The NHS (National Health Service) UK, back door sell off and Pluto/Uranus

The NHS started in 5 July 1948 in the UK. It may have been going on for a while, but it appears recently there have been quite a few stories of people not getting the treatment they need. I don't know where the problems stem from, because in principle it is a wonderful idea, we pay a regular sum of money towards our health treatment. But recently, there has also been talk of the government selling it off through the back door.

Privatising the health service just serves the corporates who value making money over people's health. It is a worry, especially for those who are already hard up due to so many factors here in the UK. Elderly people having to decide whether to heat their houses or buy food, due wildly escalating gas and electric bill rises. I have found the NHS to be a blessing when I needed it, especially when I had pneumonia. They helped my mum when her own doctor failed her.

I cannot understand why the NHS is in this state, maybe its because the
UK is fast becoming overcrowded with people wanting its services. The person I live with buys a certain paper that seems on a mission to bring the NHS down, every day there is a story of someone who has a complaint about it. Newspapers have agendas.

And this is my own theory, maybe a bit out there, but last summer during the olympics we had that opening ceremony that was said to be a magical ritual of some sort, but one of the acts was the NHS with strange hooded scary figures.

The principles of the NHS

The NHS was based on principles unlike anything that had gone before in health care. Few other countries followed this pathway outside the eastern (Soviet) block. Others tended to rely on insurance based schemes.

It was financed almost 100% from central taxation. The rich paid more than the poor for comparable benefits and Bevan regarded this as a crucial part of the scheme

Everyone was eligible for care, even people temporarily resident or visiting the country. People could be referred to any hospital, local or more distant.

Care was entirely free at the point of use, although prescription changes and dental charges were subsequently introduced

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The NHS Sun is 13 degree Cancer, makes me think of the care they have provided. Its got an interesting square to Neptune though, again this seems to highlight the good intentions in starting this organisation, maybe idealistic and with a need to help, sacrifice and ease suffering.

I don't know the time, so the houses may not be accurate. I took a 9am opening time.

Pluto is coming... never the nicest of words, but its coming to opposite the Sun, Uranus to square the Sun and oppose the Neptune. Seems to be a sure sign of a shake up, sell off.

There is a nodal opposition shortly too.

Last November, the solar eclipse was conjunct the NHS Chiron while squaring the Saturn, a wounding to the structures? The May 2013 solar eclipse is also opposing the Chiron and square Saturn. While transiting Saturn has been hovering over the NHS south node. Those two in combination is malefic. Saturn is actually just been sitting there over the node for quite some time.

Transiting Uranus doesn't exactly square the Sun yet, nor does Pluto exactly opposite the Sun. I think that happens in 2014. But the moves are being put into place by this government.

By November 2013, the Scorpio solar eclipse will exactly conjunct the NHS south lunar node (ending/release/tranformation), and the transiting Saturn will be back that the same spot. With a nodal opposition (change of direction) it all says the same thing.

'Buy' about April 2014, Pluto and Uranus exactly make their aspects to each other and the NHS Sun. Jupiter is also opposed the Pluto, I am not sure what that means, except perhaps some substantial wealth for some people.

Its without doubt to me that they will sell it off, re structure it and people will suffer (Chiron).



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Well if you can't laugh, what else is there?

Rumour has it, Richard Branson is the forerunner in NHS sell-off bids! "Virgin Care"!

It does strike me as odd, how health care can be privatised. When money comes into being a priorirty in care, it seems almost without a doubt that actual care will be secondary, a second thought - which, in a civilised society, is a devastating thought. Is this really a sign of Pluto in Capricorn? Change in structures so much, but not necessarily for the better (unless I am missing something...)

Notice that Pluto is "square the Nodes" in the NHS inception chart: always suggests a difficult situation!! And Lilith opposing the ascending degree-not suggestive of happy (benefic) outcomes!

Thanks for pointing that out Dr Farr. Ah yes, the eclipses will be activating the NHS Pluto square nodes as well.

I recently read that there are already private companies doing work through the NHS, about 1 in 5 patients are treated by private companies via NHS thanks to the last government's reforms.

