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saturn is the furthest traditional planet from the sun.

.....the sun rules leo.

saturn rules aquarius because it's furthest from the sun,
and
the coldest planet.
aquarius is rigid, cold, dogmatic, impersonal
- that seems to fit saturnian energy pretty well.

saturn diametrically opposes the sun,
which also makes sense here.
that's the actual why in trad astrology.

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MORE INFO ON DELINEATING
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Ancient meanings of the houses elegantly combined
fundamental astrological concepts
such as the distinction between day and night
the benefic/malefic nature of the planets
the symbolism of diurnal motion
the rulerships and exaltations in the Thema Mundi
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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


'...And he signifies travel by sea
and foreign travel [that is] far away and at great length, and bad.

And cleverness, envy and wits and seductions
and boldness in dangers and impediment, and hesitation
and being singular, and a scarcity of association with men
and pride and magnanimity and bluffing and bragging
and the subjection of men
also the managers of a kingdom
and of every work which comes to be with force and with evil and injuries

and a tendency to anger
even warriors and fettering and prison, also truth in words and esteem
and prudence and understanding
and experience, and offense, and obstinacy
and a multitude of thoughts and a depth of counsel
and insistence
and stubbornness in [his] method....'

Benjamin's Dykes' published work also contains introductions
and footnoted annotations.
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Much of Saturn's astrological interpretation can be traced
to its astronomical appearance and movement
As the outermost planet
extremes and boundaries of any kind fall under its influence
from mundane significations
ranging from gateposts, doors
thresholds and walls
international borders
skins
leather
teeth, bones, nails and hair
to the signification of personal limits imposed by fear, self-doubt
weakness
and lack of resource.
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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/

SATURN wishes good to no one
And he signifies old men and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs and sorrow
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positive characteristics of the Saturnian type
may be termed the good old-fashioned values

courtesy
decorum
and propriety.

Strong Saturnian types exude gravitas and take life seriously


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SATURN in physical description
is described as 'cold and dry'
This points to little flesh on the bones, small eyes
no alluring softness in curves and dimples
the hair is not soft, shiny and bouncy
but sparse and tends towards being lacklustre, pale or dull.
The body is generally thin and angular
with prominent bone structure
but sometimes it may incline towards excess fat, due to a weak, lethargic constitution.
The countenance is downward looking
and there is often an awkward gait, a slow, hesitant movement
with little trace of a spring in the step
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Benefic and MALEFIC PLANETS in Western Astrology
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Jupiter and SATURN were called by astrologers of old
the "Great Chronocrators".
For millennia
the alignment of these two planets
has been regarded
as a significator of great social
economic
and
political watersheds - historic turning points, if you will.
hence
referred to as
"The Great Conjunction"
clearly then
Juiter Saturn conjunctions have been charted for millenia
by MUNDANE ASTROLOGERS


Jupiter's alignment with SATURN
occurs at intervals of just under 20 years
The aspect is occasionally repeated due to a retrograde
of one or both planets.
Each successive conjunction
not counting retrograde repeats
occurs at a mean advance of
approximately 243 degrees relative to its predecessor
although from one alignment to the next
this arc can vary considerably.

Every third conjunction
i.e.
once every 60 years
brings the alignment back
to its starting place, plus around 9 degrees:
this 60 year cycle is termed
FIRST ORDER RECURRENCE of the conjunction.

Every 40th conjunction - roughly once every 800 years -
brings the alignment back to within about 1 degree of its starting place:
this approximate 800 year cycle is termed SECOND ORDER RECURRENCE
aka GREAT MUTATION CYCLE



Jupiter and SATURN may both be regarded as generational planets
Jupiter takes 12 years to orbit Sun
and
Saturn takes 30 years to orbit Sun
- additionally, during their respective orbits of the Sun
Jupiter and Saturn are in conjunction only approximately every 20 years.

These specific spans of time

chime well with the accepted idea of “a generation”
being the span of time necessary before human beings are physically able
to produce a child of their own
in human terms, 'a generation' can be a variable
- that's because some produce offspring very early
and in many 'eastern' countries before their teens.

