debilated planets are not comfortable enough to fully express their energies in the way traditionally associated with the planet,I think this chart belongs to the athlethe.Mars only has two aspects,so I think the planet is free to express it's dignity in a almost 'untouched' way.Not only,but we also see the Leo Moon tightly conjunct the MC,and Leo is a sign which typically feels comfortable being in the public eye.The9th house Cancer stellium is the only thing that puzzles me .

Second chart: I have a feeling this belongs to the adult movie star.The MC is ruled by Venus,and Venus is in Leo(a sign which loves to be in the public eye,like I said before)very tightly conjunct Uranus(freedom,inovation,individualism,breaking barries)in the8th house(typically associated with sex).The Moon in Sagitarius is adventurous and likes to try new things.Looking at the5th(another house associated with sex),the5th is ruled by Venus,which leads agains to the8th house Venus-Uranus conjunction.The conjunction with Uranus is the only aspect Venus makes,putting more emphasis on it.

Third chart: I think this chart belongs to the medium.Neptune is in the2nd(achieving money through spiritual work-the book selling thing).The3rd house-communications-is ruled by Venus;Venus is very tightly conjunct the DC,and is disposed by Uranus;Uranus can be found in the10th(associating the book-writing with the career).Sun,Moon and Mercury are all in the6th(daily work);I'm thinking spiritual practices require a lot of daily work and dedication in order to achieve our spiritual goals.The Part of Fortune is in the12th house alongside Pluto,so money was achieve through spirituality.

Fourth chart: The serial killer.Mars is in the7th(anger turned against others).Mars is disposed by Neptune(found in the1st house),and it opposes it's own dispositor.The12th house(psychologhical problems)is ruled by the Sun,and the Sun is in the4th,the house related to the uncounscious and security matters.

I have to say I'm still very confused by all of this.I probably a lot of things that don't make sense but well we'll see.
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Here are my Guesses:

Now I might have missed some aspects as I am used to reading charts with the aspect lines drawn in, so I tried my best to spot most of the aspects.

Chart number 1 - This may be the possible murderer chart, The SN on Pluto in Leo/10th an authoritative, powerful placement.

Sun in Cancer squares Saturn in the 11th house - Maybe this individual doesn't feel he fits into society in some way. Saturn is on the cusp of the 12th, which can suggest a confinement of some sort for this individual.

The Sun is very afflicted in this chart. Saturn, Uranus, semi something to Pluto.

There is a lot of 9th house activity in this chart but this could also mean dealings with the law, travel, are his morals right or wrong, that's for god to judge he has Sun/Uranus in 9th maybe he breaks the law.

There is a T.square with Mars/Jupiter/Moon involving the fixed signs, of Leo, Scorpio, and Taurus. I think fixed t.Squares focus on issues of self worth for this person. Emotions, anger, can be excessive. Venus Squares Saturn so again self-worth issues for this person. Moon conjunct Pluto secretive emotions, destructive emotions considering this person has a lot of Cancer in chart the emotions are controlled, by the powerful planets Saturn/Pluto.

The worst traits of Mars in Scorpio person - emotional and sexual addictions, , fears linked with loss, betrayal, abandonment, can create a fundamental fear of intimacy. A Mars in Scorpio, person must learn the value of emotional and sexual commitment versus following every compulsive desire.

Chart Number 2 - Adult move star - SN in Aries sex, anger, impulsive desires. Mars on the cusp of 5th and the only planet below the horizon, may suggest sexual affairs as I believe the 5th house relates to casual non committed sex. Mars squares Uranus/Venus in the 8th house I would say this person may be distanced from deep commitment, detached from the issues of the 8th house sex, intimacy, deep connections. Mars quincunx Saturn. Mars in Taurus can mean sexual violence, this person may want to confront sexual situations, where the emotions and psychological nature are brought into awareness I won't go further on the Mars in Taurus as I will make myself blush. Nearly all these charts had Mars in Taurus but this Mars was on the 5th house afflicting Uranus/Venus in 8th which makes my mind think this person would most likely to be the adult film star.

Neptune in Scorpio 10th - bring to mind sexual/images career. Conjunct Jupiter. Excessive. Neptune rules neurotic conditions. Sexual/Addictions/excess.

