The age of Aquarius

dr. farr

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Of the many various ayanamsa's, the little known Alcyone/Pleiades ayanamsa (based on the Vernal equinox in constellational Taurus, historically the start point for the Lunar Mansions in ancient India, China and "Arabia") seems the most likely one, to me (it is followed by a very small number of adepts in Kerala, south India) This starts the Piscean Age @ 144 BC, and would suggest the beginning of the Aquarian Age in 2001 (2145 years X 50.35 seconds of arc per year divided by 3600-seconds in a degree = 30 degrees; if Vernal point entered the last minute of Pisces in 144 BC, this would put the Vernal point into the last minute of Aquarius in the year 2001) I will note that this is close to the Mathers year for the start of the Piscean Age (90 BC) and even closer to the Hipparchus hypothesis (estimated by Gould et al), @ 120 BC.

(Mathers astrological beliefs can be found in Golden Dawn literature, especially so the "Flying Rolls", many of which, however, are not easily obtainable; Ithell Colquhoun's 1975 biography of Mathers, entitled "The Sword of Wisdom,", contains an appendix in which some of Mathers astrological considerations are outlined. The Gould hypothesis can be found in several of the late 19th century translations of ancient texts by Gould)

(Special Note: with no intent of stirring up any controversy, I will mention-in relation to statements about Jesus birth ushering in the advent of the Piscean Age-in connection with the hypothetical Piscean Age beginnings suggested by the Alcyone/Pleiades date, 144 BC, the Gould
Hipparchus date, 120 BC, and the Mathers date, 90 BC-there is an interesting book, from 1903, written by G.R.S. Meade, entitled "Did Jesus Live 100 BC?", which is available from various sources, and is reprinted on the Internet; I do not claim any personal acceptance of the hypothesis in this book, but I have found the material interesting and suggestive, particularly in light of the largely unknown hypothetical ayanamsas referring to early dates for the beginning of the Piscean Age, such as the Mathers, Hipparchus/Gould and Alcyone/Pleiades dates...)
 
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AquarianEssence

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Thanks, Dr. Farr. Here is the book you mentioned: http://gnosis.org/library/grs-mead/jesus_live_100/index.htm If I were to pick a star, it would be that one because it is both the 1st and the central one. 7 (sisters of the Pleiades) has long been a symbol of perfection and completion. Of course, the word is used to name the King's fisher bird. Did you know the beautiful color is mostly from the structure of their feathers? The (Tyndall effect) short light waves are scattered instead of absorbed. Perhaps this is a clue that you are right? The long, slow wave lengths are absorbed and not seen or reflected. That is the same reason we see blue instead of brown in some people's iris. If you shine light on opalescent glass, it looks blue but orangish light shines through it. They are opposites on the color wheel. The IE root of the name Pleiades, pel, is connected to the color of doves and fog but also things that cover or hide, including the skin (pelt).

What I'm trying to figure out is how to create charts with this ayanamsa. I don't see that choice in Kepler's list but there is an option for user defined. Any idea what the input would be? I've attached the Aquaius chart you're suggesting and it seems to make sense because Alcyone has just entered Gemini in the tropical equinox chart. But the Pisces chart doesn't work so well because Alcyone has already reached 0Tau11'55". What do you think?
 

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dr. farr

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For the Pisces chart, it might be a question of the actual borders of that constellation; or the Piscean Age reference date could be off (by 14 years 2 months)

Using the 144 BC date for the Alcyone ayanamsa, to calculate the degrees to be subtracted from the tropical chart (ie the ayanamsa correction), add 144 to whatever date (after 144 BC) is desired, then multiply by 50.35 and divide by 3600: this = the degrees to be subtracted from whatever current tropical positions are shown in the tropical chart for the selected date.
Example:
What is the Alcyone ayanamsa for 2013?
2013 + 144 = 2157
2157 X 50.35 = 108,604.95
108,604.95 divided by 3600 = 30.17
30.17 = 30 degrees 10 minutes
Answer: the Alcyone ayanamsa for 2013 = 30 degrees 10 minutes

So, say in a tropical chart for a certain date and time in 2013, we find 28 degrees 15 minutes Scorpio rising (tropical): corrected to the Alcyone ayanamsa this would mean that 28 degrees 05 minutes Libra was rising (sidereal)

Might be interesting to experiment with this ayanamsa!

