leomoon
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That definitely applies to the late Shel Silverstein (see my prior post about him)
and Wikipedia link for all his talents and many contributions.
how the right misunderstands everyone else
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That definitely applies to the late Shel Silverstein (see my prior post about him)
and Wikipedia link for all his talents and many contributions.
waybread
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David, this quote is worth a thread on its own.
Basically aren't you suggesting that a leftist is anyone who gives a d*mn about poor people, planetary sustainability, and non-violence?
By today's standards, Jesus was a leftist.
Matthew 25: 35-40. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’
I get it that many on the far right are not Christians, but for those who are, these Gospel verses seem mighty liberal to me. There are more in the New Testament on the theme of caring for the vulnerable members of society.
On non-violence: Matthew 5: 38-39.You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also."
No sensible people approve of violence on either the right or the left.
On the Trump cult of personality, whom some have likened to the biblical King Cyrus of Persia, or even a messiah https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2021/01/17/trump-supporters-christianity-messiah-239736
Mark 13: 21. "And then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ’; or, ‘Behold, He is there’; do not believe him."
Jesus said the second greatest commandment was to love your neighbor as yourself. When asked, "Who is my neighbor?" Jesus gave the parable of the Good Samaritan: the man who helped a stranger in need.
But actually David, I strongly support the wise use of natural resources and wilderness preservation. I am a political moderate.
But to the hard right, according to Tim's post #381 that I linked, if you're not one of them, you must, by default be a leftist.
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david starling
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Strict Vegetarians and anti-tobacco zealots have that in common with Hitler. He also loved dogs!
david starling
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Where would a thread entitled "Jesus was a Leftist!" go? Spiritual, or Hot Topics board?
david starling
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I'm moderately moderate myself.
Oddity
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I like Shel Silverstein, too. Let us hope he's obscure enough now that the mob won't set its sights on him.
david starling
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Better visit Disneyland while you still can!
Oddity
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In the Hebrew version, Cyrus is a messiah. We had lots of them. It simply means someone doing a job that God appointed him to.
Trump - not a messiah, though he did a lot of good for the country with his policies (aside from spending like a drunken sailor, he may have even topped Obama there). Plus some lousy hires like Fauci and Christopher Wray.
Trump is an epic troll. Great for reality tv, not so great for a politician. He needlessly offended a lot of people because of that. Me - I was looking past personality into policies. I still don't understand why energy independence, opportunity zone investments that brought so many jobs to minorities, being the first president since Carter not to start a war, pulling troops out of Syria and Afghanistan, moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and all the peace treaties in the middle east are bad things. Or what about Operation Warp Speed?
Was all that evil? The guy's not a fascist. That I do not understand, except if you take the things he said about Charlottesville wildly out of context. He was not supporting white supremacists, and has said that about 2533 times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00RAteYexNA
I'd vote for him again, though I'd prefer someone like Rand Paul or Desantis - people who can get things done without pissing off so many people.
Oddity
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It may be too late, David. The Muppets now come with a warning label about their racism and xenophobia too!
Cary2
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Obviously it is the Left who misunderstands everyone else.
For instance, they accuse the right of many things. The accuse the right of being anti-science, but that is the Left's specialty.
Consider the science that shows by comparison that the Doom and Gloom of the Left is at odds with the science of climate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqIy8Ikv-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P5RW0Tmp-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZN2jt2cCU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5sGtj7QKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3hHi4sylxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z_IC3xrgJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkdbSxyXftc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWtaackIJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1FnWFlDvxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGqcweY1a3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgm3QOWt6Tc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVkAsPizAbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47bNzLj5E_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX8kEjSUr04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0
The Left have been wrong, but they are irresponsible. None of Al Gore's dire predictions have come true, but the Left feels no responsibility for their misinformation or their ignorant rants.
GMO science was poised to end world hunger by bringing cheap and sturdy crops for the world's poor and beleaguered, a Green Revolution. The Left smeared GMO as an evil technology utterly without evidence. The Left utterly ignored the result upon the poor of the Left's flaky conspiracy theories. They stormed lectures on the topic in order to prevent the spread of information and to limit the free speech of those who disagree.