Chart number 3 - The sporty person - Sagittarius on the cusp of the 5th house, ruler in 10th Gemini. Enjoys sporty, activities. Sun in 6th square Mars in Taurus/9th Mars active in the travel house, Jupiter house but in Taurus I was thinking this may be a slow sign for Mars, but it adds stamina and perseverance. To the individual. Moon Squares Mars in 9th work travel/adventure provoke strong emotions. Moon Square Saturn work houses Air/Earth a mental physical perseverance. Mars/Pluto aspect amazing physical/power.

Chart number 4 - Spiritual person - Asc Virgo, Neptune - Spirituality part of this person. Self daily routine, work.

Sun Square Jupiter, Sun Square Uranus in 9th, Moon opposed Jupiter.

Mercury square Mars/Pisces around the spiritual degree. Mars/Neptune aspect, Jupiter Neptune aspect.
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P.S I couldn't see the chart patterns in the chart so my T.Square I noted might be too wide. There was no degrees next to the planets to check quickly. Excuse my mistakes.
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Pisces can at times be feisty and fiery more so then a cancer anyhow.
Oh yes, my moon in Pisces understands this, flustered and fussed too! But not enough to even kill a spider...

I'm learning all the time here.

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I remember I once read somewhere that serial killers have some sort of stressful connection between the12th and the8th house...Thinking of that,in the4th chart,the12th house is ruled by the Sun,the Sun(located in the house of inner security)is disposed by Saturn,which is in the8th and in it's fall!Not only,but the Sun(ruler of the12th)squares the8th house cusp with something like a1ºorb.
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This is an excellent excersize. Thanks for it. These are my thoughts and really have been formed with the help of all the other input thus far.
#1 athelete- mars on an angle(Guaqalin studies, i'm sorry i cannot remember the correct spelling of his name). Also, moon and pluto conjunct on MC- the conjunction of these two would suggest a strong mothering influence in this athelete's life.
#2 spiritual medium-12th house moon in sagittarius, like Princess Diana and mother Teresa. I have seen Sagittarius and Virgo moons to be called the "monastic" moons. Pluto can be a very powerful healer when connected with the 8th house and conjunct the sun here would indicate a person who has a personality which is in-touch with and can offer support to the healer within. Sun is trine moon so they work together in this chart. Sun conjunct mercury helps with ability to communicate in dynamic ways. I was suprised not to see more water influence in the chart but moon in 12th house is pisces' domain and 8th is scorpio's.
#3serial killer. It was said at the beginning of this post that mars/pluto conflicts in a chart represent aggression and this chart is full of them. Mars square sun and moon and pluto square mars and oppose sun and moon from the 12th house where it cuddles up with POF. This is where I see how we come in with these certain dispositions and i feel for the folks who come in so conflicted.
#4adult movie star-Venus in Aquarius leads to the ability to distance oneself from attachment and i would see this as a necessary trait in the **** industry. Also this person has moon in the second so there will be a drive toward attaining wealth. Mars and jupiter conjunct in 7th house, benefit through relationships and mars in pisces so this person would seem a lover more than a fighter. Pluto/power in the eleventh house(friends and groups) in leo(a proud nature). Also sun square moon points to the idea that the left hand doesn't necessarily agree with what the right is doing. Pluto trine mars suggest an easy flow between this person's power and drives.
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Really interesting responses, keep them coming. I see that I will have rather a lot to respond to when I reveal the answers, and the thread is still growing, but I don't mind that. When I reveal, I will try to be thorough in highlighting where each of you have made significant observations.

Remember, if you don't want to attempt all four charts, you might want to select one or two charts to focus upon, do as you wish.

I await your observations with interest Frisiangal. The Black Moon's are listed especially.

I'm glad so many of you find this exercise interesting, I was inspired by Bob's post where he put up the nativity and asked us to observe what kind of person the chart may belong to. We ought to do this sort of thing more often.

When I selected these four charts, I thought I had chosen four very different kinds of people, but on thinking about it, an athlete, a male **** star and a killer are all under the rulership of Mars, with the exception of the medium. Please don't in anyway take this as some sort of clue, it isn't, if you take it as such it could mislead, then again, perhaps not, I'm just sharing my thoughts. Perhaps it is my own fascination with Mars that lead me to select these types.

