ruined education,loss of courage n confidence

abhi8492i

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Hi all

My name is Abhi
D.O.B -23/03/1989
TIME-8.40 AM
PLACE - KHARSIA( 21.9700° N, 83.1200° E)

I'm deeply disturbed by my education status, I used to be a Topper in school, but after taking admission in this particular college,my life is completely ruined, I'm unable to finish my degree,(b. E. Computer science) afraid to go to college, afraid of what others will think,have no friends, lost love, family relationships are strained,father always involving outsiders in matters related to me, humiliate me in front of others and my college teachers, I'm feeling like I can never get what I want, like it's impossible to be happy,i never drank smoked or ate non veg, yet all is lost in my sade sati,(which ended in nov 2014) I think I can't take any action because every action i'll take is doomed for failure,The loss of love didn't help either, and I don't think i'll be loved ever again because of my educational status,at this point I can't see a way other than suicide, because life don't have a restart button like they had in video games.plz tell me when it's going to end or is it not
 

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waybread

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See if you can get to a public library, Internet café, or other location with a public computer.

Oh, and stop feeling sorry for yourself. You are going through a difficult time now, but you are not all those things that you believe have turned against you.
 

kshantaram

Premium Member
tropical placidus chart :


Abhi,

wonder whether read your chart some occasion earlier!

asc lord venus elevated pisces 11th for gains,
selfless attitude, gains from arts-women, etc


sun elevated aries 11th gains from
govt-large corporates, well placed social contacts,

sun lord 4th over 11th elevated,
gains from mother-real estate,
while mother could have difficulties perhaps,


mer-venus lords 1/5 11th for gains, prosperity
through literary-oratory aptitudes,
but mer debilated, debilation cancelled,

gradual pace of growth in income-gains-friendships,
mer elevated aspect virgo 5th for education, position, protective.


venus pisces highest deg, personality factor,
mer pisces 2nd highest, factor for vocation,

emotional, selfless, literary-oratory aptitudes/gains.
moon social libra,

whether inclined to hr-hr analytics-psychometrics



sun debilated aspect over moon libra 5th
for education-romance-position in life, etc

moon libra social, wavery decision making,
prone to stormy anger when provoked.

lord venus elevated pisces 11th for friendships,
venus pisces selfless attitude.



progressed moon over natal moon social libra 5th
for education-romance etc
sun-moon opp wavery mind, moon lost in sun rays,

born full moon/poonam, prone to material enthusiasms.
hence fasting-praying recommended, focusing on divine
not getting drowned in materialistically hypnotic environ.

venus lord 6th over 11th elevated,
employment gains, but extra effort needed.


jup-mars gemini first house,
analytical aptitude, information processing,
successful at any project of choice.


but jup-mars lords 8-12 prone to health issues,
chest-lungs-head-liver, head injury-fire accident, etc


jup aspect own sag 7th, protective of marriage.

venus-mars lords 1/7 pisces-gemini sq unfriendly signs
challenge-conflict in relationship to care.



currently sat transit sag 7th, opp jup-mars,
miscalculations-misunderstandings in health-relationship, etc


sat sag aspect own acq 10th protective of career, but
may not be good for relationship with authorities.
come March sat retro scorpio 4-5m under stress.

natal sat lord 9th negating to 8th, negating luck,
settling at 36+, thumb rule.

mer lord 9th from moon debilated pisces/confused,
settling at 32+, thumb rule,
mer 6th from moon debilated, calling for extra efforts.
debilation cancelled, gradual pace of growth.


sat own cap 8th, research aptitude/applied research.
success amidst adversity

sat elevated aspect over moon-libra/6th house
promoting education-employment-health, objectivity, etc

mars elevated aspect over sat-cap 8th,
protection from major dangers,
promoting sudden wealth perhaps, insurance, etc,

sat own cap 8th prone to chronic health issues
knees, urological, piles, etc,


rahu true node pisces 10th, seeking sensitivity/sensitive,
foreign assignments, ambitious to soar high in career,

mer-venus-rahu, rahu catalyst, rising prosperity,
artistic-acting skills,
gradual pace though, mer debilated.


ketu separative virgo 4th, critical thinking-attitude,
detached attitude at home,
detachment from mother-motherland,
prone to pain-injury-surgery heart-lungs-intestinal-waist.




currently rahu-ketu reverse transits virgo-pisces,
reversal in life-style, rahu over ketu, ketu over rahu,


ketu for 1.5yr transit venus-mer-rahu pisces 11th

detachment from income-gains-friendships/relationship,

prone to pain-injury-accidents, arms-shoulders-feet
and skin, kidneys etc,



rahu previous 1.5yr transit moon libra 5th,
clouding mind, tending to foreign relationship perhaps.

ketu transit sun aries 11th,
affecting mother's health, property matters, studies,
pain-injury-surgery head-heart-stomach-limbs etc



jup 4-5m now retro towards leo 4th, trine
elevated sun aries 11th gains from mother-property,
gains through govt-corporates-social contacts,
jup trine transit sat sag 7th protective of relationship,
4th lord sun represents studies too.
jup leo 11th for gains from moon.

hope try to benefit before sat turns retro come March.
retro sat scorpio enemy sign under stress, 2nd from moon,
sadesati type effect 4-5m,
affecting health, relationship, employment, etc


progressed asc lord venus over own taurus 12th,
love of food-comforts, foreign lands, possessive spouse.


faith permitting :


may wear green emerald over little finger for debilated mer,
mer lord 2nd/5th for finances-education debilated pisces
emotional and confused affecting comprehension.

moon libra, recite Rama mantra, observe poonam fast,

for jup-mars airy gemini first house, lords 8/12, perform japa,
with help of pandit.

for sat own cap 8th, observe fast on sat evenings,
light til oil lamp.

for ketu virgo 4th for studies etc, ketu transits,
donate 1.25kg white til, once a month,
wed after sunset, at Mata Durga temple.


hope generic observations help reflect further,
pick as relevant,

may care to share pointwise specific ground feedbacks
per return, useful insights-ideas etc, technicalities apart.



hope retro jup leo now trine sun aries 11th helps,


wishing well,


kshantaram
TATWA NIRANJANAYA TARAKA RAMAYA NAMAHA



jup transit retro leo trine sun aries 11th now could promote gains through well placed social contacts, govt, corporates
jup direct virgo 4m later aspects own pisces mer-venus-rahu/and transit ketu protective of income-gains-friendships then.

natal jup over enemy sign gemini, jup lord 8th with mars lord 12th for losses etc, wonder whether wearing yellow sapphire
ok based on western chart. prone to health issues. good for information technology/analytical skills, lord 11th too for gains,
may wear over a pendant touching heart rather, not over finger. what has been the experience/any finger pain etc.

rahu stone could make one hyper-sensitive, while could promote artistic skills, friendships/romance, etc, rahu pisces could
vitiate ethics perhaps, make over ambitious, again what has been the experience. rahu conjunctions cause rise-fall to care,
calling for ancestor worship. jup-rahu transit now tending to vitiate judgment, tending to rise-fall to care.

taurus asc with scorpio opp need to avoid mere passionate attractions, mars-venus square prone to mutual challenge/conflict
over unfriendly signs gemini-pisces, intellectual-analytical vs spiritual-selfless to care.

emerald wearing, what was the dasa that time, debilated emotional-cofused mer over pisces 11th for gains to strengthen.
mer lord 2/5 for finances-education-luck.
.
appreciate prompt ack and detailed feedbacks! sharings! best wishes, can add on untouched points! does the reading boost confidence, help reflections, agenda for action, etc
 
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Larxene

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Interesting.

The 1st place is Taurus, and it is ruled by Venus. It is contrary to the sect, but is in its exaltation and in a good place (the "Good Spirit"). Arguably, it is subjected to combustion by the Sun, though this depends on whether we consider out-of-sign combustion or not. This Venus is above average in favourability, which accounts for your early life success, for the ruler of the Ascendant often tells about the person's early life circumstances. Would you agree that your youth was "happy, innocent and full of friends?"



The 9th and 10th places in your chart by whole-signs are ruled by Saturn. Saturn is of the sect in favour (the day sect), in his domicile, and in the favourable but cadent 9th place. Saturn is also above average in favourability. It should give you something good with regards to education and career (9th and 10th places respectively) right?

Unfortunately, Saturn's quality is not like that. Saturn's essence can be expressed as similar to these things: control, structure, habitual, decay over time, humility, pessimism, timidity, sadness, lack of hope, failure, cowardice.

Recently I have been checking a few celebrity charts, and I found some charts where the malefic planets are in good position to benefit the natives. However, these people invariably will experience some kind of loss or other negative effects, before the malefic actually gives them something positive. Malefics are also less generous; they don't give as much as benefics.

I suspect that it is similar in your case. It has certainly been the case for me (the malefics in my chart are prominent). My previous year has been particularly demonstrative; a malefic literally forced me to undergo adversity in order to make me change my life into a better state.



It is interesting that you mentioned your father's treatment: that he humiliates you in front of strangers. Your parents are signified by the Sun, the Moon and the 4th place. The Lord of the 4th, the Sun, is in the 12th place. It is in its exaltation and is the light of the sect. The 12th place is associated with, among other things, mental afflictions and depression. This is particularly symbolic of your father's actions. He tries to humiliate/depress you in front of others.

However, because the Sun is still somewhat above average in favourability, I suspect that your father had good intentions behind all that. Perhaps he believes in tough love and wanted to force you to move on from your failures, by embarrassing you in front of society.



With regards to education/career, I am confident that Mercury undergoes heliacal setting within +/- 7 days of your birth. Together with the fact that both the 9th and 10th place are ruled by Saturn, and that he is well-placed, I believe that Computer Science related careers are suitable for you.

I understand that you are disappointed with your incomplete education. Nonetheless, I feel that it is time to try to move on from your failures. Accept that you've made mistakes, and now you should do what you can, to improve your life, in light of what you've learned.

Weigh your options, and take the best option that you can swallow.

For example: are you in employment or not? If not, do you believe you are suited to learn programming (or other parts of computer science)? Do you want to become a programmer? If so, it may be wise to try and learn how to do so by yourself. There are a lot of materials online these days that can help you with that. You do not necessarily have to go to school for that. It may turn out to be hard to get into an entry-level position without a degree, so you have to weigh your options, as I said:

1) Part-time/Correspondence degrees
2) Free-lancing work to create a portfolio
3) Use connections to get into a position
4) Be a salesperson in an IT related company and work your way up, etc.



Now, maybe in Vedic astrology, your sade sati (Saturn period) has ended. For me, I check charts using Zodiacal Releasing, and according to this, Capricorn took over as major time lord in November 2015.

miu58HK.png


Saturn's period is 30 years, so this Capricorn period will stay for a long time. Since Saturn is well-placed in your chart, I believe it has the potential to help you improve your life. But let me remind you again, that Saturn's nature is malefic, so you will most likely experience prosperity only through adversity. You will have to tackle challenges and problems to actually get what you want, and life will not be easy. (I want to especially bring to your attention that Saturn will enter Capricorn in around 20 December 2017, so things may pick up and improve starting from there.)