The Left demanded that all scientific research into intelligence and IQ be stopped even though it is legitimate and necessary research for psychology. The Leftist anti-FreeSpeech hordes disrupted lectures on campuses so the information about IQ research could not be distributed. They called the experts racist without evidence.
We see the contradiction of Leftist's claims. The identitarian politics is actually racism and racial quotas. It is all about hiring and promoting based upon race and gender not qualifications or merit.
The Left call Donald Trump's popularity a cult worship without evidence and without sense. They live in fear that he will be elected again because they know their own candidates are grossly inferior. They smear what they hate, what they fear, and what they casually dismiss based on their imagined sophistication.
The new administration is imploding on its foolish policies and its incompetent officials.
Those who think Jesus is a Leftist have not studied Jesus. It is arrogant to pretend expertise based on a few quotes that were foolishly chosen. The Left's contempt for Jesus is well understood. The attacks on the Christian faith are the only thing heartfelt by the know-nothings who pretend to know more than they do.
Here's the latest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIRndjzXPUs
Incredible
For instance, they accuse the right of many things. The accuse the right of being anti-science, but that is the Left's specialty.
Consider the science that shows by comparison that the Doom and Gloom of the Left is at odds with the science of climate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqIy8Ikv-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P5RW0Tmp-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZN2jt2cCU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5sGtj7QKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3hHi4sylxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z_IC3xrgJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkdbSxyXftc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWtaackIJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1FnWFlDvxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGqcweY1a3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgm3QOWt6Tc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVkAsPizAbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47bNzLj5E_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX8kEjSUr04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0
The Left have been wrong, but they are irresponsible. None of Al Gore's dire predictions have come true, but the Left feels no responsibility for their misinformation or their ignorant rants.
GMO science was poised to end world hunger by bringing cheap and sturdy crops for the world's poor and beleaguered, a Green Revolution. The Left smeared GMO as an evil technology utterly without evidence. The Left utterly ignored the result upon the poor of the Left's flaky conspiracy theories. They stormed lectures on the topic in order to prevent the spread of information and to limit the free speech of those who disagree.
The Left demanded that all scientific research into intelligence and IQ be stopped even though it is legitimate and necessary research for psychology. The Leftist anti-FreeSpeech hordes disrupted lectures on campuses so the information about IQ research could not be distributed. They called the experts racist without evidence.
We see the contradiction of Leftist's claims. The identitarian politics is actually racism and racial quotas. It is all about hiring and promoting based upon race and gender not qualifications or merit.
The Left call Donald Trump's popularity a cult worship without evidence and without sense. They live in fear that he will be elected again because they know their own candidates are grossly inferior. They smear what they hate, what they fear, and what they casually dismiss based on their imagined sophistication.
The new administration is imploding on its foolish policies and its incompetent officials.
Those who think Jesus is a Leftist have not studied Jesus. It is arrogant to pretend expertise based on a few quotes that were foolishly chosen. The Left's contempt for Jesus is well understood. The attacks on the Christian faith are the only thing heartfelt by the know-nothings who pretend to know more than they do.
Here's the latest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIRndjzXPUs
Incredible
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david starling
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Those 13 entirely unnecessary executions REALLY pissed me off!!!
And, one on Human Rights Day, and a Black inmate on MLK's birthday.
Only female inmate eligible for executing, and the only Navaho.
He's contemptible. [IMO]
leomoon
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Its quite easy for me to understand why Rand Paul's neighbor beat the living **** out of him,
(and I'm a peacenik ordinarily), but I DO understand why.
He's hard to take and I can't even imagine living next door to him for very long. I'd move without a doubt !
As for deSantis. Isn't he that Republican governor of Florida who didn't care when all those old people died under his watch? He didn't want masks, or to do what the CDC recommended as I recall. Same with the Texas Governor NOW. Watch the numbers go up again.
The only Republican I might vote for would be Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland/
(and I'm a peacenik ordinarily), but I DO understand why.He's hard to take and I can't even imagine living next door to him for very long. I'd move without a doubt !