It is a bit of a challenged chart, the Venus/Moon/Uranus opp Jupter to Mars t-square. Sun square Neptune, Pluto square nodes. NEptune conjunct Vindemiatrix.

Dear Neptune Rising.

I am sorry to inform you that our beloved NHS has been undergoing an extreme disguised reverse makeover for many decades,Whatever party you support,It does not matter anymore,It appears that the Conservatives,Liberals and Labour party are all involved in dismantling the NHS using stealth.Over the decades one of the main methodologies used to reduce the money spent on the NHS was to reduce the amounts of beds in hospitals across the country,This means effectively that gradually over long periods of time whole wards get shut down eventually,The purpose of this 'Bed Removal' is to cut wards by a quiet shrinking method where the public don't notice,Its only the NHS staff who work there who see the results of this behavior,Many specialized wards close down entirely and then to make it possible to offer this specialized service,All of the hospitals that had this specialization send their few remaining best staff in this specialty to one remaining regional hospital to continue this form of medical treatment.So now i explain what happens,,As an example that i am familiar with,Radiotherapy is moved in north wales to one hospital called Ysbytty Glan Clwydd. Anyone who has cancer in the north of the country of Wales has to travel vast distances everyday to get their radiotherapy because none of the regional hospitals other than this one have radiotherapy treatment anymore.This is because when the NHS has so little money anymore,the only way to keep cancer treatment going is to have only one treatment centre for the whole region,Only 4 radiotherapy mahines up to date,and 2 out of date machines,so six at a push to deal with the whole of north wales.This economy measure also reduces oncology staff needed to operate less machines in one place as well as lots of other savings by not having all inclusive radiotherapy/chemotherapy units in all hospitals.But ultimately the biggest shame of all this back door dismantling of the British peoples beloved National Health Service is that the people dont know that the buildings are relatively empty of staff, wards and equiptments. Meanwhile the govt has cooked its books to appear that we have a health service that supplies all forms of treatment,Its just that you have to travel vast distances to get this treatment,And unless your seriously ill,you are going onto a waiting list that could mean you spend months,even years getting to the front of the queue.
So your comment Quote"I recently read that there are already private companies doing work through the NHS, about 1 in 5 patients are treated by private companies via NHS thanks to the last government's reforms" unquote..
It is true that BOTH governments have introduced reforms to the NHS to introduce Privatisation,I have witnessed this myself during treatment,There are now nurses working on the wards amongst NHS nurses payed by the govt,Who are wearing the same uniform as the NHS nurses,So its hard to tell which ones are which,But for example the Stoma nurses in my local hospital who specialise in colostomy and illiostomy treatment are all funded privately by manufafuturers of products that are for the treatment of these conditions.But it is not true that the last Labour govts reforms are totally responsible for the sad demolition of the NHS as the Right of centre Conservative party were behind privatisation of the NHS donkeys years ago,And were responsible for pushing privatisation reforms for decades on the NHS.What really happened was the Labour party got a new very different type of leader that was a type of puppet that emulated lots of conservative party traits,Which was intended to confuse the electorate into thinking the labour party had become more right of center,This was the new P'm'sTony Blairs major ploy,He had a lot of nontraditional labour party policies that captured many middle of the road conservative voters.Unfortunately,Blair ignored the parties traditional mp's and supporters to achieve this 2 faced attempt at fooling the electorate.And old supporters of traditional labour broke away.This exodus of traditional supporters was not helped when Blair lied to the British lectorate to tell us that Sadam Hussein had WMD's that he could launch at us in the west within 15 minutes and on the basis of Iraq having imaginary weapons he took us to war with Iraq to murder the people and steal their oil for George Bush and his dodgy cronies.But by the time the British electorate had woken up to this awful lie to his people it was too late to do anything about it.But this same Idiot:Tony Blair also told us that he was putting in an unprecedented annual increase into NHS funding.If i remember correctly he promised 5% a year over 5 years,Which is a lot of money and theoretically would also rescue the NHS financially.Blair also during this period came to an agreement with doctors for a massive wage increase for them as well as less hours and no weekend work.Many complained that the doctors got an amazing deal from Blair.
As you said previously,That you could not understand why such a wonderful idea of the NHS is in such a state.I think you are right when you suggest that the corporates as usual dont like things that are freely given away and they want the whole of it for their own dubious business where everyone has to pay for medical treatment.Unfortunately we now have a leadership on both sides now in the UK that wants to tow the corporates line as well.So they have been working behind the scenes for many years to do this without letting the electorate in on their dodgy behind the scenes act.As can be seen by the Blair example over lieing about Iraqs advanced WMD trained on us so we better go there and kill him,lol(sic),Our leaders now lie to us on pretty much anything,And the NHS is not excluded.Only difference,Our sick Governments would rather spend money on killing people rather than saving them.It should be apparent from such behaviour that if you were to tell them you were of the wrong nationality they will have you killed,And if you are of the 'Right'? nationality they will just deprive you of necessities of life like work,food,health etc because you are not a corporate muppet.Its very obvious'OUR Government' is not our goverment any more.And we are lead by some very obnoxious beings who have only corporate interests in mind.

