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SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

The following table

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below the column headed HOUSE
that

SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

by the way

for beginners who do not know
HOUSE = DOMICILE
i.e.
House is aka Domicile



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.....................doesn't Saturn sometimes give great wealth and power to nativities, and doesn't he sometimes cause great afflictions? Yes, of course, but that has to do with his harmonious or disharmonious relationship with the planet/angle/lot through the different aspects and natures of the subjects. So combining essential and accidental dignity into the same concept does not prevent us from making these distinctions, while I would argue that too much emphasis on the essential dignity could prevent someone making this distinction in the particular cases - for example when it helps rank with trine to the Sun from Aquarius by day, but causes divorce with square to the Moon in a dual sign in a male nativity, Aquarius is not going to help the first and mitigate the latter, I argue that is going to increase and actualize the effects of both.

Powerful Saturn at the nativity does not mean that it will give only very good or very evil at all times (though it certainly can exceed in one direction), if you use the recasting of horoscopes at solar and lunar revolutions, planets change their powers, which allows for differentiation in the chronocratorship. You can't make this important differentiation if you only use primary directions, profections or what have you with the nativity though.
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HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY


"It's a good thing" for any planet that is of the sect in favor


If a planet is not of the sect in favor
then
it is the wrong time of day for the planet.


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

is not of the sect in favor in NIGHT charts



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ON THE DIVISION OF TIMES
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121677

SATURN favorably placed by day
causes profit from vigorous efforts and hard work, ancient trades,
mysteries, legacy, relatives, elders, property and land
and the times become good for everything.

When unfavorably placed by night
it makes difficulties in everything
inactivity, bodily illness and dangers, losses, poverty, penalties, h
arm, judgements and deaths of relatives
dismantling of ancient things, quarrels with elders
deceptions and extortions of friends
troubles from lands and foundations
and from the places that SATURN governs at the nativity

SATURN onto Jupiter favorably placed by day

are productive of prosperity, notable friendships and acquisitions.
When unfavorably placed by night
they fine and damage what is being completed
harm relatives, they bring toil and the reduction of wealth.

SATURN onto Mars favorably placed make troubles and setbacks.

When unfavorably placed
they make those who are discouraged and not eager
they gather up enemies and trouble
and sickness with Mercury.

SATURN onto Sun favorably placed by day

cause high rank and wealth.
When unfavorably placed by night
they portend dangers from authorities and travel
unemployment, penalties, dimming of vision
and harm to the father.

SATURN onto Venus favorably placed

indicate success in business and marriage for the unmarried.
When unfavorably placed
they cause disturbances of friendship and love
and changes of affairs.

SATURN onto Mercury favorably placed by day

indicate great advancement and increase of wealth.
When unfavorably placed by night
they bring about the chilling of business
contentions, debts, sickness
deceptions in business and harm from speech.

SATURN onto Moon unfavorably placed cause uproars

bodily illness, the reduction of possessions
and harm to the mother.
When favorably placed
the time is profitable and productive of alliance.

Jupiter onto SATURN favorably placed by day

cause advancement, association with the great
the alleviation of distress
nativities spend freely and manage the work of others.
When unfavorably placed by night
they cause turbulent times
oppression by superiors
and grief from relatives.


Published under Open Access 2020
MARTIN GANSTEN

'A Note on the Indian Planetary Exaltations and their Greek-Language Sources'.
https://journals.library.ualberta.ca...rticle/view/66





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next planet equally important in overall rulership of a nativity
besides Oikodespotes
aka domicile master of the chart


is
KURIOS aka Lord of the nativity.

Kurios is the executor of the agenda
that Oikodespotes aka domicile master holds.

Determination of whether

SATURN SOLE DOMICILA RULER OF AQUARIUS may be Kurios
is determined from the following candidates

1. Ascendant sign.

Establish whether any planet(s) are in the Ascendant sign
AND bounds of the ascending degree.

2. Domicile Lord of Ascendant.

3. Moon and its Domicile Lord

4. Tenth sign from ascendant and its Domicile Lord

5. Lot of Fortune and its Domicile Lord.

6. Any planets that make phasis in the chart.

include planets that make a first or second station seven days

before
or
after

nativity.

7. The bound lord of the pre-natal lunation.


Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using the above hierarchy
AND
is also fit to conduct its business



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by the way

the Moon WHEN VISIBLE
is visible solely because

Moon REFLECTS the LIGHT of the SUN

and


SATURN sole DOMICILE ruler of Aquarius

is visible also
by REFLECTING the LIGHT of the SUN




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To determine whether
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE OF AQUARIUS
is OIKODESPOTES OF A NATAL CHART
keep in mind that

the term oikodespotes aka DOMICILE MASTER
is used for domicile master/ruler of signs

for example
Mars is oikodespotes of Aries
and
Venus is oikodespotes of Taurus.
because
Mars
and
Venus
claim those signs as their dwelling place.



