I asked if I had covid and I got a late ascendant. Why would this be?

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LittlexxMoon

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Here is the link to the chart: https://ibb.co/jWSTpsf
I was really sick back in March but my doctors never tested me. I ended up being ill for months and seem to be a long hauler but I was never officially diagnosed because there weren’t any tests available in my city when the outbreak first happened. There’s no way I’ll ever know so I decided to give it a shot and ask horary because it’s the only chance I have to find an answer. The chart gave me a late ascendant and I’m confused as to why this would be.
 
Carmaela26

Carmaela26

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Hello,

I'm a little confused by your question. Can you clarify? The chart does not appear to have a "late" ascendant. It appears to be whole house.

From what I understand, in horary astrology, a chart is based off of the time the question is heard by the one casting the chart, and it isn't a chart based off of you, natally.

Does that makes sense?

Did the person who cast the chart give you any more insight?
 
waybread

waybread

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You have a late degree rising at 27o51' of Gemini. The chart is not in whole signs or equal house, as the cusp degrees are different.

Your question seems reasonable to me, so there are a few possible explanations.

1. The chart was not cast for the time the question first became really important to you. Possibly it's been on your mind for much longer.

2. You actually know the answer to the question. There are asymptomatic patients, but possibly if you didn't lose your sense of smell or have difficulty breathing, and there were no diagnosed covid cases back then where you live, you're probably a negative.

Possibly you could now get tested for antibodies.

3. The situation is likely to change (indicated by the ascendant ready to move into the next sign.)

4. Somehow this isn't a serious question for you.

If I read the chart as given, you're indicated by Mercury, your 6th house of health is ruled by Mars (traditional ruler of Scorpio.)

Mars is actually looking healthy: domiciled in Aries in the 11th house. Mercury in Scorpio is in its own terms. The moon is exalted in Taurus.

J. Lee Lehman looks at planets, if any "at the bendings," meaning forming a square with a nodal axis, and somewhat misfortunate. Neptune is in this position. Neptune is the modern ruler of illnesses that are difficult to diagnose.

So I can believe that you got good and sick last spring (and hopefully are better now) but possibly the chart is simply saying that it doesn't have an answer.

Carmaela, a lot of older horary books do time a question for when the astrologer got what it was. This might stem from the days when any query not made in person would travel by mail and it was hard to pinpoint exactly when a question became a burning issue for the querent.
 
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LittlexxMoon

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waybread said:
You have a late degree rising at 27o51' of Gemini. The chart is not in whole signs or equal house, as the cusp degrees are different.

Your question seems reasonable to me, so there are a few possible explanations.

1. The chart was not cast for the time the question first became really important to you. Possibly it's been on your mind for much longer.

2. You actually know the answer to the question. There are asymptomatic patients, but possibly if you didn't lose your sense of smell or have difficulty breathing, and there were no diagnosed covid cases back then where you live, you're probably a negative.

Possibly you could now get tested for antibodies.

3. The situation is likely to change (indicated by the ascendant ready to move into the next sign.)

4. Somehow this isn't a serious question for you.

If I read the chart as given, you're indicated by Mercury, your 6th house of health is ruled by Mars (traditional ruler of Scorpio.)

Mars is actually looking healthy: domiciled in Aries in the 11th house. Mercury in Scorpio is in its own terms. The moon is exalted in Taurus.

J. Lee Lehman looks at planets, if any "at the bendings," meaning forming a square with a nodal axis, and somewhat misfortunate. Neptune is in this position. Neptune is the modern ruler of illnesses that are difficult to diagnose.

So I can believe that you got good and sick last spring (and hopefully are better now) but possibly the chart is simply saying that it doesn't have an answer.

