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Mercury onto SATURN favorably placed increase reputation

and bring acquisition,
harm enemies, provide benefits from ancient unions, trade and matters.
When unfavorably placed, they indicate lawsuits, unemployment,
debt, harm from friends, servants and treachery.



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SATURN EXALTATION = Libra 21
AFFINITY WITH THE PLACES
Saturn - Libra as IC aka death - opposite MC


The Scales exalt Saturn
for they are the Anti-Midheaven of the Universe
changeable
cooling
and death-bringing because of the subterranean, opposing the Sun,
superior to Capricorn
and
configured through superior trigon with Aquarius - its own domicile.

The 21st degree is especially exalting because of Alpha Librae.
Saturn is ''...depressed...'' in Aries for it afflicts kingship
with extremely dry qualities.


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the following useful advice is
provided by greybeard

Quote:

HOUSES DO NOT RULE PLANETS.


PLANETS RULE SIGNS

and a sign ruled by a particular planet appears on the cusp of some house.

The planet that rules the sign on the cusp of a house is lord of that house, its ruler.

The ruler of a house has dominion over the affairs of the house
and of any planets found within the boundaries of the sign it rules.

Whether the ruler operates for good or evil depends on its conditioning
for which there are many measurements.

A planet in a house operates most strongly there because directly,
although its behavior is determined by its ruler, even though indirect.
Rather than "ruler"
we might say that the planet ruling the sign on a cusp "disposes" that house
and whatever it contains.

Houses are fixed in relation to Earth.
They are earth-bound, or mundane, and symbolize "surrounding circumstances".

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concept of "essential dignities" in astrology
looking in-depth at the categories of rulership

and

detriment or exile
as well as exaltation

and fall aka depression.
acommon misconceptions about planetary dignities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvDQiISa7SY


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ON THE DIVISION OF TIMES
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121677

SATURN favorably placed by day
causes profit from vigorous efforts and hard work, ancient trades,
mysteries, legacy, relatives, elders, property and land
and the times become good for everything.

When unfavorably placed by night
it makes difficulties in everything
inactivity, bodily illness and dangers, losses, poverty, penalties, h
arm, judgements and deaths of relatives
dismantling of ancient things, quarrels with elders
deceptions and extortions of friends
troubles from lands and foundations
and from the places that SATURN governs at the nativity

SATURN onto Jupiter favorably placed by day

are productive of prosperity, notable friendships and acquisitions.
When unfavorably placed by night
they fine and damage what is being completed
harm relatives, they bring toil and the reduction of wealth.

SATURN onto Mars favorably placed make troubles and setbacks.

When unfavorably placed
they make those who are discouraged and not eager
they gather up enemies and trouble
and sickness with Mercury.

SATURN onto Sun favorably placed by day

cause high rank and wealth.
When unfavorably placed by night
they portend dangers from authorities and travel
unemployment, penalties, dimming of vision
and harm to the father.

SATURN onto Venus favorably placed

indicate success in business and marriage for the unmarried.
When unfavorably placed
they cause disturbances of friendship and love
and changes of affairs.

SATURN onto Mercury favorably placed by day

indicate great advancement and increase of wealth.
When unfavorably placed by night
they bring about the chilling of business
contentions, debts, sickness
deceptions in business and harm from speech.

SATURN onto Moon unfavorably placed cause uproars

bodily illness, the reduction of possessions
and harm to the mother.
When favorably placed
the time is profitable and productive of alliance.

Jupiter onto SATURN favorably placed by day

cause advancement, association with the great
the alleviation of distress
nativities spend freely and manage the work of others.
When unfavorably placed by night
they cause turbulent times
oppression by superiors
and grief from relatives.