On suicide. I assume you are Hindu, and I'm not well-versed with religion but isn't Hinduism one where you believe in karma? You believe in reincarnation and you have to wash all your sins away in order to escape the cycle of reincarnation? Correct me if I am wrong.

If this is the case, there's no guarantee that re-starting your life through suicide is gonna give you an easier life in your next reincarnation. Also, doesn't suicide also add to your sins? That may actually make your next life harder.

Now think about it. If every time you experience major setbacks in a particular incarnation, you commit suicide, your karma worsens. Your incarnations become worse, and it takes longer to escape this suffering called life. Not a good choice.



So in my opinion, it's better to work with the current life that you have. If you have lost everything in life, that means you have nothing more to lose. You stand only to gain by trying to improve it now.

Think of it as playing a game on Hard/EX mode with a Level 1 character. All your opponents have cool gears but your hero is bad in every way. Not a nice game. But when you actually defeat those opponents, you'll feel a sense of accomplishment that you wouldn't feel if you started the game on Normal, or if you used Gameshark codes to make the game easy.



Larxene Xenohart
 
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abhi8492i

Member
tropical placidus chart :


Abhi,

wonder whether read your chart some occasion earlier!


asc lord venus elevated pisces 11th for gains,
selfless attitude, gains from arts-women, etc

sun elevated aries 11th gains from
govt-large corporates, well placed social contacts,
sun lord 4th over 11th elevated,
gains from mother-real estate,
while mother could have difficulties perhaps,


mer-venus lords 1/5 11th for gains, prosperity
through literary-oratory aptitudes,
but mer debilated, debilation cancelled,

gradual pace of growth in income-gains-friendships,
mer elevated aspect virgo 5th for education, protective.


venus pisces highest deg, personality factor,
mer pisces 2nd highest, factor for vocation,
emotional, selfless, literary-oratory aptitudes/gains.
moon social libra,

whether inclined to hr-hr analytics.


sun debilated aspect over moon libra 5th
for education-romance-position in life, etc
moon libra social, wavery decision making,
prone to stormy anger when provoked.
progressed moon over natal moon libra 5th.
sun-moon opp wavery mind, moon lost in sun rays,

born full moon/poonam, prone to material enthusiasms.
hence fasting-praying recommended, focusing on divine
not getting drowned in materialistically hypnotic environ.

venus lord 6th over 11th elevated,
employment gains, but extra effort needed.


jup-mars gemini first house,
analytical aptitude, information processing,
successful at any project of choice.

but jup-mars lords 8-12 prone to health issues,
chest-lungs-head-liver, head injury-fire accident, etc


jup aspect own sag 7th, protective of marriage.

venus-mars lords 1/7 pisces-gemini sq unfriendly signs
challenge-conflict in relationship to care.


currently sat transit sag 7th, opp jup-mars,
miscalculations-misunderstandings in
health-relationship, etc
sat sag aspect own acq 10th protective of career, but
may not be good for relationship with authorities.
come March sat retro scorpio 4-5m under stress.


natal sat lord 9th negating to 8th, negating luck,
settling at 36+, thumb rule.

mer lord 9th from moon debilated,
settling at 32+, thumb rule,
mer 6th from moon debilated, calling for extra efforts.
debilation cancelled, gradual pace of growth.


sat own cap 8th, research aptitude/applied research.
success amidst adversity

sat elevated aspect over moon-libra/6th house
promoting education-employment-health, objectivity, etc

mars elevated aspect over sat-cap 8th,
protection from major dangers,
promoting sudden wealth perhaps, insurance, etc,

sat own cap 8th prone to chronic health issues
knees, urological, piles, etc,


rahu true node pisces 10th, seeking sensitivity,
foreign assignments, ambitious to soar high in career,

mer-venus-rahu, rahu catalyst, rising prosperity,
gradual pace though, mer debilated.


ketu separative virgo 4th, critical thinking-attitude,
detached attitude at home,
detachment from mother-motherland,
prone to pain-injury-surgery heart-lungs-intestinal-waist.


currently rahu-ketu reverse transits virgo-pisces,
reversal in life-style, rahu over ketu, ketu over rahu,

ketu for 1.5yr transit venus-mer-rahu pisces 11th
detachment from income-gains-friendships/relationship,
prone to pain-injury-accidents, arms-shoulders-feet
and skin, kidneys etc,


rahu previous 1.5yr transit moon libra 5th,
clouding mind, tending to foreign relationship perhaps.
ketu transit sun aries 11th,
affecting mother's health, property matters, studies,
pain-injury-surgery head-heart-stomach-limbs etc


jup 4-5m now retro towards leo 4th, trine
elevated sun aries 11th gains from mother-property,
gains through govt-corporates-social contacts,
jup trine transit sat sag 7th protective of relationship,
4th lord sun represents studies too.
jup leo 11th for gains from moon.
hope try to benefit before sat turns retro come March.

progressed asc lord venus over own taurus 12th,
love of food-comforts, foreign lands, possessive spouse.


faith permitting :


may wear green emerald over little finger for debilated mer,
mer lord 2nd/5th for finances-education debilated pisces
emotional and confused affecting comprehension.

moon libra, recite Rama mantra, observe poonam fast,

for jup-mars airy gemini first house, perform japa,
with help of pandit.

for sat own cap 8th, observe fast on sat evenings,
light til oil lamp.

for ketu virgo 4th for studies etc, ketu transits,
donate 1.25kg white til, once a month,
wed after sunset, at Mata Durga temple.


hope generic observations help reflect further,
pick as relevant,

may care to share pointwise specific ground feedbacks
per return, useful insights-ideas etc, technicalities apart.


hope retro jup leo now trine sun aries 11th helps,

wishing well,


kshantaram
TATWA NIRANJANAYA TARAKA RAMAYA NAMAHA

First of all thanks for taking the time for such detailed analysis, although I admit I don't understand technical aspects of reading but I'll try to confirm various things that match up, to the best of my abilities

I was a very helping, sincere and kind person before all this and helped anyone and everyone,loyal in friendships and team above everything else, without ever thinking about my own discomfort or anything in return,during last 5 years I lost that particular kindness and just now I am returning to that state,i wanted to rise in my career but never on the back of someone or illicit means

1.The point for wavery decision making is perfactly true, as I dont understand what is right and what is wrong often and employ delaying tactics (which often end up harming me), yet when I make a decision in haste, it certainly end up proving to be the wrong one in future,(didn't happen until 2007, as all my decisions were mostly right up until than) and unwilling to trust anyone else's judgement, so it's been like this for sometime

2.material enthusiasm , especially gadgets catch my fancy very fast,hypnotic being the defining word, that's completely true

3.stormy anger used to be true up until 2005,but after that it stopped giving any positive results,(the will of others proved too strong to be affected by anger or aggressiveness,so gave up expressing any anger at all)

4.fire injury happened only once, and a minor one, regarding lungs, yes I do have a Problem of weak lungs, getting asthmatic since last 3 years too

5.miscalculation and misunderstanding in all relationships is all too often, a lack of clarity always looms "protective of career but not good relationship with authorities" is 1120% true, that's why I don't want to give up my engineering but college authorities are being especially tough on me,i never understood why

6.chronic health issues cough and cold, allergic to dust


7.sudden wealth, just this past 4 months, but limited to computer parts and it was due for past 4 years too

8.regarding detachment at home, it was more like lack of attachment, I never particularly found any attachment from home,nor with family members, it's not like I am angry or anything,even before this life crisis, I didn't have much going for me in home,there just wasn't any common interests between me and any family members so there's not much to talk about, and in the absence of communication, nothing like family bonds ever established , and currently I'm not much interested in making friends with anyone or sharing anything with anyone,i have become quite a loner,which I never thought I would be

9.regarding ketu and injury,i have met with 2 accidents just this last year and January, fortunately nothing broke but 1st accident injured right legs thumb, another right shoulder and upper arm

10.a spacial lack of concentration and clarity always looms over head, I can't concentrate on anything not related to electronics without succumbing to depressive and negative thoughts,i feel negativity as in self doubt and un- ability to remember crucial details of any thing, I feel like why try if every effort is doomed to failure, knowing it to be utterly false,and yet strangely true for me for time being,i know at some point my efforts will be in right direction and will succeed, but right now anything I would try will end up in disaster


What do you mean by "hope try to benefit before sat turn retro come March"? Will saturn become a tormentor again

Also after the end of 7.5 years saturn period no new problems arised, but the problems created during this time still linger

Apart from education, employment, mental stress and communication gap, what about anything related to love?

I did wear emerald in little finger for around 6 years from 2006 to 2012 ,but it was such a devastating period, I didn't notice any improvement/protection if there was any , currently I wear a hessonite and yellow sapphire as per what my father consulted with an astrologer

Again thanks for taking the time
 

abhi8492i

Member
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Interesting.

The 1st place is Taurus, and it is ruled by Venus. It is contrary to the sect, but is in its exaltation and in a good place (the "Good Spirit"). Arguably, it is subjected to combustion by the Sun, though this depends on whether we consider out-of-sign combustion or not. This Venus is above average in favourability, which accounts for your early life success, for the ruler of the Ascendant often tells about the person's early life circumstances. Would you agree that your youth was "happy, innocent and full of friends?"



The 9th and 10th places in your chart by whole-signs are ruled by Saturn. Saturn is of the sect in favour (the day sect), in his domicile, and in the favourable but cadent 9th place. Saturn is also above average in favourability. It should give you something good with regards to education and career (9th and 10th places respectively) right?

Unfortunately, Saturn's quality is not like that. Saturn's essence can be expressed as similar to these things: control, structure, habitual, decay over time, humility, pessimism, timidity, sadness, lack of hope, failure, cowardice.

Recently I have been checking a few celebrity charts, and I found some charts where the malefic planets are in good position to benefit the natives. However, these people invariably will experience some kind of loss or other negative effects, before the malefic actually gives them something positive. Malefics are also less generous; they don't give as much as benefics.

I suspect that it is similar in your case. It has certainly been the case for me (the malefics in my chart are prominent). My previous year has been particularly demonstrative; a malefic literally forced me to undergo adversity in order to make me change my life into a better state.



It is interesting that you mentioned your father's treatment: that he humiliates you in front of strangers. Your parents are signified by the Sun, the Moon and the 4th place. The Lord of the 4th, the Sun, is in the 12th place. It is in its exaltation and is the light of the sect. The 12th place is associated with, among other things, mental afflictions and depression. This is particularly symbolic of your father's actions. He tries to humiliate/depress you in front of others.

However, because the Sun is still somewhat above average in favourability, I suspect that your father had good intentions behind all that. Perhaps he believes in tough love and wanted to force you to move on from your failures, by embarrassing you in front of society.



With regards to education/career, I am confident that Mercury undergoes heliacal setting within +/- 7 days of your birth. Together with the fact that both the 9th and 10th place are ruled by Saturn, and that he is well-placed, I believe that Computer Science related careers are suitable for you.

I understand that you are disappointed with your incomplete education. Nonetheless, I feel that it is time to try to move on from your failures. Accept that you've made mistakes, and now you should do what you can, to improve your life, in light of what you've learned.

Weigh your options, and take the best option that you can swallow.