To remind you, all the charts belong to men. Three are American and one is Canadian. Three are still living, and one is now dead. Two of them were born in the Forties, and two in the Fifties.

I wonder if alongside trying to relate career to the chart, anyone might be able to deduce which of these persons is now dead?

Bob, might you join in on this? It would be interesting to read your observations.
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Thanks for all your help! Deal me in!

Chart #1

- Leo (self-expression, also performing arts) modifying Midheaven (outer world)
So there is an interest in being "on stage" in the outer world

- Leo modifying Pluto (transformation, also sex) conjunct (energy is combined with) South node (the past), easiness with sexual performance at an early age

- Scorpio (transformation, also sex) modifying Mars (being, also action, ancient ruler of Scorpio) conjunct (energy is combined with) Ascendant (self)
Sex is something they are personally active in

- Pluto sextile (energy goes easily with) Neptune (spirituality, also illusion, movies) focused in the 12th house (spirituality, also illusion, movies)

- Taurus (physical) modifying Jupiter (expansion) focused in the 7th house (relationships)
- very expansive in their physical relationships

**** star


Chart #2

- Kite to Virgo (daily work) modifying North node (future goals) conjunct Midheaven (outer world) conjunct Jupiter (expansion) conjunct Scorpio (transformation, also death) modifying Neptune (spirituality)
Easy strong spiritual connection to the dead

- Many planets focused in the 8th house (transformation, also death), part of the kite
More dead connections

- Kite links in 12th house (spirituality)
More spirituality

- Kite links in Moon (home, also unconscious)
Psychic connections

Psychic with medium abilities


Chart #3

- Strong T-squares to Taurus (physical) modifying Mars (being, also action) focused in the 9th house (expansion, also sports)
Strong interest in physical sport

- T-square between the nodes to Jupiter (expansion, also sports)
More sports

- Taurus (physical) modifying Midheaven (outer world)
A need to be "physical" in the outer world

- Leo (self-expression, also performing arts) modifying Ascendant (self)
A need to be "onstage" and recognized

- Leo (self-expression, also performing arts) modifying Pluto (transformation, also power) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Sun (self-expression, also performing arts)
A POWERFUL need to be recognized

Sports person


Chart #4

- Pluto (transformation, also control) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Venus (relationships)
A need to be in control in relationships

- Mars (being, also anger) focused in the 7th house (relationships)
Anger in relationships

- Pluto (transformation, also power) focused in the 11th house (friends, also shocking, rebellion) trine (energy goes easily with) Mars focused in the 7th house
His anger has an outlet into powerful, shocking rebellion

- Taurus (physical) modifying unaspected (strong energy) Uranus (friends, also shocking, rebellion) focused in the 9th house (expansion)
Ability to shocking, physical, rebelling things in a big way...which he doesn't "connect in" to

Serial killer


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Re: Who's Who? An Astrological Exploration.