Published under Open Access 2020
MARTIN GANSTEN

'A Note on the Indian Planetary Exaltations and their Greek-Language Sources'.
https://journals.library.ualberta.ca...rticle/view/66






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and it's annual aspects:

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HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY uses CHRONOCRATORS
Chrono = Time
Crator = Ruler
aka TIME RULERS
aka TIME LORDS

Valens explains in Book Seven that
there can be - and often are - at any one time, several Time Lords
and so

according to Valens if these Time Lords are all benefics
the judgement is for a beneficial year.
but if these TIME LORDS are all benefics mixed with malefics as well
then the judgement is for a mixed year
If these TIME LORDS are all malefics judgement is for a difficult year

Vettius Valens explains in detail in THE ANTHOLOGY
FREE to read online pdf translated from the original Ancient Greek
at
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

Book Seven of THE ANTHOLOGY by Vettius Valens states
'....Take the ascensional time of a sign
and count it up with the period of the planet in this sign.
The sum gives a particular year.

TABLE OF ASCENSIONAL ARCS OF ZODIAC SIGNS
is viewable at http://www.projecthindsight.com/imag...nsionTimes.pdf

Rhetorius translation by James Holden provides a chart example
which states that effect of planet lasts until its period ends.
more info for interested at https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/i...XVZVt6W9a7SJq0

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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


'...He does not easily get angry
and if he were angry
he would not be able to rule his own mind.
He wishes good to no one.


And he signifies old men
and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs
and sorrow and the complication of the mind.
And fraud and affliction and difficulty and loss;
also ancestors and what is left behind by the dead
mourning, and being orphaned, and old things.
Even grandfathers and fathers and brothers
and senior people and slaves
and mule drivers and men who are blamed
and robbers and those who dig up graves
and who rob the garments of the dead.



And fitters of leather and those who blame things.
He signifies magicians and masters of discord
and low-class men and eunuchs.
and a scarcity of speaking
and the knowledge of secrets
and one does not know what is in his mind
nor does a wise person make disclosures to him
about every obscure matter
And he signifies austerity and the ascetics of religions....'
[From Gr. Intr. VII.9.1390-1423]


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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...9&postcount=10
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...............doesn't Saturn sometimes give great wealth and power to nativities
and doesn't he sometimes cause great afflictions?

Yes, of course
but that has to do with his harmonious or disharmonious relationship
with the planet/angle/lot
through the different aspects
and natures of the subjects.

So

combining essential and accidental dignity
into the same concept
does not prevent us from making these distinctions
while I would argue that too much emphasis
on the essential dignity could prevent someone
making this distinction in the particular cases

- for example when it helps rank with trine to the Sun
from Aquarius by day, but

causes divorce
with square to the Moon in a dual sign in a male nativity
Aquarius is not going to help the first and mitigate the latter
I argue that is going to increase
and
actualize the effects of both.

Powerful Saturn at the nativity
does not mean that it will give only very good or very evil at all times
(though it certainly can exceed in one direction)
if you use the recasting of horoscopes at solar and lunar revolutions
planets change their powers
which allows for differentiation in the chronocratorship.

You can't make this important differentiation
if you only use primary directions, profections or what have you
with the nativity though.
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PLANETS DIGNIFIED IN AQUARIUS




SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is dignified
not only
by sign
but also
is dignified in diurnal charts
ss daytime triplicity ruler Aquarius

MERCURY is dignified in nocturnal charts as night-time triplicity ruler.


Planets Debilitated in Aquarius = Sun by DETRIMENT



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Appearance

When the dodekatemoria of the Hour-Marker, the Moon and the Lot of Fortune
fall in masculine images, they cause male nativities, and
they make females when they fall in feminine images.


Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Schmidt, R. Hephaistio of Thebes Apotelesmatics Book II. Project Hindsight.
Sidonius, D., & Pingree, D. (1976). Carmen astrologicum. Pingree (Hrsg.), Dorothei Sidonii Carmen Astrologicum, Leipzig.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from

https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


anyone keen to calculate dodekatemoria of the Hour-Marker,
the Moon and the Lot of Fortune
kaktuzz FREE online traditional software
is at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

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I just recently downloaded Morinus software and it gave me some inspiration

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calculator has features such as: 7 main planets; Terms; Lot of Fortune; Lot of Spirit; Whole sign houses; Firdaria periods calculator;
Dodecatemoria calculator; Prenatal syzygy chart...