For example: are you in employment or not? If not, do you believe you are suited to learn programming (or other parts of computer science)? Do you want to become a programmer? If so, it may be wise to try and learn how to do so by yourself. There are a lot of materials online these days that can help you with that. You do not necessarily have to go to school for that. It may turn out to be hard to get into an entry-level position without a degree, so you have to weigh your options, as I said:

1) Part-time/Correspondence degrees
2) Free-lancing work to create a portfolio
3) Use connections to get into a position
4) Be a salesperson in an IT related company and work your way up, etc.



Now, maybe in Vedic astrology, your sade sati (Saturn period) has ended. For me, I check charts using Zodiacal Releasing, and according to this, Capricorn took over as major time lord in November 2015.

miu58HK.png


Saturn's period is 30 years, so this Capricorn period will stay for a long time. Since Saturn is well-placed in your chart, I believe it has the potential to help you improve your life. But let me remind you again, that Saturn's nature is malefic, so you will most likely experience prosperity only through adversity. You will have to tackle challenges and problems to actually get what you want, and life will not be easy. (I want to especially bring to your attention that Saturn will enter Capricorn in around 20 December 2017, so things may pick up and improve starting from there.)



On suicide. I assume you are Hindu, and I'm not well-versed with religion but isn't Hinduism one where you believe in karma? You believe in reincarnation and you have to wash all your sins away in order to escape the cycle of reincarnation? Correct me if I am wrong.

If this is the case, there's no guarantee that re-starting your life through suicide is gonna give you an easier life in your next reincarnation. Also, doesn't suicide also add to your sins? That may actually make your next life harder.

Now think about it. If every time you experience major setbacks in a particular incarnation, you commit suicide, your karma worsens. Your incarnations become worse, and it takes longer to escape this suffering called life. Not a good choice.



So in my opinion, it's better to work with the current life that you have. If you have lost everything in life, that means you have nothing more to lose. You stand only to gain by trying to improve it now.

Think of it as playing a game on Hard/EX mode with a Level 1 character. All your opponents have cool gears but your hero is bad in every way. Not a nice game. But when you actually defeat those opponents, you'll feel a sense of accomplishment that you wouldn't feel if you started the game on Normal, or if you used Gameshark codes to make the game easy.



Larxene Xenohart


Sir, thanks for your kindness that was some good food for thought,regarding karma,

I agree that I was "happy" innocent and full of friends till 2007 ,hell I'd even say I was nothing short of a celebrity and an all-rounder everyone had great hopes for,

Though I agree I always thought things come a little too easily to me, often times I wondered whether its a preparation to take everything away, but dismissed it as some baseless suspicion,guess I was right

I agree that my father is not a bad person ,hell he has very high principles, ideas and values regarding everything, his choice of words (be it good or bad) is always impeccable, he has a keen perception and an ability to see through things, but he's impatient, hard headed, short tempered and a marketer, I.e. he likes to spread/force his thoughts,he is "my way or highway" type, Ive often wondered whether he has a lot of qualities like saturn, and he always says saturn is strong in his chart(per vadic astrology),but he wasn't prepared for the fall of his star son and potentially never dealt with this type of situation


I'm not a kind of person who knew struggles from start, but as my life completely changed in the middle of 2008,i struggled a lot, against authorities and people who are superior to me, and lost.this created a kind of escapism which I knew was un healthy, but at some level I thought it's baseless to argue against people who are superior, all I ever wanted was an escape from humiliation and my father forced me to face unpleasant situations again and again.whereas before 2007 i scarcely knew what was fear, by the end of 2011 ,fear ruled my actions (or inactions) , anger didn't help in that either, just now since start of this year, i'm feeling a little fearless again, (I don't know why, maybe because I had enough or I don't care anymore for humiliation)


I never thought saturn is placed good in my chart but I hope you are right and if western astrology makes it so then it's at least some good news, but you Say " prosperity through adversity" and "you have to face challenges and problems to actually get what you want"
What kind of challenges should I expect, I mean their nature..delay? Legal work? Betrayal? Financial setbacks?
Social pressure? Problems with authorities?controversy ? Incompetence(on my part or someone else's)

Also can you please tell me who is benefic and who is malefic in my chart,apart from obvious (Saturn)

Also you mentioned some celebrities who has melefics in benefic positions, can you tell me who they were, so I could gain some insight from their life stories?

Is there a specific cause to my lack of concentration or lack of clarity and fear,(astrologically) which I should address if I can

Also whether I can get social again, I.e. new friends?a new and genuine love?currently I'm very much of a solitary person,half because of my own flaws and half because of my own unwillingness

I do believe that computer science related and coding and programming is "The thing" for me, and I just need some parts to build my own PC to start practicing on my own(at least I'll have knowledge of what I always wanted to know) ,but I'm afraid my diminished concentration and memory skill doesn't kill that option too

I used to be very religious, but lately ,not so much, because my personal observation was that anything which we call divine intervention doesn't happen when we do something good, but it surely happens when we do something bad,means god isn't in the form of saviour but a punisher, despite doing a lot of what we call "puja-path" (like rituals and prayers).I never did anything wrong to anyome whose results resembles results what I am facing,on the contrary I helped people emotionally, financially and in their studies, I mediated and negotiated fights,before anyone got hurt, as far as I remember I did good deeds in this life, On karma, yes we do believe in reincarnation ,and that's what frustrates me, If I can't even remember what I did wrong in the past life how is it justified to punish me for that in this life ,and if god only acts for punishment and he doesn't help in our most desperate of times and doesn't answer our most desperate prayers than what's the point of worshipping his greatness?


But I agree that ending one's own life is probably not the best of solution, if according to god's ideas(however shrewd they are) add to one's sins,and this reincarnation business gets tougher each time, (not a nice game), and every normal opponent is a boss fight
 

abhi8492i

Member
See if you can get to a public library, Internet café, or other location with a public computer.

Oh, and stop feeling sorry for yourself. You are going through a difficult time now, but you are not all those things that you believe have turned against you.

Updated with chart details waybread, anything to add please?
 

waybread

Well-known member
abhi, you've gotten a jyotish and traditional western reading. Here is one from modern western astrology.

I use the modern outer planets Pluto, Neptune, and Uranus, as I think they can be very powerful in a horoscope-- and life. For several years now, transiting Pluto and Uranus have been in a difficult aspect with one another called a square (90 degrees of separation.) They move very slowly through the signs of Capricorn and Aries, but will also affect people with planets in the signs of Cancer and Libra (this is western astrology, which goes by the tropical zodiac.)

Both Uranus and Pluto rule profound change in our lives, and are usually rough about it, unless we happen to want major changes in our lives. Most people don't, even if they are not really happy with the way things are going.

The moon indicates your emotional nature. Saturn shows where and how we are likely to be hard on ourselves, and feeling as though we are not good enough. You have a natal square between your moon and Saturn, so I think that even when life was going well for you, it was hard for you to maintain a sense of high self-esteem. Recently transiting Pluto and Uranus have been hitting your natal moon and Saturn, bringing up all kinds of fears and anxieties.

Once we start to live our lives out of fear and anxiety, it is hard to focus on anything else other than our worries. It seems that the life we knew is falling to pieces, yet trying to hold onto it doesn't help matters.

There is a bit more going on in terms of transits, but they will probably have a similar effect.

Although these transits are passing, they do have a positive effect in our lives even when they are hard to bear at the time. Sometimes something old has to (metaphorically) die off, so that something new can take its place. I live in Canada, where a lot of the vegetation dies off in autumn, so that new growth can replace it in the spring.

Transits of outer planets to personal planets also symbolize the phoenix, a mythical bird that was burned in the fire, so that its reincarnated self could hatch and emerge from the ashes.

Abhi, you are like that phoenix. You are going through the fire now, so that a new you can emerge.

This is a good time to give up anything that isn't true to your innermost self. Out with the old! So that you have created space for new life to flourish.

So let me ask, how much do you love computer science? What would you really love to do with your life? Maybe you would prefer to study law, or health care.

One thing I read in your post that does need to fall away is your belief that nobody will love you if you do not have an education. India is full of deeply loved spouses with little education. I see many charts from young women in India, approaching or past the magic age of 25 who are still single, and fearful that nobody will ever love them. Perhaps a good Internet dating site would be helpful. Further, can you think of what does make you happy, vs. what you think you should do to meet your father's expectations?

Your big task will be to find a space of calm, despite your anxiety. Aries is the sign of the warrior, and even if you do not feel like one now, engaging in vigorous physical exercise, such as a martial art, should be helpful. Or try meditation or yoga.

When I went through a terrible Pluto transit, I found that gardening and nature were very therapeutic. With others, it might be classical music. The main thing is to determine what releases excess physical tension and calms your mind.

At this time in your life, you might also find meeting with a clinical psychologist to be beneficial. Your medical doctor can give you a referral.

You deserve a happy life, Abhi, and I don't see why you cannot have one.
 
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Larxene

Well-known member
(a) On Your Father:

1. He has very high principles, ideas and values regarding everything
2. Keen perception and an ability to see through things
3. Impatient, hard headed, short tempered
4. Likes to spread/force his thoughts, he is "my way or highway" type

All very representative of an Exalted Sun. :)

Saturn would be more patient, careful, quiet, but controlling, in my opinion.



(b)

1. Struggled a lot against authorities and people who are superior to me
2. Humiliation and fear

Sounds like a pretty Saturnine ordeal to me, although your Mercury (being in Fall and opposite its domicile) may also be causing problems with superiors sometimes. Also the quartile with the Sun from the 12th. Saturn has some relations to slaves, trivial/petty matters, etc. In some situations it endows a person with a servile spirit.



(c) "...my life completely changed in the middle of 2008..."

Can you pinpoint more specific dates? Which month was it? If you can remember the date, even better. I checked the time-lords (chronocrators) and I can see a pattern there, but I'd like to know a more specific period to make sure.



(d) Prosperity through adversity

Adversity introduced by Saturn generally, because that is the malefic that is prominent/well-placed in your chart.

Things like struggling against superiors, having others promoted before you, fears (especially of the unknown), arguments over small matters, pessimism, lacking control over certain matters, restricted by bureaucracy or laws, etc.

Lack of clarity? Yes, that can be a problem with Saturn. A person affected by this star sometimes worry a lot about the details of things, even things that other people deem to be "trivial" (speaking from experience).

Memory and concentration problems? Not surprising. Mercury is in the same sign as Venus (Lord of the 1st Place), and Mercury is in its Fall and opposite its domicile. It certainly affects you.

Being a solitary person may have to do with the Lord of the Ascendant being under the rays of the Sun.



(e) On Benefic and Malefic planets

I have to say that aside from Saturn and Venus, all the other planets are either mediocre or even harmful, when the time is right.

But I must note that the effects of the stars are fluid and not fixed in stone. When the star is well-placed (I use transits for this), if it is malefic (in the natal chart), then its maleficence will become less, and it may even benefit you once in awhile. If it is benefic (in the natal chart), then it would produce good effects.

