Capricorn Stellium 1988-89 - reach 1st Saturn Return

Kitchy

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"But the integration of these key concepts produces: 1) a practical dreamer; 2) goals with vision; 3) real world accomplishment using one’s creativity; 4) spiritual discipline; 5) dreams and visions are grounded in realistic terms.

At best, Saturn’s contact with Neptune suggests a potential for the Cap Stellium to bring into real world their transcendent vision.


The key challenge in this aspect is to have a practical focus to exercise their idealistic/creative/spiritual energy.

Escaping does not satisfy the Saturn-half, even a creative hobby needs to be challenging. But approached in a disciplined way, the sense of accomplishment is very satisfying....because Saturn won’t like wasting time."

I think this potential you mention of the stellium is best suited and exhibits itself more clearly in the angular houses.

My experience of the stellium is not so rocking as yours though Inline - not in the sense of those in the more static houses of imagination with neptune there - the hook-up coffee blind date culture of the new work place millineums that strengthens business (saw that laugh on the news) by getting employees on blind dates with co-workers, - nor do I see the reluctance to listen to wisdom above the video and you tube training of that Uranus anything goes of the millineum - the 'because it was there and needed to get knocked down"

The stellium responds to authority above all else - the authority of Capricorn & it's ruler Saturn - rule and be miserable or be ruled and miserable. It was brought into knowing by the authority of the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of the early 60's who heralded most of the Saturn Return stellium. The parents who had kids 28 years ago - most in the 60's Jup-Sat Cap domain. The ones born to the Saturn in Aqurius & Pisces parents -that's when Neptune Uranus comes in to the mix of the upbringing. . Donna Cunningham doesn't write about that as much as the future from what I've seen.

The reality of the parents' Saturn has what made the Stellium generation stolid, visionary or compassionate - not the stellium.

Here's the rub - the stellium generation of babies were raised by strict rules, or no rules or loose rules. Saturn Uranus Neptune. The consequences come by Pluto. What they did/do with those rules and how they use them is determined by their moon relationship to those stellium planets - their early upbringing and their response to consquential Pluto.

The power in their own hands is determined by their relationship to their family experience and relationship with mom/moon/parent - the early experience of success and failure of gain, reward or loss.

So, what is the 'transcendent' vision? Is it rising above the obstacles - Saturn? Disregard of social norms that seem stunting - Uranus? or Illusory acceptance of a different reality - Neptune? And where does that Pluto strengthen or destroy?

4 thugs of their own nature coming at the stellium of Past, Present, Future - their instinctual reactions are to what? Accept Reject or Give In?

Saturn - Moon - Pluto relationship determines this.





 
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Dubyadude1986

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Accept Reject or Give In?


Is it possible that instead of either/or it is sequentially in various orders one after the other with the arrangement dependent on the individual chart and life circumstance?

For example, for some "giving in" could certainly be first or last just the same right?

Maybe it's just a question of what order for those three planets as opposed to which one.
 

Inline

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I think this potential you mention of the stellium is best suitedand exhibits itself more clearly in the angular houses.

My experience of the stellium is not so rocking.....

The stellium responds to authority above all else.....rule and be miserable, or be ruled and miserable.


Kitchy,

possibly....but noone will really know until after the Saturn return, and developments for their future become evident.

Thats why i started this thread...to help young Cap gens prepare for the transition.
 
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theoddone

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Kitchy,

possibly....but noone will really know until after the Saturn return, and developments for their future become evident.

Thats why i started this thread...to help young Cap gens prepare for the transition.

What do you think will happen during the transition?
 

Inline

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What do you think will happen during the transition?

To start i look at important incidents happening at the time of the Cap Stellium, the top news stories in 1988-89.
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1989
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(April-May-June) Tens of thousands of Chinese students take over Peking's Tiananmen Square in rally for democracy (April 19). More than one million in Beijing demonstrate for democracy; chaos spreads across nation (mid-May). Thousands killed in Tiananmen Square as Chinese leaders take hard line toward demonstrators (June 4).
(Nov 11) After 28 years, Berlin Wall is open to West
Nobel Peace Prize: Dalai Lama

1988

Benazir Bhutto first Islamic woman prime minister, chosen to lead Pakistan (Dec. 1).
Pan-Am 747 explodes from terrorist bomb and crashes in Lockerbie Scotland, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on ground (Dec. 21).

Republican convention nominates George Bush for President.

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From the information my prediction might be, that in future 'the people' enmasse resisit state controls on personal freedoms and original or new laws develop, perhaps with the Capricorn influence....relating to job or land rights?

These events are not going to happen immediately or even during this Cap Stellium Saturn return, but maybe by the time of the 2nd Saturn return in 30yrs, these changes will have occured.

