New to Horary. A few questions.

GentlyJohnny

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I read from a post here that says "a rule of horary is that you get to ask a question only once, by any means of divination" and "it's not a good idea to try to force the oracle. You can't fool it...Asking "when" assumes that you know the fates..."; my questions are
1. What happens if a person messed up the question, either by asking when, how, or who etc, the first time?
2. What happens if there is constantly a tug of war over the question be asked; e.g. the heart wants to phrase a (seemingly) foolish question when the head thinks it is better to ask a more (rationally) important question?
3. How to rectify the aforementioned issues?
 

Chrysalis

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I read from a post here that says "a rule of horary is that you get to ask a question only once, by any means of divination" and "it's not a good idea to try to force the oracle. You can't fool it...Asking "when" assumes that you know the fates..."; my questions are
Your worrying too much.

But yes a horary will answer you only once, if you don't like the answer and do another one an hr or two later, your gonna get the same answer. ONLY can you ask horary again on the same matter IF the circumstances have changed somewhat since you last asked.
1. What happens if a person messed up the question, either by asking when, how, or who etc, the first time?
Im sure the chart would still answer you, even though you got the who,why the wrong way around. From a "when" query you can usually get a why/who answer also anyway.
2. What happens if there is constantly a tug of war over the question be asked; e.g. the heart wants to phrase a (seemingly) foolish question when the head thinks it is better to ask a more (rationally) important question?
you just ask what you ask, there's a reason you ask what you ask ...stop over analyzing what your asking or not asking.
3. How to rectify the aforementioned issues?

Stop stressing.
 
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GentlyJohnny

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Stop stressing.

Eh...it just dawned on me that I don't even know how Horary works in practice :rolleyes:
So one thinks of a question, I am guessing, enters the time when the question is asked, the current location of theirs? That's it? Which house system should be chosen?
 

Sagittarius Jupiter

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Eh...it just dawned on me that I don't even know how Horary works in practice :rolleyes:
So one thinks of a question, I am guessing, enters the time when the question is asked, the current location of theirs? That's it? Which house system should be chosen?

What she means I think is that you should go by your own forces of power! :w00t:

I mean regarding the house system, and the like...

Start choosing your own! :pinched:
 

Chrysalis

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Eh...it just dawned on me that I don't even know how Horary works in practice :rolleyes:
So one thinks of a question, I am guessing, enters the time when the question is asked, the current location of theirs? That's it? Which house system should be chosen?

No you don't THINK of a question, you don't sit there thinking what you can ask.

If you ever have a pressing concern/matter that you need an answer to then this is when horary can help you.

Example: a girls seeing a guy and he's recently been very cold with her which is making her anxious thinking that hes seeing someone else. So girl asks if X is seeing someone else, the time the question entered her head was 1.31pm...she really wants to know, as she has this bad feeling.

So there's got to be like an urge to ask iykwim, not just randomly asking whatever just for the sake of it...like some people do....or thinking of something to ask.

Location would be location you are in when you ask the question...if your on vacation in hong kong then you'll put hongkong, if uve gone to visit someone for the day in another city then you'll put that city.

House system is usually regio, but its usually personal preference, as some use placidus and some use whole signs, i personally use a mixture of wholesigns and regio.
 

GentlyJohnny

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No you don't THINK of a question, you don't sit there thinking what you can ask.

If you ever have a pressing concern/matter that you need an answer to then this is when horary can help you.


No I don't mean think in that sense, I mean think as in the way to phrase a question. For example I am dying to find out what I am cut out for, especially vocational wise. And now I have to think about how to ask that question, it is pointless to ask what my next job would be (or is it?), it might make more sense if I asked should I be a nurse, yet it seems too specific (though doable if I just keep repeating the question with different jobs); so now my thoughts are all about how to ask the question instead of what I really wanna ask - what am I cut out for.
 

Chrysalis

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No I don't mean think in that sense, I mean think as in the way to phrase a question. For example I am dying to find out what I am cut out for, especially vocational wise. And now I have to think about how to ask that question, it is pointless to ask what my next job would be (or is it?), it might make more sense if I asked should I be a nurse, yet it seems too specific (though doable if I just keep repeating the question with different jobs); so now my thoughts are all about how to ask the question instead of what I really wanna ask - what am I cut out for.

Nah i don't think horary is really suited for this type of question, surely your natal chart will be of more use as to what profession you are more suited towards. Regarding next job then look at your transits/progressions.

Now say you've been for a job interview and want to know if you'll get the job....this is when horary comes in useful.
 

Oddity

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Here's how you ask. You have a pressing question, the kind of thing that keeps you awake at night. You try to resolve the question by normal means, but you can't.