Carmaela, a lot of older horary books do time a question for when the astrologer got what it was. This might stem from the days when any query not made in person would travel by mail and it was hard to pinpoint exactly when a question became a burning issue for the querent.
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Thank you for the response. I had all covid symptoms. Difficulty breathing, GI issues, fever, swollen lymph nodes, etc. For several months I thought I was going to die. I felt like I was going to stop breathing and it was the most frightening thing I ever experienced in my life. I have been diagnosed with PTSD since then due to this. They only tested me for the flu, as there were no other tests available where I was at the time even though there was covid in my area. I haven’t fully healed yet. I am about 80% recovered now. My doctor says antibodies would not show now since it has been so long. They believed it was just the flu at first but now they say they don’t really see complications like this from the flu. They believe I had possibly battled both but cannot say for sure. They say it is unfortunate that I was not able to get tested and wasn’t given an antibody test by my specialist, as if I did somehow get this sick from the flu (which they think would be rare), I have to be extremely careful to not catch covid.... which I am doing already. I suppose I am looking for a peace of mind, as having it already would mean my immune system would likely respond better if I were to get it again. I am living in a lot of fear and I am so upset that my doctors continued to refuse the antibody test in the first couple months. The question lied in my mind for months and months, but I did not even know about horary then.
 
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LittlexxMoon

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passiflora said:
Whatever you had, sounds like it is well represented by POF of this chart sandwiched between Pluto and Jupiter in 8th.
Was the question “Do I have Covid now?”
If so - later Asc could mean you did but no longer do.
Like it could be a post-covid multi-organ-system inflammatory syndrome.
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The question was “Did I have covid?” Because I feel like I have post covid syndrome... I know I don’t have it now.
 
IleneK

IleneK

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All that I can kluge together about this is:

-Merc last aspected Mars by opposition from Libra at 26 AR-LIB.

-That was 10 degrees from where Mars is now [and 27 deg from where Mer is now].

Last March is also around 10 months ago.
That is as close as I can get to connecting the illness to you.

Maybe it is okay to assume that you did have it, and then care for yourself as best you can guided by that assumption? At this point, perhaps that may be all to do?
I am very sorry that you have been so frighteningly ill and I hope you continue to regain your health.
 
CapAquaPis

CapAquaPis

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An antibody test can determine within a year if you had (or never had) COVID. Astrology can be useful, but it's not 100% accurate in medical science, but it's what I believe. My Nov. antibody test shown I never had COVID despite a weird cold I had in Jan. (first COVID cases were in CA, but in the Santa Clara-SF Bay area, not in southern half around Coachella-Palm Springs area) and my grocery store had a few cases since Sep. after 6 mos into the pandemic without a case.
 
waybread

waybread

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A late degree rising can mean that the querent already knows the answer. It sounds like you had CV-19 to me!
 
CapAquaPis

CapAquaPis

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I've heard of late degree risings, esp Cancer and Leo (some astrologers claim these are signs of disease) including my half-sister, Donald Trump and a YT astrologer who works in the medical field all had either Leo risings (I think Leo 8th house is another risk factor) or late degree risings all contracted COVID-19 sometime in the year of the pandemic, and depending on their natal charts are at risk of catching COVID-19 or some sort of serious disease in their lives.
 
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LittlexxMoon

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CapAquaPis said:
I've heard of late degree risings, esp Cancer and Leo (some astrologers claim these are signs of disease) including my half-sister, Donald Trump and a YT astrologer who works in the medical field all had either Leo risings (I think Leo 8th house is another risk factor) or late degree risings all contracted COVID-19 sometime in the year of the pandemic, and depending on their natal charts are at risk of catching COVID-19 or some sort of serious disease in their lives.
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This is interesting. I’m a 10° cancer rising and I have 3 personal planets including my sun in Leo. I’m still struggling with odd health issues but I think I’m out of the woods.
 
IleneK

IleneK

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LittlexxMoon said:
I already have and unfortunately antibodies do not show up for most nearly a year after having it.
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Not so. Rather, antibodies are present for a year or so after you had covid. They are there while you have the disease and after. Then they may be lost and so you can become infected again after that occurs.
 
CapAquaPis

CapAquaPis

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LittlexxMoon said:
This is interesting. I’m a 10° cancer rising and I have 3 personal planets including my sun in Leo. I’m still struggling with odd health issues but I think I’m out of the woods.
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6th, 8th and 10th Leos in houses attributed to disease and illness. I have a 17' Cancer ascendant though. In the past 3 days, the sun and moon conjunct in Capricorn, now the moon conjunct Jupiter and Saturn. I might had a lung infection in Jan 2020, but I got tested due to recent cold/flu symptoms to exhibit a more likelihood of covid, and I await the results.
 
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