As for deSantis. Isn't he that Republican governor of Florida who didn't care when all those old people died under his watch? He didn't want masks, or to do what the CDC recommended as I recall. Same with the Texas Governor NOW. Watch the numbers go up again.
The only Republican I might vote for would be Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland/
Oddity
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Not a fan of the death penalty myself. Many states dropped it because they hanged the wrong guy - sometimes they hanged several of the wrong guys.
Nonetheless, I recognise this is one of those hot button issues where compelling arguments can be made on both sides.
Nonetheless, I recognise this is one of those hot button issues where compelling arguments can be made on both sides.
Cary2
Banned
You hate Trump and his supporters.
You are not arguing your point. You are declaring what your likes and dislikes are.
If you have lots and lots of EMOTION, then you must be right and anyone who diagrees must be evil. Snowflake logic.
That it the mind-numbing rationale of the Left.
Ignore science but blame others for that.
Don't debate; but shut down free speech and clear discussion.
Hate, WITH A PASSION THOSE WHO DISAGREE. If they are capable of arguing their point, HATE THEM MORE.
THAT'S WHAT I CALL A CULT. THE CO2 CULT.
david starling
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Oddity
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Rand's fiery, I agree. But he really cuts through the bullsh!t. Something I always appreciate in a politician.
Looking at the stats, even with Florida being open, it seems to have been (and still is) doing better than California, New York - slightly smaller pop states with lots more deaths and sickness. Better than Texas, too, though I'm not sure of their lockdown policies, except they just lifted whatever ones they had.
Of course with what happened in NY and Pennsylvania, we had idiots at the helm deciding it was a good thing to put infected people in care homes, which really upped the body count.
I hope Cuomo's head will roll. Ditto Rachel Levine, but, sadly, she will probably be one of Biden's appointments (took her mum OUT of a care home before she sent the infected people to them). Just what American health policy needs. Ugh.
Looking at the stats, even with Florida being open, it seems to have been (and still is) doing better than California, New York - slightly smaller pop states with lots more deaths and sickness. Better than Texas, too, though I'm not sure of their lockdown policies, except they just lifted whatever ones they had.
Of course with what happened in NY and Pennsylvania, we had idiots at the helm deciding it was a good thing to put infected people in care homes, which really upped the body count.
I hope Cuomo's head will roll. Ditto Rachel Levine, but, sadly, she will probably be one of Biden's appointments (took her mum OUT of a care home before she sent the infected people to them). Just what American health policy needs. Ugh.
Its quite easy for me to understand why Rand Paul's neighbor beat the living **** out of him,
He's hard to take and I can't even imagine living next door to him for very long. I'd move without a doubt !
As for deSantis. Isn't he that Republican governor of Florida who didn't care when all those old people died under his watch? He didn't want masks, or to do what the CDC recommended as I recall. Same with the Texas Governor NOW. Watch the numbers go up again.
The only Republican I might vote for would be Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland/
leomoon
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Ref: Texas - President Biden just commented (and it was released) on the opening of ALL of Texas by their Governor. He called him a "Neanderthal thinker" I think that's about rightRand's fiery, I agree. But he really cuts through the bullsh!t. Something I always appreciate in a politician.
Looking at the stats, even with Florida being open, it seems to have been (and still is) doing better than California, New York - slightly smaller pop states with lots more deaths and sickness. Better than Texas, too, though I'm not sure of their lockdown policies, except they just lifted whatever ones they had.
I don't like him in the political realm (or as a neighbor) for many reasons, but 2 of them would be 1) He's an Ayn Rand fan as his father is
2) He is a known "obstructionist"
Senator Bernie Sanders is "fiery", but I love him with a passion!He has "heart" and the other seems to have just a ticker which one day will give out. Bernie's heart will live on in many.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-mocks-texas-mississippi-lifting-200608958.html
New York has the huge International Airports to contend with unlike the other States. That makes a very large difference in so-far as the Covid 19 and the variants coming in thru JFK likely. It really only takes one sick person to infect many many more as they are passing through.
I loved to travel overseas, but hated going through New York first. Usually, thats the only place you go if on tours or even to get the International Flights direct.
waybread
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Actually no, Cary. You falsely attribute incorrect motives to me.