Ptolomey - you are right. labour have been doing this since early 2000. some of that has been a debaucle!

it does need reforming and it has outgrown it original purpose with an former british empire(commonwealth) that is dwindling and . it needs a rethink along with the UK and its place in the world.

gp's have always been small business's.

the speed with which this is now occuring has been stepped up.

ptolomy said:

Dear Neptune Rising.

I am sorry to inform you that our beloved NHS has been undergoing an extreme disguised reverse makeover for many decades,Whatever party you support,It does not matter anymore,It appears that the Conservatives,Liberals and Labour party are all involved in dismantling the NHS using stealth. Over the decades one of the main methodologies used to reduce the money spent on the NHS was to reduce the amounts of beds in hospitals across the country,This means effectively that gradually over long periods of time whole wards get shut down eventually,The purpose of this 'Bed Removal' is to cut wards by a quiet shrinking method where the public don't notice,Its only the NHS staff who work there who see the results of this behavior,Many specialized wards close down entirely and then to make it possible to offer this specialized service,All of the hospitals that had this specialization send their few remaining best staff in this specialty to one remaining regional hospital to continue this form of medical treatment.So now i explain what happens,,As an example that i am familiar with,Radiotherapy is moved in north wales to one hospital called Ysbytty Glan Clwydd. Anyone who has cancer in the north of the country of Wales has to travel vast distances everyday to get their radiotherapy because none of the regional hospitals other than this one have radiotherapy treatment anymore.This is because when the NHS has so little money anymore,the only way to keep cancer treatment going is to have only one treatment centre for the whole region,Only 4 radiotherapy mahines up to date,and 2 out of date machines,so six at a push to deal with the whole of north wales.This economy measure also reduces oncology staff needed to operate less machines in one place as well as lots of other savings by not having all inclusive radiotherapy/chemotherapy units in all hospitals.But ultimately the biggest shame of all this back door dismantling of the British peoples beloved National Health Service is that the people dont know that the buildings are relatively empty of staff, wards and equiptments. Meanwhile the govt has cooked its books to appear that we have a health service that supplies all forms of treatment,Its just that you have to travel vast distances to get this treatment,And unless your seriously ill,you are going onto a waiting list that could mean you spend months,even years getting to the front of the queue.
So your comment Quote"I recently read that there are already private companies doing work through the NHS, about 1 in 5 patients are treated by private companies via NHS thanks to the last government's reforms" unquote..
It is true that BOTH governments have introduced reforms to the NHS to introduce Privatisation,I have witnessed this myself during treatment,There are now nurses working on the wards amongst NHS nurses payed by the govt,Who are wearing the same uniform as the NHS nurses,So its hard to tell which ones are which,But for example the Stoma nurses in my local hospital who specialise in colostomy and illiostomy treatment are all funded privately by manufafuturers of products that are for the treatment of these conditions.But it is not true that the last Labour govts reforms are totally responsible for the sad demolition of the NHS as the Right of centre Conservative party were behind privatisation of the NHS donkeys years ago,And were responsible for pushing privatisation reforms for decades on the NHS.What really happened was the Labour party got a new very different type of leader that was a type of puppet that emulated lots of conservative party traits,Which was intended to confuse the electorate into thinking the labour party had become more right of center,This was the new P'm'sTony Blairs major ploy,He had a lot of nontraditional labour party policies that captured many middle of the road conservative voters.Unfortunately,Blair ignored the parties traditional mp's and supporters to achieve this 2 faced attempt at fooling the electorate.And old supporters of traditional labour broke away.This exodus of traditional supporters was not helped when Blair lied to the British lectorate to tell us that Sadam Hussein had WMD's that he could launch at us in the west within 15 minutes and on the basis of Iraq having imaginary weapons he took us to war with Iraq to murder the people and steal their oil for George Bush and his dodgy cronies.But by the time the British electorate had woken up to this awful lie to his people it was too late to do anything about it.But this same Idiot:Tony Blair also told us that he was putting in an unprecedented annual increase into NHS funding.If i remember correctly he promised 5% a year over 5 years,Which is a lot of money and theoretically would also rescue the NHS financially.Blair also during this period came to an agreement with doctors for a massive wage increase for them as well as less hours and no weekend work.Many complained that the doctors got an amazing deal from Blair.
As you said previously,That you could not understand why such a wonderful idea of the NHS is in such a state.I think you are right when you suggest that the corporates as usual dont like things that are freely given away and they want the whole of it for their own dubious business where everyone has to pay for medical treatment.Unfortunately we now have a leadership on both sides now in the UK that wants to tow the corporates line as well.So they have been working behind the scenes for many years to do this without letting the electorate in on their dodgy behind the scenes act.As can be seen by the Blair example over lieing about Iraqs advanced WMD trained on us so we better go there and kill him,lol(sic),Our leaders now lie to us on pretty much anything,And the NHS is not excluded.Only difference,Our sick Governments would rather spend money on killing people rather than saving them.It should be apparent from such behaviour that if you were to tell them you were of the wrong nationality they will have you killed,And if you are of the 'Right'? nationality they will just deprive you of necessities of life like work,food,health etc because you are not a corporate muppet.Its very obvious'OUR Government' is not our goverment any more.And we are lead by some very obnoxious beings who have only corporate interests in mind.