(Note: I use the tropical zodiac for all of my calculations, EXCEPT when applying certain esoteric techniques, or when investigating subjects like this one-ie, Ages/Mundane Periods-or when determining sidereal Lunar Mansions)
 
I was reading William Ramesey's Astrology Restored last night, he said '... a degree of an age is slightly less than 72 years..' If the age length is 2160, then 71 2/3 years is one degree.

Vivian E. Robson wrote his book, Electional Astrology based upon what he found in Ramesey's book.

I'm making an appointment with the University's astronomy department, as they ought to have an insight that so many astrologers in the past several hundred years seemed to have missed!:ninja:
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AquarianEssence

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Thank you, Mr. Farr, but I must be doing something wrong. In Kepler, the software I have that allows me to set a user defined ayanamsa, I have to enter a complete day, with no time and the degree offset. So, I used the vernal equinox this year, March 20, 2013, with the offset 30°10'. When I set the Pisces chart I shared above, to use this for the sidereal zodiac it puts the Sun at 4Pisces45'50" instead of 29Pisces. So, I thought, lets try March 21, -143 with a 1 second offset. that gave me 29Pisces59'59" for the beginning of the Piscean age, March 21, 144 BC but Alcyone is showing 0Taurus13. Using this offset for the Aquarius date in 2001, sidereal alcyone is 0Gemini01 but Sun is showing 0Pisces11. Maybe what Clinton is saying is true, that the age is slightly different in duration.
 

dr. farr

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It could be so; notice though how close the figures come (eg variations of 10 minutes of arc, or 11 minutes, or 13 minutes: pretty close!)

I think a variable factor is the precession rate: to my understanding, this rate (astronomically) = 50.35 seconds of arc per year; however, other figures include 50.23 and 50.24 seconds of arc per year: this could make a difference (involving minutes)when making a final calculation.

The generic advancement of stars is given as 1 degree every 72 years: hence the precessional figure of 2160 years = 1 "30 degree" zodiacal Age. However, there is variation here from the generic 1 degree/72 year average usually given:

-For example, using the astronomical data of 50.35 seconds per year, 1 degree is traversed every 71 years, 6 months: that would make a 30 degree zodiacal Age have a length of 2145 years (rather than the generic 2160 years)-a 15 year difference.
-if using the rate of 50.23 seconds per year, the length of the 30 degree zodiacal Age would be 2, 150 years (and 1 month), which is about 10 year different than the 2160 generic figure.

In addition to the variable precession rate figures (50.35 seconds, 50.23 seconds, 50.24 seconds) the actual BOUNDARIES of the zodiacal constellations (what they REALLY are in reality) is a major factor in attempting to estimate the Ages, and unfortunately there are various (albeit slight) differences in these boundaries, according to various authorities (both ancient and modern) So that would make a difference in determining exactly WHEN the Vernal point entered the ACTUAL boundaries of a zodiacal constellation.

All in all, though, despite these difficulties, I tend to believe that we are closest to the actual sidereal situation when using the Alcyone point (144 BC) or close to it (143 BC), or perhaps a related point/date (Mathers, 90/94 BC, Hipparchus, 120 BC), in preference to the much later dates usually given (by the predominant ayanamsa now used) such as Lahiri, KP, Raman, Fagan-Bradley, etc...
 

AquarianEssence

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I spent some time looking for exact amounts and most sites, even nasa, uses approximates. But this might be helpful.
The Sun’s path currently curves at about 50.24 arc seconds per year (one degree every 71.657 years) around its apparent binary center of mass, and the Sun is now accelerating, at the approximate rate of 0.000349 (arc seconds per year) per year. The old lunisolar model fails to explain this acceleration. The binary theory explains the acceleration as movement from apoapsis (at farthest orbit) to periapsis (at closest orbit). At the closest orbit, the precession accelerations zero and as the companion stars pass periapsis, precession will begin to decrease.
http://endgametime.wordpress.com/understanding-precession-of-the-equinox/

Currently it would be exactly 50.239334607923859497327546506273. This knowledge would help us know where it is now, but not far back, unless we know the rate, as it fluctuated all through the period. Otherwise, we can't get an exact date, can we?
 

dr. farr

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Right, I don't believe we can get exact, but we can come close, and with the subject of Ages/Mundane Periods, really that's all we need!
 

