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There is a book called homosexuality and the birth chart. Some believe its mars gemini and 8th house correlation. I have to dig it out to see.
Oh I'm new here and happened on this site by happenstance. Thank gawd, I love horary astrology but its so hard to find good discussions.

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Most people i know with gay/ lesbian or bisexual tendencies have a Gemini, Virgo or Aquarius Sun Sign...
There's a Scorpio who doesn't confirm my personal rule... but guess
She's a Gemini Moon in 8

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I'm sorry, in my previous post I said the books was Homosexuality in the Birth Chart...I was wrong. I dug the book out, its by Wim Van Dam entitled Astrology and Homosexuality.

Apparently homosexuality has been discussed in astrological circles for some time. Here are the theories

Ptolemy:if a man has a mars aspect to venus and jupiter and if the latter two planets precede the sun, that individual will confine his sexual interest to men. Lesbians Mars and Venus in masculine signs aspecting each other.

More modern astrologers think its Uranus and Neptune more Uranus in Scorpio or Taurus, I'm a double scorpio myself. My sun is leo, my asc scorpio and moon scorpio. The book goes on and I'll try to post more as I re read it. There is another book that I don't have, Homosexuality in the Horoscope by Karl G. Heimsoth MD.
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I was reading on the web and found this article on Gemini and it discusses it's possible links to homosexuality.
Yes, I agree. I don't feel that homosexuality cannot be found in astrological symbolism, I just object to the idea that we have the knowledge to ascertain a persons sexual orientation in the nativity in terms of 'gay' and 'straight'.

I would associate the air signs with homosexuality, for these reasons:

Gemini consists of double bodied symbolism, they are twins, and the Greek prefix 'homo', means 'the same, or equal to', hence 'homo'sexuality, and identical twins are called 'homo'zygotic twins. So I think it's the unity of sameness that infers homosexual associations with Gemini.

Libra, again, because of the idea of equivalence rather than differentiation, again, a 'homo' concept, in that the weight, ideally, is equal on both sides.

Aquarius, because despite that the Christians stuck their oar in, and changed the original symbol of the male youth of Aquarius into a woman to disguise the original myth from where the symbolism originated, would mythologically relate to homosexuality.

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Ptolemy:if a man has a mars aspect to venus and jupiter and if the latter two planets precede the sun, that individual will confine his sexual interest to men.
Sorry Ptolemy, I don't have these configurations in my chart.
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Sorry Ptolemy, I don't have these configurations in my chart.


are you gay Draco:38:
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Wow, that came out as insensitive and - dare I say it - insulting. O.o
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Oh, no offence taken Kaiousei, I wasn't insulted at all.

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Er...yeah, can you read Kenny?

Although what amused me was this:

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More modern astrologers think its Uranus and Neptune more Uranus in Scorpio or Taurus, I'm a double scorpio myself.
Yea, I forgot to mention Scorpio along with the air signs earlier.

You see, I thought you were implying there that you were gay yourself, and presumed you were. Someone directed my attention to it on PM.

You have two books upon homosexuality in the horoscope? You take a great deal of interest in the matter then? Such books are rare. I'm gay, but I've never heard of these books.

It's usually the general consensus of opinion that a persons sexual orientation either can not or should not be read in the chart, personally I believe that if it is possible, we lack the criteria by which such an analysis to any degree of reliability can be done, which Ptolemy's example demonstrates, but then to be fair, in his age and culture, his perception of what defined homosexuality couldn't get any more different to ours, so we'll never really know what characteristics he was looking for in his aphorism, but it isn't what you or your authors would be looking for. In fact, the way in which Ptolemy considered that an indication of homosexuality could be found in Mars in aspect to both of the fortunate planets serves to demonstrate how his perspective upon homosexuality differed from your's, or indeed, the world at large in this Kali-Yuga.

However, if you want to put the theories of these authors to the test (who are heterosexual no doubt), then I will upload, just for you, five different charts, but only one of them will be gay, and you can use the theories layed out in these books to identify which one.

I don't think astrology should do politics myself, or it loses any scrap of respectability it may have left, but hey, give it a shot.

