young woman diagnosed terminal

This woman is a friend of my sisters via social networking. So this chart analysis is solely for research interpretation. At the least, an interesting study or exercise, considering there is no actual proof that this woman is telling the truth. But there is no indication that it is false, either.

General information:
10 Jan 1993 10:00 (am) London, ENG 0w10, 51n30

Personal information:
Cancer of the liver and stomach
recently (w/in 3 wks of 3/5) informed that the cancer has spread to her lungs. **She is seeking a second opinion.
She's had chemo and radiation
Diagnosed approx 3 yrs ago
parents died in car accident 2 yrs ago
brother died in Iraq since then
told a week ago Mar 5 that she has 4-6 wks to live
as of 3/5-6 her health has been declining rapidly.

the dates are vague but the info was collected conversationally. She knows her chart is being viewed and she gave permission, but still don't have anymore specifics, details.

So, like previously stated, this is for study and not to be taken too seriously. (not that the circumstances aren't serious. She's so sick and so young. Truly a tragic family) - but the chart analysis is purely for educational purposes.
I've started by looking at the natal, progressed, solar arc, and progressed moon charts. I've only attached the natal.
Hope that anyone interested in medical astrology will join in the interpretation.

Hello -

I am least skilled in medical astrology - but my interest in it is strong. The moon-chiron in 6th opposing saturn in 12th is what i'm seeing first.

Saturn in 12th ruling the 11th house with many planets contained and opposing Mars in 5th house.

I suppose there could be many junctures as to this opposition, but it seems to me that Mars - fight / Sun - life force - has been restricted by 11th house matters - groups associations - higher ideals of wanting to be part of something bigger - but mars in 5th and venus on asc - it might be that she can only feel big being at odds with others - her beauty/magnitism setting her apart. An absence of connectivity to her own life force and vitality, maybe?

On the same token - 11th house capricorn stellium opposing mars in 5th and Mars ruled by moon which is in 6th - it could be that she finds value in herself from the concern of others in groups or cliques or such. Saturn is not beyond yielding sympathy quietly from 12th house placement in very strategic or controlling ways.

As for the tragedy of parents and brother along with this - I can't say for sure - but Pluto in 8th squaring Moon Chiron and Saturn in 6,8,12 of natal chart indicates to me tragic losses of others that affect a person physically and emotionally. .

Either this is a chart of one who has given up or a chart of someone who is manipulating her own weaknesses to gain attention.

Not sure .

There is a preponderance of planets in cardinal quadrants, which relate to cardinal type illnesses that effect, for example the head, breasts, stomach, kidneys, skin & bones

Stellium on cardinal cross: sun conjunct mer, ura, neptune (chart ruler) all in cap. ruled by sat

nat sat semisextile sun, opp moon, quincunx mars, semisextile ura & nep, square plu and opp chiron.
only soft asp sat is making is trine to jup and sextile to mc

jup is square sun, mer, mars, ura & nep (jupiter is related to problems with function of liver)

aspects to chart ruler (nep) effect physical body

nep cunjunct ura <1deg approaching, semisextile mc & sat, square jup, opposed mars, conjunct mer, semisextile moon and conjunct sun

some of the asp listed may be redundant.

while this is just from the natal chart alone, I know when interpreting transits to natal, combinations of sat to mar or sat to nep, usually indicate a health crisis. Since nep & sat are such strong planets in this chart, I decided it was worth considering here.

Metaphysica said:

There is a preponderance of planets in cardinal quadrants, which relate to cardinal type illnesses that effect, for example the head, breasts, stomach, kidneys, skin & bones

Stellium on cardinal cross: sun conjunct mer, ura, neptune (chart ruler) all in cap. ruled by sat

nat sat semisextile sun, opp moon, quincunx mars, semisextile ura & nep, square plu and opp chiron.
only soft asp sat is making is trine to jup and sextile to mc

jup is square sun, mer, mars, ura & nep (jupiter is related to problems with function of liver)

aspects to chart ruler (nep) effect physical body

nep cunjunct ura <1deg approaching, semisextile mc & sat, square jup, opposed mars, conjunct mer, semisextile moon and conjunct sun

some of the asp listed may be redundant.

while this is just from the natal chart alone, I know when interpreting transits to natal, combinations of sat to mar or sat to nep, usually indicate a health crisis. Since nep & sat are such strong planets in this chart, I decided it was worth considering here.

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Neptune Mars aspects are the classic example of subterfuge of physical ailments in a chart -

One's mercury or moon in natal aspects might determine how it is manifested in dark or light. Sun is vibrancy - shining light on the illness. Again - from my perspective - Saturn Neptune or 12th is not above concealing for purposes unknown.

What DO YOU THINK about this woman's illness/terminal condition as you understand it? You wouldn't have mentioned it might be hypothetical or non-existent becuase you don't know - but what prompted you to ask?

Is this your sister's, her friend's issue or your own interest in astrology?

My curiosity.

Moon originates EVERY astrological question that was originated and Moon of person asking has everything to do with the answer and how it's received.

God bless the traditionalists for that nugget, right?