Mystery Person -1
Mars in the 1st house and this house belongs to death(Scorpio),Jupiter giving full supports,Jupiter is the Lord of 2nd House,this house belongs to physical money.Mars is squire to 4th house,this house related to people,always Mars kill to 4th, if there are bad effects of Saturn,or Rahu or Ketu,Saturn give full supports from 11th house,and for the gains Mars can make killing works,Pluto and Moon from 10th house giving opposition from 10th house,This person always busy in the meeting with lower catogary’s persons,Jupiter from 7th house give supports to Sun,Lord of 10th house,Venus,Lord of 7th,and 12th,houses,Mercury,the lord of 8th house (Business of Death related things) lord of 11th house,(Desires to gains or make profits by the deaths) it means this person is serial Killer.
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Saturn in 12th house with Moon,Saturn is the lord of 1st house and 2nd house,has relation with lord of 7th,and 12th house is the house of Paranormal strength and House of soul,Rahu in the 9th house,life of this person depends on the out side souls,like describing the nature and effects of 12th house,and Rahu giving strength for the saying words those have relations with out side world,Neptune and Jupiter both are creater of feelings to others,Jupiter support the knowledge of feelings and also giving good knowledge about the paranormal strength,having faith on life after death.Jupiter providing strength to Saturn and Saturn giving full strength to Rahu,it is the image of a good fortune tellers,and spiritualist medium,
Mystery Person-3
Simple reading for this person,Mars in the 9th house,and in his own house,giving full supports to Pluto in the 12th house,this house is the house of Movie Cemara house is pluto is there,Also Part of fortuna in the 12th,this house also related to Rahu and Jupiter,both are out side brighter,if 9th giving supports to this house.Venus in 7th house,having full oppositions with 1st house and not any interfares from any stars.this chart have full image of a Actor,or Adult movie star.Sun with Moon and Mercury,in 6th house,it means this chart related to female adult movie star.
Mystery Person-4
Moon and Rahu in the 2nd house,gains from arrengement of games from many companeies,Sun,Mercury with part of fortuna in the 4th house,money counting from the house games,4th house,Jupiter with Mars in the 7th house giving full knowledge of running,Pluto with opposition with Venus,wife busy with seeing to this person in TV.This Chart making image of a Athlete.
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Hi Draco, haven't seen you for a long time! Nice puzzle you gave us.
I will start with chart no. 4. I think that one is the serial killer. Most personal planets, Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus are below the horizon, making the person very introvert and private, as well as secretive with the ruler of the 12th, the Sun, situated in the 4th.There is a strong 8th house connection to be found in this chart. Jupiter, ruler of the 4th (and therefore of all the 4th house planets) is in Mutual reception with Mars, ruler of the 8th and Saturn, ruler of the Sun is in the 8th house and trines the ruler of the Ascendant. So there is an indication of very deep fear (Saturn) death and sex related to private selfexpression (Sun in 4th) in this chart. Makes me think that he did not like prostitution or anything else related to sex and therefore maybe killed prostitutes? (Venus in the 5th).
What struck me is that Uranus is unaspected in this chart (Uranus co-ruler of Capricorn and therefore the Sun) in Taurus in the 9th, showing extreme life philosofies and most certainly feels that he is different from anyone else.He has very fixed ideas. Uranus is in mutual reception with Venus in Aquarius in the 5th, so the way he thinks about sex (or romance) is quite "unique" and plays a role in his opinions.It also shows that he does not like to be close to others. Neptune in the 1st often shows someone who finds it hard to give him/herself an identity. Neptune squares Mercury (in 4), ruler of the 10th. With the ruler of the 10th in the 4th, you can imagine someone who works at home or has hîs business there. Mercury, ruler 1, squares the ruler of the 7th house, Neptune showing difficulties in relation to others as well as in relation to society as a whole. He feels outcast. With the ruler of the 7th in the 1st, he also does not really need other people.
Last but not least, his Mars conjunct Jupiter, both trine Pluto and both square the Ascendant and MC rulers shows destructive aggression towards others and society. His Mercury, the way he thinks, is ruled by Jupiter and is influenced by the same aggression. He is very clever as well but the Pisces Mars can make his thinking unrealistic and dangerous. I wonder how far off I am here. This chart could also be the actor with a very private life.
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Nearly everybody has guessed the 4th person as the Murderer, and I have guessed this person as having a spiritual chart, Oh well you can all have a good laugh if it turns out to be the serial killer. And I will burn all my astrology books in a tantrum . I am going to have a another look at chart No 4.

It will be an interesting exercise, and we all learn were we might have gone wrong on interpretation. But as Draco said there was a similar theme with Killer/Sex/Sport all coming under the influence of Mars.
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OK, next one is chart no.3. That one is I think, the actor, based on the grand trine between ruler Ascendant, Sun, with Neptune in the 2nd (glamour, income through a Neptunian occupancy) and Uranus in the 10th of career and Uranus being the ruler of his Moon conjunct Mercury in 6 (working with emotional expression) and making a living of it (2nd.house Mercury ruled).
Venus on the 1oth house cusp, a Venusian career, glamour, attraction in the 7th house of others (the public). Sun, Moon and Mercury in 6 could mean that he was employed as a moviestar by some important Movie company (Warner Brothers or something like that). Ruler of the 6th in the 10th shows that his work turned out to be his career. He could have been a workoholic with the ruler of the Ascendant in the 6th, as well as his Moon.
Finally, ruler of the 5th of selfexpression, also situated in the 10th house of career.
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