AquarianEssence

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The benefit to getting exact is that we can gain insight into the needs of the age. I think the accurate chart would show the failings, the prior time around, that we were or will be faced with. Thank you all for the continued dialogue.
 

dr. farr

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Well, as I mentioned in an earlier post, Zain (founder of the astrological Brotherhood of Light) gave 1889 as the beginning of the Age.
My personal opinion (as of the present) is that oncoming Ages shadow forth their influences many (perhaps even a hundred or more) years before the actual "switch" occurs-then, too, there is the issue of mixed ages due to the overlap of the "borders" of the constellations involved: one of the largest such overlaps is between the beginning of Pisces and the end of Aquarius: converted into time, this overlap amounts to several hundred years-perhaps we are-and have been-in this overlap for some length of time?
 

ian wood

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in the pisces age, when the sun is aligned with pisces constellation at spring equinox,the sun will be aligned with Gemini constellation at summer solstice.
as the spring equinox would represent the ascendant for the age(pisces) summer solstice position(Gemini)would represent the m.c and hence objective manifestation of an age...
is my explanation of why so much development in communication and technology during this period.
mutual reception of Uranus and Neptune, is why it seems like we are on the cusp of aquarius/pisces ,as the energies of Uranus/ Neptune are connected during this 7 year mutual reception period
....just some thoughts...
 

AquarianEssence

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The border overlap would explain the difficulty in aligning the evidence of a new age with the timing of the cusp change. Anti-slavery and labor laws are surely a sign of the end of Pisces and the freedom of Aquarius but we still have slavery in disguise. Our new master hides behind corporate doors, the work place being little more than a labor camp quite often. A large portion of the work force is temporary labor with low pay, little to no benefits, below poverty level with a 40+hour work week. Kirby salesmen are payed nothing unless they sell something, forced to hard sell on a cold calll, the group treated like prostitutes driven around in a van by their pimp. Wages are cut to compete with the Walmarts of the world. Jobs are given to those who can or will work for little pay. During my lifetime we've seen the end of the days when one average parent can support the family. At least slaves were usually provided food and shelter. Ex offenders don't have the right to work and many re-offend when family can't support them. We still have some Virgo work to do before we can grasp the cup the water bearer offers.
 

JUPITERASC

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The border overlap would explain the difficulty in aligning the evidence of a new age with the timing of the cusp change.
Exactly :smile:

'…..Roughly every 2,150 years the sun's position at the the vernal equinox will have moved into a new zodiacal constellation.



BUT

zodiacal constellations are not uniform in size,
leading some astrologers to believe that the corresponding ages should also vary in duration.
This however is a contentious issue amongst astrologers.


In 1929 the International Astronomical Union defined the edges of the 88 official constellations.

The edge established between Pisces and Aquarius technically locates the beginning of the Aquarian Age around 2600 AD.

Many astrologers dispute this approach
because of the varying sizes of the zodiacal constellations
and overlap between the zodiacal constellations
.....'


'…..The approximate 2,150 years for each age
corresponds to average time taken for the vernal equinox to move from one constellation into the next.
This can be computed by dividing earth's 25,800 year gyroscopic precession period by twelve
the number of Zodiac constellations used by astrologers.
Astrologers disagree on when Aquarian age will start
and even if it has already started.
According to different astrologers' calculations, approximated dates for entering Age of Aquarius range from 1447 AD (Terry MacKinnell) to 3597 (John Addey).

Nicholas Campion in The Book of World Horoscopes
lists various references from mainly astrological sources for the start of the Age of Aquarius.....'


'….Based on research by Nicholas Campion
most published material states Age of Aquarius arrived in 20th century (29 claims)
with 24th century in second place with twelve claimants
.

Astrological ages exist because of precession of the equinoxes.
Slow wobble of earth's spin axis on the celestial sphere
is independent of diurnal rotation of Earth on own axis and annual revolution of the earth around the sun.
25,800-year-long cycle is traditionally calibrated for determining astrological ages
by the location of sun in one of twelve zodiac constellations at vernal equinox
which is moment sun rises above celestial equator
marking annual start of spring in Northern hemisphere....'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius

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Jesse Booth

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Why does everyone say Aquarius rules Technology? I can't seem to understand it. I mean, Technology wasn't invented until the Light Bulb came to be, which wasn't too many centuries ago, and to top it off, how can Aquarius rule Electricity?