If you fail I can have a laugh at your expense, if not, well done.

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This thread has been a very interesting reading so far. Let's keep the flame flaring for the sake of learning.

I long for a world and time in which people are not labeled just because they are individuals, or just because we don't want to understand the meaning of tolerance and peaceful convivence, by the way.

About the topic, I think we should be able to pinpoint sexual tendencies in a natal chart, the same as we can spot the skills, mental problems, criminal tendencies or physical ailments that someone is prone to suffer.

Why? Because sexual and other preferences, emotional make up, physical appearance, etc., are determined right at the birth time. A homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual person is born that way. Whether the person live all of their life in denial for whatever reason, or they live in accordance with their natural inclinations, that is their choice. There is plenty of room for free will here.

I think that transits will only trigger something that was already there but that was being repressed.

As much as I have read about certain aspects showing homosexuality, I haven't been able to find the right set of aspects that indicate this with absolute accuracy.

I have studied charts of homosexual men and women trying to isolate the Uranus-Venus-Mars-Gemini connections but many of these charts don't show them. A few of them show only, let's say, Venus/Mars conjunction (my niece's case) or a strong Gemini.

On the other hand, I have seen these so called "indicators of homosexuality", showing in charts of people I happen to know very well, but none qualifies for the "homosexual label". The Venus/Mars conjunction, specifically, in a friend's daughter's chart.

My own chart shows a few indicators of homosexuality according to the information I have gathered from some books, but... I cannot even imagine touching another woman in a sexual way. I cannot imagine myself suddenly changing my sexual preferences because some wicked transit hits a sensitive point in my chart either. Undoubtedly, if I were homosexual, I would follow my natural instincts no matter what the rest of the world thought about it, as long as I knew I wasn't doing harm to anyone.

Perhaps all that it's needed is enough time studying charts of people who are known to be homosexual to see if we can, at last, exclaim Eureka!!


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I didn't really read all the posts. The reason I asked if you were gay because you said you have no gemini or air sign configuration based on the theories. I am gay and have a mars, gemini 8th house thing. :60:

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Oh, no offence taken Kaiousei, I wasn't insulted at all.



Er...yeah, can you read Kenny?

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Yea, I forgot to mention Scorpio along with the air signs earlier.

You see, I thought you were implying there that you were gay yourself, and presumed you were. Someone directed my attention to it on PM.

You have two books upon homosexuality in the horoscope? You take a great deal of interest in the matter then? Such books are rare. I'm gay, but I've never heard of these books.

It's usually the general consensus of opinion that a persons sexual orientation either can not or should not be read in the chart, personally I believe that if it is possible, we lack the criteria by which such an analysis to any degree of reliability can be done, which Ptolemy's example demonstrates, but then to be fair, in his age and culture, his perception of what defined homosexuality couldn't get any more different to ours, so we'll never really know what characteristics he was looking for in his aphorism, but it isn't what you or your authors would be looking for. In fact, the way in which Ptolemy considered that an indication of homosexuality could be found in Mars in aspect to both of the fortunate planets serves to demonstrate how his perspective upon homosexuality differed from your's, or indeed, the world at large in this Kali-Yuga.

However, if you want to put the theories of these authors to the test (who are heterosexual no doubt), then I will upload, just for you, five different charts, but only one of them will be gay, and you can use the theories layed out in these books to identify which one.

I don't think astrology should do politics myself, or it loses any scrap of respectability it may have left, but hey, give it a shot.

If you fail I can have a laugh at your expense, if not, well done.

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Okay Kenny.

Apologies. It just looked as if you were mocking me.
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Re: GAY ASTROLOGY

Draco, although it is unlikely, you may be unaware of the gay-astrology.com site. It has a similar opinion to yours, I think. Anyway, I use it to keep up on the gay news, it has a great compilation, edited daily. Bye.
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Hi Charm.

Interesting post, it lead onto all sorts of thoughts.

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Venus and Mars are the young yin and young yang energy - for active sexual attraction.
Moon and Saturn are the old yin and old yang, the past and inactive.
I can see the sense in this, although in traditional horary it is Venus and the Sun that represent 'animal woman' and 'animal man'.