There is also an
oikodespotes aka DOMICILE MASTER of the whole chart itself

To determine this
first determine the predominator in a nativity.
then
The domicile ruler of the predominator's sign

is the domicile master aka OIKODESPOTES of the chart
i.e. the OIKODESPOSTES is the planet claiming the whole chart
as their dwelling place
The domicile master is the one who sets the agenda/policy in native's life.
The bound aka TERM ruler of the predominator = the oversight

i.e.
the one who sets the restriction over the domicile master
aka oikodespotes of the chart.
In chart delieneation

the domicile master of the predominator aka oikodespotes
preferably is in aspect with the predominator
and
the bound ruler of the predominator

preferably is in aspect or configured to the domicile master
aka oikodespotes of the chart.
Also important whether these planets are 'favorable' to the native.



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Robert Schmidt http://www.projecthindsight.com/

says Greek astrologers used metaphor
to convey the idea of the functions of the various planets
based on the Greeks being a seafaring nation
who two thousand years ago navigated the oceans
using sailing ships


hence


THE HELLENISTIC NAUTICAL METAPHOR



The ship itself
is
the native’s life
as represented by the Predominator


The first and second Trigon Lords
aka Triplicity Lords of the Predominator
are the Winds that carry the ship to its destiny.



The third Trigon aka Triplicity Lord
symbolizes the oars that move the ship.



Oikodespotes aka Domicile Master of the chart
is the ship owner
and
sets the agenda or destiny for the native
BUT
under the restrictions set by the bound ruler of the Predominator.



Kurios aka Lord of the nativity is the Captain of the ship
aka Executor
aka the one responsible
to bring the ship
to the destination set by Oikodespotes aka Domicile Master.


The Ascendant sign is the “...helm...” of the ship
and represents the physical life.


Domicile Lord of the Ascendant is the Helmsman
or the First Officer of the ship.

Lot of Fortune
represents everything that befalls the native
that is not of his or her own doing.


Domicile Lord of the Lot of Fortune
represents the man on the prow of the ship
aka Second Officer
who is on the look out for things/events
that are going to befall the native.

Clearly crucial that Lord of the Lot of Fortune
be able to communicate with the Domicile Master
and
the Ascendant/Helmsman
Lord of the nativity aka Kurios




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next planet equally important in overall rulership of a nativity
besides Oikodespotes
aka domicile master of the chart


is
KURIOS aka Lord of the nativity.

Kurios is the executor of the agenda
that Oikodespotes aka domicile master holds.

Determination of whether

SATURN SOLE DOMICILA RULER OF AQUARIUS may be Kurios
is determined from the following candidates

1. Ascendant sign.

Establish whether any planet(s) are in the Ascendant sign
AND bounds of the ascending degree.

2. Domicile Lord of Ascendant.

3. Moon and its Domicile Lord

4. Tenth sign from ascendant and its Domicile Lord

5. Lot of Fortune and its Domicile Lord.

6. Any planets that make phasis in the chart.

include planets that make a first or second station seven days

before
or
after

nativity.

7. The bound lord of the pre-natal lunation.


Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using the above hierarchy
AND
is also fit to conduct its business



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Hi, JUPITERASC


I wanted to give a try in calculating this.


1. Ascendant sign, Jupiter in First house conj. Asc


2. Domciile lord is Mercury


3. Moon is in Virgo, domicile Lord is once again Mercury


4. in the 10th sign we find the sun and it is ruled by Jupiter


5. Lot of Fortune is ruled by Jupiter and found in Sag.


6. no planets appear to be entering/exiting phasis week before or after my birth, venus does station retro however.


7. the bound lord of the syzygy (I am assuming you are talking about decans)

Saturn





Seems to be a mix between Mercury/Jupiter


how would you choose between the two?
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Hi, JUPITERASC
I wanted to give a try in calculating this.
1. Ascendant sign, Jupiter in First house conj. Asc
2. Domicile lord is Mercury
3. Moon is in Virgo, domicile Lord is once again Mercury
4. in the 10th sign we find the sun and it is ruled by Jupiter
5. Lot of Fortune is ruled by Jupiter and found in Sag.
6. no planets appear to be entering/exiting phasis week before or after my birth, venus does station retro however.
7. the bound lord of the syzygy (I am assuming you are talking about decans)
Saturn
Seems to be a mix between Mercury/Jupiter
how would you choose between the two?