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CANADIAN RESEARCHERS HAVE DISCOVERED 'DCA' A CURE FOR MOST CANCERS - BUT NO ONE CAN HAVE IT!!

NOT BECAUSE ITS UNSAFE BUT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY FOR THE BIG PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LXH-TJYS5w

Ptolemy, oh absolutely, this government astounds me in their obvious corruption. I can only wonder what will happen to this country in the next decade. I am sure they have some very hidden plan, behind all of this fiasco they are creating. I am curious to follow the heliocentric Uranus squares, which I think makes just one square in November 2013, and how that will be reflected in society.

I did read somewhere what you've been saying, Ptolemy, about this privatisation going on for years. It does make me feel so bad, the way they treat people, these people that need help the most, who cannot afford to go private, they just leave them to suffer. Its wrong in a 'civilized' society.

Thank you Caro,Neptune Rising and Jupiterasc for your supportive remarks,Im sorry a bout my failed attempt at spell checking and non sensical sentence check as well,lol,i didn't do one.Hopefully my sentences make sense,Im not really into any particular politics myself these days,They alll need each other to balance out.Any way i hope i haven't crossed any lines by saying what ive said,I always worry that i might say the wrong thing if i stray into politics.I find it difficult not to be slightly personal if i do speak politics,I would rather that we were somewhere now where we were using other words that included more Spirituality mixed with politics,science,rational thought etc.I personally think Astrology is a very special science that can bridge the spirituality/science gap.

ptolomy said:

It is true that BOTH governments have introduced reforms to the NHS to introduce Privatisation,I have witnessed this myself during treatment,There are now nurses working on the wards amongst NHS nurses payed by the govt,Who are wearing the same uniform as the NHS nurses,So its hard to tell which ones are which,But for example the Stoma nurses in my local hospital who specialise in colostomy and illiostomy treatment are all funded privately by manufafuturers of products that are for the treatment of these conditions.But it is not true that the last Labour govts reforms are totally responsible for the sad demolition of the NHS as the Right of centre Conservative party were behind privatisation of the NHS donkeys years ago,And were responsible for pushing privatisation reforms for decades on the NHS.What really happened was the Labour party got a new very different type of leader that was a type of puppet that emulated lots of conservative party traits,Which was intended to confuse the electorate into thinking the labour party had become more right of center,This was the new P'm'sTony Blairs major ploy,He had a lot of nontraditional labour party policies that captured many middle of the road conservative voters.Unfortunately,Blair ignored the parties traditional mp's and supporters to achieve this 2 faced attempt at fooling the electorate.And old supporters of traditional labour broke away.This exodus of traditional supporters was not helped when Blair lied to the British lectorate to tell us that Sadam Hussein had WMD's that he could launch at us in the west within 15 minutes and on the basis of Iraq having imaginary weapons he took us to war with Iraq to murder the people and steal their oil for George Bush and his dodgy cronies.But by the time the British electorate had woken up to this awful lie to his people it was too late to do anything about it.But this same Idiot:Tony Blair also told us that he was putting in an unprecedented annual increase into NHS funding.If i remember correctly he promised 5% a year over 5 years,Which is a lot of money and theoretically would also rescue the NHS financially.Blair also during this period came to an agreement with doctors for a massive wage increase for them as well as less hours and no weekend work.Many complained that the doctors got an amazing deal from Blair.
As you said previously,That you could not understand why such a wonderful idea of the NHS is in such a state.I think you are right when you suggest that the corporates as usual dont like things that are freely given away and they want the whole of it for their own dubious business where everyone has to pay for medical treatment.Unfortunately we now have a leadership on both sides now in the UK that wants to tow the corporates line as well.So they have been working behind the scenes for many years to do this without letting the electorate in on their dodgy behind the scenes act.As can be seen by the Blair example over lieing about Iraqs advanced WMD trained on us so we better go there and kill him,lol(sic),Our leaders now lie to us on pretty much anything,And the NHS is not excluded.Only difference,Our sick Governments would rather spend money on killing people rather than saving them.It should be apparent from such behaviour that if you were to tell them you were of the wrong nationality they will have you killed,And if you are of the 'Right'? nationality they will just deprive you of necessities of life like work,food,health etc because you are not a corporate muppet.Its very obvious'OUR Government' is not our goverment any more.And we are lead by some very obnoxious beings who have only corporate interests in mind.

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I think this Wikipedia report on the NHS says a lot about the 'Nature' of the NHS:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service_(England)
I also think that in particular the Sun Square Neptune that 'Neptune Rising' points out as significant in The UK NHS Creation chart is definitely noticeable in the way that all political manouvres by the political parties have a lot of this Sun Square Neptune deceptive quality about them,So much behind the scenes planning and then strange double speech where odd terms are used to hide the truth about whats really happening. For years the various parties as i previously said used the odd terminology of referring to losing 'bed's?I think Neptune allows us to hide the truth in as nice a way as possible,But wont forgo allowing the conscience of the liar to speak to them on the subject.But i do think the public have definitely been deceived over many years about the state of the NHS and this is very fitting and probably inevitable that there is a certain naivety about the NHS.
An interesting detail in the British chart for 1:1:1801 is that there is a wide Novile between the Sun and Neptune which is a very fitting 'spiritual' aspect for a country that has an NHS.

Pt in true politician style : 'I object' . I object to the inference of deception.As a natal sun sq neptune.

The sun square neptune may relate to lack of boundaries. Also it is at the mercy of projection and not being allowed to let it's sun shine fully.

As such the NHS has grown way beyond its original intention. It was set up following the great human sacrifice of the 2nd world war.

as someone who works in the NHS a meeting with (incompetent ) managers where they wanted to do the work of the fire service in relation to a service provision for a certain 'drug'. The fire service does that work. This debate raged for many many months!!! with subsequent costs. just one area of many where it has lost its way.

There is great innovative work by clinicians and support staff - however what I found is that this is rarely reported with one nurse saying to me' you dont want to stand out - cos if you do - someone will try and take you out! ie get you sacked because of jealousy. So although it does all this caring - it cant let this be seen.

with a sun in cancer - a very emotional debate always ensue's when discussing this subject. I accept that this debate then gets confusing with people loosing their argument (neptune) and not really wanting to **** something percieved to be so good.