On the other hand, if a natal planet is well-placed but becomes compromised in the transits, it will sometimes turn against the native and harm him, especially if it is naturally malefic (in your case, Saturn). If it is benefic and badly placed in the transits, the malefic effects is usually less (this applies to your Venus).

So we need to think in terms of flux and change, keeping in mind the natal placements.



(f) Regarding Career

Don't let your short-comings pull you down though, you should be able to overcome them. If your memory is lacking, write notes, or use mind-mapping, etc. Lacking concentration? Meditate (I recently started doing dharana), etc.

Things could be worse. At least your Lord of the Ascendant and Lot of Fortune are not cadent/declining from a pivot, which means you have some degree of motivation to achieve things.

Imagine being me, Lord of the ASC, Lot of Fortune and Lord of Fortune are all cadent. This translated to a significant lack of motivation and sloth, lacking the motivation to achieve things unless certain stars are well-placed.



Bad things happen to virtuous people, and good things happen to vicious ones. It is a fact of life. Only thing we can do is choose our response. So in the end, what are you going to do about it?



Larxene Xenohart
 

abhi8492i

Member
abhi, you've gotten a jyotish and traditional western reading. Here is one from modern western astrology.

I use the modern outer planets Pluto, Neptune, and Uranus, as I think they can be very powerful in a horoscope-- and life. For several years now, transiting Pluto and Uranus have been in a difficult aspect with one another called a square (90 degrees of separation.) They move very slowly through the signs of Capricorn and Aries, but will also affect people with planets in the signs of Cancer and Libra (this is western astrology, which goes by the tropical zodiac.)

Both Uranus and Pluto rule profound change in our lives, and are usually rough about it, unless we happen to want major changes in our lives. Most people don't, even if they are not really happy with the way things are going.

The moon indicates your emotional nature. Saturn shows where and how we are likely to be hard on ourselves, and feeling as though we are not good enough. You have a natal square between your moon and Saturn, so I think that even when life was going well for you, it was hard for you to maintain a sense of high self-esteem. Recently transiting Pluto and Uranus have been hitting your natal moon and Saturn, bringing up all kinds of fears and anxieties.

Once we start to live our lives out of fear and anxiety, it is hard to focus on anything else other than our worries. It seems that the life we knew is falling to pieces, yet trying to hold onto it doesn't help matters.

There is a bit more going on in terms of transits, but they will probably have a similar effect.

Although these transits are passing, they do have a positive effect in our lives even when they are hard to bear at the time. Sometimes something old has to (metaphorically) die off, so that something new can take its place. I live in Canada, where a lot of the vegetation dies off in autumn, so that new growth can replace it in the spring.

Transits of outer planets to personal planets also symbolize the phoenix, a mythical bird that was burned in the fire, so that its reincarnated self could hatch and emerge from the ashes.

Abhi, you are like that phoenix. You are going through the fire now, so that a new you can emerge.

This is a good time to give up anything that isn't true to your innermost self. Out with the old! So that you have created space for new life to flourish.

So let me ask, how much do you love computer science? What would you really love to do with your life? Maybe you would prefer to study law, or health care.

One thing I read in your post that does need to fall away is your belief that nobody will love you if you do not have an education. India is full of deeply loved spouses with little education. I see many charts from young women in India, approaching or past the magic age of 25 who are still single, and fearful that nobody will ever love them. Perhaps a good Internet dating site would be helpful. Further, can you think of what does make you happy, vs. what you think you should do to meet your father's expectations?

Your big task will be to find a space of calm, despite your anxiety. Aries is the sign of the warrior, and even if you do not feel like one now, engaging in vigorous physical exercise, such as a martial art, should be helpful. Or try meditation or yoga.

When I went through a terrible Pluto transit, I found that gardening and nature were very therapeutic. With others, it might be classical music. The main thing is to determine what releases excess physical tension and calms your mind.

At this time in your life, you might also find meeting with a clinical psychologist to be beneficial. Your medical doctor can give you a referral.

You deserve a happy life, Abhi, and I don't see why you cannot have one.


Hey waybread,
First of all thanks for the analysis, it was very helpful to see the other perspectives,i really appreciate the help

People generally don't have self esteem problems until things get worse (genrally).that was true for me too, I enjoyed high self esteem till 2009 , that is to say I was content till 2007, which is very BIG word for me now, granted I didn't have love at that time, but I didnt much care, a sense of righteousness was there, that I am on the right path and no troubles can come which I can't overcome.its not like troubles were never there

The reason I started believing in astrology (and I was only familiar with vadic astrology at the time, and it made sense) from 2001 the 'rahu'(maybe it's called dragon's head or north node) Transit was started for me that is called mahadasa which lasts 19 years,since then I was facing ups and downs in my life, it is believed that dragon's head is rash and makes every effort to decimate ones vision, concentration by pulling his mind in every direction at once and confuses the sense of right and wrong,i faced one big humiliation in 2003 ,but it's seeds were sown in 2001 and it was brewing up for some time,again same thing happened with me in 2005 on a different matter,with it's seeds sown in 2003.now when I reflect on it,its purely because of misplaced sense of right and wrong and recklessness and subsequent fear to face consequences on my part,but until 2007 I conquered all the hardships that were weakening my resolve and hurting me emotionally/socially with flying colors, come 2007 and I took admission in this college to pursue my lifelong dream of studying computer science,and I was overwhelmed with problems I can't get out of,neither had I a solution of,it was the same thing conceptually if not practically,social problems(which I never had in the past) , back stabbing by childhood friends, anxiety and fear due to loss of self confidence and in ability to get myself out of this tough situation,problems with love and family relationships to name a few

In 2010 I came to know something called full extent of "sade sati" (7.5 years saturn period,which started for me in 2006-07) and it made perfact sense, that dragon's head was creating problems for me since 2001 ,but my will and confidence was strong ( and I didn't know nothing about astrology ,so ignorance was bliss) so I always came out of problems with my own determination and help from people, since 2007 Saturn restricted my... Well everything, I faced hell emotionally and I couldn't do anything about it.restriction being the operative word. come 2015 ,I was worn and torn apart with respect to my will and emotions,BUT i did get parts for my own powerful computer in the end of 2015.which was again a dream came true at last like moment

I didn't have self esteem issues up until 2009,because I couldn't overcome any and all troubles,that came after 2007 and troubles seem to be conducting a search and destroy mission for me.But I get a feeling the worst of the storm is over and now only after effects are lingering (which might or might not linger lifelong, who knows)

Regarding my love for computer science, yes it was everything I ever wanted to do, some other people advised me for law as well but i never considered it as a serious career option,


Regarding change, yes you nailed it there with " Most people don't want change, even if they are not really happy with the way things are going" and I was like, yes that's me.and I didn't even realized that until now, Maybe I have to figure out what is it that needs to die out, and what is it that's really worth fighting for

I recently started meditation as well, to keep myself calm but more often than I like, I am so depressed in negative thoughts that I forgot that it's there in my routine,simply forgot.

But this thing about change you said was good thing to think, thanks again
 

abhi8492i

Member
(a) On Your Father:

1. He has very high principles, ideas and values regarding everything
2. Keen perception and an ability to see through things
3. Impatient, hard headed, short tempered
4. Likes to spread/force his thoughts, he is "my way or highway" type

All very representative of an Exalted Sun. :)

Saturn would be more patient, careful, quiet, but controlling, in my opinion.



(b)

1. Struggled a lot against authorities and people who are superior to me
2. Humiliation and fear

Sounds like a pretty Saturnine ordeal to me, although your Mercury (being in Fall and opposite its domicile) may also be causing problems with superiors sometimes. Also the quartile with the Sun from the 12th. Saturn has some relations to slaves, trivial/petty matters, etc. In some situations it endows a person with a servile spirit.



(c) "...my life completely changed in the middle of 2008..."

Can you pinpoint more specific dates? Which month was it? If you can remember the date, even better. I checked the time-lords (chronocrators) and I can see a pattern there, but I'd like to know a more specific period to make sure.



(d) Prosperity through adversity

Adversity introduced by Saturn generally, because that is the malefic that is prominent/well-placed in your chart.

Things like struggling against superiors, having others promoted before you, fears (especially of the unknown), arguments over small matters, pessimism, lacking control over certain matters, restricted by bureaucracy or laws, etc.

Lack of clarity? Yes, that can be a problem with Saturn. A person affected by this star sometimes worry a lot about the details of things, even things that other people deem to be "trivial" (speaking from experience).

Memory and concentration problems? Not surprising. Mercury is in the same sign as Venus (Lord of the 1st Place), and Mercury is in its Fall and opposite its domicile. It certainly affects you.

Being a solitary person may have to do with the Lord of the Ascendant being under the rays of the Sun.



(e) On Benefic and Malefic planets

I have to say that aside from Saturn and Venus, all the other planets are either mediocre or even harmful, when the time is right.

But I must note that the effects of the stars are fluid and not fixed in stone. When the star is well-placed (I use transits for this), if it is malefic (in the natal chart), then its maleficence will become less, and it may even benefit you once in awhile. If it is benefic (in the natal chart), then it would produce good effects.

On the other hand, if a natal planet is well-placed but becomes compromised in the transits, it will sometimes turn against the native and harm him, especially if it is naturally malefic (in your case, Saturn). If it is benefic and badly placed in the transits, the malefic effects is usually less (this applies to your Venus).

So we need to think in terms of flux and change, keeping in mind the natal placements.



(f) Regarding Career

Don't let your short-comings pull you down though, you should be able to overcome them. If your memory is lacking, write notes, or use mind-mapping, etc. Lacking concentration? Meditate (I recently started doing dharana), etc.

Things could be worse. At least your Lord of the Ascendant and Lot of Fortune are not cadent/declining from a pivot, which means you have some degree of motivation to achieve things.

Imagine being me, Lord of the ASC, Lot of Fortune and Lord of Fortune are all cadent. This translated to a significant lack of motivation and sloth, lacking the motivation to achieve things unless certain stars are well-placed.



Bad things happen to virtuous people, and good things happen to vicious ones. It is a fact of life. Only thing we can do is choose our response. So in the end, what are you going to do about it?



Larxene Xenohart


Hey Larxene

Thanks for cross matching details of real events to astrology in easy to understand language and without much technicality ,and that last bit is really scary from the sound of it,but things change, right? I don't know much about astrology but From my experience motivation requires interest and interest requires intrigue and gradual success in understanding the deeper concepts of the object of intrigue and deeper concepts causing more intrigue, until it becomes such a cycle that mind gets a habit of it,the key to motivation lies in not considering any possibility / choice / option for boredom with the object of intrigue, I know this is concept. But it's very practical for staying motivated.hope this helps you as it very often helped me

As far as I remember it was first in after mid feb to 20th feb then after 30th march, then whole April and may 2008 which dealt the first major blow in my education and reputation , came January 14th 2009 ,my Love life was broken thereafter since April 2009 to all 2009 life became unimaginable hell on all fronts, many beliefs I had about many things changed in this period, 2010 remained... Shell we say passive in terms of negative events until oct 2010,to be specific none of my efforts were making any headway and things remained depressive. 2011 saw another kind of troubles specifically since mid March 2011 to August sep 2011 and after that it was a slow but downward spiral of negative things and thoughts and I gradually lost my optimism and increased anxiety and fear,from oct 2013 to june 2014 ,another (and my best childhood friend turned against me).22nd march 2015 to 28th August 2015 I completely cut myself off from family due to anger and resentment ,and scarcely said more than 800 words in the whole 5 month period to anyone(yes I counted) after that it was some peaceful months at home but after 22 dec 2015 till now it's another episode of " humiliate me in front of others " countinued


I finally understood what you were saying about transits, benefics and malefics,thanks for the patience of explaining it thoroughly but -

" aside from Saturn and Venus, all the other planets are either mediocre or even harmful, when the time is right ."