None of my points were "simple little answer solving society's tenacious problems." They were specific responses to Tim Wilson's specific post #281 on the thread https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...137715&page=12
Moderator Tim Wilson posted a long, detailed anti-leftist message to me but shut down the thread before I could respond.
Hey, Cary. I agree that I'm not out to "answer the world's problems." Again, I responded to specific arguments made by Tim Wilson in a specific post.
Agreed, Cary. I don't have the "time or space," let alone inclination, to tackle all of the world's problems on a chat thread in an astrology forum.
You can call me arrogant or whatnot all you like. It's irrelevant to my rebuttal of Tim Wilson's argument in a specific post on a specific thread. Arguments stand or fall on their own intrinsic merits.
But you clearly misread by posts.
Nowhere did I say that Jesus obliged Christians to set up a big centralized government. (Actually the one that he lived under was the Roman empire.) If you read the letters of Paul and the apostles in the New Testament, you will see that the first Christians did set up communitarian communities, however.
Like what words, Cary? Do you mean the Gnostic Gospels? (Those sort of ended as heresies with the rise of the Catholic Church.) Do you mean the Book of Mormon? What has happened is a lot of subsequent interpretation (exegesis, homiletics) put forth by theologians.
On your next argument, Cary, see my post previous to this one in response to a post by David Starling. I'm not making up the Gospels texts that I quoted verbatim. I can post more proof texts if you wish.
Again, nowhere did I make the astonishing leap of logic that you make. I'm a political moderate, hey? I'm not a leftist. Nowhere do I stick up for socialists or condemn capitalism. Nowhere did I say that the teachings of Jesus mandated a particular government structure. They do mandate concern and action.
But we could look up federal government expansion under Republican administrations. We could look at how the federal deficit ballooned under Republican administrations, if you wish.
However, Cary-- you amply illustrate my thread title: that the right misunderstands everyone else.
I am completely honest, Cary. Can I say the same of you, in attributing words to me that I did not say and cannot mean.
You use the word "tidy" as pejorative. Hey, Virgo rising here!
JD Rockefeller died in 1937. Now the world's biggest philanthropists are people you probably love to hate, including Bill and Melinda Gates, George Soros, and Michael Bloomberg. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jennif...making-the-biggest-donations/?sh=479c23034e8f
I think it's great that JD Rockefeller was a major philanthropist. Nobody is commending Stalin, for Pete's sake.
The rest of your post veers off into Biblical exegesis, and a lot of nonsense that I didn't say and do not believe-- and all wrapped up with a tidy bow, to boot! It appears that you are an extreme Libertarian, though, in advocating the dismantling of Social Security, health care for seniors and homeless kids, and the US military: all part of today's big government.
I'll debate scripture with you any day of the week with one hand tied behind my back, Cary: but on a thread that does not hijack this one.
So again , you have amply illustrated the validity of my thread title. To you, people either belong to the hard right, or they utterly embrace everything you think you know about political leftists. You apparently inhabit a binary world.
Hey, thanks, Cary. :kiss:
None of my points were "simple little answer
Moderator Tim Wilson posted a long, detailed anti-leftist message to me but shut down the thread before I could respond.
Hey, Cary. I agree that I'm not out to "answer the world's problems." Again, I responded to specific arguments made by Tim Wilson in a specific post.
Agreed, Cary. I don't have the "time or space," let alone inclination, to tackle all of the world's problems on a chat thread in an astrology forum.
You can call me arrogant or whatnot all you like. It's irrelevant to my rebuttal of Tim Wilson's argument in a specific post on a specific thread. Arguments stand or fall on their own intrinsic merits.
But you clearly misread by posts.
Nowhere did I say that Jesus obliged Christians to set up a big centralized government. (Actually the one that he lived under was the Roman empire.) If you read the letters of Paul and the apostles in the New Testament, you will see that the first Christians did set up communitarian communities, however.Like what words, Cary? Do you mean the Gnostic Gospels? (Those sort of ended as heresies with the rise of the Catholic Church.) Do you mean the Book of Mormon? What has happened is a lot of subsequent interpretation (exegesis, homiletics) put forth by theologians.