I do think it needs to change and become more streamlined and focus on healthcare. In some cases the provision of services by private companies is the correct way to go - however I think care giving should remain under the public control. But there again you see the abuses in south staffs.....with many people dying through lack of care. That is appalling.

I hope you are keeping well. It can be very worrying when you are in the system and seeing so much change. so I hope you are getting support with this too.

I thought you might be interested in a NHS whistle blowers report on the dangerous state of the NHS in the UK:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ms-Mid-Staffordshire-hospital-FOUR-YEARS.html
And another excerpt from a similar report which suggests that potential whisleblowers are offered vast amounts of money to keep their mouths shut on the deterioration of the NHS,Some are allegedly offered upto £500,000 to keep their mouths shut:Mr Walker told the programme he accepted a so-called ‘supergag’ as part of a settlement package of an unfair dismissal claim - reported to be at least £500,000 - to protect his family.
Last week's damning Francis report into the Mid Staffs scandal recommended a ban on gagging orders imposed on NHS whistleblowers and Mr Walker's case has been raised in the Commons


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dshire-hospital-FOUR-YEARS.html#ixzz2OSzKq4dk
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I dont know anything about the previously mentioned 'Francis report' other than it recommends that gagging orders should be banned so that whistle blowers in the NHS can speak up freely in future.

Any way,I hope with a bit of extra data to work with we can get back to the Astrology of the NHS rather than our personal feelings, and track how it has changed from its original remit to what it has now deteriorated to now.

Adding 'The Francis report' Guardian newspaper report:http://www.guardian.co.uk/healthcare-network/2013/feb/14/francis-report-nhs-leadership

So getting back to the original questions,And the first one that Neptune rising mentions about the UK NHS chart,It has a Sun Square Neptune.Quote: The NHS Sun is 13 degree Cancer, makes me think of the care they have provided. Its got an interesting square to Neptune though, again this seems to highlight the good intentions in starting this organisation, maybe idealistic and with a need to help, sacrifice and ease suffering.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20088654
I associate this square to have a deceitful angle to it because we generally from an ego view do not want to admit defeat,But when Neptune is involved it will over rule the ego and if possible challenges the conscience.If the person has any conscience development then Neptune will not allow the person to feel comfortable with any further elaborations on what went wrong.I think Neptune risings use of the word 'Idealistic' is also in the same vein,But less to do with fooling others and more to do with fooling oneself usually from naivety.
Secondly you mention whether the time of the chart for the conception of the NHS is correct.Its possible that as it is a statute type of law that is coming into effect that it means the correct time is 00:00 GMT right at the beginning of the new day,Like so many of our official dictates.If so,Fortunately this makes a lot of beginnings in the UK timings very easy to calculate,But on the negative side,as i've said many times before.It also means that the UK has a very susceptible underbelly which has an enormous number of areas where it can be damaged all at the same time.And is why our whole country is disintegrating before our very eyes right now as Pluto transits 10 degrees Capricorn right now and finds an enormous list of defunct,out moded,burnt out and finished institutions etc all at the same time.And the ultimate cap of icing recently is the degrading downgrading of the UK economy from triple AAA to the lower level and also the ultimate downgrade,Three depression dips below the line in succession. Thats a recent record.So expect many other institutions other than the NHS to cop it in the next couple of years till Pluto moves on.
So yes,I agree with Neptune risings opinions on this as well Quoteluto is coming... never the nicest of words, but its coming to opposite the Sun, Uranus to square the Sun and oppose the Neptune. Seems to be a sure sign of a shake up, sell off. :Unquote
So this is on top of what i just said,But only adds to it as the NHS in particular being singled out by Pluto.Unfortunately,our NHS has been singled out as a political tool to play on the electorate for the past 2 decades and more,They don't ever leave it alone,But at the same time many politicians have seen the NHS over the years as a 'Holy Cow' that you touch at your own peril,As the electorate are?Were? very protective over it as it was considered an admirable thing for a country to have.My own opinion is it was only possible for us to have had the NHS in the first place because we abused other countries financially to pay for it.Now we dont have the wealth we used to have we cannot afford it any more.But consequently,Now Pluto will knock it over with its little finger as with the Transiting Pluto and Uranus opposing and squaring the original configuration in the NHS chart it doesn't stand a chance.