So in the horary, each person, man and woman will have their usual significators at the cusps, and providing the Sun and Venus are not already taken, these represent their respective masculine and feminine sexualities. Now, if her significator is in strong dignities of his, but he is in none of her dignities, but in strong dignities of Venus, it shows he is more interested in her 'you know what', than in her as a person, and that's how it goes...

It's a most interesting techinque, and can be very revealing as to the true intent as to the true nature of each persons motivations. In horaries pertaining to heterosexual relationships, I find using these significators as such works very well.

It isn't possible to use these significators in questions pertaining to same sex relationships, because you can't have two Suns or two Venus'!

I have in the past toyed with the possibility of using the Sun/Mars for men, and Moon/Venus for women, so that still presents us with the problem of deciding who is who, so I simply do not use these significators in homosexual relationships, and I don't have a problem with that. I have discovered that this isn't necessary, because in a male/male relationships it is simply necessary only to look at the Sun, and how their respective significators are relating to it, and for a female/female realtionship, it's only necessary to look to Venus in a similar fashion.

I now realise, profoundly, that it is not at all necessary to distinguish between two seperate planets to represent each persons sexuality, because in a homosexual relationship, their sexuality is the same, so of course you only need to look at the one planet!

This realisation taught me something in general about the way in which we percieve homosexuality in this Kali-Yuga. I realise how the misconceptions of our society at large caused me to be seeking out separate significators in the first place. Why is it that we try to percieve homosexuality in heterosexual terms? How bizarre!

The fact that we do this is demonstrated in the fact that traditional astrologers wonder about what two different significators they can use for each party in a homosexual relationship, forgetting the fact that their sexuality is the same! So there is no differentiation. It is evident in this whole issue of gay marriage and adoption, which I think personally is quite farcical, and a demonstration of how homophobic our age is in that there are a certain 'gays' that seek to do these things in order to model themselves on heterosexual relationships and be accepted. I understand that this is not what homosexuality is about, I find it ridiculous and quite embarrasing in fact, but this is my understanding. I hanker after the beknighted past, the Spartans and the Band of Thebes, this is what homosexuality is all about to me, but again, this is my understanding. I am completely certain that I was sent from there to here to experience some horrible and dishonourable tribulation in being 'gay' in this age. What a terrible demotion! I do wonder what it is that I am supposed to be learning, coming from there to here.

Another example of how we try and percieve homosexuality in heterosexual terms these days, is the symbol of two interlinking Mars or Venus symbols to represent homosexuality or lesbianism. Wrong! All that is necessary is one Mars or one Venus symbol, to represent the unity between all 'maleness' and 'femaleness', you can't divide the already indivisible. The fact that we seek to do so in such glyphs, shows how we seek to model homosexuality on heterosexuality, thats where we are all confused, gay or straight.

Another example yet again, of how homosexuality is misconstrued, is when people make audaciously ignorant comments such as 'so who's 'the man' and who's 'the woman'', my response is, repenting my fury, 'well, neither of us, or that would entirely defeat the object wouldn't it!?'.

Sorry, I went off on a bit of a tangent there and said a lot I didn't know I was going to say, but I feel very safe here to speak of such things, and just be, well, very open.

I am meant to open up here, my ascendant conjoins the forums midheaven precisely, and the forums Sun opposes my Moon precisely, symbolically, making it glow fully.

Anyway, in traditional natal astrology, in diurnal charts the father is the Sun, and Venus the mother. In nocturnal charts, Saturn in the father and Luna the mother.

I do however sometimes wonder why mother/father, woman/man are not given the seemingly obvious polarities of Sun/Moon, or Venus/Mars as you said. I do trust the Sun/Venus, Saturn/Moon polarity though, as it appears to work well. I just wish I could find the reasoning behind it, as I do trust that there is a sound reasoning behind it - as it works!

I'm glad this thread has revived, because we ought to discuss these things, and if anyone gets offended, all it takes is to explain why.