Sometimes I wonder if people just connected Aquarius to Technology because of the "Age of Aquarius" thing, which seems just a coincidence. Even to some, who believe that the Age of Pisces is still continuing for another few hundred years, what then? Does Pisces rule Technology? Since Technology was discovered in the Age of Pisces, not Aquarius.

Technology is defined as any invention that makes life or a specific activity easier. That includes everything from the polio vaccine to the wheel. People didn't discover technology any more than Da Vinci discovered the Mona Lisa. And if you look throughout history, the vast majority of inventors were heavily influenced by Aquarius. Also, when a sign is said to rule something, that just means that astrologers have noticed a powerful and undeniable connection between a sign and whatever it is said to rule. Aquarians generally have a very high aptitude for working with electronics and technology, considerably more than the other signs. Therefore, Aquarius rules over electricity.

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Jesse Booth

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The border overlap would explain the difficulty in aligning the evidence of a new age with the timing of the cusp change. Anti-slavery and labor laws are surely a sign of the end of Pisces and the freedom of Aquarius but we still have slavery in disguise. Our new master hides behind corporate doors, the work place being little more than a labor camp quite often. A large portion of the work force is temporary labor with low pay, little to no benefits, below poverty level with a 40+hour work week. Kirby salesmen are payed nothing unless they sell something, forced to hard sell on a cold calll, the group treated like prostitutes driven around in a van by their pimp. Wages are cut to compete with the Walmarts of the world. Jobs are given to those who can or will work for little pay. During my lifetime we've seen the end of the days when one average parent can support the family. At least slaves were usually provided food and shelter. Ex offenders don't have the right to work and many re-offend when family can't support them. We still have some Virgo work to do before we can grasp the cup the water bearer offers.

Businessmen run their businesses for their benefit, not the workers. The job goes to whoever can do the best job cheapest. And if you show initiative, talent, and skill, you rise up the ladder and earn more money and benefits, according to what you give back to your customers and to your company. As a fellow aquarius, I can understand the disdain for corporate greed, but the alternative is socialism. Tried many times, never successful. "During my lifetime we've seen the end of the days when one average parent can support the family." Does this change not corellate to the increase in socialist systems within our government? The burden of taxes don't affect massive corporations, who can slip through loopholes in laws. The people suffering the most are the middle and lower class, especially just in the last few years. Small business owners must lay off workers and cut hours just to continue supporting their families. All the corporations started out as small businesses too, but back then they didn't have an ocean of taxes, restrictions, and red tape to hold them back. Businesses are not our masters in any way. Without the consumers to buy their products, they would shrivel and waste away to nothing. And slaves were not free to leave their jobs any time they wished to. Did you know that the dollar sign is an adaptation of the US's initials? We are the first nation in the world to use our monogram for currency, to base our society on free trade of the labors of our mind. This was and still is a land of opportunity, which is why so many people have flocked here from around the world. We were founded by astrologer, freemasons, and philosophers, as a nation ruled by justice and reason, not by brute force or birthright. America's birth chart was specifically chosen by the founding fathers to give us the chance to live to our fullest potential. Our Sun, along with four other planets, is in cancer. This gives us the foundation of our legal system, and also our patriotic spirit. Our aquarius moon in the ninth house of religion was chosen so that in the coming age, we would grow, not into tolerance, but into love and respect for other religions and ways of life, and that we may lead the world into a new age of enlightenment and brotherhood. And on the backside of our seal, you find the two latin slogans, Annuit Coeptis(the divine hath smiled upon our understanding), and Novus Ordo Seclorum(the new order of the ages). The founding fathers decided that our newly formed country could not yet handle the strain of the civil war that would have inevitably resulted from ending slavery, but trusted that later generations would see this through. And our gemini ascendent gives us our adaptability to change. However, we must all do our part to protect America's greatness, for freedom is never free.
 

rahu

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this is a fine point but technology is the application of a Technique. it does not mean Science solely.
a technique is a deductive application of a sequence of actions to reach a desired result.
technology is applied to the modern world, but technology also refers to the method that man used to chip rocks for points.
the alchemist used a technology to experiment. and even the "magician" used a technique to cast their spells.
and the oracles used a technique to derive their prophecies. they were techinicians of the sacred.

rahu
 
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