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"...SYZYGY...”

refers to

Full or New Moon
directly preceding the natal

BOUND lord of SYZYGY is NOT the DECAN Lord

The BOUNDS are a system of dividing each zodiacal sign into 5 unequal regions
The regions are called BOUNDS or TERMS.
Each of the five bounds of a sign is ruled by one of the five planets

i.e.
the non-Lights.


Egyptian Bounds - some variation in ancient literature
in which bounds were of different lengths or ruled by different planets.
For instance, check out the different table of bounds at Altair astrology.

However, the so-called EGYPTIAN BOUNDS are independently attested in many ancient sources.

Additionally, the EGYPTIAN BOUNDS have been found in early horoscopes recovered by archaeologists

Using Bounds
The bound ruler of a planet or point, such as the Ascendant
has an influence over the nature of that planet or point.
The bound is link between the two.

SIGNS as the houses of the planets
and the BOUNDS are comparable to their rooms.

Additionally, the bounds are key
to certain predictive techniques in Hellenistic and Persian astrology.
For instance
the bound ruler of the directed Ascendant
an important time lord



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by the way



the Moon WHEN VISIBLE
is visible solely because

Moon REFLECTS the LIGHT of the SUN

and


SATURN sole DOMICILE ruler of Aquarius

is visible also
by REFLECTING the LIGHT of the SUN







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SATURN sole domicile ruler of AQUARIUS depicts
someone who is characterised by austerity or seriousness.


If Saturn is dignified and well placed, they are inclined to think before they speak
and as a consequence their words carry weight.
Such a person is not to be lightly dismissed

Lilly describes Saturnine types as profound in imagination, severe in acts,
in labour patient, in arguing or disputing grave
in obtaining the goods of this life studious and solicitous.
Their sense of humour is dry and earthy
based on observing the reality of life
They seldom throw caution to the wind
and are always aware of a sense of responsibility to themselves and others.
They do not display their emotions easily
but their emotions, like their imaginations, can be profound.
Such individuals are observably deep, sincere
and generally gather respect.
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Every kind of honour
is divined from

the nature of attending stars



for SATURN brings about power

based on wealth and amassing of treasure

The images and the stars cause the beginning of matters
the houserulers cause the end of matters.


SATURN and Mars are always bad
and they are better ascending
only when exceptionally placed.

They are exceedingly bad for the respective image
when ascending without benefic testimony,

and

when they are rising and culminating with undistinguished nativities
they make destitutes, wicked, disabled, and those who are short-lived.
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New daily calendar - Rising, Culminating and Settings times of the planets
(Planet conjunctions with ASC, MC and DESC angles for any geo location)

horoscopes.astro-seek.com/rising-and-setting-times-of-the-planets-online-astrology-calculator



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Of the seven metals, Saturn rules lead
which has a very dull surface
and makes a thick, heavy sound when struck.
Lead is also the heaviest, the most stable
and the most inert metal
the traditional metal of tombs.

Lead poisoning was originally referred to as 'Saturnism'
because the physical ailments of ingesting small quantities of lead include
fatigue, depression and melancholia.
Lead collects in bone tissue
and is more prevalent in the bones of old people than those of the young.

Nick Kollerstrom in his book ASTROCHEMISTRY
explores the link between Saturn, lead and Saturnism
reminding us that the effects of lead poisoning
are to 'slow down' the mental processes of the mind.
Saturn also rules all ordinary country stones that have no glitter and shine.
It is said to rule the dross of all metals and the dust, ash and rubbish of everything.
It does however, have some rulership over diamonds
the hardest mineral, derived from crystallised carbon.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html


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Indeed. All of these are related in some way.

I've always found it interesting that Saturn
tends to produce restrictions and pains

due to the lack of solar and lunar qualities it lacks.
It is the planet
that opposes the rulership of the Moon and the Sun, after all.

A lack of moisture and a lack of heat
makes the natives lack connection with their own emotions
and others' (Moon) while also a lack of will to act (Solar).
SATURN is cold
and
dry
and inimical to life

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In nativities
malefics are better when they are post-ascending
for then they do not harm the stars and images that are ascending.
They are best when ascending and favorably placed
for then they bring good fortune.
Inoperative stars cause reversals and weakness.
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It definitely is more devastating than Mars, which only sins in regards to having a lack of empathy.

