If you have saturn in a house do you dislike people or what that house represents?
Saturn in 7th here. Getting divorced after a very difficult marriage.
It could just as much asked of you that you would be more disciplined and focused in addressing the issues. And so Saturn told you what to do to fix it, but you chose not to do it, and thus ended in divorce.
The cause of the divorce was not Saturn, but your unwillingness to follow the directives of Saturn to fix it at the last possible chance.
Saturn often gets a bad rap because Saturn tells you the hard stuff that you have to do to solve problems.
It could just as much asked of you that you would be more disciplined and focused in addressing the issues. And so Saturn told you what to do to fix it, but you chose not to do it, and thus ended in divorce.
The cause of the divorce was not Saturn, but your unwillingness to follow the directives of Saturn to fix it at the last possible chance.
Saturn often gets a bad rap because Saturn tells you the hard stuff that you have to do to solve problems.
I am not sure what you mean by day chart. If it is time of birth, I was born at 5 AM so before sunrise.
Saturn in the 12th where it joys, and also clustered with a number of other planets, so hard to isolate. I didn't really wake up to the possibility of unconscious and collective 12th house influences or the need for solitude until I was quite older, in my forties. I suppose around my second Saturn opposition. And when I finally was forced [Saturn ] into it, I found that it was an integral part of my life that I was longing for and that opened up more access to richness and meaning of that house.
Academia is a pretty strange place, anyway, and what they often ask of a person is almost unnatural, in my opinion [with my Sun and NN in the 9th, but NN is squared by Saturn].Saturn in 9th. I enrolled for ujiversity in my first return but now that Im in the 2nd I dont feel like finishing my studies. My solitary side makes it hard to be in the Academia
I am not sure what you mean by day chart. If it is time of birth, I was born at 5 AM so before sunrise.
It could just as much asked of you that you would be more disciplined and focused in addressing the issues. And so Saturn told you what to do to fix it, but you chose not to do it, and thus ended in divorce.
The cause of the divorce was not Saturn, but your unwillingness to follow the directives of Saturn to fix it at the last possible chance.
Saturn often gets a bad rap because Saturn tells you the hard stuff that you have to do to solve problems.
Day chart?
HOW SATURN IS AFFECTED BY SECT IN ASTROLOGYApotelesmatika1. Powers
SATURN is cooling and moderately drying
2. Qualities
SATURN and Mars are maleficent
17. Depressions
Aries is heating depression of SATURN
CAPRICORN is southern depression of Jupiter
27. Qualities
Saturn predominating indicates destruction by cold, with long illnesses, consumptions, withering, disturbances caused by fluids, rheumatisms, quartan fevers, falling, exile, poverty, imprisonment, mourning, fears, and deaths, especially among those advanced in age, scarcity and destruction of useful animals by disease, fearful cold, freezing, misty and pestilential corruption of air, clouds, gloom, multitude of destructive snowstorms, abundance of harmful reptiles, storms, the wreck of fleets, disastrous voyages, scarcity and death of fish, high and ebb tides of the seas, the excessive floods of rivers and pollution of their waters, want, scarcity and loss of crops, especially of those grown for necessary uses, through worms or locusts or floods or cloud-burst or hail, and the like
Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part II - Seven Stars
Saturn completes 2 sidereal cycles and 57 synodic cycles with 59 years.
It has retreating arcs of 7 degrees for 140 days.
Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.
Traditional astrology has a heavy emphasis on sect
as defining the overall strength and weakness of the planets.
Charts are either diurnal or nocturnal
depending on whether the sun is above or below the horizon.
The different planets are either diurnal or nocturnal also
and the quality of their function
is greatly influenced by
their agreeing or disagreeing with the sect of the chart.
The form of traditional astrology I practice uses whole sign houses
which go back to the Hellenistic era and were used for over a millennium.
In whole sign houses all of the sign the Ascendant is in is the first house,
all of the next sign is the second, so sign and house boundaries coincide.
Whole sign aspects, seeing and aversion.
In traditional astrology, a planet anywhere in Cancer is trine a planet anywhere in Pisces
regardless of how close they are by degree.
(Traditional astrology also uses degree-based aspects, but for different purpose.)
Traditional astrology uses only what are called the Ptolemaic aspects
– sextile, square, trine, and opposition.
(Conjunctions are also used, but strictly speaking they are not aspects.)
A planet that aspects another planet can ‘...see...’ that planet.
Any planets that do not have one of these aspects
are considered to be in aversion
meaning they can’t see each other
so there is a lack of awareness between them.
There are multiple levels of rulers used
– Lord or Ruler, Exaltation, Trigon or Triplicity
Bound or Term, and Face,
and all but face seem to have been widely used.
There is much heavier emphasis on the Lord of the Ascendant
than on the sun.
Traditional astrology is mainly framed around answering specific questions
about specific areas of life.
Traditional astrology uses only traditional rulerships.