I very much enjoy your response, but your question is still uncertain to me.

Hi,
There is one point the individual mentioned that does not seem to fit and that is that she has mentioned radiation and chemo. treatment.

A dear friend has recently undergone chemo. treatment. When I asked her why she didn't choose for radiation treatment ( as did my husband), she said that this wasn't possible because the cancer could not be pinpointed to one place and could spread. Radiation is only possible when the tumour is contained. Thankfully this was so in my husband's case.
As I have been given to understand it, it is a case of either/or and not and/and.

In her research on cancer, Medical astrologer Ingrid Naiman said during a seminar that Mars-Uranus have strong links to the disease. There is a T-square between Mars-Jupiter-Uranus in the chart. I would personally treat Jupiter , associated with growths and swellings, as ruler of the Ascending sign, through Moon influences. Neptune is more Sun psyche related.
Cancer can find an association with Moon and Pluto through which 'feelings can eat away inside'. There is a Moon-Saturn-Pluto T-square. With a birth before 10 a.m., Moon rulers the 6th house of physical disorders.

Jupiter and Saturn are well aspected to each other which would not seem to correlate with and pinpoint to a malignant(Saturn) growth(Jupiter) that could be treated through radiation(Uranus-ruled) in one place.
Saturn does form an inconjunct (stress) aspect with Mars (cells)in Cancer that is on the Ebertin degree for the pancreatic region. Fluidity throughout the body cannot be contained. It is through this aspect that the two separate T-squares are joined.

Pisces Ascendant is often suggestive of a weak constitution. There is a Sun-Neptune conjunction, which could also suggest a weakness of the heart (chronic in Capricorn). There is a Moon quincunx/inconjunct Sun-Neptune. With the Leo-Aquarius axis (heart-spine)also involved with the 6th house, a heart disorder could be just as suggestive as cancer.
Possibly one creates the other.

The lungs are ruled by Mercury, that is also part of the large stellium in Capricorn and T-square.

The disorder can find a correlation with planetary alignment. You query whether it is true.
Mercury-Sun-Neptune to Jupiter could imply a 'dis-ease of spirit' that can tell whoppers in playing the victim in order (**)to gain attention (Chiron in Leo psychic wound) not found in other ways.
There is a MEAN Black Moon Lilith in the Ascendant. Its position in Pisces has been observed to relate to an ease in playing a role, a master of disguise in pretence that allows one to escape the reality of life. Its only aspect is to Mercury. At its sincere best the same position can communicate a sympathy in feelings towards the sufferings of mankind, or be the receiver of it.

My ½ cent worth.

** also mentioned by Kitchy.

I crave any reason to look at a chart -- albeit, I took an almost 2 year hiatus to have my daughter--
My sister plays a casino app/game that is a large part 'global social network'. She likes to bring me birth data sometimes, for misc. reasons. Sometimes for compatibility, and sometimes for medical related inquiries -- as she knows I have a special interest in medical and nutritional astrology.

This particular chart is for a girl that my sister speaks of often. She [my sister] shows strong empathy, emotion and genuine interest in her.
Slightly skeptical as to the authenticity of the story, as it is extremely tragic.... and some ppl lie. for profit, fun, or whatever...
However, there are a large number of ppl who play that game specifically for the fact that it's social, as they are unable to live a "normal" life. Most commonly for medical reasons. Stuck in a bed with nothing to do, the game is a great way to connect with other ppl.

My sister actually gave me two charts (both for medical interpretation), and has the same concern for both. This one seemed easier to read. at least at first glance.

thanks for showing interest. It's good to be back among peers.

thanks for the clarification of radiation/chemo. info easily jumbled in transit.
and wouldn't they both still relate to Uranus?

I never study death in astrology because as per my own chart im supposed to be dead already. Death in vedic astrology may mean death of ego .

I use the term "terminal" because that is the professional diagnosis. not necessarily accurate.
I strongly believe you can beat any disease with intention, meditation, exercise and a strict "fruitarian" and water diet, some veggies. and most importantly faith and daily prayer to whatever higher power you believe in.

Metaphysica said:

thanks for the clarification of radiation/chemo. info easily jumbled in transit.
and wouldn't they both still relate to Uranus?

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Radiation is ruled by Uranus,
Chemotherapy is ruled by Neptune.

I notice that this woman's node is at 21sag19 and square the vertex at 21h43. her pluto/sun, pluto/Uranus, pluto/Neptune midpoints are conjunct the north node.
The transiting node was square to pluto/sun midpoint at 22sag32 from jan 25
Pluto/Uranus midpoint at 21sag33 will be squared by the transiting node on april. 9. The pluto/Neptune 21sag48 is currently square the transiting node exactly and the transiting node is forming a rd station at 21vir 47 from mar 7 to mar 25th
the transiting node is moving thru these symbols is currently at 21virgo47.