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Mars is burning and drying, malefic, masculine and nocturnal. Pyroeis makes those born under him red and white in complexion, tall, robust, gray-eyed, with thick hair, somewhat curly, having excess of hot and dry when morning rising, and red, of middle height, with small eyes, not much hair on the body, straight yellow hair, having excess of dry when evening rising, and in general, natural, grim, resourceful, passionate, drinking, turbulent, relentless, challenging and confident. Mars controls force, wars, robbery, screams, violence, the loss of property, whoring, banishment, exile, alienation from parents, captivity, corruption of women, abortions, sexual intercourse, the loss of good things, lies, vain hopes, violent theft, banditry, plundering, disputes between friends, wrath, fighting, verbal abuse, hatred, lawsuits, shouting, violent murder, slashing and bloodshed, attacks of fever, boils, burns, imprisonment, torture, courage, false oaths, wandering, decoration of clothing, excelling at villainy, those who work with fire and iron, artisans, masons, leadership, military service, high-ranking officers, soldiers, supremacists, hunting, wine, falling from heights and four-footed animals, poor vision, apoplexy and falling on the back, the muscular system, the urinary system, the lower gastrointestinal tract, weapons, iron, reddish colours and acid tastes. It is chronocrator over late adulthood up to the 56th year.

Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

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I'd say Saturn is more of a powerful influence than many other planets.
It rules time, reality. The cold, hard truth - as it's often said.
'....Saturn brings about power based on wealth and amassing of treasure...'


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The Fifth House is also known as "...the Good Fortune..."
this place was considered to give signs for children.
When one of the water signs governs this place
it is said to be an indicator of fertility and abundance of children.

HOWEVER

The malefics were thought to be indicators of
the inability to have children especially in the case of SATURN.
In modern times, while this can still be true
Saturn has taken on the role of scientist
indicating that while the couple may still be naturally barren
they may still have children with the help of science.
This place also gives signs to the parent
as to what their relationship to their children will be like.
William Lilly wrote in "...Christian Astrology..."
that if Saturn, Mars or the South Node be in the 5th house
then the children will not be easily regulated
and are very averse to the parents.

Because the 5th is symbolic of the creative process
and at the biological level, children are the result.
On an emotional level, this is the house of our romantic lives
our playfulness
or recreation.
It is about having fun.
August when Sun is in the 5th sign every year
people commonly go to parks, fairgrounds, or on vacation.
After this comes labor day, Virgo
signifying that the party is over.
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But it's not the worst place.

NEVERTHELESS

5th isn't the best placement for Saturn
because fun just isn't in Saturn's vocabulary
neither is speculation or gambling
so any risk taking
is likely to bring negative consequences.


Even with the best expression of Saturn
spontaneity is likely to be a problem.
Saturn functions best here by being
very conservative in these matters.
You are also likely to run into unreasonable opposition
from others who do not want you to show your talents
especially if you are gifted in the arts.
The key to overcoming these difficulties lies in being conscious
overcoming any agnoia of what you produce and its effects upon others.

If you have children
they are likely to be very serious in temperament
or few in number, possibly an only child.
It is also possible that
it is an indication that the first born is destined to greatness

Thinking in terms of the process starting with the 1st
the 5th represents our coming out of our shell
- the 4th -
to show ourselves.
and our investments of ourselves in others.

This can take a material form as well
in terms of the investments we make on stocks.
The post ascensional houses
succedent
represent a cycle of the flow of capital.
The second represents our having capital.
The 5th therefore, since it is the 90 degree outgoing square
represents a challenge to what we have
signifying our expendatures and spending habits.
source: The Lost Horoscope X Files http://www.zodiac-x-files.com/


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That is why Jupiter is better than Saturn.
Unless he's inflating something horrible, then...well...
On that topic, Jup is in Aqua again, right?
Does it see (inflate) the incoming dreadful combo of Sun/Mars/Mercury?


GENERALISATION is tempting but unreliable
many considerations
including
RECEPTION which I have responded to on another thread,
apply


Reception by Domicile & Reception by Exaltation
are called "...Perfect Reception..."
and hold the most weight.