Is it a general statement or specific to my chart?

One thing I observed is this, during my 2007 to 2014 period, my decisions went wrong in a way I couldn't correct them, this caused me to adopt a policy of over analysis and obsessions and stalling decisions to the point I am having troubles making smallest of decisions and even after making a decision I doubt the righteousness and effectiveness of my decisions,this was not the case before 2009 ,so is it something related to Transit or what you said about clarity? That -

"Yes, that can be a problem with Saturn. A person affected by this star sometimes worry a lot about the details of things, even things that other people deem to be "trivial" (speaking from experience). "

So is it going to stay like that all my life? Considering I didn't have that Problem before , I was hoping it's simply a confidence problem and one, which after good times (if it comes) will get vanished

One last things I want to ask is this,i stopped making decisions so people didn't get to offer me propositions which in turn will make me feel like played or fooled? But can I get perceptions to identify people as they are , not what they appear to be in future ? Or will I get betrayed by friends and lovers again?


Thanks again
 

kshantaram

Premium Member
tropical placidus chart :


Abhi,

wonder whether read your chart some occasion earlier!


jup transit retro leo trine sun aries 11th now could promote gains through well placed social contacts, govt, corporates
jup direct virgo 4m later aspects own pisces mer-venus-rahu/and transit ketu protective of income-gains-friendships then.

natal jup over enemy sign gemini, jup lord 8th with mars lord 12th for losses etc, wonder whether wearing yellow sapphire

ok based on western chart. prone to health issues. good for information technology/analytical skills, lord 11th too for gains,

may wear over a pendant touching heart rather, not over finger. what has been the experience/any finger pain etc.


rahu stone could make one hyper-sensitive, while could promote artistic skills, friendships/romance, etc, rahu pisces could
vitiate ethics perhaps, make over ambitious, again what has been the experience. rahu conjunctions cause rise-fall to care,
calling for ancestor worship. jup-rahu transit now tending to vitiate judgment, tending to rise-fall to care.


taurus asc with scorpio opp need to avoid mere passionate attractions, mars-venus square prone to mutual challenge/conflict
over unfriendly signs gemini-pisces, intellectual-analytical vs spiritual-selfless to care.

emerald wearing, what was the dasa that time, debilated emotional-confused mer pisces 11th for gains to strengthen. mer lord 2/5 for finances-education-luck.

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appreciate prompt ack and detailed feedbacks! sharings! best wishes,

can add on untouched points! does the reading boost confidence, help reflections, agenda for action, etc


hope above clarifications help!
 

waybread

Well-known member
Thanks for the feedback, abhi.

Just one more thing I would say is that western astrologers tend not to take a fatalistic, deterministic approach to life. Everyone faces challenges in life in ways that are consistent with our horoscopes. Yet each planet, sign, and house has multiple potential interpretations. We have the choice to input constructive, life-affirming interpretations. If we don't take this kind of responsibility for our lives, then we are apt to experience, by default, the negative outcomes.

Fortunately self-confidence is one of those attributes of our personalities that we can work on. Start by taking small steps without big expectations, and see what happens.

Best wishes for your journey, W.
 

abhi8492i

Member
hope above clarifications help!


Shantaram sir,
Thanks for further clarification ,it definitely clarified some more things


I wouldnt say I got any gains from anything resembling govt. Or ruling authority, I had some well placed social contacts and some in corporate too, but they never were in any position to help me, in my current situation, maybe they'll be in future


Yes, I was wearing yellow sapphire,i didn't know the significance of it,just because it was advised, it's been 5 months ,since I started wearing it,should I stop wearing it until jup turns in my own sign, is that what you Are saying ?or should i skip wearing that altogether?

I never faced any finger pain,just a slight discomfort in first finger, and because of that my tendency to move around the crown of ring over and around in the finger sometimes,but it was maybe due to weird proportions of my first finger, as it happened with almost every stone/ring I wore,

Like I said in some posts above, I met a minor accident in jan last week, that left my finger over which I wore rahu stone, hurting,(3rd finger) i'm currently not wearing it,and yes you were right that it made me hyper sensitive, emotional, after almost a week of not wearing it I don't feel much negativity or think about past or be rocked by any insults at home, so should I permanently discontinue wearing it?

The reason I wore emerald was given to me as mercury being the lord of Kanya /virgo (moon sign based , mahadasa being rahu from 05-05-2001 to 05-05-2019),it might have lessen the bad effects,during 2006-2012,(started wearing emerald in 2006) but I couldn't imagine anything going worse than it already did, practically everything that could go wrong in sufficient measure, did go wrong ,that's why I said I didn't notice any good effects,but in 2006to mid August 2007 period I enjoyed the most content and happy time around (wore emerald and 2 other stones, one of which was munga, other I don't know)


Other untouched points of significance
I didnt have gains from My mother ,but maternal family did get into some land disputes, and betrayal by own brothers and sisters, currently my mother has some bp problems, and she has to do things she hate for past 15 years ,and things she absolutely hate for last 4 years.(not the problems related to me)

I should mention that I got a lot of awards and praise in various extracurricular activities as well as in studies till 2004,but After that it all went downhill


Health issues were there yes... But nothing major, simple cold and allergy from dust etc. ,and asthmatic problems since last 3 years


Analytical aptitude /objective thinking - yes, but to the point where it goes in over analysis category for some past years

And I should avoid any "mere passionate attractions" as you said -


"taurus asc with scorpio opp need to avoid mere passionate attractions, mars-venus square prone to mutual challenge/conflict
over unfriendly signs gemini-pisces, intellectual-analytical vs spiritual-selfless to care."

It makes me afraid,as that's what happened in a very loving relationship I had, in the end,i realized, we both wanted absolutely opposite things, not just different, but OPPOSITE, we had our interests in conflict and it did affect my education and career although in a different way, so I guess there's no prospect for love with me


This jup-rahu transit, it'll end 4 moths from Now, did I get that correct? During this time, is it good idea to get into studies again and try to clear my backlogs, and then go back to college in july? Or should I completely abandon this engineering degree or start searching for employment and get some other degree?

Also,according to my chart how will my jup mahadasa turn out?,( it'll start in 2019) I hear jup is malefic for virgo, (not sure about technicalities of it though) so will it be again like this rahu dasa ?

Lastly I won't say it boosted confidence, but it sure re affirmed my intuitions,and definitely helped my agenda for further actions i shook take

And it'll help a lot of newbies like me if reading is done in a little bit more easy to understand way, because I am not well versed in technicalities.

thanks
 

kshantaram

Premium Member
Shantaram sir,

Thanks for further clarification ,it definitely clarified some more things.

Yes, I was wearing yellow sapphire,i didn't know the significance of it,just because it was advised, it's been 5 months ,since I started wearing it,should I stop wearing it until jup turns in my own sign, is that what you Are saying ?or should i skip wearing that altogether?

I never faced any finger pain,just a slight discomfort in first finger, and because of that my tendency to move around the crown of ring over and around in the finger sometimes,but it was maybe due to weird proportions of my first finger, as it happened with almost every stone/ring I wore,

AS PER WESTERN CHART JUP LORD 8TH FOR CHRONIC HEALTH ISSUES/DANGERS ETC, OVER FIRST HOUSE CAN AFFECT HEALTH,
JUP ALSO LORD 11TH FOR GAINS, JUP OVER FIRST HOUSE GENERALLY PROTECTIVE, IF ADVISED, AS PER WESTERN CHART,

WOULD SUGGEST WEAR OVER A PENDANT TOUCHING HEART, NOT OVER FINGER, ALREADY HAVE SUGGESTED SO.


vedic jup lord 9th for luck-higher education etc jup-mars asc lord over taurus 2nd for family-finances-education, aptitudes for banking-finance-teaching-consultancy-singing etc, jup-mars lords 1/9 tending to prosperity especially come jup dasa 16yrs next at age 36.5yrs approx.

2nd lord venus elevated over pisces 12th, sun-venus pisces 12th seeking divine beauty and splendor, aptitude for hospital management, arts, dancing, electricals-electronics, etc,while could have possessive spouse, venus lord 7th for marriage, sun-venus lords 5/7 tending to spouse of choice/love marriage.

but ketu leo 5th hyper-sensitive, high self-pride, tending to detachment, affecting education-romance-children-position.
jup-rahu transit leo now vitiating judgment tending to rise-fall yr ahead.

jup also lord 12th for health, losses, and trine aspect cap 10th dampening career-success-recognition-knee issues,
hence if desired wear yellow sapphire for bhagyesh jup over pendant only as already said above earlier. jup well placed over 2nd trine moon, hence jup stone not as necessary. could be supportive however.



Like I said in some posts above, I met a minor accident in jan last week, that left my finger over which I wore rahu stone, hurting,(3rd finger) i'm currently not wearing it,and yes you were right that it made me hyper sensitive, emotional, after almost a week of not wearing it I don't feel much negativity or think about past or be rocked by any insults at home, so should I permanently discontinue wearing it?


RAHU GIVES RESULTS OF LORD OF THE SIGN, LORD JUP AS LORD 8TH FOR DANGERS OVER FIRST ENEMY SIGN GEMINI COULD AFFECT HEALTH, CHEST-LUNGS ETC. MOREOVER RAHU GIVES RESULTS OF CONJUNCT PLANETS, SAY DEBILATED EMOTIONAL MER OVER PISCES, WHILE CAN ENHANCE ARTISTIC APTITUDES OF ELEVATED VENUS ETC. RAHU ALREADY CATALYST GIVING POSITIVE-NEGTIVE RESULTS, WHY NEED FOR A STONE UNLESS ONE WISHES TO SKY ROCKET, WHILE RAHU PRONE TO RISE-FALL,

THEN WHY WEAR, WHY NOT LIFE TAKE IT'S OWN COURSE, UNLESS IN GREAT HURRY OR WANT TO GRAB AMRUTA FROM THE DEVAS, AN OVER SPEEDING TRAIN COULD DERAIL,

MAY BE BETTER NOT TO WEAR UNLESS ALL INDICATIONS ARE POSITIVE.

AGAIN IF WANT TO WEAR, WEAR OVER A PENDANT NOT OVER FINGER. COULD BE A CONTROVERSIAL STONE.

BETTER TO EXAMINE FROM VEDIC CHART IF FOLLOW VEDIC ASTROLOGY,

WHY ON THE WESTERN FORUM! WHETHER A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO POST HERE WHEN VEDIC SEGMENT IS KINDLY AVAILABLE HERE!


