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decide WHICH of candidate planets
is most fit to conduct its business


An important consideration in Hellenistic Astrology
is whether a planet is “...able to conduct its business....”

for example:

Conditions relative to the zodiac:
If a planet is in one of its own places
– i.e. domicile, exaltation, bound/term
– then that planet is able to conduct its business.


Note: If a planet is in a place of a sect mate
i.e. if the planet's dispositor is another planet of the same sect
and/or “....political party...”
then
that planet has some fitness and/or ability to conduct its business
- BUT it has to use the resources of its planetary sect mate.


For example, the diurnal sect planets are Sun, Jupiter and Saturn, and so
if Jupiter is in the domicile/exaltation/bounds of Sun or Saturn
Jupiter is able to conduct business
BUT Jupiter has to rely on Sun or Saturn for support.


According to Robert Schmidt http://www.projecthindsight.com/

a planet in its own place
i.e. in domicile, rulership, exaltation, bounds/terms
is situated
as if “....travelling in a shaded chariot....”
- thus even if that planet is combust
the planet can be effective and is able to conduct its business
Schmidt advises that, in today's terms

“...travelling in a shaded chariot...” is comparable to travelling in a limo
with the blinds drawn over windows of dark shaded glass.

So far as Hellenistic astrology is concerned
the ability of a planet to conduct its business is assessed in specific ways:
one of those assessments states that a planet can conduct business
when in the place of a sect mate:
Schmidt says HELLENISTIC SECT is a condition relevant to the sun
Conditions relative to Sun are:
When a planet is in sect, it is favorable to the native.
When a planet is out of sect, it is unfavorable to the native.
the Diurnal planets - Sun, Jupiter and Saturn
- are favorable in diurnal charts
and unfavorable in nocturnal charts.
The Nocturnal planets
- Moon, Venus and Mars
- are favorable in nocturnal charts
and
unfavorable in diurnal charts.

Schmidt says that the Hellenistic definition of sect
DIFFERS FROM the medieval definition of sect
because
Hellenistically sect is simply determined from the chart itself
i.e.
for diurnal charts, Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are in sect
and
Venus, Moon and Mars are contrary to sect.
For nocturnal charts
Venus, Moon and Mars are in sect
and
Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are contrary to sect.

The other definitions of sect found in Medieval Astrology are the rejoicing conditions.


Good
The Benefic of the sect is good
- i.e. Jupiter in diurnal chart
and
Venus in nocturnal chart
and
the destructiveness of the Malefic of the sect
can be used for the benefit of native
rather than against the native
- i.e against others = good for the native but not good for others

A Malefic contrary to sect is bad
i.e. Saturn in a nocturnal chart
and
Mars in diurnal chart
A Benefic contrary to sect aka NOT BELONGING TO THE "...political party in power..."
cannot pursue its own agenda.
Schmidt uses the analogy of its best function being that of "...the loyal opposition..."


There are other conditions
governing whether the business conducted by the planets
is favorable or unfavorable, these are

a) Conditions relative to the horizon:

If a planet in a whole sign house is configured to the ascendant/aspects the ascendant by whole sign
- then the planet is said to manifest its favorable significations to the native.
i.e.
if a planet is in house 1/3/4/5/7/9/10/11
then that planet can manifest its favorable significations to the native

If a planet is in a whole sign house in aversion to the ascendant
- i.e.
houses 2/6/8/12
- then the planet is said
to manifest its unfavorable significations to the native.

Example of how various combinations could work out when applied to a natal chart:
A planet in 8th house is fit to conduct its business
but that business is unfavorable to the native
as the 8th house is the Idle House in Hellenistic astrology.

A planet in the 7th house is fit and favorable
but is more favorable to others rather than to the native
because the 7th house is in opposition to the first house.




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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

by the way

for beginners who do not know
HOUSE = DOMICILE
i.e.
House is aka Domicile






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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
aka the IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER

In ancient astrology the method
for determining the ruler of the chart was much more complex.

There are references to the MASTER OF THE NATIVITY in many
surviving astrological texts from Hellenistic astrology tradition,
but not many surviving discussions about how to calculate it.

The approach in this lecture is derived from chapter 30
of Porphyry's Introduction to the Tetrabiblos
which is itself derived from
a lost work of definitions by Antiochus of Athens.

