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HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY


"It's a good thing" for any planet that is of the sect in favor



If a planet is not of the sect in favor
then
it is the wrong time of day for the planet.


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

is not of the sect in favor in NIGHT charts


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SATURN SOLE DOICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
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MORE INFO ON DELINEATING
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS et al
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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
remains in each sign

for
approximately

TWO AND ONE HALF YEARS
dependent on whether retrograde or direct


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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
Judith Hill on Traditional Astrology

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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
and WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
Joseph Crane author of "A Practical Guide to Traditional Astrology"

shares with us his journey
through using house systems
then using no houses at all
and ultimately why he switched to Whole Sign Houses
and why you should do the same.

This conversation is timely, necessary
and brings up challenging considerations
but it also contains a rich and futuristic vision
of what Astrology can be
and
where we are going as a community
and
Why You should Switch to Whole Sign Houses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAcw56uvOgA


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with the exception of the two luminaries Sun and Moon
the remaining five classical planets

traditionally have dual rulerships

Diurnal, Masculine
and
Nocturnal, Feminine domiciles.


and so

SATURN - Aquarius - Diurnal and Masculine

SATURN - Capricorn - Nocturnal and Feminine.


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THEMA MUNDI in Hellenistic astrology
illustrates positions of the seven visible classical planets
at the beginning of the universe
tsmall commented that
if you look at the Thema Mundi 4th house
Libra
is ruled by Venus
one of the traditional significations of the mother
also Libra is the exaltation of SATURN.
SATURN (the father) has natural affinity with 4th
and
is exalted by Venus
in the house that signifies "home/roots"
also gives us Saturn's affiliation with death
as the 4th represents death among other significations

Thema Mundi literally a teaching tool for astrologers.
as an illustration of reasons for the domicile rulers
the exaltations, the planetary joys
the nature of the aspects, sect


Douglas Noblehorse article extract
....The Thema Mundi is a Hellenistic Era Natural Wheel
that illustrates fundamental astrological principles.
In addition, it reveals the inner geometrical elegance
that gives these fundamentals their meaning and definition...."

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Hey, JA.
Thank you for this; very interesting and informative.
I wonder what your thoughts are, how you might reconcile Deborah Houlding's comments below about the significator of the mother/father with what you have written?

Is it perhaps that you are describing the 4th as partaking of the parents, and thus, mother and father?
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THEMA MUNDI in Hellenistic astrology
illustrates positions of the seven visible classical planets
at the beginning of the universe
tsmall commented that
if you look at the Thema Mundi 4th house
Libra
is ruled by Venus
one of the traditional significations of the mother
4th house is "Everything that relates to the foundation and roots of our existence. Parents in general and fathers in particular; grandparents and ancestry. Paternity (inheritance from parents) as well as the psychological parental influence."
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h04.html

10th house is " The desire to achieve and give out to the world - whereas the lower midheaven indicates the roots of our existence from which we emerge, the midheaven indicates that which we manifest outwards into our community and the fruits of our labour. Ancient authors recognised its influence on many matters, including marriage and children. Traditionally it is the house of the mother."
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h10.html

also Libra is the exaltation of SATURN.
SATURN (the father) has natural affinity with 4th
and
is exalted by Venus
in the house that signifies "home/roots"
also gives us Saturn's affiliation with death
as the 4th represents death among other significations
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Hey, JA.
Thank you for this; very interesting and informative.
I wonder what your thoughts are, how you might reconcile Deborah Houlding's comments

below about the significator of the mother/father with what you have written?
Is it perhaps that you are describing the 4th

as partaking of the parents, and thus, mother and father?
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THEMA MUNDI in Hellenistic astrology
illustrates positions of the seven visible classical planets
at the beginning of the universe
tsmall commented that
if you look at the Thema Mundi 4th house
Libra
is ruled by Venus
one of the traditional significations of the mother


4th house is "Everything that relates to the foundation and roots of our existence. Parents in general and fathers in particular; grandparents and ancestry. Paternity (inheritance from parents) as well as the psychological parental influence."
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h04.html

10th house is " The desire to achieve and give out to the world - whereas the lower midheaven indicates the roots of our existence from which we emerge, the midheaven indicates that which we manifest outwards into our community and the fruits of our labour. Ancient authors recognised its influence on many matters, including marriage and children. Traditionally it is the house of the mother."
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h10.html




also Libra is the exaltation of SATURN.
SATURN (the father) has natural affinity with 4th
and
is exalted by Venus
in the house that signifies "home/roots"
also gives us Saturn's affiliation with death
as the 4th represents death among other significations

Thema Mundi literally a teaching tool for astrologers.
as an illustration of reasons for the domicile rulers
the exaltations, the planetary joys
the nature of the aspects, sect

Douglas Noblehorse article extract
....The Thema Mundi is a Hellenistic Era Natural Wheel
that illustrates fundamental astrological principles.
In addition, it reveals the inner geometrical elegance
that gives these fundamentals their meaning and definition...."
House significations have morphed over the millennia IleneK
Those comments are relative to HELLENISTIC astrological methology
which predates Deborah Houldings astrological rationale
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Ancient meanings of the houses elegantly combined
fundamental astrological concepts
such as the distinction between day and night
the benefic/malefic nature of the planets
the symbolism of diurnal motion
the rulerships and exaltations in the Thema Mundi
the Joys



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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
aka the IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER

In ancient astrology the method
for determining the ruler of the chart was much more complex.

There are references to the MASTER OF THE NATIVITY in many
surviving astrological texts from Hellenistic astrology tradition,
but not many surviving discussions about how to calculate it.

The approach in this lecture is derived from chapter 30
of Porphyry's Introduction to the Tetrabiblos
which is itself derived from
a lost work of definitions by Antiochus of Athens.