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The observation danny99 says regarding Chiron and Venus is interesting
Well, I'm not a Chiron fan, and I delete the transpersonals most of the time, as the seven lights are my source of fascination, but when I look at my chart, I recall that I have Chiron in precise opposition to Mars, and Mars is the most powerful planet in my chart. If you allow for out of sign aspects, which I don't, Mars is also quite closely conjoined with Uranus.

Be afraid!

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Chiron represents where we receive a psychic wound and if combined by inharmonious aspect with Venus or Mars could result in the effect he describes.
Well, I told you my wound, I'm completely desperate to go back.

I don't know what Venus has to do with homosexuality though, not for me anyway. Put it this way, if I was given the choice between the feel of a leather strap and a feather boa, I wouldn't go for the boa, so you get an idea of what I'm about now. Although it wasn't the best analogy.

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I agree with Tim about Mars in Taurus and Venus in Aries etc, or Venus in Scorpio and Mars in Libra, and the role reversal thing.
Well I'm Mars in Scorpio, and no role reversal here.

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I don't really know the answers but I want to remain open and hold all these thoughts in mind, not to block ideas or the discussion of others. I don't see the point of getting all heated about it.
Fair enough.

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Hi Moondance

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the gay-astrology.com site
*Draco cringes*

Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware of this site, but I'm not sure it's one I'd visit much.

I have seen some gay astrology sites, and I will visit them for research purposes on the rare occasion - say to 'Astroqueer' in order to look for a chart or something, but honestly, I've never been into the whole 'gay community' thing at all as I find it extremely political, and my politics tend to veer rather sharply to the right, if I can't have anarchy that is. In fact I really don't like that word, pink isn't my colour, and my flag is pure black.

One day in the not too far future, when I design a site, you'll know what I'm about.

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It has a similar opinion to yours
I'm quite certain that it's general consensus of opinion on most things is very different to mine indeed. I see rainbow flags as a 'keep out' sign, because I know I don't like the body of politics that it inevitably represents.

Thankyou anyway for providing the link, as it was thoughtful of you.

For the record, here is my kind of site, which hopefully, someone out there may have been looking for something similar as well:

http://www.jackmalebranche.com/hub/i...&id=5&Itemid=6

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The word gay has never described mere homosexuality. Gay is a subculture, a slur, a set of gestures, a slang, a look, a posture, a parade, a rainbow flag, a film genre, a taste in music, a hairstyle, a marketing demographic, a bumper sticker, a political agenda and philosophical viewpoint. Gay is a pre-packaged, superficial persona—a lifestyle. It's a sexual identity that has almost nothing to do with sexuality.

Androphilia is a rejection of the overloaded gay identity and a return to a discussion of homosexuality in terms of desire: a raw, apolitical sexual desire and the sexualized appreciation for masculinity as experienced by men. The gay sensiblility is a near-oblivious embrace of a castrating slur, the nonstop celebration of an age-old, emasulating stimga applied to men who engaged in homosexual acts. Gays and radical queers imagine that they challenge the status quo, but in appropriating the stigma of effeminacy, they merely conform to and confirm long-established expectations. Men who love men have been paradoxically cast as the enemies of masculinity—slaves to the feminist pipe dream of a 'gender-neutral' (read: anti-male, pro-female) world.
Sorry to go off topic, but that link could be extremely important in some young guys life.
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Draco-My statement meant that the site feels that gayness is not evident in the chart. How could I make a comparison of your global feelings about your sexuality when it is(or was) unknown to me?

You do seem to forget that males don't own homosexuality,however. I would like to think about your post before replying more fully, but I have always felt that homosexual males and homosexual females are the most "masculine" and most "feminine" of people, respectively. This may seem incongruous due to outer dress and mannerism, but is plainly confirmed by sexual style and manner of relating to one another. More later,after sleep.Goodnight.
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Draco-My statement meant that the site feels that gayness is not evident in the chart.
Yes, I realise this, but the link tapped into a particular stream of thought at the time.

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You do seem to forget that males don't own homosexuality,however.
I don't. I understand that homosexuality and lesbianism are the cardinal opposites of each other and have nothing in common. Despite the 'LGBT community' placing absolutely everything that is sexual, but not 'hetero'sexual under the same banner.