Sorry, I've been revising for an upcoming exam so haven't been to this thread, but following it. Interesting conversations, thanks all very much!

Interesting what you say about the astrology, Ptolemy. Yes, 'Pluto coming' is never a nice phrase to say! I think I have had some naivety and idealism about the NHS, but I imagine that Pluto opposite its Sun will bring to the surface anything hidden through ego and the need to keep up appearances - it's Sun just stops shining. Maybe its happening now through the various media sources such as the whistle blower articles. I never know what to believe with the press, but I see that they may have some truth in them.

So the sell off has been happening for some time, but how will Pluto change things at this time, I wonder. The 12am time sounds right too, maybe making it Gemini or Taurus Ascendant.

ptolomy said:

...And the ultimate cap of icing recently is the degrading downgrading of the UK economy from triple AAA to the lower level and also the ultimate downgrade,Three depression dips below the line in succession. Thats a recent record.So expect many other institutions other than the NHS to cop it in the next couple of years....

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There IS an alternative for UK politicians to consider i.e. Iceland's solution!!

Dear Jupiterasc

I agree with your political philosophy where the people come before banks,But i'm a cynic when it comes to mundane astrology and the politicians doing the positive right thing for the people.I doubt that politicians will ever be up to fulfilling what the people need as these politicians are very far removed from spiritual/Astrological knowledge,Let alone acting on it.I believe it will be a very long time if ever in this age of man that politicians accept astrology and put science where it should be as well as corporate's and their place in the scheme of things.I can only see an enormous war beforehand before we get any type of revolution that leads to these changes.I only hope in my naive way that it could come about without war of some sort.I only hope that the corporate's have a weak point that makes them very vulnerable to the people taking over power.At the moment i have noticed a particular change in progress that makes war for corporate's much easier to do without the people consent,Namely the advent of drones which makes war something that doesnt involve soldiers and therefore we lose our traditional viewers position of a soldier keeping us updated on what is happening.As is apparent with the USA sending drones into Pakistan,They dont need our consent now to start wars and we dont know whats going on,But tese people are still spending the peoples money to do this
Dear Neptune Rising,When i was talking about "naivety" and "deceit" etc i was referring to the Affect of Neptune on lesser planets especially its affect on the Sun.But im terrible at doing checks on what ive written,So please excuse me if ive written and not checked what ive said before ive sent it.
I guess from what you have said up to now that you work in the NHS?.I don't suppose you are willing to divulge any other information that doesn't jepordise patient confidentiality or your privacy?Thats assuming im correct about you being in the NHS?,lol im probably wrong again.
Sorry, as ive written below,Im very ill at the moment and cant think straight.Even simple thoughts are difficult as pain makes logic difficult.In some places impossible i hopefully will get better.If i dont you will notice a lack of chat from me,meaning ive left for sunnier climes.A place where i stand on the clouds rather than get rained on by them

Yes,Neptune rising,Ive re read what you said.Sorry my mistake,Cant think straight.I apologize friend

Dear Jupiterasc,

My biggest hope with all these transits of Pluto and Uranus conjuncting and squaring 10 degrees Capricorn is that somehow their transit to many Western Suns will be a major move in transferring power from the Corporates to the people,But so much needs to be done and the chance of violence so high that i dread to think what will happen to make this transfer of power happen.
It is something that i would expect to take many decades to do,But in my opinion we dont have the time as the world is in such an awful mess due to their greedy behaviour.The corporates are insatiable and can do so much damage in so little time.The removal of the NHS is an obvious target for these greedy people to demolish as it goes against their philosophy of paying for everything to sustain their stupid pyramid of stupendous power
I hope that i am wrong and somehow in the future everyone has access to an NHS wherever they are in the world.Does anyone know what the health situation is in communist countries like China?.I thought i heard years ago that Chile had a very good equivalent of a national health system,Has anyone else heard this?