How to calculate the predominator (epikratētōr)
the master of the nativity (oikodespotēs geneseōs)
the co-master or joint master of the nativity (sunoikodespotēs)
and the lord of the nativity (kurios).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo8gXjDEQmM&t=3470s

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PLANETS DIGNIFIED IN AQUARIUS



SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is dignified

not only

by sign
but also

is dignified in diurnal charts

as daytime triplicity ruler.

MERCURY is dignified in nocturnal charts as night-time triplicity ruler.





Planets Debilitated in Aquarius = Sun by DETRIMENT


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THE NATURE of SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is

Masculine, diurnal
cold and dry
melancholic
earthly
malevolent
the Greater Infortune
Author of solitariness
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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

'....Therefore, the nature of Saturn is cold, dry, melancholic
dark, of heavy harshness.

And perhaps he will be cold [and] moist
heavy, of stinking odor
and he is of much eating and true esteem.

And he signifies works of moisture and the cultivation of land
and peasants, and village companions
and the settlement of lands
also buildings and waters and rivers
and the quantities or measures of things
and the divisions of the earth
also affluence and a multitude of assets
and masteries which are done by hand
greed and the greatest poverty and the poor. ....'

The Introductions to Traditional Astrology:
Abu Ma'shar & al-Qabisi from which this passage is extracted,
is available for purchase directly from Ben via his personal website.
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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


'...And he signifies travel by sea
and foreign travel [that is] far away and at great length, and bad.

And cleverness, envy and wits and seductions
and boldness in dangers and impediment, and hesitation
and being singular, and a scarcity of association with men
and pride and magnanimity and bluffing and bragging
and the subjection of men
also the managers of a kingdom
and of every work which comes to be with force and with evil and injuries

and a tendency to anger
even warriors and fettering and prison, also truth in words and esteem
and prudence and understanding
and experience, and offense, and obstinacy
and a multitude of thoughts and a depth of counsel
and insistence
and stubbornness in [his] method....'

Benjamin's Dykes' published work also contains introductions
and footnoted annotations.
For a pdf extract of material from various sections of his text see here.



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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS



'...He does not easily get angry
and if he were angry
he would not be able to rule his own mind.
He wishes good to no one.


And he signifies old men
and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs
and sorrow and the complication of the mind.
And fraud and affliction and difficulty and loss;
also ancestors and what is left behind by the dead
mourning, and being orphaned, and old things.
Even grandfathers and fathers and brothers
and senior people and slaves
and mule drivers and men who are blamed
and robbers and those who dig up graves
and who rob the garments of the dead.



And fitters of leather and those who blame things.
He signifies magicians and masters of discord
and low-class men and eunuchs.
and a scarcity of speaking
and the knowledge of secrets
and one does not know what is in his mind
nor does a wise person make disclosures to him
about every obscure matter
And he signifies austerity and the ascetics of religions....'
[From Gr. Intr. VII.9.1390-1423]
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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

Direction:
All air signs relate to the west.
Aquarius relates to west by north.


Anatomy:
Aquarius governs the shins and ankles
and through its rulership by SATURN
relates generally to the bones, teeth, joints and skeletal structure.

As an air sign
AQUARIUS has some rulership over circulation of the blood
and breath.

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HOW TO DELINEATE SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

When faced with the smorgasbord of tools and techniques
found in Traditional Astrology
the beginner Astrologer often finds themselves asking
that singularly important question: "Where to begin?"
Steven E. Birchfield speaks about how best to orient ourselves
when beginning to read a natal chart traditionally.
There is a vast landscape of tradition, practice, and practicality
which one of the leading luminaries
within the field of Traditional Astrology in the world today
guides us on our journey
towards the heart of a grounded approach to Astrology.
Steven Birchfield on Reading A Natal Chart using Traditional Astrology
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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


The IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER is aka AQUARIUS

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The image of the Water-Pourer
is masculine, diurnal, solid, watery, human, servile, eloquent, semi-infertile, handsome, standing and of the east wind. It indicates inquiries, affairs, crafts, water and property. Depending on the placement of the houseruler, men born under the influence of Aquarius are burdened, envious, lying, occasionally generous because of the uncontrollable flow of the Water-Pourer, craftsmen, public, mystical, youthful, delicate, with beautiful figure and eyes, smooth hair, dizzy, beautiful manners, white, working with hard materials, troubled by athletic training, artisans, wealthy, malicious, haters of their own families, incorrigible, making living by waterside places, betrayers of reputation and truth, accusers, haters of mankind, godless and uncontrollable.

Domicile of Saturn, it controls the lower legs, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system. It causes blindness on account of the water. It is like-empowered with Libra, like-ascending with Pisces and like-engirding with Capricorn, short in the Northern Hemisphere and tall in the Southern Hemisphere. It is wintry, cold and moist for the north, and summery, hot and dry for the south. Aquarius obeys Aries for the north and commands it for the south. Aquarius controls Sauromatica, Oxiana, Sogdiana, Arabia, Azania and Middle Ethiopia. The left hand and the head are rising up to the 7th degree, the body and the right hand up to the 13th, the pitcher up to the 20th, the water up to the 25th, and the falling water up to the 30th.

The first 7 belong to Mercury - mastery, lovers of wisdom
The next 6 belong to Venus - friendships with great women
The next 7 belong to Jupiter - notable, some are winners of games
The next 5 belong to Mars - lawsuits, injuries, some die violent deaths
The final 5 belong to Saturn - education, grief in youth

Shoulders, Left Arm and Cloak - Saturn and Mercury
Thighs - Mercury and moderately Saturn
Water - Saturn and moderately Jupiter


Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars
as made by our predecessors.


Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae: accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri. Retrieved from
https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from
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