Link:http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/people/bhutto-benazir.html
 
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Dubyadude1986

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Stuff like Bernie and Trump winning New Hampshire. The declared winners via CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/new-hampshire-primary-live-updates/index.html

I attribute that to this generation almost directly. Astrologically, this only makes sense. The Sanders campaign has just declared that it is a "national campaign."

The beginning of the end of the political establishment. That's only politics and in one country; I want to know what the astrological conditions today look like everywhere else.
 
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Inline

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What do you think will happen during the transition?

Many Cap gens are asking 10th house questions now...but with a difference? Here are some Cap gen appropriate jobs and food for thought.

...if your Stellium's lead planet is Uranus?
Augmented Reality Architect:
Unlike virtual reality, which takes place in a computer-generated environment, augmented reality adds to the real world by enhancing what we see, hear, feel and smell. To have your reality upgraded, you will in future need an augmented reality architect.
Geoengineer:
In the future there’s no need to worry about predicting weather, geoengineers will create it. Climate change becomes redundant when you’ve got geoengineers manipulating Earth’s climatic system to make sure everything’s just as it should be.
Space Psychologist:
the study of how astronauts cope with the conditions of spaceflight and the weightless environmental space. Astronauts' work is very continuous and highly regimented. Space psychologists make recommendations about the best way for astronauts to perform physical and mental work, as well as rest. This profession could become increasingly important as more extended periods of space travel arise.
Data Hostage Negotiator:
Taking data hostage is going to become more appealing for criminals committing crimes in front of computers. And recouvering your data will be easier and essential in future with the help of a data-hostage negotiator, who will then help you sort everything out.

....if your Stellium's lead planet is Neptune?
Amnesia Surgeon:
Scientists are learning more about the brain and how memories are formed and stored. Amnesia surgeons delve deep into our psyche to remove bad memories or destructive behaviours. (They will even be able to tell you exactly what happens between midnight and 3am....on Fridays!)
Fermentation scientist:
Beer, wine, bread, cheese, pickles, yogurt — all foods made by fermentation by which yeast or bacteria to convert sugars to acids, gases or alcohol. Fermentation scientists (zymologists) study how these microorganisms can be used in fermentation processes, like beer brewing.
Avatar relationship Manager:
It’s just a matter of time before avatars make the leap from the computer world to the real world as 3D beings. With all these autonomous avatars out there, it will have to be someone’s job to make sure they don’t get themselves into trouble...those people will be avatar relationship managers.

....if your Stellium's lead planet is Saturn?
Urban Agriculturist:
Growing food on farms and then shipping it to cities will soon be a waste of time – it will be easier to either grow fresh produce in hydroponic systems like below grocers stores, or via vertical farming in skyscraper greenhouses.
Nano-medic:
The future of medical care is small. Nanomedicine specialists will be in great demand for health professionals trying to track down medical problems related to nanomachnics, and then designing remedies to heal the problems...
Extinction Revivalist:
An extinction revivalist is a specialist in genetics who can bring long-dead animals back to life through the process of de-extinction. Thankfully, dinosaurs aren't possible, but woolly mammoths, dodos or the Tasmanian tiger are possible.
Time Broker:
In the future, time brokers will allow people to pay for goods and services with time, rather than money. But what do you do if you run out of time? You head to the time bank to take out a time loan...but it may cost you!

Link:
https://scienceonthego.griffith.edu.au/futurejobs-2/
 
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Kitchy

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There is a certain commonality of nhilism in this stellium. It's been broken into fragments here, by planetary leaderships - I think in 89 Cap stellium - this nhilism is equivalent to saturnian - deal with it as it comes - based in earthy reality because there is either no belief in the future or past or perhaps a great distrust of it - which Neptune might help out with or hinder - and Uranus is not always bad - just unruly kangaroo punches keeping the stellium on their toes.

If there are stellium return astrologers here with parents born 59-61, can I ask if your parents raised you for success or failure and how did you oblige?
 

Kitchy

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I'm re-invigorating Inline's thread because it is very pertinent and there are new members who are part of this stellium whom may not have seen this thread yet. :smile:
 

Inline

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From the information my prediction might be......that in future 'the people' enmasse will resisit state controls on personal freedoms for example, and original, new laws will develop perhaps, with the Capricorn influence relating to job or land rights?


The question was, what did i think would happen in future (around the time of the Gen Cap Stelliums' Saturn return) and the prediction i made at the end of this January seems pretty accurate....!

If you look at what happened in Britain with the Brexit....many people are now exclaiming that the reason it happened was that the 'people' voted against goverment to 'take back control' with the hope of protecting their rights around work and borders....
 

Capricorn2616

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Thanks you for starting this thread, Inline. I am a part of this stellium and have always wondered how others like me would harness all three of these unique energies, especially because my sun is also a part of my stellium. I had never heard of the rare, triple conjunctions in history you pointed out at the beginning of this thread...I will definitely be looking into those further.