"...SYZYGY...”

refers to

Full or New Moon
directly preceding the natal

BOUND lord of SYZYGY is NOT the DECAN Lord

The BOUNDS are a system of dividing each zodiacal sign into 5 unequal regions
The regions are called BOUNDS or TERMS.
Each of the five bounds of a sign is ruled by one of the five planets

i.e.
the non-Lights.


Egyptian Bounds - some variation in ancient literature
in which bounds were of different lengths or ruled by different planets.
For instance, check out the different table of bounds at Altair astrology.

However, the so-called EGYPTIAN BOUNDS are independently attested in many ancient sources.

Additionally, the EGYPTIAN BOUNDS have been found in early horoscopes recovered by archaeologists

Using Bounds
The bound ruler of a planet or point, such as the Ascendant
has an influence over the nature of that planet or point.
The bound is link between the two.

SIGNS as the houses of the planets
and the BOUNDS are comparable to their rooms.

Additionally, the bounds are key
to certain predictive techniques in Hellenistic and Persian astrology.
For instance
the bound ruler of the directed Ascendant
an important time lord

THE DISTRIBUTOR.
You can find
a great set of charts of the various systems of bounds on the Altair Astrology site.



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Virgo Moon is predominator
first trigon lord = Venus = first eight years.
second trigon lord = Moon = until 33.
third trigon lord = Mars = after 33?

or start with moon 25 years
+ leo sun 19 years
+ mercury 20 years ?
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Virgo Moon is predominator
first trigon lord = Venus = first eight years.
second trigon lord = Moon = until 33.
third trigon lord = Mars = after 33?

or start with moon 25 years
+ leo sun 19 years
+ mercury 20 years ?


The Minor Years of the Planets
are consistently given in many different texts.
One source is
at the end of Book III
of the Anthology by Valens

free download.

Below are the Minor Years of each planet
  • Saturn – 30
  • Jupiter – 12
  • Mars – 15
  • Sun – 19
  • Venus – 8
  • Mercury – 20
  • Moon – 25
In various sections of the Anthology
especially Book VII
Valens uses the years of the planets for prediction.
He combines the minor years of planets that are in configurations.



Valens also
combines minor years of planets with those of their ruler.


The basic idea is that
a planet’s effects are likely to manifest
or ripen
near to the number of years of the planet.
Multiples of the years are also used.
For instance, Venus ripens every 8 years
so at age 16, 24, 32, and 40 she may also come into focus.

Note that the native’s 16th year is actually when he/she is 15
so the indication can also be
for the year leading up to that age.

Combining Years

Combinations include summing the Minor Years of two planets.
We can sum the Minor Years of a planet and its ruler
for activation of the planet in the sign.

For instance, age 27 may be an activation of
the Sun in Taurus - Sun 19 plus Venus 8.


Additionally, to time out the ripening of configurations
we combine the years of the planets involved.
For instance, age 27 may see the activation of
a Jupiter - 12 - square Mars - 15 - configuration in the chart.

article at https://sevenstarsastrology.com/astr...ision-of-days/


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Jupiter and SATURN were called by astrologers of old
the "Great Chronocrators".
For millennia
the alignment of these two planets
has been regarded
as a significator of great social
economic
and
political watersheds - historic turning points, if you will.
hence
referred to as
"The Great Conjunction"
clearly then
Juiter Saturn conjunctions have been charted for millenia
by MUNDANE ASTROLOGERS


Jupiter's alignment with SATURN
occurs at intervals of just under 20 years
The aspect is occasionally repeated due to a retrograde
of one or both planets.
Each successive conjunction
not counting retrograde repeats
occurs at a mean advance of
approximately 243 degrees relative to its predecessor
although from one alignment to the next
this arc can vary considerably.

Every third conjunction
i.e.
once every 60 years
brings the alignment back
to its starting place, plus around 9 degrees:
this 60 year cycle is termed
FIRST ORDER RECURRENCE of the conjunction.

Every 40th conjunction - roughly once every 800 years -
brings the alignment back to within about 1 degree of its starting place:
this approximate 800 year cycle is termed SECOND ORDER RECURRENCE
aka GREAT MUTATION CYCLE



Jupiter and SATURN may both be regarded as generational planets
Jupiter takes 12 years to orbit Sun
and
Saturn takes 30 years to orbit Sun
- additionally, during their respective orbits of the Sun
Jupiter and Saturn are in conjunction only approximately every 20 years.