Mars rules Scorpio, Jupiter rules Pisces, Saturn rules Aquarius.
Also, to traditional astrology, rulership does not mean affinity
it means that the planet is in charge of the affairs of that sign.
So
if you have a seventh house Taurus
the location and condition of Venus
are going to largely determine the nature and quality of your relationships.
for example TraditionallyTraditional astrology is rooted in a world view that is much more deterministic or fate-based.
In traditional astrology you are not so much looking to ‘...transcend...’ your chart
as to understand
or divine
(divin-ation, learning the will of the divine)
your place in the overall order.
I think of it as aligning yourself with the order of the universe
and
how you happen to fit in it.....
....Traditional astrology places a heavy emphasis
on evaluating the condition of planets
sometimes fortunate and sometimes very unfortunate.
Also, some planets are naturally helpful or benefic
for examplesome are naturally disruptive or malefic.
In traditional astrology all charts are not created equal
and not all planets are equally effective
some people are, if you will, fated for success, or good marriages or wealth
and some are fated to have rough lives in different ways.
So traditional astrology is much more focused towards a realistic evaluation of a chart
and how it works out in your life.
Traditional astrology does not ignore
or
gloss over
difficult or negative aspects of the chart.
....I have found that learning traditional astrology
has forced me to really think through
and come to terms with what I think is going on
when I read a chart for someone.
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In traditional astrology a planet in the 10th has nothing to do with capricorn
and a planet in Taurus has nothing to do with money.
.... signs in traditional astrology are used mostly as environments
within which the various planets can function
sometimes effectively, sometimes ineffectively.
The most important facts about the sign are
where is the ruler of that sign
and what shape is it in
and what planets are in that sign
and what shape are they in.
No Sign is intrinsically strong or weak.
It is made so by the planets in it
or
the lack thereof,
and
by its position amidst the house cusps.
Just for example
as the mutable water sign
we might see Pisces as "...weak..."
but if
someone has Pisces in the 10th house
with the MC, sun and Jupiter - domiciled there
with Jupiter trining the - domiciled moon in Cancer,
Pisces has strength in this situation.
Much more so than the sun intercepted in Scorpio - fixed water
in 12th house.
You get the picture.
There is no such thing as a weak sign.
There are weak placements
but no weak signs.
Signs are neutral.
They have descriptions, sure, like human, mute, violent, bestial,
fertile, barren, crooked, long ascending, and on and on,
but at the end of the day
THE SIGNS ARE NEUTRAL.
IT'S THE PLANETS
both in and that rule them
THAT BRING SIGNS TO LIFE
TROPICAL Astrological SIGNS are distinct from the CONSTELLATIONS
with which over centuries, they were conflated
Originally, SIGN meant simply "...a Sign of the SEASON..."
because
SIGNS were basically a Calender of the Seasons
which followed the Seasonal Path of the Sun on the Ecliptic
source material
HISTORY OF THE ZODIAC
an in-depth exploration of the origins of the Babylonian Zodiac
and its location in the ecliptic
reveals that
the division of the ecliptic into tropical astrological signs
was originally a derivation of Euctemon's tropical Calendar of Seasons (432 B.C.)
QUOTE
"...dividing the solar year into twelve equal months commencing with the vernal equinox,
in which each solar (tropical) month is named after one of each of the twelve signs..."Dr. Robert Powell
If you have saturn in a house do you dislike people or what that house represents?
SATURN IS OF THE DIURNAL SECT aka DAY SECT
TABLE
HOW SATURN IS AFFECTED BY SECT IN ASTROLOGY
BRIEF overview of the concept of sect in astrology
which is
the difference between day charts
and night charts.
Sect is a fundamental concept used in Hellenistic astrology
only been recovered over the past THIRTY years
through translations of ancient texts.
this talk gives a broad introduction to sect
first by establishing
how pervasive the concept is in ancient astrology
and then
to demonstrate how it works in practice through chart examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfPLTQuB9M
In a diurnal chart
the Sun is the sect light AKA the leader of the sect
Jupiter and Saturn are planets of the Dirunal Sect.
If Saturn is above the horizon Diurnally - Saturn is happy
BUT
If below the horizon in the diurnal chart
Saturn is still of the diurnal sect
— still of the sect in favour
— but is not going to be as happy
as when Saturn is above horizon in diurnal chart
for example Traditionally
Jupiter aka The Greater Benefic is "...naturally helpful..."
for example
Traditionally
SATURN aka The Greater Malefic is "...naturally unhelpful..." "...naturally disruptive..."
SATURN is one of SEVEN CLASSICAL PLANETSIt must be a miracle I got this old.
Could it be the painfully acquired self-discipline?
Seems to me that at least bits that ugly laundry list most of the population must suffer, sign placement notwithstanding -though it'd most certainly guarantee hardship.
Sadalsuud and my trines MUST have saved me, because I'm unscathed by most of this. I should be hideous, untalented, crude, disease-ridden, and reek of halitosis!