Vedic mer-rahu over acq 11th for gains, acq inimical-badhaka for aries asc, income-gains-friendships under stress-delay, mer lord 6th for health-employment, gains with more efforts, mer over 11th being 6th from 6th prone to health issues, mer-rahu badhaka rahu prone to skin, nerve, sciatica, arms-shoulders-lower legs, related issues. mer-rahu prone to depression, airy, uncertain, while can have gains from foreign friends/other races especially rahu 18yrs rahu dasa.

mer-rahu pitru dosh, prone to rise-fall in life, income-gains-friendships-health etc while could have acting skills, able to camouflage personal emotions,

currently ketu 1.5yr transit mer-rahu badhaka acq 11th, detachment from income-gains-friendships. rahu transit ketu leo 5th for education-romance etc. reverse transits, tending to reverse life-style.

calls for ancestor worship, observing shraddha titithis sincerely, fasting amavasya days, can perform japa for mer-rahu over badhaka acq. or donate green moong, mustard-rai, white til, 1.25kg each every month at Shivalaya sat mornings. mer lord 3rd for communications-writings-written exams-siblings over badhaka acq, stress-delays in gains from these matters.



The reason I wore emerald was given to me as mercury being .the lord of Kanya /virgo (moon sign based , mahadasa being rahu from 05-05-2001 to 05-05-2019),it might have lessen the bad effects,during 2006-2012,(started wearing emerald in 2006)

but I couldn't imagine anything going worse than it already did,

practically everything that could go wrong in sufficient measure, did go wrong ,that's why I said I didn't notice any good effects,
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but in 2006to mid August 2007 period I enjoyed the most content and happy time around (wore emerald and 2 other stones, one of which was munga, other I don't know.

WESTERN MER DEBILATED-NEECHA OVER PISCES. WEARING EMERALD COULD HELP, MER ELEVATED ASPECT OVER 5TH FOR EDUCATION-POSITION ETC.


MER-RAHU over badhaka acq 11th for gains, may wear stones for gains but over pendants, not fingers, better perform japa.
may recite vishnu-durga stotras. offer karpoor arathy daily morning.



Other untouched points of significance

Analytical aptitude /objective thinking - yes, but to the point where it goes in over analysis category for some past years

KETU VIRGO HYPER-CRITICAL.

Vedic ketu leo 5th, hypersensitive, sudden decisions, high self-pride.

Moon virgo 6th critical thinking-attitude, perfectionist, moon lord 4th over 6th affecting property matters, mother's health, own self too health conscious, aptitude for medicine-healing-health services. lord mer-rahu badhaka acq 11th prone to health issues. venus debilated aspect over moon virgo 6th affecting health-employment matters, mother, etc

moon lord 4th for studiousness.

may donate 1.25kg white rice every month to Mata Durga wed after sunset.


And I should avoid any "mere passionate attractions" as you said -
"taurus asc with scorpio opp need to avoid mere passionate attractions, mars-venus square prone to mutual challenge/conflict
over unfriendly signs gemini-pisces, intellectual-analytical vs spiritual-selfless to care."

It makes me afraid,as that's what happened in a very loving relationship I had, in the end,i realized, we both wanted absolutely opposite things, not just different, but OPPOSITE, we had our interests in conflict and it did affect my education and career although in a different way, so I guess there's no prospect for love with me :


Vedic lords 1/7 mars-venus too prone to mere attractions, mars-venus over taurus-pisces 3/11 inclined to friendships-relationships, but unfriendly signs lords venus-jup, mere covertly supportive relationship in marriage probably. sun-venus pisces 12th need to cultivate aptitude for divine beauty and splendor in life, away from a materialistic point of view. sat sag 9th philosophic attitude towards life and religion. ketu leo 5th detachment from romance-children etc and highly individualistic.

WESTERN MOON LIBRA COMPATIBLE WITH MOONS LIBRA, GEMINI, VIRGO

VEDIC MOON VIRGO COMPATIBLE WITH MOONS VIRGO, LIBRA, TAURUS, GEMINI, LEO


This jup-rahu transit, it'll end 4 moths from Now, did I get that correct? During this time, is it good idea to get into studies again and try to clear my backlogs, and then go back to college in july? Or should I completely abandon this engineering degree or start searching for employment and get some other degree?

SINCE YOU AGREE ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN ELECTRONICS, WHY NOT COMPLETE ENGG WITH ELECTRONICS AS OF NOW, JUP-MARS GEMINI FIRST HOUSE APTITUDE FOR INFORMATION PROCESSING, SAT CAP 8TH AGAIN ENGG RESEARCH APTITUDE/INSURANCE ETC,

COULD THEN DO MBA-HR FOR A SUGGESTION, HR ANALYTICS/AUDIT, ETC VENUS-MER-RAHU SENSITIVE PISCES, SELFLESS ATTITUDES, SUN ELEVATED ARIES MANAGERIAL APTITUDE, MOON LIBRA SOCIAL APTITUDES, KETU VIRGO CRITICAL THINKING/QUALITY CONTROL-AUDIT-INVESTIGATIVE ROLES.

JUP-RAHU TRANSIT VIRGO TILL MID-AUG OR SO, NEED TO TAKE CAREFUL JUDGMENTS, KETU TRANSIT PISCES HYPER-SENSITIVE, TRANSIT 11TH PISCES TOWARDS NATAL RAHU DETACHMENT FROM INCOME-GAINS,
JUP ASPECT PROTECTIVE TILL MID-AUG 016.

JUP RETRO-VAKRI TOWARDS LEO 3/4 FOR STUDIES-WRITTEN TESTS THESE 4-5 M GOOD TRINE ASPECT SUN ARIES 11TH FOR INCOME GAINS, SUCCESS,


SAT RETRO SCORPIO 7TH NOT CONDUCIVE FOR RELATIONSHIP-HEALTH 4-5 MONTHS FROM MARCH. WHILE SAT ASPECT OWN ACQ 10TH PROTECTIVE OF CAREER-SUCCESS/MAY READ EDUCATIONAL CAREER FOR THE MOMENT, THOUGH UNDER STRESS.

NATAL SAT LORD 9TH CAP FOR HIGHER EDUCATION/POST GRADUATION NEGATING TO 8TH BUT OWN SIGN CAP WITH PRACTICAL INVESTIGATIVE-RESEARCH APTITUDES, MER LORD 5TH FOR GRADUATION ASPECTS OWN VIRGO 5TH PROTECTIVE OF EDUCATION. MER PISCES EMOTIONAL-CONFUSED, DEBILATION CANCELLED BY ELEVATED VENUS PISCES,
GRADUAL PACE OF GROWTH. MAY WEAR EMERALD AS PER WESTERN CHART.


Vedic jup retro cancer 4th for 4-5m elevated for studiousness, trine sun-venus pisces 12th for spiritual aptitudes, sun lord 5th for education, jup then direct leo 5th for education, jup lord 9th for higher education trine sag-sat 9th, trine aries asc for overall well-being, hence may attempt to complete education, jup-rahu leo transit, 12th from moon avoiding vitiating judgment, rise-fall. sat come March retro towards libra 7th elevated, good for career support.

light cow ghee diya daily morning for jup blessings, prayers to saint of your faith, yellow flowers thurs morning.


Also,according to my chart how will my jup mahadasa turn out?,( it'll start in 2019) I hear jup is malefic for virgo, (not sure about technicalities of it though) so will it be again like this rahu dasa ?

VEDIC CHART PLEASE! responded above beginning. jup dasa lord 9th for luck good.


Lastly I won't say it boosted confidence,

but it sure re affirmed my intuitions,and definitely helped my agenda for further actions i shook take

And it'll help a lot of newbies like me if reading is done in a little bit more easy to understand way, because I am not well versed in technicalities.

GOOD ABLE TO SHARE-EXPRESS ELABORATELY AMIDST STRESS, LEARN AS YOU SHARE AND READ, CLARIFY. DIFFICULTY REGRETTED,

UNLESS SEEKING YES/NO ANSWERS, THINGS MAY NOT BE SO STRAIGHT FORWARD, FREE WILL TO BE APPLIED! CAN GIVE A FEEL OF WHAT THE CHARTS/PLANETS COULD BE TRYING TO SAY TO BE FACTORED CAREFULLY/PERSONALLY.


thanks

hope clarifications help review further! appreciate your ability and readiness and the taurus patience to share so elaborately with focus, the tropical Nandi focusing creative energies towards attaining Shivatwa, following the directions of Shiva, the mission!

VEDIC JUP-MARS OVER CREATIVE TAURUS/NANDI, CAN ACHIEVE WHATEVER PROJECTS ONE TENDS TO, IF FOCUSED WITH DETERMINATION. AVOIDING STUBBORNNESS AFFECTING FAMILY SAME TIME.

btw why posted on the tropical segment! sharing vedic recommendations and experiences getting mixed up, for the purpose of doing the explaining. or vedic chart could be attached too for ready ref along with.

suggest write feedbacks below each paragraph of the reading quoting for ready ref as relevant, find difficult going back to the reading given and the logics and re-clarifying the nuances with each further clarification sought.

may also re-attach the chart for ready ref with page changes for ready ref, may be not be a bad idea! have to go back pages searching the chart while framing the responses, not computer savvy, each one of us having own limitations!

took some 3.5 hrs merely reclarifying running through the pages and going back and forth for the chart, merely to state.
and moreover the vedic component in the feedback, kept in abeyance at the moment not to confuse further, ofcourse prompted by myself which dasa etc, and yourself equally aware of moon kanya rashi etc choosing to post on the tropical forum!

WHY FORUM ADMIN MOVE TO VEDIC SEGMENT, YOURSELF CAN REPOST ON VEDIC WITH THE ORIGINAL PREAMBLE TO GET MORE OPINIONS/READINGS, THE VEDIC POINT OF VIEW, CULTURALLY CONSISTEN FOR YOU, AVOIDING CONFUSION WESTERN VS VEDIC, THOUGH WESTERN TOO COULD BRING SOME INSIGHTS/AWARENESS WHICH COULD BE TRUE, EACH SYSTEM ABLE TO CAPTURE CERTAIN THINGS STRAIGHT AWAY.


wishing well,


kshantaram


acq-sat 11th badhaka for aries asc, stress-delays in income-gains-friendships, badhaka sat over fiery sag 9th stress-delays in luck-higher education-distant travels etc, sat aspect own acq 11th protective of income-gains but not good for health of friends-friendships, could have aptitude for law-justice-philosophy-tech aptitude/foundry tech etc. virgo 6th preference for practical work, trade-commerce, health services, audit aptitude, etc. mer-rahu acq 11th aptitude for reforms. sat lord 10th negating to the 9th seeking ease/retired attitude, negating career, tending to teaching-consultancy-advisory roles, public admin, etc.

venus lord 9th from moon elevated 7th from moon good, growth-riches through artistic aptitudes, foreign lands, health management, etc.

wearing diamond for elevated venus 0.25 carat could overcome the badhaka sat, over platinum ring, overcoming the combustion from conjunction sun too. enhancing artistic and divine aptitudes, medicine, healing, foreign lands, etc.

hope the vedic inputs help further, able to relate better with your vedic chart culturally. usually referred to in the family-society.