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It depends.

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As an Astrologer with close to 28 years of working with charts. I have yet to find an indicator in a chart that shows a person is male or female. Thus, I feel it almost impossible to presume a sexual orientation.

Keeping in mind, the most current statistics state that 10% of the population is gay. That does not automatically assume that 90% of the world are heterosexual and seeking monogamous lives. There are Transgendered individuals, Transexuals, Bisexuals. There are also now families that consist of many partners.

The chart can and will show, "unusual" traits. The problem is...in our current world there is very little that is now considered..."Unusual". LOL
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I haven't read all the posts as some of them are a little too long for my attention span , but I don't recall anyone mentioning Liz Greene on this thread. In her seminal book: Saturn: A New Look at an Old Devil, she discusses the chart of a homosexual man in-depth, and links early parenting of this man with his flagrant homosexuality. She neither supports nor denies the 'nature/nurture' debate, but she does draw some interesting parallels, mostly with the mother/10th house issues (isn't it always?). However, I don't recall that she found any definitive evidence of 'planet X in house X = homosexuality'; perhaps it was a happy coincidence.

My own feeling is that sexuality is a private matter and its manifestation is heavily dependent upon a number of factors, not the least of which is upbringing, but also includes something one is born with; and that the search for 'sexuality' in a chart is a hiding to nothing, much like gender. From my rather Sagittarius/Aquarius perspective, 'who cares' what sexual preference one has?

I would also feel VERY apprehensive if some link was found between sexual preference and the natal chart. This would become an absolute minefield and put babies at extreme risk in places/cultures where so-called 'deviant' sexuality is forbidden and is certainly a potential in places where astrology is widely recognised.

Certainly charts must be able to show *inclinations* toward certain things, but inclination and actual *practice* are two very different things.

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Hi Charm, Archer.

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I read through all your posts again but could not find any mention of the wound you said you had suffered?
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I hanker after the beknighted past, the Spartans and the Band of Thebes, this is what homosexuality is all about to me, but again, this is my understanding. I am completely certain that I was sent from there to here to experience some horrible and dishonourable tribulation in being 'gay' in this age. What a terrible demotion! I do wonder what it is that I am supposed to be learning, coming from there to here.
This tremondous discontent relates a lot to:

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The word gay has never described mere homosexuality. Gay is a subculture, a slur, a set of gestures, a slang, a look, a posture, a parade, a rainbow flag, a film genre, a taste in music, a hairstyle, a marketing demographic, a bumper sticker, a political agenda and philosophical viewpoint. Gay is a pre-packaged, superficial persona—a lifestyle. It's a sexual identity that has almost nothing to do with sexuality.

Androphilia is a rejection of the overloaded gay identity and a return to a discussion of homosexuality in terms of desire: a raw, apolitical sexual desire and the sexualized appreciation for masculinity as experienced by men. The gay sensiblility is a near-oblivious embrace of a castrating slur, the nonstop celebration of an age-old, emasulating stimga applied to men who engaged in homosexual acts. Gays and radical queers imagine that they challenge the status quo, but in appropriating the stigma of effeminacy, they merely conform to and confirm long-established expectations. Men who love men have been paradoxically cast as the enemies of masculinity—slaves to the feminist pipe dream of a 'gender-neutral' (read: anti-male, pro-female) world.
This, is my 'wound'. This is the curse of my existence, the bane of my life.

I belong to a mindset that appears to be extremely rare as yet. I am aware of the 'truth'. I bet that in my lifetime things will begin to change more toward the nature of things detailed in the quote, but no doubt by time they do, I'll probably be far too old and unattractive to enjoy it, if not long since dead, and the latter is probably more likely, thanks to the proliferation of 'gay' culture, which feminism was ultimately responsible for by the way. I have every belief in women's rights, I believe in the freedom of all good people, I just don't like the way that the attainment of their rights have ruined the lives of men like me, and now even heterosexual men are being 'feminised' with this whole 'metrosexual' culture thing that becomes more and more prevalent. I find this harrowing. Heed the warning signs guys! I think that the balance is going to need to be tipped again, and I believe and predict that there will come a time where things get so out of hand, that a 'masculism' movement will become necessary, it will be a long time coming, but it will most definately come. Men are losing their natural, masculine identities, and it isn't just men who have been relegated to the 'gay' corner anymore. Heterosexual men are going to start realising what homosexual men have been suffering for decades, now it's their turn to be feminised. Ha! Give it several decades, and let's see how they like it!