These specific spans of time

chime well with the accepted idea of “a generation”
being the span of time necessary before human beings are physically able
to produce a child of their own
in human terms, 'a generation' can be a variable
- that's because some produce offspring very early
and in many 'eastern' countries before their teens.

However, in 'the west' there is a tendency to initially focus on 'career'
before then producing offspring later in the 30's.
The middle ground would be those producing offspring in their 20's.
Based on those rather "rough and ready" spans of time then:

(1) A twelve year Jupiter orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at an age considered in 'the west'
very young - i.e. 12

(2) A thirty year Saturn orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at what is considered in 'the west'
to be a 'more responsible age' - i.e. 30

(3) A combination of the two planets in regular 20 year Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions

then represent the 'middle-ground' - i.e. 19/20

USUALLY a generation
averages about 25 years from the birth of a parent to the birth of a child
- although it varies case by case
it is generally accepted that the length of a generation
was closer to 20 years in earlier times
when humans mated younger
and life expectancies were shorter



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Saturn rules Aquarius because in ancient times

Saturn was the boundary between the real world
and the world of spirits.
Saturn was the only planet with rings
and these rings gave Saturn a portal to the higher realms.
For this reason Saturn ruled all forms of magic
and ruled the transition from mortal to immortal life.

The ring system was described as "the ring pass, not pass "
dividing line between the spirit world and the real world.
As such the attributes we give Aquarius
were in the domain of Saturn.

Saturn is the adept, those who know how to manipulate the
highest planes of existence.
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As I said, Saturn was historically
the boundary between the mundane world
and the world of spirits.




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- SATURN has rulership over rocks, stones, metals and minerals

Professions and types of people signified by SATURN
include miners and those that work with metals or minerals from the earth
or those that dig into the earth aka farm workers, gardeners, grave diggers,
- people who dig trenches or work in quarries
or work beneath its surface in tunnels and caves.
SATURN signifies plumbers, people who work with lead
brick makers, general labourers
industries where the main product is based on leather or hide
or those that necessitate working in cold, dark, or unpleasant conditions.
This includes night workers generally
and people who work with the dead in any context
whether they support the bereaved
or create products used in the funeral trade.
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I like to bring this picture out now and again
because

it perfectly illustrates
the symmetry in the traditional planetary rulerships.

Notice in the picture, the planets are in descending order
and the signs follow one after the other.

The co-rulerships are symmetrical.








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^ If you take some time to really think about that, it's pretty amazing.

- In general, I have found in personal cases that

people tend to embody their traditional ruling planet
As for Saturn ruling Aquarius, consider these points:

- Aquarius is cold and aloof
- Aquarius is about the community

(community is structured, bound by traditions and regulations)
- Aquarius is opposite Leo, the ego, ruled by the Sun.

Saturn is furthest away from the Sun.
Opposite to ego
(communal again)
- Just like Capricorn expands materially
using Saturn's laws of boundaries and structures
Aquarius does so to but more so with ideas and concepts.
These signs are not stagnating in Saturn
they understand and make use of it
and there is growth happening in their sphere of influence.

- Saturn is exalted in Libra.
Thinking about that for awhile
helps you
to break loose from
the typical doom and gloom associated
with Saturn
and
understand it's rulership over Aquarius.

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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
aka the IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER

In ancient astrology the method
for determining the ruler of the chart was much more complex.

There are references to the MASTER OF THE NATIVITY in many
surviving astrological texts from Hellenistic astrology tradition,
but not many surviving discussions about how to calculate it.

The approach in this lecture is derived from chapter 30
of Porphyry's Introduction to the Tetrabiblos
which is itself derived from
a lost work of definitions by Antiochus of Athens.

How to calculate the predominator (epikratētōr)
the master of the nativity (oikodespotēs geneseōs)
the co-master or joint master of the nativity (sunoikodespotēs)
and the lord of the nativity (kurios).
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the following useful advice is
provided by greybeard

Quote:

HOUSES DO NOT RULE PLANETS.


PLANETS RULE SIGNS

and a sign ruled by a particular planet appears on the cusp of some house.

The planet that rules the sign on the cusp of a house is lord of that house, its ruler.

The ruler of a house has dominion over the affairs of the house
and of any planets found within the boundaries of the sign it rules.

Whether the ruler operates for good or evil depends on its conditioning
for which there are many measurements.

A planet in a house operates most strongly there because directly,
although its behavior is determined by its ruler, even though indirect.
Rather than "ruler"
we might say that the planet ruling the sign on a cusp "disposes" that house
and whatever it contains.

Houses are fixed in relation to Earth.
They are earth-bound, or mundane, and symbolize "surrounding circumstances".

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