I thought other Cap stelliums might like this link...It talks about what to expect for your Saturn Return based on house and sign ...
http://astrostyle.com/saturn-return/
 

Inline

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.........That is because they realize that we live in a society where the senior generation is failing (in my opinion - not as individuals but collectively) and the top tiers of society are being governed by individuals that have zero ability......

.......The Capricorn Stellium of 1989, Pluto in Scorpio, even Mars in Scorpio retrograde until August 2016 on a smaller scale of time - all of these things will provide plenty of assistance for a very long time....

We are witnessing the Cap Stellium Generations' 1st Saturn Return in Capricorn ruled England. The Magna Carta was signed on Dec. 25, 1066. Today, the huge campaign to have a second Brexit referendum has jsut been rejected......despite over 4.1million signatures - from mainly young around 30's adults.

link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...it-referendum-signed-four-million-people.html

It appears the Cap Gen's first Saturn Return is being brought on by their older generation....and how they deal with this aging, stubborn, strong opponent will be their first test of adulthood....
 
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Kitchy

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I remember in '89 when I was pregnant with my son and I was having a conversation with my OB about so many people around me being in various stages of pregnancy. She herself was pregnant with a stellium kid. She said that '89 would be a year of mostly boys, given her patients' carrying. Then she said - when there are boosts in births like this, throughout history, it usually indicates a war is to come for that generation. It sounded preposterous and horrifying at the time, but within two years, the Gulf War broke out, then 9/11 and the Iraq war and now look - our stellium generation is one of the largest age groups in the military now.

In my childbirthing class there were 10 couples. Of those 10 couples, 8 boys were born and only 2 girls.
 

Inline

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........She said that '89 would be a year of mostly boys, given her patients' carrying. Then she said - when there are boosts in births like this, throughout history, it usually indicates a war is to come for that generation.

I've heard this before too.....that more boys are born when the population becomes overcrowded. Then later when many men begin fighting over only a few woman, war breaks out.

But, resorting to war is a bit old school for this generation?

Unfortunately however, their dilemna is not an easy one to resolve. They fight globalization but push for the EU which means more goverment. It appears it will be their responsibility to find the balance between the two! 0r not?
 
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Kitchy

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I've heard this before too.....that more boys are born when the population becomes overcrowded. Then later when many men begin fighting over only a few woman, war breaks out.

But, resorting to war is a bit old school for this generation?

Unfortunately however, their dilemna is not an easy one to resolve. They fight globalization but push for the EU which means more goverment. It appears it will be their responsibility to find the balance between the two! 0r not?

I find most of the stellium generation I've known thus far, to be apolitical and non-nationalistic. At least in terms of the ones I've known in life and work.

In terms of "resorting to war" - there are a couple of things that are unknown factors.

A) if a massive war broke out and the selective service were to be reinstated in US, (every American boy who turns 18 is still required to register for service even in times of no war)

B) It would not be unseemly by astrological factors that the draft could extend from what it currently is (18-26 yr olds) to 18-35 year olds. I don't know that that would happen, but to rule out the possibility? It could happen.

In some ways, it would be ironically fitting of a stellium generation being the first generation forced to take on such a responsibility in their post Saturn-return years. Especially with that Pluto chaser they all have in aspected Scorpio.

They seem mostly to be creative dreamers of some sort - lessened or strengthened by Uranus & Neptune to personals. Compelled to rebel against old warn out structures, seeking peace and hugs and "what's the problem, we got weed and love to go around" - not unlike it was in the late 60's. They're all kind of buttoned-up Hippies if you think about it, and I mean no negativity when I say that. But the truth seems to bear it's fruit in the majority of parents of these kids - The ones raised by the Saturn in Cap parents especially - got early Capricorn training at home.
 

Capricorn2616

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I have my sun included in this stellium too.
I'm quite ready for change.
I hope in the future that people can understand Capricorn energy in a more positive light. I dont accept that Capricorn is about being cold and "sociopath"-like.
 

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theoddone

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I have my sun included in this stellium too.
I'm quite ready for change.
I hope in the future that people can understand Capricorn energy in a more positive light. I dont accept that Capricorn is about being cold and "sociopath"-like.

You and I share a birthday. I have the exact same planets except my moon is at 5 degrees and I have a different ascendant.
 

katydid

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My son has this stellium. [ april 88]

Luckily he does not have the Sun squaring that stellium. And he has the moon conjunct Jupiter in Taurus---trining that stellium.

While I was awaiting his birth, I was looking at the ephemeris, trying hard to understand what that triple Cap conjunction was going to mean. :sideways:

I think it has been a very good thing in many ways. He is both conservative and progressive. He is not religious but very spiritual. He is both optimistic and jaded/suspicious. lol
 
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