Another political thread

Re: Free speech vs derogatory comments

Oddity said:

Just for clarification, am I white now? You could've fooled me!

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You tell me. I have no idea what you look like-- or how you were raised in a particular culture.

I wouldn't recognize you if I fell over you on the sidewalk.

Re: Free speech vs derogatory comments

Blackbery, most of your posts are full of anger and hatred-- against Democrats and assorted liberals.

It is ironic that you charge them with hatred, in post after post, while never reflecting on your own rhetoric.

Re: Free speech vs derogatory comments

waybread said:

You tell me. I have no idea what you look like-- or how you were raised in a particular culture.

I wouldn't recognize you if I fell over you on the sidewalk.

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You would definitely recognize Blaze, if he looks anything like his latest avatar!

Re: Free speech vs derogatory comments

david starling said:

You would definitely recognize Blaze, if he looks anything like his latest avatar!

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Oddity, as well, if he looks like a big cat with a purple scarf.

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waybread said:

Oddity, as well, if he looks like a big cat with a purple scarf.

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Good point. That's probably not the case. I wonder about people's avatars even when they seem possibly what they do look like. Most of us are maintaining anonymity.

I haven't felt like posting an avatar myself. Not sure why.

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Leo drew that for me!

david starling said:

Good point. That's probably not the case. I wonder about people's avatars even when they seem possibly what they do look like. Most of us are maintaining anonymity.

I haven't felt like posting an avatar myself. Not sure why.

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Oddity said:

Yeah, cos Saturn rising in a night chart (and ruling 2) makes you so rich.


Want some ramen?

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I'll take some. We can pour water in wine cups and pretend we're superstars.

david starling said:

You would definitely recognize Blaze, if he looks anything like his latest avatar!

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I woke up looking like this. Aren't I pretty?

So actually, Oddity, I don't know about your Caucasian genes. I'd say you look more gray than white. And in better light, that's a pink scarf. Aina, hey?

waybread said:

So actually, Oddity, I don't know about your Caucasian genes. I'd say you look more gray than white. And in better light, that's a pink scarf. Aina, hey?

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Re: Free speech vs derogatory comments

waybread said:

This is called "what-aboutism." It's a logical fallacy as a debate technique, basically trying to charge someone with hypocracy or ignorance without addressing, let alone refuting, their particular argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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I was replying to this post:


Originally Posted by CapAquaPis View Post
"In 2020 and now 2021, we had so much hate crime incidents against Blacks over the BLM movement, Asians due to the COVID pandemic, Hispanics from the issue of undocumented immigration, Muslims still in a country where 9-11 is still fresh in our minds, Gays and transgender people because they are supposedly more accepted, and even my own Native Americans when "these poor people are having casino checks in the mail" can lead to "white anger" against anyone they learned is a Native American (I'm not a tribal member), and may I add Jews are still targets of hate crimes of religious or ethnic hatred."


They listed ^^ EVERY ethnic possibility except for whites. So YES, it is a valid question to ask , if EVERY OTHER race is discussed except for just one.

You can call it 'what aboutism' if it pleases you. Because it is asking what about the one race that was left out of the discussion.

As for addressing their 'argument' ---the question was doing just that. Their argument was seemingly that every other race was being victimised by hate crimes, except for privileged white people, because they do not belong in the long list of possible victims.







What about hate crimes against White people? Do they count?

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katydid said:

I was replying to this post:


Originally Posted by CapAquaPis View Post
"In 2020 and now 2021, we had so much hate crime incidents against Blacks over the BLM movement, Asians due to the COVID pandemic, Hispanics from the issue of undocumented immigration, Muslims still in a country where 9-11 is still fresh in our minds, Gays and transgender people because they are supposedly more accepted, and even my own Native Americans when "these poor people are having casino checks in the mail" can lead to "white anger" against anyone they learned is a Native American (I'm not a tribal member), and may I add Jews are still targets of hate crimes of religious or ethnic hatred."


They listed ^^ EVERY ethnic possibility except for whites. So YES, it is a valid question to ask , if EVERY OTHER race is discussed except for just one.

You can call it 'what aboutism' if it pleases you. Because it is asking what about the one race that was left out of the discussion.

As for addressing their 'argument' ---the question was doing just that. Their argument was seemingly that every other race was being victimised by hate crimes, except for privileged white people, because they do not belong in the long list of possible victims.







What about hate crimes against White people? Do they count?

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Is that even a thing? Can you provide any examples?

Re: Free speech vs derogatory comments

katydid said:

I was replying to this post:


Originally Posted by CapAquaPis View Post
"In 2020 and now 2021, we had so much hate crime incidents against Blacks over the BLM movement, Asians due to the COVID pandemic, Hispanics from the issue of undocumented immigration, Muslims still in a country where 9-11 is still fresh in our minds, Gays and transgender people because they are supposedly more accepted, and even my own Native Americans when "these poor people are having casino checks in the mail" can lead to "white anger" against anyone they learned is a Native American (I'm not a tribal member), and may I add Jews are still targets of hate crimes of religious or ethnic hatred."


They listed ^^ EVERY ethnic possibility except for whites. So YES, it is a valid question to ask , if EVERY OTHER race is discussed except for just one.

You can call it 'what aboutism' if it pleases you. Because it is asking what about the one race that was left out of the discussion.

As for addressing their 'argument' ---the question was doing just that. Their argument was seemingly that every other race was being victimised by hate crimes, except for privileged white people, because they do not belong in the long list of possible victims.

What about hate crimes against White people? Do they count?

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You mentioned 8 out of 10 most targeted social groups (not really all are race based, I mentioned groups that aren't races) of hate crimes in the country, don't forget women and people with disabilities. I admit white people and cis-males could be targeted like everyone else, but they're not in the top 10 categories in terms of demographics. And I have a GF, family members and friends IRL or online who are registered Republicans while I'm a Democrat, the ways things are, it's best to avoid talking politics, religion, morals and social groups with them, also I wonder political affiliation is a ground for hate crimes. Also don't talk about money, income class and assumptions about "rich" and "poor" people, that can lead to an act of violence against an individual for the reason they are rich or poor.