Then you think about what you really want to know. Medieval astrologers, and even early moderns suggested you spend a day in prayer before asking. People will seldom do that now, but a bit of meditation beforehand won't hurt.

At that point, you hopefully know what you want to ask - then ask it.

Not as complicated as it sounds.
 

JUPITERASC

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No I don't mean think in that sense, I mean think as in the way to phrase a question. For example I am dying to find out what I am cut out for, especially vocational wise. And now I have to think about how to ask that question, it is pointless to ask what my next job would be (or is it?), it might make more sense if I asked should I be a nurse, yet it seems too specific (though doable if I just keep repeating the question with different jobs); so now my thoughts are all about how to ask the question instead of what I really wanna ask - what am I cut out for.
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07-06-2011, 08:18 PM
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The theory behind Horary is very simple:

1) there is a Question that weighs very heavily on your mind.

2) when you have a clear understanding of what it is that you really want to know,
you cast a chart
or
an astrologer casts one for you


3) That freezes the Planets as they transit the heavens at that moment (hence: Horary)

4) the Rising Sign and Planet that rules the Rising Sign represents you

5) the House, or often more correctly, the Sign that represents the Matter you're asking about and the Planet that rules that Sign represents the Matter. The Matter can be a person or a thing or an idea (like a rumor or a dream).

6) the relationship between those two rulers tells you what has happened, and what is yet to come. That relationship is in the form of aspects. If there are no aspects, then there is nothing to come.

7) the Moon plays a special dual-role signifying the State of Mind of the Querent and also how things play out, how they happen, and when they happen. When there are no aspects formed by the Moon (ie it is Void of Course) then nothing will happen. Note that there are a handful of certain special select Horary Questions where a Void of Course Moon is not relevant. Those are often war, conflict or legal questions, or Questions related to Career.

8) in addition to forming aspects, those Planets must also have Perfect Reception, as opposed to simple Reception. Reception is about "allowing." For example if Mars is applying in aspect to Jupiter, and Jupiter receives Mars then Jupiter is allowing Mars to act. Jupiter is effectively saying, "Go ahead and do that thing that you do." If Jupiter does not receive Mars, then Jupiter is effectively saying, "Go away and leave me alone. Go. Get out of here." If it is a Sign of Enmity, like Mars in Capricorn (the Fall of Jupiter) then Jupiter is effectively saying, "Cease and Desist. I will stop you from doing anything. If necessary, I may even get violent to stop you." And that just might be the case if Jupiter were also in a Violent Sign, otherwise Jupiter would just keep slamming doors in your face.

9) How things actually play out depends a lot on the "strength" of the Planets involved. The strength of the Planets indicates their ability to do act and do things and carry out plans and make things happen. A Planet that is not just in its own Sign, but also in its Triplicity or Term, and is Direct in Motion, Fast in Speed, Angular or Succedent, in Hayz, in a trine aspect with Venus/Jupiter/Sun is very powerful. That's a person with a purpose in life who has both the will and ability to act and make things happen.

A Planet that is Slow in Speed, Retrograde, in Fall/Detriment, Cadent, and not in Sect or worse is Out-of Sect isn't going to be able to do anything, even when there is Perfect Reception in the chart, this person is going to botch every thing up and turn a dream about ponies and gum-drops into a nightmare, because they don't have the strength or will to make things happen.

10) when charts have early/late Ascendants, Void of Course Moons, Moon via Combusta, Saturn in the 1st or 7th House (when not a significator) you can look at the chart for reasons why you are getting those warnings.

Often a non-significator Planet is making an aspect to one of the primary significators. Sextiles and trines usually indicate on-going events which first must be completed before anything can happen. Conjunctions, squares and opposition usually indicate obstacles that are preventing things from happening, and with the "hard" aspects sometimes things can still happen if those obstacles can be overcome.

The condition and placement of the Moon/Ascendant Ruler will tell you the State of Mind and what kind of person the Querent is; good-hearted, or ambivalent, or in sheer terror, in a total panic, has the "stink of desperation" or is immature and selfish, looking do to harm, or is someone you wouldn't let your dog go near. The Planet that is the Quesited/Matter will tell you about them, but not with the same clarity as the Querent. A poorly placed 10th House Ruler might be a job you really don't want, because it ain't all that or isn't what you think it is. A poorly placed 7th House Ruler is someone you might not really want to be with, or something you don't really want to buy and so on.

For a Planet (like the Ascendant Ruler) in Detriment, it is important that it make an aspect to the 1st House (ie it is not inconjunct in the 2nd, 6th, 8th or 12th Houses), and for other significators that it aspect the House it rules. A Planet that is inconjunct to the House it rules can't witness or give testimony to the affairs of that House. That means it cannot control those events, and being weak in Detriment has even less control and less ability to effect outcomes.
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