Will Trump become the first US Dictator?

leomoon

leomoon

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What did trump learn from Roy Cohn?


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It’s safe to say that Donald Trump learned enough from Roy Cohn to impact his own worldview and personality significantly. To understand Donald, you must understand Roy Cohn.
For those not familiar with Roy Cohn, he rose to infamy during the 1950’s for playing a major role in the Red Scare with Joseph McCarthy. Together the two men destroyed countless lives with fabrications, fear-mongering and aggressive accusations with little to no facts.
After the Red Scare, he went back to New York and began a private law practice. This is where Roy Cohn met the young Donald Trump and showed him the power of publicity and how to manipulate the media. He helped show Donald that any press is good press. Cohn represented Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch as well as countless prominent Mafia and Organized Crime figures.
Cohn is credited with introducing Trump and Murdoch in the 1970s. He also introduced Trump to Roger Stone.
A closeted homosexual with AIDS, Cohn lied about his disease and sexual orientation for years, claiming that he had liver disease.
Roy Cohn’s sad life came full circle in 1986 as he was disbarred from practicing law and later died from his complications from the AIDS virus.
Cohn lived his life according to 3 major principles:

  • Never settle, never surrender.
  • Attack, Attack, Attack, Counter-attack.
  • No matter how deep you get into the muck, always claim victory and never admit defeat.
These three principles can be seen pretty clearly throughout both men’s lives. Trump’s current words and actions speak volumes to how this advice has stuck with him since the 1970s and it has never been more evident than today.
The thing that confuses me most, is that Donald Trump saw how these principles impacted Roy Cohn’s legacy and how he ultimately ended up disbarred, disgraced and dead, yet somehow he continues to stick by them.
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David W. Rudlin
Novelist, corporate poo bah, foodaholic, political junkie.
Answered December 11, 2018

Attack, attack, attack.
It all boils down to that.
Thus:

  • Never admit error.
  • Never apologize.
  • If you can’t attack the facts, attack the person presenting them.
Trump’s own take: “You just tell them and they believe you.”
He’s almost a parody of the Roy Cohn philosophy. And as long as you don’t care about the law, morality or human decency, it’s a sadly effective approach to life.
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https://www.quora.com/What-did-Donald-Trump-learn-from-Roy-Cohn




For those who don't know about "The Red Scare" others mentioned Senator Joe McCarthy who behaved similarly to Trump.
There was a movie made about him and Joe McCarthy who destroyed people's lives - many of them famous people.


He was a BULLY too, and "Opportunist" as they now call him. trump will go down in the same history....as McCarthy



https://www.imdb.com/video/vi2499780121?playlistId=tt1783393&ref_=tt_ov_vi
 
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leomoon

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Los Angeles Times: Column: Trump is following the reelection playbook of Richard Nixon and Joe McCarthy



https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-07-02/donald-trump-richard-nixon-joe-mccarthy-role-models


it is increasingly clear that President Trump is modeling himself on two effective but discredited American politicians: Richard Nixon and Joseph McCarthy.



McCarthy manipulated public fear opportunistically, stoking dread of a “Red Menace” to transform himself from an obscure Midwestern Republican politician into a figure of national prominence. A heavy drinker with thinning, slicked-back hair, he rose to instant fame with a speech in Wheeling, W.Va., in 1950, in which he claimed to hold in his hand a list of 205 communists working in the State Department. Like Trump saying without evidence that Joe Biden has dementia or that Barack Obama is guilty of treason, McCarthy offered little proof to back his hyped and embellished accusations of disloyalty.
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McCarthy also insisted that the Democrats were protecting and enabling these dangerous subversives. Sound familiar? He trafficked in conspiracy theories, just as Trump does when he says that left-wing mobs are preparing to tear down statues of Jesus or that there is a “deep state” of career government officials conspiring to undermine his administration.
The descriptions below sound eerily Trumpian:
McCarthy “was not ... a true believer,” wrote historian Arthur Schlesinger.



“He was not a man of principle. He had no great program to offer; indeed he was conspicuously uninterested in the social and economic problems of his time. His ambition ... was to be in the headlines. He was an alley fighter who relished confusion and trouble and tumult.”
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Remember too, Trump's pal (so much so, he pardoned him before the trial was over) -was also the architect of the Trump presidency, Roger Stone who ALSO worked with Richard Nixon



Trump, at the end of the day, is more irresponsible and dishonest than either Nixon or McCarthy. But he learned from their examples. He knows they reaped rewards for warning of anarchy, mob rule, disloyalty and subversion. He understands that fear is an effective tool for winning votes.
 
CapAquaPis

CapAquaPis

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Pray for the health and life of Donald Trump and his wife Melania, despite I don't like his presidential career and his effect on national politics. If he dies, VP Mike Pence is president and the new VP is Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat instead of a Republican. We could cancel the presidential election for another year (Nov 2, 2021) and the SCOTUS with a new conservative appointee doesn't have to review an all-mail ballot election meant to keep all voters safe in a pandemic.
 
CapAquaPis

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leomoon said:
A Democratic ruled Majority Senate & Congress can indict him. But then, they'd need an investigation on HIM first. :sideways:

Pelosi however, is not big on such maneuvers. Its called revenge. Catholics don't normally like revenge if they were born between the 40s-50s I think. Except it Scorpio Sun or Moon perhaps, and even Rising ASC :wink:
Seems to me that if I or Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi wants to stop being called "fallen away Catholics" they should check out the Episcopalian churches. They are much like the Catholic church in their liturgy, but far more liberal. (i.e. Gays, divorce, women as deacons. ) much nicer with less man-made rules I found. Remember Joe Biden wrote himself a note (I think he has Scorpio Rising) to remind himself not to seek revenge concerning Kamala Harris. Sounds like his wife reminded him. The note was caught by a photographer.


correction: Joe Biden Sun, Mars, Mercury & Venus all in Scorpio.
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In 1960, many Catholics and white Europeans whose ancestors didn't come from the Mayflower felt John F Kennedy will complete their 100 previous years of assimilation, integration and social acceptance in the "WASP" majority or is dominated by Protestantism and the English language. But, the election of Barack Obama should represent a post-racial society for Blacks/African-Americans and anyone of color the same way, but it's taking too long and a total of 400 years (that's the entire US history) to achieve the same level of tolerance, equality and respect by the white, Euro, Anglo or Caucasian majority.
 