Pluto rules cancer and the midpoint with Uranus can show a sudden growth. Neptune/pluto can show unexpected growths turning up.
The axis of the node and vertex shows that her condition would likely respond to etheric or spiritual healings right now as Neptune is currently being activated.
With transiting mercury conjunct the transiting node on mar.17. this would be a good day for a spiritual healing, aura cleansing or reiki session. Mercury shows that visualization would be extremely powerful on that day. the sun was conjunct the node yesterday which would have also been a good healing day. you might ask her if she felt anything different yesterday mar 11. But any days in march are favorable as the transiting node has formed a station on the Neptune/pluto midpoint.
I know of a herbal combination that I have seen cure cancer and I have seen auric cleansing that cured inoperable cancer..

rahu

Metaphysica said:

told a week ago Mar 5 that she has 4-6 wks to live
as of 3/5-6 her health has been declining rapidly.

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I'm not skilled in medical astrology, but certainly have an interest in it.

I really couldn't find much from the progressed chart, transits and solar return. I thought at least there would be some major conjunctions between charts, or the degrees on the solar chart would be indicative of a malefic planet or NN being brought to the forefront for the year.

The only thing that is interesting - of note. Is the solar eclipse on March 8th was at 18deg pisces. Conjunct her natal Neptune/Uranus. Neptune is her chart ruler. The upcoming lunar eclipse that will follow will be at 3 degrees Libra. Conjunct her natal Part of Fortune(not exact though). Her solar return has part of fortune at 3 degrees Libra in the 12th house. I'm not seeing much else past that.

I hope she is able to beat this and heal, far to young.

goodness gracious. what's this, pemetrexid $15,000 per shot?

umm, plant the seed. nature grows the seed, you eat the seed.

simpson oil.

don't do what your $tupid government says people.

rahu said:

I notice that this woman's node is at 21sag19 and square the vertex at 21h43. her pluto/sun, pluto/Uranus, pluto/Neptune midpoints are conjunct the north node.
The transiting node was square to pluto/sun midpoint at 22sag32 from jan 25
Pluto/Uranus midpoint at 21sag33 will be squared by the transiting node on april. 9. The pluto/Neptune 21sag48 is currently square the transiting node exactly and the transiting node is forming a rd station at 21vir 47 from mar 7 to mar 25th
the transiting node is moving thru these symbols is currently at 21virgo47.

Pluto rules cancer and the midpoint with Uranus can show a sudden growth. Neptune/pluto can show unexpected growths turning up.
The axis of the node and vertex shows that her condition would likely respond to etheric or spiritual healings right now as Neptune is currently being activated.
With transiting mercury conjunct the transiting node on mar.17. this would be a good day for a spiritual healing, aura cleansing or reiki session. Mercury shows that visualization would be extremely powerful on that day. the sun was conjunct the node yesterday which would have also been a good healing day. you might ask her if she felt anything different yesterday mar 11. But any days in march are favorable as the transiting node has formed a station on the Neptune/pluto midpoint.
I know of a herbal combination that I have seen cure cancer and I have seen auric cleansing that cured inoperable cancer..

rahu

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This was very helpful. I will try to get the message to her.
I would be interested to know the recipe for the herbal combination you mentioned. She lives in England, and understand that they have quite a different set of rules for medicine, substances, etc... not sure if she'd be able to acquire, but nevertheless. I hope she'll be receptive to the idea. It seems she's very much alone in this with the doctors.
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i say "simpson oil" only because in such terms, an overwhelming amount of positive testimony can be found.

personally, i am markedly frustrated about the medical industry, as eg. "miraculous" results have been observed in the treatment of tumerous cancers with the blushwood shrub (queensland). yet, the industry requires ten years of tests, ten years in which people who i am positive would be glad to take the risk may otherwise lose their lives.

as mentioned, i recently saw a bill for one chemo session, where single injections were valued at fifteen thousand dollars, for one, nine thousand for another.. my grief and outrage aren't properly expressible.

even with such dire circumstances, the public often dogmatically defends canonical treatment, barking ferociously at any alternative (eating dandelion roots isn't going to make or break anyone..)

anyway... regarding the concoction in question, it is an oil derivation, which takes some preparation. however, the plant in question can be consumed with equal efficacy by simpler methods, and avoiding the possibly undesirable side effects. it may be eaten raw, or the flower tops juiced, or prepared in more palatable fashions (traditional cuisine in some parts of india), as long as the temperature stays under 245f, without other effects.

most people aren't aware that one can simply sow the seed, let it grow, then eat the plant, which is truly remarkable, really. fortunately, in the u.k., seeds can be legally obtained at retailers around the nation.

knowing and seeing all this, yet knowing and seeing all of the other side, and their actions, one simply throws one's hands up. god, why are these people so willing to lose their heritage in such a short time, and to such greivous, despisable effect?

What strikes me is the high number of semi-sextiles and inconjuncts in this chart: 13.
I read someplace that a large number of semi-sextiles and inconjuncts going rampant does accompany a crisis-death of some kind: physical or psychological. Their connection with the Asc could indicate a need for adjustment related to the physical body.

To the experienced members reading this: do you have any info on this, have you read anything about it?

I looked at several progression charts and at least 6 of the above are present at the time of death. What do you think, do you have any links -books?

The chart looks sharp and violent.

Did this young woman survive longer than expected? Did she try any natural remedies - if yes, what worked?