Howl
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I have been incubating this particular thread for a long time
Within days of my debut on the forum I had sparked debate (to which I was but witness) as to whether a planet in Virgo can trine a planet in Gemini. Consensus indicates that in my chart, there is no trine. I was given two reasons. Either that particular 'trine' of mine is void because the orb is too wide (which I agree with), or because planets CAN'T form dissociate aspects. The insightful debate has stuck with me ever since, and I'm determined to learn more!!
A dissociate aspect is where planets are in an aspect by orb, but the signs they are placed in are not in the same aspectual relationship. For example: a planet at 27' Virgo trining a planet at 1' Aquarius. This is a trine of 4' orb, acceptable according to any technical definition of a trine. However, one planet is in Earth, while the other is in Air; they do not share element, modality or gender. How can the energy flow freely between planets with nothing in common by sign? This is a dissociate trine.
For an excellent intro to the nature of aspects see Arian's thread: An Introduction to Element, Modality and Gender. (Arian where is that thread? it should be part of our new virtual classroom! )
For an enlightening discussion of dissociate aspects, try this article, if you haven't already. It introduces the importance of orbs relative to signs in determining aspects. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects.html#ado
I have three dissociate aspects, which I continue to scrutinise
3H Mars virgo trine 7H Venus Aqua - a trine with nothing in common
3H Pluto libra square 7H Venus Aqua - a square with both planets in air
3H Pluto libra conjunct 4H Jupiter scorpio - conjunction across air/water
The last one straddles Nadir (IC) with a 6' orb. It's probably the least valid according to some, but I am still very interested in figuring out if and how I think it works.
I would love to hear people's experiences or thoughts concerning dissociate aspects. If you do 'count' them, they are much more difficult to read, I think! Here is what skyscript says about them:
So, what do you have?
Within days of my debut on the forum I had sparked debate (to which I was but witness) as to whether a planet in Virgo can trine a planet in Gemini. Consensus indicates that in my chart, there is no trine. I was given two reasons. Either that particular 'trine' of mine is void because the orb is too wide (which I agree with), or because planets CAN'T form dissociate aspects. The insightful debate has stuck with me ever since, and I'm determined to learn more!!
A dissociate aspect is where planets are in an aspect by orb, but the signs they are placed in are not in the same aspectual relationship. For example: a planet at 27' Virgo trining a planet at 1' Aquarius. This is a trine of 4' orb, acceptable according to any technical definition of a trine. However, one planet is in Earth, while the other is in Air; they do not share element, modality or gender. How can the energy flow freely between planets with nothing in common by sign? This is a dissociate trine.
For an excellent intro to the nature of aspects see Arian's thread: An Introduction to Element, Modality and Gender. (Arian where is that thread? it should be part of our new virtual classroom! )
For an enlightening discussion of dissociate aspects, try this article, if you haven't already. It introduces the importance of orbs relative to signs in determining aspects. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects.html#ado
I have three dissociate aspects, which I continue to scrutinise
3H Mars virgo trine 7H Venus Aqua - a trine with nothing in common
3H Pluto libra square 7H Venus Aqua - a square with both planets in air
3H Pluto libra conjunct 4H Jupiter scorpio - conjunction across air/water
The last one straddles Nadir (IC) with a 6' orb. It's probably the least valid according to some, but I am still very interested in figuring out if and how I think it works.
I would love to hear people's experiences or thoughts concerning dissociate aspects. If you do 'count' them, they are much more difficult to read, I think! Here is what skyscript says about them:
Dissociate aspects are considered weakened in effect, or represent a contradictory principle or barrier which needs to be overcome in order for the aspect to fully express itself
So, what do you have?
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