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Like you, my main fascination is the traditional planets with traditional rulerships.
Rare breed aren't we?

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they are like the actual pudding while planets like Uranus etc are like the cherry garnish on top (which I can pick off).
Me too. I see the 'transpersonals' as a completely different 'species' of planet. A higher order perhaps. In horary I find them useless. In natal astrology I feel that their influence is probably negligible, but I'm open minded. I feel that the outer planets, surely, really come into their own in mundane astrology. I think that when I get to the stage of exploring mundane astrology, it would be most unwise to ignore the transpersonals, after all, mundane astrology is all about the 'transpersonal'.

Some people's use of the term 'transpersonal' incorporates Jupiter and Saturn, I use the term in reference to Uranus, Neptune and Pluto only.

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However, I am interested in the outer planets as well in their own way and don't disregard that they have an importance.
You see it the same way as I do.

I personally do not at all accept that the transpersonals have any rulerships by domicile in the zodiac, anymore than they have exaltation, triplicity, term or face. They are above and beyond such pigeon-holing, far too permeating, universal and subtle to be ascribed to portions of the zodiac. If anything, all three of them rule over everything, in three different respects, as creator, preserver and destroyer, those three forces that reside concurrently and continually in all things, like in the Hindu triplicity...but that's for another thread.

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The thing about Venus and Mars as the active attraction of young yin and yang, and Moon and Saturn as the innactive old yin and yang, that's from my own thoughts, not something that I had read anywhere.
Well, it's funny that apart from swapping Mars for the Sun, traditional astrology sees it in a very similar way. If you don't look into traditional methods, you might find it sympathetic with your own ideas, especially as you are mainly interested in the seven lights.

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..politically correct all the time.
Ugh! Nor me. I eat political correctness for breakfast. If it's a spade, call it a spade.

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I would rather have a cup of tea than a sexual encounter.
Ha ha! I believe that this is a famous quotation by Boy George on a television interview in the eighties. 'Sex? I'd rather have a cup of tea, love!'. Personally, I wouldn't swap a good climax for all the tea in China!

The anima/animus thing is interesting. I have a book by Jung, called, 'Man and his Symbols', in which he goes into this, and about what male and female figures mean in our dreams.

I want to have a think about this more before I respond to it however.

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In your own chart, Venus is in neutral Virgo and the only aspect to Venus from another planet is Jupiter from H10 (this house energy does not mix with Venus and like Mercury Jupiter is neutral no sex). That means not much anima in you, so probably a diversion to your highly charged Mars in Scorpio to be your animus instead. I can't ignore that Chiron (wounds to psyche) is in opposition to Mars between H4 and H10, so it is possible that your home life/parents played a role in your feelings towards your sexuality. Your Mars in conj to erratic Uranus does not like to conform to the norm expected of you.
I take it you're using whole sign houses? In whole sign houses, Mars has tremendous power in my chart and easily dominates the horoscope, and afflicts the peregrine Moon which comes off a square of Mars, and Mars hates the Moon, being in Scorpio, the Moon's fall, so this isn't good for my Moon...

Young Yang giving Old Yin a good lashing...hmm....

I do find it funny seeing the Moon as 'old yin' however, as the Moon is fertility, pregnancy and motherhood, which we would associate with young women, not old.

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The parents have a strong subconscious effect and rejection of either parent (by you or by them) can affect sexuality. In fact they can be represented by the Moon and Saturn in the chart. For example, maybe like your Venus you don't mix with your father.
No I don't mix with my father. I probably won't know when he dies, and I certainly won't be attending his funeral.