Receptions by triplicity, term or face are weaker.
technically speaking
reception may be by face alone
or term alone
but it would be a very weak reception

compared to the stronger ones
It's still a reception, just an IMPERFECT RECEPTION.
An imperfect reception isn't that noticeable.
It's there but it's relatively minor.
When the planet has at least two minor dignities that it's received in
THEN pay attention to it as a reception.

Some ancient traditional authors
gave them more weight when the planet is received in two minor dignities.
i.e.
a planet couldn't be received at all with just term, triplicity, or face
- it had to have at least two minor dignities
in order to even qualify as a reception.
Understanding what each of the dignities do
and
how they are different from each other
THEN it's clearer
that reception by anything other than Domicile and Exaltation
is WEAK
i.e.

common analogy is that no-one but the owner
or steward of the house
has the authority to invite anyone into that house
and allow anyone to use its resources.

So being a triplicity lord
and
being a bound lord
is not the same as being the Domicile lord.
NEVERTHELESS
A planet in its term has its nature reinforced
and
a planet in triplicity is supported.
The planet may not be the domicile lord
but it does have something to offer, even in that state.


study earliest available texts from the earliest to Lilly
and you'll see a subtle shift
in the way the minor dignities are interpreted.
Realisation of this subtlety adds to one's predictions. Instead of saying

'...Saturn in his own bounds is a little dignified...'
one can say
'....Saturn in his own bounds means that he will produce his own significations
while setting his own limits on these outcomes'


The analogies given by later astrologers
tend the emphasise the differing strengths of the dignities
but not the different functions.
Originally, Domicile lord seen as the steward of the house
Exaltation lord the owner who visits only occasionally
i.e.
it is a big deal when they are in residence
and
Bound lord is a servant attached to a particular room
like a chef or cook

The overall condition of the house
that is the building itself, by analogy
is found by its position from the ascendant and its aspects.
How well it is run, its relationship to its domicile lord
and that lord's condition.
Its occupants exact roles and manifestation is found via their bound lord.

Each planet works in the house it is in
WITH the Domicile lord hinting at
what end and purpose
and then
the Bound lord shows how it attempts to achieve that purpose.


Perfect Reception is by Sign, Exaltation
Triplicity AND Term
or
Triplicity AND Decan.
Reception is about "...allowing..."
A Planet that receives another Planet
is allowing that Planet to act.
When you come into my home (Sign/Exaltation)
you can eat all my food, drink all my beer
swim in my pool, shower.







a few significations of the Water-Pourer:
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Hellenistic Astrology - Zodiac
The image of the Water-Pourer aka AQUARIUS is masculine, diurnal, solid, watery
human, servile, eloquent, semi-infertile, handsome, standing
and of the east wind.

It indicates inquiries, affairs, crafts, water and property.
Depending on the placement of the houseruler
men born under the influence of Aquarius are burdened, envious, lying,
occasionally generous because of the uncontrollable flow of the Water-Pourer,
craftsmen, public, mystical, youthful, delicate, with beautiful figure and eyes
smooth hair, dizzy, beautiful manners, white, working with hard materials,
troubled by athletic training, artisans, wealthy, malicious
haters of their own families, incorrigible
making living by waterside places, betrayers of reputation and truth,
accusers, haters of mankind, godless and uncontrollable.
Domicile of Saturn, it controls the lower legs, the skeletal system,
the lymphatic system and the immune system.


The first 7 belong to Mercury - mastery, lovers of wisdom
The next 6 belong to Venus - friendships with great women
The next 7 belong to Jupiter - notable, some are winners of games
The next 5 belong to Mars - lawsuits, injuries, some die violent deaths
The final 5 belong to Saturn - education, grief in youth

Shoulders, Left Arm and Cloak - Saturn and Mercury
Thighs - Mercury and moderately Saturn
Water - Saturn and moderately Jupiter

Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars as made by our predecessors.


Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae: accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri. Retrieved from
https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf
JUPITER significations:

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Hellenistic Astrology - Seven Stars

Jupiter completes 6 sidereal cycles and 65 synodic cycles with 71 years.
It has retreating arcs of 10 degrees for 120 days.