On your next argument, Cary, see my post previous to this one in response to a post by David Starling. I'm not making up the Gospels texts that I quoted verbatim. I can post more proof texts if you wish.
Again, nowhere did I make the astonishing leap of logic that you make. I'm a political moderate, hey? I'm not a leftist. Nowhere do I stick up for socialists or condemn capitalism. Nowhere did I say that the teachings of Jesus mandated a particular government structure. They do mandate concern and action.
But we could look up federal government expansion under Republican administrations. We could look at how the federal deficit ballooned under Republican administrations, if you wish.
However, Cary-- you amply illustrate my thread title: that the right misunderstands everyone else.
I am completely honest, Cary. Can I say the same of you, in attributing words to me that I did not say and cannot mean.
You use the word "tidy" as pejorative. Hey, Virgo rising here!
JD Rockefeller died in 1937. Now the world's biggest philanthropists are people you probably love to hate, including Bill and Melinda Gates, George Soros, and Michael Bloomberg. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jennif...making-the-biggest-donations/?sh=479c23034e8f
I think it's great that JD Rockefeller was a major philanthropist. Nobody is commending Stalin, for Pete's sake.
The rest of your post veers off into Biblical exegesis, and a lot of nonsense that I didn't say and do not believe-- and all wrapped up with a tidy bow, to boot! It appears that you are an extreme Libertarian, though, in advocating the dismantling of Social Security, health care for seniors and homeless kids, and the US military: all part of today's big government.
I'll debate scripture with you any day of the week with one hand tied behind my back, Cary: but on a thread that does not hijack this one.
So again , you have amply illustrated the validity of my thread title. To you, people either belong to the hard right, or they utterly embrace everything you think you know about political leftists. You apparently inhabit a binary world.
Hey, thanks, Cary. :kiss:
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leomoon
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OR by the guy sitting on the other side of the sheet hanging in the backyard taking notes.
https://religions.wiki/index.php/Joseph_Smith_was_a_con_man
Forgive me, I couldn't resist.
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The Left/Dems HATE God, any reference to God & any intrusion of God in American Life. NO Spiritual Master would be a Democrat/Marxist because they are in direct opposition to the spiritual/religious life. Remember what their hero said: "Religion is Opium for the Masses".
ANY spiritual/religious Teacher would oppose the Left's support for abortion-on-demand, including partial-birth abortions. EVERY human life is sacred to the spiritual, including the life of a baby in the womb.
For Way Bread to imply that Master Jesus would be a Democrat socialist is a great insult & an abomination to those of the Christian faith. Faith, Hope & Charity was his message.......not kill, destroy, divide, steal & pillage....which is exactly what the Democrat Party does every day
. Endless wars with loss of lives, endless murder of babies, endless hate, endless division. Stealing from the taxpayer with their endless 'pork' bills disguised as 'philanthropy' when it all trickles back to them to lead their lives of luxury. I do know that Jesus particularly HATED hypocrisy & the Left are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
Of course, it will go over their hypocritical heads as Pelosi/Cuomo/Xiden wear their 'ashes' on air to virtue signal of how 'Christian' they are. All while erasing God from their own Party & the country & imposing their satanic idol to worship.
He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
ANY spiritual/religious Teacher would oppose the Left's support for abortion-on-demand, including partial-birth abortions. EVERY human life is sacred to the spiritual, including the life of a baby in the womb.
For Way Bread to imply that Master Jesus would be a Democrat socialist is a great insult & an abomination to those of the Christian faith. Faith, Hope & Charity was his message.......not kill, destroy, divide, steal & pillage....which is exactly what the Democrat Party does every day
. Endless wars with loss of lives, endless murder of babies, endless hate, endless division. Stealing from the taxpayer with their endless 'pork' bills disguised as 'philanthropy' when it all trickles back to them to lead their lives of luxury. I do know that Jesus particularly HATED hypocrisy & the Left are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
Of course, it will go over their hypocritical heads as Pelosi/Cuomo/Xiden wear their 'ashes' on air to virtue signal of how 'Christian' they are. All while erasing God from their own Party & the country & imposing their satanic idol to worship.
He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.