Part of the tradition teaches that in a diurnal chart, the Sun is the father and Venus the mother, and I have both in Virgo, in the Placidus seventh and the whole sign eighth.

However, there may be something in seeing my parents as the Moon and Saturn. You see, the Moon's afflicition by Mars could make sense, because in my early teens I hated my mother passionately. I blamed her for my very existence, the absence of my father, and my abject misery in life. She was the evil witch that sent me to school, that evil institution for the purpose of psycho-sexual and social conditioning that I despised so much (I was very politically and philosophically opinionated as a kid, way beyond my years). I wanted to be sent to an all boys school but she didn't let me, I grew up in a house full of females, and upon leaving primary school I was intensely aware of the need to balance this out.

I actually feel guilty sending these words out into the aether, as I do not see my mother this way any more, I love her a great deal, and we get along fine, but this is how I felt at that age, I hated her passionately.

Now, in seeing Saturn as the father, that could be interesting. In my chart, using Placidus, Mercury is the ruler of the fourth cusp (father), and Mercury applies conjunction to Saturn, and exalts Saturn, but this conjunction never fulfills, because just as it is about to get there, Mercury turns retrograde, and never joins to the planet it so exalts. In my secondary progressed chart, this Mercury's unfullfillment of conjunction to Saturn by turning retrograde, corresponds to the age of five, the year that I was abandoned by my father, so there is something in the Moon and Saturn as mother and father, even if my chart is diurnal.

(Mercury also rules the Placidus fifth house of sex in my chart)

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She neither supports nor denies the 'nature/nurture' debate, but she does draw some interesting parallels, mostly with the mother/10th house issues (isn't it always?). However, I don't recall that she found any definitive evidence of 'planet X in house X = homosexuality'; perhaps it was a happy coincidence.
I'm fine with the idea of exploring a person's sexual behaviour in the horoscope, but not trying to reduce the pursuit to 'astro-signatures' for homosexuality, which is nonsense.

I do also wonder why these pursuits are always focused upon male homosexuality, what's the fascination?

Why did she not try and explore Casanova's peculiar sexuality in a similar light? Casanova wasn't sexually conventional by any means.

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...but also includes something one is born with
What we are born with, being such an intelligent species and not slaves to mere instinct, is the latent capacity for bi-sexual expression, especially males, given that we are, quite naturally, so obsessed with sex. This latent capacity is of course beaten out of our brains by the rigours of the institutions into which we are forced by our respective states at an early age, to be psycho-sexually and socially conditioned, beneath the guise of an academic education. If we are not succesfully harangued by the world at large into being 'normal', if it appears that some are lagging behind in the conditioning process, then the culture will foist the idea that you are 'gay' upon your back, and if you don't apply this concept to yourself, the world around you is certainly very keen to do so, and your feeble, young mind haplessly follows suit.

It is all very clear to me, and given my predicament I have spent the greater part of my life immersed in deep thought about it, and the conclusion really is as simple as the above paragraph.

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From my rather Sagittarius/Aquarius perspective, 'who cares' what sexual preference one has?
Indeed. In fact this forum itself is an Aquarian Sun, and Sagittarius rising.

I couldn't imagine this discussion on Skyscript, could you?! Ha, ha!

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I would also feel VERY apprehensive if some link was found between sexual preference and the natal chart. This would become an absolute minefield and put babies at extreme risk in places/cultures where so-called 'deviant' sexuality is forbidden and is certainly a potential in places where astrology is widely recognised.
There never will be found a definative link between astrology and sexuality, I bet my soul on that.

The naive and insidious idea that sexuality is genetic is a fascist one, and has not the slightest basis in reality.
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What is the chart date of this forum?
The time and place at which this forum was 'born':

17th February, 2005.
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Tirgu Mures (24-E-34 / 46-N-33), Romania.

Asc - 08.19 Sagittarius.
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In fact this forum itself is an Aquarian Sun, and Sagittarius rising.
Ah. I have an 11th house Sagittarius Sun/Venus and Aquarius rising. Makes sense.