However, in 'the west' there is a tendency to initially focus on 'career'
before then producing offspring later in the 30's.
The middle ground would be those producing offspring in their 20's.
Based on those rather "rough and ready" spans of time then:

(1) A twelve year Jupiter orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at an age considered in 'the west'
very young - i.e. 12

(2) A thirty year Saturn orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at what is considered in 'the west'
to be a 'more responsible age' - i.e. 30

(3) A combination of the two planets in regular 20 year Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions

then represent the 'middle-ground' - i.e. 19/20

USUALLY a generation
averages about 25 years from the birth of a parent to the birth of a child
- although it varies case by case
it is generally accepted that the length of a generation
was closer to 20 years in earlier times
when humans mated younger
and life expectancies were shorter











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for beginners to traditional astrology

the title of this thread is

SATURN is sole DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS
do not be misled by the following comment on another thread:

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There is this idea in traditional astrology that the Sun rules the solar half of the zodiac, and the Moon rules the lunar half. They split the cosmos ruling as king and queen. The Sun in the solar half can never be peregrine. The Moon in the lunar half can never be peregrine.

The brilliance and influence of the luminaries overpowers even all of the other planets combined.

Guess which side Aquarius is on?


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Saturn rules Aquarius because in ancient times

Saturn was the boundary between the real world
and the world of spirits.
Saturn was the only planet with rings
and these rings gave Saturn a portal to the higher realms.
For this reason Saturn ruled all forms of magic
and ruled the transition from mortal to immortal life.

The ring system was described as "the ring pass, not pass "
dividing line between the spirit world and the real world.
As such the attributes we give Aquarius
were in the domain of Saturn.

Saturn is the adept, those who know how to manipulate the
highest planes of existence.
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As I said, Saturn was historically
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I'm getting ready for my Saturn return (Aquarius 7H) in the next few days...
Any advice?

This thread is on our Traditional board
and I notice you are new to our forum - welcome!
and so
do read the rules of our traditional board
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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
remains in each sign

for
approximately

TWO AND ONE HALF YEARS
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HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY


"It's a good thing" for any planet that is of the sect in favor



If a planet is not of the sect in favor
then
it is the wrong time of day for the planet.


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

is not of the sect in favor in NIGHT charts



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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

'....Therefore, the nature of Saturn is cold, dry, melancholic
dark, of heavy harshness.

And perhaps he will be cold [and] moist
heavy, of stinking odor
and he is of much eating and true esteem.

And he signifies works of moisture and the cultivation of land
and peasants, and village companions
and the settlement of lands
also buildings and waters and rivers
and the quantities or measures of things
and the divisions of the earth
also affluence and a multitude of assets
and masteries which are done by hand
greed and the greatest poverty and the poor. ....'

The Introductions to Traditional Astrology:
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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
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SATURN signifies also buildings and waters and rivers
and the quantities or measures of things, and the divisions of the earth
also affluence and a multitude of assets, and masteries which are done by hand
greed and the greatest poverty and the poor.

And he signifies travel by sea, and foreign travel
[that is] far away and at great length, and bad.

And cleverness, envy and wits and seductions, and boldness in dangers
and impediment, and hesitation, and being singular
and a scarcity of association with men, and pride and magnanimity
and bluffing and bragging and the subjection of men
also the managers of a kingdom
and of every work which comes to be with force and with evil and injuries
and a tendency to anger, even warriors and fettering and prison,
also truth in words, and esteem, and prudence and understanding,
and experience, and offense, and obstinacy
and a multitude of thoughts and a depth of counsel
and insistence, and stubbornness in [his] method.











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Traditional Rulerships


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

Direction:
All air signs relate to the west.
Aquarius relates to west by north.


Anatomy:
Aquarius governs the shins and ankles
and through its rulership by SATURN
relates generally to the bones, teeth, joints and skeletal structure.

As an air sign
AQUARIUS has some rulership over circulation of the blood
and breath.




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SATURN depicts someone who is characterised by
austerity or seriousness.
If Saturn is dignified and well placed, they are inclined to think before they speak
and as a consequence their words carry weight.
Such a person is not to be lightly dismissed
Lilly describes Saturnine types as profound in imagination, severe in acts,
in labour patient, in arguing or disputing grave
in obtaining the goods of this life studious and solicitous.
Their sense of humour is dry and earthy
based on observing the reality of life
They seldom throw caution to the wind
and are always aware of a sense of responsibility to themselves and others.
They do not display their emotions easily
but their emotions, like their imaginations, can be profound.
Such individuals are observably deep, sincere
and generally gather respect.
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'....SATURN signifies fraud
and affliction and difficulty and loss
also ancestors and what is left behind by the dead, mourning
and being orphaned, and old things.....'
Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
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