wishing you well, hope jup leo helps, though sat watery enemy sign scorpio under stress ahead. jup-sat opp prone to miscalculations-misjudgments-missed opportunities in family-financial-health matters to avoid. sat scorpio 8th prone to chronic urological-piles-constipation issues perhaps, while promoting research-occult aptitudes/initiatives-explorations. sat aspect own cap 10th protective of career, though not good for relations with authorities.

float 1.25kg whole black urad dal over clean flowing river, tues after sunset, once a month, prayers at Mata Mahakali temple.



kshantaram
 
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hope clarifications help review further! appreciate your ability and readiness and the taurus patience to share so elaborately with focus, the tropical Nandi focusing creative energies towards attaining Shivatwa, following the directions of Shiva, the mission!

btw why posted on the tropical segment! sharing vedic recommendations and experiences getting mixed up, for the purpose of doing the explaining. or vedic chart could be attached too for ready ref along with.

suggest write feedbacks below each paragraph of the reading quoting for ready ref as relevant, find difficult going back to the reading given and the logics and re-clarifying the nuances with each further clarification sought.

may also re-attach the chart for ready ref with page changes for ready ref, may be not be a bad idea! have to go back pages searching the chart while framing the responses, not computer savvy, each one of us having own limitations!

took some 3.5 hrs merely reclarifying running through the pages and going back and forth for the chart, merely to state.
and moreover the vedic component in the feedback, kept in abeyance at the moment not to confuse further, ofcourse prompted by myself which dasa etc, and yourself equally aware of moon kanya rashi etc choosing to post on the tropical forum!


wishing well,


kshantaram


Shantaram sir,
I apologize for any inconveniences caused by this,
I didn't know there was a vadic section here, and if there's any misplacement,i request the mods to move it in Appropriate section, however I will say, that I don't particularly follow vadic astrology, it's just that however little I know about astrology, it was about vadic astrology, and I do appreciate insights from western perspective, but if that's not valid cause , then again I regret any mistakes I made in my eagerness

Secondly the multi quote or proper quoting didn't seem to work for me for some reason, I tried again and again, but it just didn't work, maybe I missed something,hope following attachment helps
 

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Hello Abhi,

Sorry for the late reply, I was procrastinating to make this post because... *looks at the length* ---> :eek: :unsure:

Hopefully you are still interested to read this. Anyway, I figured it may help others learn about the timing techniques I used here regardless.

[Note: Got lazy, so I didn't include all of the pics. Would upload if requested. Sorry if the images expire within a few months. I cannot get Imgur to work without signing up.]



1) "...As far as I remember it was first in after mid feb to 20th feb then after 30th march, then whole April and may 2008 which dealt the first major blow in my education and reputation...after that it was some peaceful months at home but after 22 dec 2015 till now it's another episode of " humiliate me in front of others " countinued..."


13~20 Feb 2008:


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Annual Profections: 7th Place, ASC -> Scorpio
Aphesis: Sagittarius -> Aquarius -> Virgo -> Sagittarius/Capricorn
Arrivals: Mars (Gemini), Jupiter(Capricorn), Saturn(Virgo), Mercury(Aquarius)


During this period, Mars is the Annual Time Lord (Time Lord of the Year), according to the Annual Profections method.

First, let's consider Mars' Natal position. He is a malefic contrary to the sect in favour (a day chart favours the sect of the Sun), is in Gemini where he has no dignities, and is in the unfavourable 2nd Place (using Whole-Sign houses). Mars is badly placed here. The Domicile Lord of Gemini, is of the day sect (since he rises before the Sun), is in his Fall and Detriment, but is otherwise in a favourable 11th House. Jupiter, the benefic of the sect in favour, is with Mars, but Jupiter is not positively placed here (more on this star later). Venus is well-placed and dominating Mars, but the aspect is very loose.

Now let's consider where Mars is transiting during this time period. In this time frame (13-20 Feb 2008), we find that he arrived in Gemini, where he was placed in the birth chart. Since he is negatively placed in the natal chart, and arrives at the zoidion where he was natally placed, we can expect this period to be difficult.


Now we shall look at the Zodiacal Releasing or Aphesis.

Here, we find that Jupiter is the major Time Lord during this period. Look at Jupiter in the Natal chart. He is a benefic of the sect in favour (day sect), but in his Detriment/Exile, but at least he is a Trigon Lord of the triplicity of Gemini, and is in the unfavourable 2nd place (again, using Whole-Sign houses). The Domicile Lord of Gemini, again, is Mercury, whose position is about average to below average, so he provides limited support. The positive Venus also dominates Jupiter, but again, the aspect is by sign and very loose.

From this I can say that the benefic influences of Jupiter is somewhat limited. His position is about average in the Natal chart.

Transits-wise, he arrived at Capricorn, and is in his Fall here. A negative indication. This period is lacking in the beneficence of Jupiter.

Let's move on to the Minor Time Lords. The second zoidion being released is Aquarius, so it is Saturn who is the 2nd Time Lord in the Aphesis.

Natally, Saturn is the malefic of the sect in favour, in his own domicile in Capricorn, and in the favourable but cadent 9th Place. Saturn is above average in your chart, so I'd say that he is well-placed.

During the time period of 13-20 Feb 2008, however, he was in Virgo, where he lacked dignities, and he was retrograde. This signifies difficulties. Of what kind? Well, for a start, since both planets (Jupiter and Saturn) relates to Capricorn, the 9th Place in your chart, I'd say a problem that relates to one's education, spirituality/religion, travels, etc.

To makes matters more complicated, the 3rd Time Lord is Virgo, this re-activates Saturn and also takes Mercury into account for the times. Now, Mercury was in Aquarius during this time, where it was not connected to Virgo, and it was also retrograde. Saturn and Mercury, both being in each other's signs, mutually receive each other, but they do not aspect each other. They are also both retrograde.

The 4th Time Lord is Sagittarius, and later on Capricorn takes over. All this does is emphasise the positions of Jupiter and Saturn.

From this, I infer delays or reversal of circumstances in one's education or spirituality/religion, or other matters relating to the 9th Place, or to Jupiter. Please note that Jupiter does signify education/philosophy/knowledge, religion, and friends, among other things. You may have had some problems with friends as well during this period. Monetary problems and issues with one's public life/reputation may have also occurred.



Mar 30, 2008


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Annual Profections: ASC -> Sagittarius
Aphesis: Sagittarius -> Aquarius -> Libra -> Scorpio/Sagittarius
Arrivals: Jupiter(Capricorn), Saturn(Virgo), Venus(Pisces), Mars(Cancer)

Since this day is a week after your birthday, the Annual Profections has changed. Now the Ascendant is profected to Sagittarius, making Jupiter even more important in determining the quality of the times.

Jupiter is still in Fall though, and Saturn is still retrograde in Virgo. One positive benefic effect is that Venus is the 3rd Time Lord, and it is in its Exaltation. Still, the 4th Time Lord is Scorpio or Sagittarius, so the planet which carries out the matter given by Jupiter is either Mars or Jupiter himself. Mars is in his Fall and is in opposition to Jupiter, and Jupiter is also in his Fall. Mars and Jupiter mutually receive either other by Exaltation, but both are in Fall. The sextile ray that Venus strikes Jupiter with is too weak, unable to undo the negative force of this negative mutual reception.

Usually when I think of Mars/Jupiter influences, I'd say it has something to do with public affairs/reputation, leadership, or business, or monetary issues. When the combination is negative, I say that there is quarrel and treachery among friends.



Apr-May 2008 - Education/Reputation problems

Annual Profections: ASC -> Sagittarius
Aphesis: Sagittarius -> Aquarius -> Libra/Scorpio/Sagittarius
Arrivals: Jupiter(Capricorn), Saturn(Virgo), Venus(Pisces), Mars(Cancer)

I am sure you can see the pattern now. The main culprits are Jupiter and Mars. In early May, Saturn goes direct, but around 8 or 9 May, Jupiter goes retrograde instead, so the problem isn't getting better. Mars also leaves Cancer around the time Jupiter started walking backwards.

All-in-all, that Jupiter was the main star that was problematic with regards to your education and reputation. It also got the cooperation from both malefics, which gave it more destructive potency.


At this point, I want to make a note about Jupiter. Two of Jupiter's significations are friends and money. Pisces is in the 11th Place in your Natal chart, which also concerns friends, gifts and preferment. Mercury is in Pisces. Thus, Jupiter and Mercury are in mutual reception by domicile, and they aspect each other. They are also in their Exiles/Detriment, for their Domiciles are opposite each other (Pisces is opposite Virgo, Sagittariu is opposite Gemini). Mars is also in Gemini, being badly placed himself.

Jupiter's Natal position and everything else mentioned above, tells me that your friendships tend to be...shall I say, transactional in nature. Many of your friends befriend you because they want something from you (2nd Place), whether it be your money or personal belongings. Sometimes they want to "do business" with you, for example, they may want to trade something with you, or they want you to buy something for them, or they want to sell you something, etc.

I don't necessarily see transactional relationships as something bad, but being that the rulers of the 11th and 2nd Places are not that well-placed, I suggest that you exercise caution when making exchanges with acquaintances or friends. It is good to evaluate carefully what you are getting into before making a big investment.



Jan 14, 2009 - Love problems



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Annual Profections: ASC -> Sagittarius
Aphesis: Sagittarius -> Aquarius -> Scorpio -> Aries
Arrivals: Jupiter(Aquarius), Saturn(Virgo), Mars(Capricorn)

Hmm, I don't know exactly why you had love issues here. But...let's see. Jupiter has finally left Capricorn and entered Aquarius, where it is a Trigon Lord. Saturn is retrograde again though, and although Jupiter is in Saturn's domicile, they do not testify to each other by aspect. Saturn is not dignified in Virgo, and is found to be diametrical to Venus (representing yourself, among other things). Finally, the 3rd and 4th Time Lords are the same, Mars.

Mars is Exalted in Capricorn, so it should be better behaved, but it is under the rays of the Sun, which is generally bad. Maternus, however, stated that some astrologers in his day regarded a combust Mars as being a good influence because it is then subservient to the Sun or something like that. I will go with a more canon interpretation and say that combustion is negative here. Jupiter and Mars do not testify to each other, which can be a problem, as Mars may not carry out the matters given to him by Jupiter according to Jupiter's intentions. Finally, Saturn is in trine to and receives Mars, while Mars is in a weak, separating sextile relationship with Venus.

Initially I thought that Mars in Capricorn may make the outcome positive, but now I think that the quality of the times here is mediocre. Note that Mars rules over the 7th and 12th Places in your chart, so it signifies, among other things, your partner. It seems to me that the lady broke up with you to pursue a relationship with another man (Saturn). He was likely older than you or her, or in a position of authority, and may have attended the same school as you or her.



Apr-Dec 2009 - All Kinds of Problems


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Annual Profections: ASC -> Capricorn
Aphesis: Sagittarius -> Aquarius/Pisces
Arrivals: Jupiter(Aquarius), Saturn(Virgo)

The time period is too long here, I will only consider the 1st and 2nd Time Lords. These would be Jupiter and Saturn. Again, these are main influences in your life during this period. :)

The Annual Profection goes to the 9th Place of religion/spirituality/philosophy/knowledge, and of travels. Saturn rules over this place and for the most part, he was in Virgo until the end of October 2009, where he moves to Libra, where he is Exalted and finally regards Jupiter by trine. Jupiter stayed in Aquarius for the most part, but does not aspect Saturn. Jupiter also relates to spirituality/religion/philosophy/knowledge/etc.