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mrastro

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Trump seems to be switching to dictator mode after election loss. I think Trump will become President for life if Joe Biden is not inaugurated as president in January.
 
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ElenaJ

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mrastro said:
Trump seems to be switching to dictator mode after election loss. I think Trump will become President for life if Joe Biden is not inaugurated as president in January.
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The law and constitution are being followed.
There are so many instances of fraud being reported, don't you want to get to the bottom of it?
And then we'll see who is the winner. But it's too early to tell now.
 
CapAquaPis

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Trump is a dictator, except when it comes to stop a national health emergency (covid), but the way he handled his presidential re-election losses is unusual.

The US had limited its constitution we hold sacred a few times in history:
* American Revolution (1776-83) involved a war against the British.
* War of 1812/British invasion/storming of Washington DC.
* The Civil War (early half of 1860s) for the union and then Reconstruction (1865-76) for the occupied then reunified southern states.
* WW1 (1917-18) followed by the Spanish flu done by local, county and state authorities (1918-19).
* WW2 (1941-45), the West coast under invasion watch.
* Cuban missile crisis (Oct 1962) when Florida was under invasion watch.
* After the OKC federal building bombing (Apr 1995) to have feds crack down on militia groups.
* Post 9/11 (2001) and the war on terror.
And times of natural disasters (the Hurricane Katrina flood in New Orleans in Aug 2005), civil unrest (the Apr 1992 LA riots-city put under martial law) and economic crisis (Mar 1933 in the Great Depression was when the feds under FDR overstepped their bounds, 2009 was a concern of similar instances when we had the Great Recession).
This would be the 13th time (scary number) for the US to curb its freedoms and liberties to keep our population safe and healthy, this time from a pandemic.
 
JUPITERASC

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Kintpuash

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The worst dictator in US was Bill Clinton, in my opinion. He had a a very nebulos way of dictating when he signed the Nafta agreement and a swarm of countries got to take grabs at America, like the bird who chipped at the kidney. He did it with willful charm as I remember and Al Gore, his scout - was out in the foreign countries looking at trade swaps from American industry and labor for internet technology. "the information superhighway is the next big deal maker."



Our country buys food and guns on the internet as well - seeds and ammunition, from around the world.



China helped make poor people in America poorer and rich people in America richer under the dicator Clinton. His wife thought she was Evita, but she wasn't. So here we are today.
 
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ElenaJ

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Kintpuash, you left out their major achievement.
They forced the banks to give mortgages to any and all, in spite of them having no income, no money, no prospects, and set the stage for the economic mortgage collapse that happened when the house of cards fell.
 
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david starling

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Kintpuash said:
The worst dictator in US was Bill Clinton, in my opinion. He had a a very nebulos way of dictating when he signed the Nafta agreement and a swarm of countries got to take grabs at America, like the bird who chipped at the kidney. He did it with willful charm as I remember and Al Gore, his scout - was out in the foreign countries looking at trade swaps from American industry and labor for internet technology. "the information superhighway is the next big deal maker."



Our country buys food and guns on the internet as well - seeds and ammunition, from around the world.



China helped make poor people in America poorer and rich people in America richer under the dicator Clinton. His wife thought she was Evita, but she wasn't. So here we are today.
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A "dictator" cannot be voted out of office. This thread was created out of concern that Trump wouldn't agree to a peaceful transition if he lost the Election, which is almost certainly the case. Clinton was not a dictator because he left office peacefully.

All of these "bombshell" revelations claiming Election violations have been total duds so far.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
A "dictator" cannot be voted out of office. This thread was created out of concern that Trump wouldn't agree to a peaceful transition if he lost the Election, which is almost certainly the case. Clinton was not a dictator because he left office peacefully.

All of these "bombshell" revelations claiming Election violations have been total duds so far.
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STUNNING EVIDENCE May OVERTURN Election
as NV TOSSES 153K Ballots and Trump Gains in GA!!! :smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgm_SJNNG-E






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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Kintpuash said:
The worst dictator in US was Bill Clinton, in my opinion. He had a a very nebulos way of dictating when he signed the Nafta agreement and a swarm of countries got to take grabs at America, like the bird who chipped at the kidney. He did it with willful charm as I remember and Al Gore, his scout - was out in the foreign countries looking at trade swaps from American industry and labor for internet technology. "the information superhighway is the next big deal maker."

Our country buys food and guns on the internet as well - seeds and ammunition, from around the world.

China helped make poor people in America poorer and rich people in America richer under the dicator Clinton. His wife thought she was Evita, but she wasn't. So here we are today.
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CapAquaPis

CapAquaPis

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Trump wants to "Liberate California" from the revised and restored stay-at-home order plus a partial statewide curfew for 48 counties in the purple and 10 counties in the red including San Francisco despite the lowest daily infection rates will adhere to a nightly (non-essential) business curfew from 10pm-6am.
 
CapAquaPis

CapAquaPis

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Meanwhile in Georgia, Biden continues to lead in the state's election recount. This will be taken to the US Supreme Court later before Thanksgiving. And what would happen will determine who is the next (46th) president of the USA.
 
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