I don't feel that sexuality is genetic; that's not what I was saying. I believe in reincarnation and feel that sexuality is chosen between lifetimes, to be either compatible or incompatible with the society into which one chooses to be born. Some choose pansexuality, and shag everything and anything. Some choose asexuality. Some choose something in between. So from my view, it really *doesn't* matter what one's sexual preference is (so long as it causes no harm to anyone/anything else, I should qualify). So I feel that *everyone* at some point in time, will be homosexual, heterosexual, asexual, bisexual, nonsexual, etc. just like everyone will be born male and female, over and over. In the biggest picture, it doesn't matter. What matters more, I suppose, is learning to accept oneself and learning how to navigate in a sometimes hostile world if your preferences don't match the current fashion.

Interesting views on the feminisation of culture, Draco. I think you may have some points, although as a female it is likely I will have a different perspective on yours, slightly.
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I just don't like the way that the attainment of their rights have ruined the lives of men like me, and now even heterosexual men are being 'feminised' with this whole 'metrosexual' culture thing that becomes more and more prevalent.
Oh really? I wasn't aware that women trying to have equal pay and equal consideration for top jobs has encouraged men to buy expensive facial creams. I would blame that on the media/cosmetics industry. People would wear steel wool if they felt it made them more attractive, male or female.

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Men are losing their natural, masculine identities, and it isn't just men who have been relegated to the 'gay' corner anymore
What, pray tell, is a 'masculine identity', and are you by this saying that straight men = masculine and 'gay' men = feminine? C'mon. This is too simplistic an argument. You're buying into certain archetypes which don't hold much water nowdays. Aside from very campy queens, who are almost a charicature of themselves, most men, gay OR straight, fall somewhere well in-between Divine and Russell Crowe.

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I do also wonder why these pursuits are always focused upon male homosexuality, what's the fascination?
Good question. I think there is something in the Western cultural psyche that views male homosexuality as being more deviant (I don't mean the loaded term 'deviant', but the literal translation)than female homosexuality, since we as a culture take it as a given that women are more comfortable forming close emotional and even physical relationships with one another. Men, on the other hand, are traditionally considered to be less comfortable with emotional connections with other men (apart from say, in sporting and/or war events), and so any crossing of this unacknowledged 'boundary' is more noticeable, and therefore open to scrutiny. There is also something very deeply-seated in the culture that views, how shall we say, penetrative sex in orifices other than the female reproductive one, in quite a negative fashion, although this has of course occurred since humans climbed out of the trees. Culture, Draco, culture is the key.

But I'd like to point out that homosexual men are still in many ways and means much better off than women, despite the feminist movements; you will still earn more than me and have better opportunities for career advancement, so don't cry too much.

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Interesting!!

I am gay and Saggitarius. Was Juno in my natal chart?

Born 10 Dec 1964 at 08h30 in Johannesburg South Africa.

Could anyone tell me?

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Well, if it's an indicator of anything, I have Uranus and Neptune in my first house, and my Sun, Mercury, and Venus are in Gemini in the 6th/7th houses. And I've recently come to accept myself as gay, after identifying myself strictly with that since I was around 11 years old. So the flow of the thread along the lines of Gemini and Uranus might have something to do with it :P. Of course, I never got along with my dad either, so that's another story.
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I've been wondering about that too...
Last year I met a twin brothers that are born almost the same time and one is gay and the other is not =.=
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Well, if it's an indicator of anything, I have Uranus and Neptune in my first house, and my Sun, Mercury, and Venus are in Gemini in the 6th/7th houses. And I've recently come to accept myself as gay, after identifying myself strictly with that since I was around 11 years old. So the flow of the thread along the lines of Gemini and Uranus might have something to do with it :P. Of course, I never got along with my dad either, so that's another story.
Well you have mars SQ. to that Uranus and Venus. =)

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=10735 <-----another thread

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The other question is: Is child abuse a collective occurence? I have heard so much news in recent years and its disturbing what these children are being born into. Has anyone done charts with abused children aspects?
I dunno if this helps, but I was physically, emotionally, and verbally abused from ages 6-16 by my alcoholic mother... check out my chart (see sig) and tell me what you think.
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