Your comment on this period caught my attention: "...unimaginable hell on all fronts, many beliefs I had about many things changed in this period..."

Religion and spirituality is largely about beliefs, and philosophy too is significantly affected by our beliefs. We do not -really- know what life is about (its meaning, its purpose, its nature etc), nor whether the after-life exists. Even if the after-life exists, we do not know for certain how it is like. So we are left to our imagination and senses to consider several possibilities, and then to choose to believe in some of these possibilities.

If you remember, I stated that dignified malefics sometimes to try give you "prosperity through adversity"? This period is probably one of those. Since Saturn does not regard Jupiter (the benefic of the sect in favour), and it is not well-placed, it introduces adversities in your life. But Saturn is well-placed in your chart, so I infer that Saturn's intention is ultimately to -help- you. But it is naturally malefic and during this period, it is not well-placed, so despite its good intentions, it brought harm to your life.

These experiences changed your beliefs about life, because the Annual Profection to the 9th puts spirituality/beliefs into focus, because Saturn is Time Lord and it rules over the 9th, and because Jupiter is activated and one of its natural significations is spirituality/religion/etc.



Jan-Oct 2010 - A moment of reprieve

This period is similar to the period above, except that since Saturn moved to Libra in November 2009, its maleficence starts to reduce, gradually. In March 2010, the Annual Profections goes to the next sign, which is Aquarius, and this is again, Saturn's year. Since the 10th Place is operative and more benefic than the 9th Place, and since Saturn is in Libra, the difficulties become less. Note that since Libra corresponds to the 6th Place in your Natal chart, it is by no means a positive place, so it's expected that there aren't many good things to talk about during that period either. Furthermore, Jupiter moved into Pisces in mid-Jan, where it is in its Domicile, so the difficulties are further reduced because of this. However, since Jupiter is not longer in aspect with Saturn, again, great things did not come out of this period.



Oct-Dec 2010 - Nothing manifested, no progress, things remained "depressive"

During this period, Annual Profections is still to the 10th Place, so Saturn is a Time Lord. Jupiter remains to be the 1st Time Lord in the Zodiacal Releasing while Mars took over as 2nd Time Lord because Aries got activated in late August 2010.

Now Aries is the 12th Place in your Natal chart, and the 12th Place relates to depression, distress, injuries, enemies and the like. In addition, this place falls from the pivot; it is a cadent place, unable to bring about positive effects. So it is not entirely surprising that nothing manifested and things remained "depressive" for you, especially since Mars is badly placed in the Natal chart and is naturally malefic. When Mars is malefic, it brings about anxieties as well. During these three months, Mars went from Scorpio, to Sagittarius, to Capricorn. It is dignified in two of these places, but it seems that due to its negative placement in the Natal Chart, it simply was not enough to bring about a positive situation.

Ah, I have to note that from 1 October 2010 to 31 December 2010, Venus (signifying you) remains largely in Scorpio. At some time, it went retrograde and goes back to Libra briefly, before coming back to Scorpio again. Venus is in her Exile/Detriment in Scorpio, so this may be another testimony on your difficulties with getting things going.



Mar-Sep 2011 - Troubles

March 2011 is where the Annual Profections moved to Pisces, the 11th Place. Again, this emphasises Jupiter, especially since it is still the Major Time Lord in the Zodiacal Releasing. Mars remains the 2nd Time Lord because Aries is still activated during this period.

Here, Jupiter gradually moved from Pisces to Aries, and this Place is activated in the Zodiacal Releasing. It certainly testifies to the troubles you face. The 12th Place is, in my opinion, very destructive to our minds. Its brings on anxieties and fears, especially when this Place is Aries (which, in terms of body parts, is associated with the head), which is a domicile of Mars. It makes us worry unnecessarily over things that may turn out to be trivial. Jupiter is diametrical to a retrograde Saturn in Libra, which may also be an issue, especially because both are transiting the 12th and 6th Places respectively.

There are other details, like Jupiter moving on to Taurus after some time, and Mars travelling around 5 signs, but in general, the times were not that beneficial.



Sep 2011 - Downward spiral, lost optimissim, increased anxiety, fear

Can we stop here? I'm tired. XD

One day later...

Okay let's continue.

Annual Profections: ASC -> Pisces/Aries/Taurus
Aphesis: Sagittarius -> Aries/Taurus/Gemini

This time-frame is too big, but we can see that the main planets are still in play: Jupiter and Mars. In March 2012, Annual Profections goes to the 12th Place, which is notorious for inflicting mental distress, as I have noted before.

Let's consider Venus's Natal condition. It is a benefic contrary to the sect in favour, in its Exaltation, and in the favourable 11th Place. It being in the last degree of the sign is a potential malefication. It is also invisible, under the rays of the Sun. But according to several sources, planets in their domiciles or exaltations or confines are considered to be in their own "chariots", being capable even if under the Sun's beams. So it is not as if Venus is rendered completely powerless by the Sun here.

All-in-all, I judge this Venus to be above average in favourability.

If we look at the arrivals (transits) of the planets when Aries hands over to Taurus in the Aphesis:

We find that Venus and Jupiter are in mutual reception, but without any aspect. Both planets are placed in signs where they are not dignified. Jupiter is also retrograde here. Thus the benefics offer little help in alleviating your distress.

From 30th August 2010 to 23rd November 2011, Aries/Mars had plenty of time to inflict injuries and/or mental distress. When Venus received ownership over the times, it had little power to reverse the situation. So this is really an issue of Mars' momentum rather than being forsaken by Venus. Not to mention, in 23rd March 2012, Aries got activated again, which continued this theme of psychological misery.

Taurus then hands over the times to Gemini in mid July 2012, so let's see what the arrivals look like at this time:

Mercury is in Leo, undignified, and retrograde. Not much help. Jupiter is in Gemini, in his Exile (opposite his own sign). They are in a hexagonal relationship, better than nothing but not great.



Oct 2013-Jun 2014 - Betrayal of friend

Annual Profections: ASC -> Taurus/Gemini
Aphesis: Sagittarius -> Gemini/Cancer

Not gonna go deep here, but the profection of the ASC to the 2nd Place activates the planets there: Jupiter and Mars. These two are the main problematic planets in your chart in my opinion. Yes, Jupiter represents friends (naturally and because he rules the 11th Place) while Mars signifies strife, betrayal, ursuping, quarrels, etc. It is the 2nd Place, so maybe the object of the argument was money, personal belongings, or something of the sort.

Interesting that you mentioned it started around Oct 2013, because around that time, the 3rd Time Lord in the Aphesis is Pisces. Again, Jupiter is activated.

If we look at the transits when Pisces takes over from Aquarius:

Notice that Venus is in Exile in Scorpio (this signifies you), while Jupiter is Exalted in Cancer, but cadent (your friend). Also notice the Lord of Scorpio, Mars is dominating Venus from the right, within 2 degrees. The fact that Mercury, the Lord of the 2nd Place in your Natal chart, is also in Taurus and is affected by Mars as well, makes it pretty symbolic.

To me it seems that your friend who 'betrayed' you got the better end of the deal in doing so, if we compare the difference in dignities between Venus and Jupiter.



Mar 22-Aug 28 2015 - Cutting of family ties, anger and resentment

Annual Profections: ASC -> Gemini/Cancer
Aphesis: Sagittarius -> Cancer

Looking at the Solar Revolutions:

Sun and Mars in Aries, your natal 12th Place. They are both dignified here. Sun is ruler of the natal 4th Place, which concerns family. Mars is ruler of the natal 12th Place, so not surprisingly, you were angered by your family and resented them. According to Robert Schmidt, Mars' nature is 'to sever and separate', likely symbolic of the response you took in response to your feelings towards your family.



22 Dec 2015-Now - Humiliation by family in front of others

Annual Profections: ASC -> Cancer
Aphesis: Capricorn -> Capricorn -> Leo (22 Dec 2015)

Leo is activated in the Aphesis, which concerns family. Since this is still the same year (note the Solar Revolutions posted above), it isn't surprising that it still carries similar themes.



Sorry for the long read. I hope this has helped clarify why these things happened to you. To summarise, your problems were mostly due to Jupiter and Mars, with Saturn and the Sun sometimes frustrating the situation.



2)"aside from Saturn and Venus, all the other planets are either mediocre or even harmful, when the time is right."

Is it a general statement or specific to my chart?


It is specific to your chart. Jupiter and Venus are naturally benefic, while Mars and Saturn are naturally malefic. The Sun is neutral but veers towards malefic, in my opinion. The Moon is naturally benefic. Mercury participates in both benefic and malefic activities, and is rather indifferent to either side.

But in your chart, the circumstantially benefic planets are Venus and Saturn.



3) So is it going to stay like that all my life? Considering I didn't have that Problem before , I was hoping it's simply a confidence problem and one, which after good times (if it comes) will get vanished


I wish I could predict the future, but I am not that skilled. All I can say is that life tends to follow a trend, so some problems may arise again and again. On the other hand, some things are linear; happens once, and then never again. Determining which planets does which is gonna take a lot of analysis on the Time Lords though.

One thing you can take comfort in is that when the Time Lords are well-placed, it is possible to get some rest from the difficulties, and these periods can help you recover from the misfortunes.

In particular, I want to point out the upcoming period when Saturn finally arrives at Capricorn (I am waiting for it myself :)). This occurs in December 2017. This 2.5 years may help you to recover since the major Time Lord will be Capricorn for you for the next 28+ years. The subsequent 2.5 years in which Saturn is in Aquarius may also help, though it does not aspect Capricorn here.



To close, I would like to say that:

1) You should be careful when dealing with friends and acquaintances.

Sometimes they will try to strike a deal at your expense. Consider the deals carefully, and beware when they try to invite you to suspicious places.

2) Similarly, it seems that the women who date you tend to do so because they are interested in your money or belongings (Mars, Lord of 7th Place, in the 2nd Place), or they want to obtain gifts or preferment in doing so (Mercury, Lord of 5th Place, in the 11th Place). It's not necessarily bad, in my opinion, just be aware of it, and don't be naive.

3) Your family, particularly your father, delights in your humiliation/suffering. Distancing yourself from him was probably a good choice. For your mental health. Maybe even consider moving out to a residence far enough from your parents.



As for dealing with your psychological issues as a result of your life experiences, I suppose meditation will help. I would personally recommend Dharana. The initial stage is where you imagine one of the five tattvas in your mind. The five tattvas are the yellow square (Earth), the silver crescent (Water), the blue circle (Air), the red triangle (Fire) and the black oval (Spirit/Aether). Just maintain an image of one of these shapes in your mind for a period of time. Focus on it alone.

I also tried things like Pranayama (breathing control) and Asana (posture control). There are also other esoteric practises like the LBRP (if you're into Hermeticism) that may help.



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