How to calculate the predominator (epikratētōr)
the master of the nativity (oikodespotēs geneseōs)
the co-master or joint master of the nativity (sunoikodespotēs)
and the lord of the nativity (kurios).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo8gXjDEQmM&t=3470s



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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
SECT MATES ARE

OF THE DIURNAL SECT


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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...08#post1012608

Quote:
Apotelesmatika

1. Powers

SATURN is cooling and moderately drying



2. Qualities

SATURN and Mars are maleficent




17. Depressions

Aries is heating depression of SATURN
CAPRICORN is southern depression of Jupiter


27. Qualities

Saturn predominating indicates destruction by cold, with long illnesses, consumptions, withering, disturbances caused by fluids, rheumatisms, quartan fevers, falling, exile, poverty, imprisonment, mourning, fears, and deaths, especially among those advanced in age, scarcity and destruction of useful animals by disease, fearful cold, freezing, misty and pestilential corruption of air, clouds, gloom, multitude of destructive snowstorms, abundance of harmful reptiles, storms, the wreck of fleets, disastrous voyages, scarcity and death of fish, high and ebb tides of the seas, the excessive floods of rivers and pollution of their waters, want, scarcity and loss of crops, especially of those grown for necessary uses, through worms or locusts or floods or cloud-burst or hail, and the like

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Ancient working Astrologer VETTIUS VALENS
chronicled traits of the sign of Aquarius in his currenly two thousand year old ANTHOLOGY
at
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf



On The Nature of the Twelve Zodiacal Signs

'......Aquarius is the celestial sign
which is masculine, solid, anthropomorphic, somewhat damp, single.
It is mute, quite cold, free, upward-trending, feminizing, unchanging, base, with few offspring,
the cause of troubles arising from athletic training, carrying burdens, or work in hard materials, an artisan, public.
Men born under this sign are malicious, haters of their own families,
incorrigible, self-willed
deceitful, tricky, concealing everything
misanthropic, godless,
accusers, betrayers of reputations and the truth,
envious, petty
occasionally generous (because of <this signís> flow of water), uncontrollable....'


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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/

SATURN wishes good to no one
And he signifies old men and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs and sorrow
and the complication of the mind.

Quote:

SATURN in physical description
is described as '...cold and dry....'

This points to little flesh on the bones, small eyes
no alluring softness in curves and dimples
the hair is not soft, shiny and bouncy
but sparse and tends towards being lacklustre, pale or dull.

The body is generally thin and angular
with prominent bone structure
but sometimes it may incline towards excess fat, due to a weak, lethargic constitution.
The countenance is downward looking
and there is often an awkward gait, a slow, hesitant movement
with little trace of a spring in the step
www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html


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"It's a good thing" for any planet that is of the sect in favor


If a planet is not of the sect in favor
then
it is the wrong time of day for the planet.


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

is not of the sect in favor in NIGHT charts








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JUPITERASC,
Looking between the two planets -

Mercury is dignified by being second trigon lord - not the best but dignity nonetheless
Mercury makes aspects to nearly all the sect mates - overcomes saturn in a square, trines Jupiter
Jupiter is dignified by face - and also by being the third trigon lord of gemini
It has interaction with the sect mates (and also some out of sect mates)
so perhaps I would judge as Mercury being the overall winner in this case.
What is your opinion?

MERCURY the SHAPESHIFTER

belongs to the diurnal sect when rising as a MORNING STAR
and
belongs to the nocturnal sect when setting as an EVENING STAR
and so
discern whether natal mercury is a Morning or an Evening star


MERCURY ADAPTING SHAPESHIFTING ABILITIES



Mercury as a MORNING STAR is of the diurnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as a morning star is the Sunís co-sectarian
along with Saturn and Jupiter.
Mercury as an EVENING STAR is of the nocturnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as an evening star is the Moonís co-sectarian
along with Venus and Mars
and so
If the chart is a DAY CHART
THEN
the diurnal sect is in favour
and the Sun is the sect leader
and Jupiter and Saturn are the planets of the sect in favour:
and IF Mercury is a MORNING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour.

If the chart is a NIGHT CHART
then the nocturnal sect is in favour
and the Moon is the sect leader
and Venus and Mars are of the sect in favour:
and if Mercury is an EVENING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour



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by the way
Hellenistic astrologers did not delineate the planets in the signs

Robert Schmidt says the reason for this
is because the signs affect all of the planets in the same manner.


In other words, fixed signs prolong an issue
mutable signs break an issue off after a time, etc.
Therefore it is not very useful
to delineate planets strictly by their sign placement.
What Hellenistic astrologers did instead
is interpret the PLANETS according to the RULERSHIP of a given SIGN
by a planet which was called the "...oikodektor..."
The planets were said to have familiarized themselves with the signs
in the creation, in a process called "...oikeosis..."
The oikodektor was then made the house steward
because that planet was most familiar with
how that zoidion should be run
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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
aka the IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER

In ancient astrology the method
for determining the ruler of the chart was much more complex.

There are references to the MASTER OF THE NATIVITY in many
surviving astrological texts from Hellenistic astrology tradition,
but not many surviving discussions about how to calculate it.

The approach in this lecture is derived from chapter 30
of Porphyry's Introduction to the Tetrabiblos
which is itself derived from
a lost work of definitions by Antiochus of Athens.

How to calculate the predominator (epikratētōr)
the master of the nativity (oikodespotēs geneseōs)
the co-master or joint master of the nativity (sunoikodespotēs)
and the lord of the nativity (kurios).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo8gXjDEQmM&t=3470s
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