Jupiter is heating and moderately moistening, benefic, masculine and diurnal.
Phaethon makes those born under him light, of good colour,
moderately curling hair, large eyes, tall, commanding respect,
having excess of hot and moist when morning rising
and light, with lank hair, bald in the front and on the crown
with average stature, having excess of moist when evening rising,
and in general, cooperating, distinguished, advising, truthful,
beneficent, efficient and outgoing.

Jupiter controls begetting of children, childbirth, faith, love, desire,
alliance, knowledge, justice, friendship with great men, prosperity,
payments, large gifts, abundance of profits, governments, honours,
authority over temples, arbitration of disputes, brotherhood,
fellowship, inheritances, adoption, fidelity, the livelihood of the father
confirmation of good things, deliverance from bad things, freedom,
entrustments, treasures, stewardship, athleticism and zealotry,
the reproductive system, the digestive system, the integumentary system
sacred objects, tin, brilliant colours and sweet tastes.
It is chronocrator over early old age up to the 68th year.

Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

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SATURN transits each house for 2.5 YEARS
UNLESS RETROGRADE


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Robert Schmidt http://www.projecthindsight.com/

highlights Greek astrologers used metaphor
to convey the idea of the functions of the various planets
based on the Greeks being a seafaring nation
who two thousand years ago navigated the oceans
using sailing ships


hence


THE HELLENISTIC NAUTICAL METAPHOR



The ship itself
is
the native’s life
as represented by the Predominator


The first and second Trigon Lords
aka Triplicity Lords of the Predominator
are the Winds that carry the ship to its destiny.



The third Trigon aka Triplicity Lord
symbolizes the oars that move the ship.



Oikodespotes aka Domicile Master of the chart
is the ship owner
and
sets the agenda or destiny for the native
BUT
under the restrictions set by the bound ruler of the Predominator.



Kurios aka Lord of the nativity is the Captain of the ship
aka Executor
aka the one responsible
to bring the ship
to the destination set by Oikodespotes aka Domicile Master.


The Ascendant sign is the “...helm...” of the ship
and represents the physical life.


Domicile Lord of the Ascendant is the Helmsman
or the First Officer of the ship.

Lot of Fortune
represents everything that befalls the native
that is not of his or her own doing.


Domicile Lord of the Lot of Fortune
represents the man on the prow of the ship
aka Second Officer
who is on the look out for things/events
that are going to befall the native.

Clearly crucial that Lord of the Lot of Fortune
be able to communicate with the Domicile Master
and
the Ascendant/Helmsman
Lord of the nativity aka Kurios


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HOW SATURN IS AFFECTED BY SECT IN ASTROLOGY


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS IS A DIURNAL PLANET



BRIEF overview of the concept of sect in astrology
which is
the difference between day charts
and night charts.


Sect is a fundamental concept used in Hellenistic astrology
only been recovered over the past THIRTY years
through translations of ancient texts.
this talk gives a broad introduction to sect
first by establishing
how pervasive the concept is in ancient astrology
and then
to demonstrate how it works in practice through chart examples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfPLTQuB9M


In a diurnal chart
the Sun is the sect light AKA the leader of the sect
Jupiter and Saturn are planets of the Dirunal Sect.


If Saturn is above the horizon Diurnally - Saturn is happy

BUT
If below the horizon in the diurnal chart

Saturn is still of the diurnal sect
still of the sect in favour
but is not going to be as happy
as when Saturn is above horizon in diurnal chart


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saturn is the furthest traditional planet from the sun.

.....the sun rules leo.

saturn rules aquarius because it's furthest from the sun,
and
the coldest planet.
aquarius is rigid, cold, dogmatic, impersonal
- that seems to fit saturnian energy pretty well.

saturn diametrically opposes the sun,
which also makes sense here.
that's the actual why in trad astrology.


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Oh, and I really think that Aquarius fits Saturn quite well.
This whole "...hard reality..." theme it has going

really fits with the absolute logic, coldness and aloofness of Aquarius.

Saturn is a very scientific, objective, cautious planet to me.


Traditionally

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Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.



Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

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