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ashe2011

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I had a wedding with a cardinal ascendant with the ruler in a fixed sign

i didnt use electional astrology but now im looking into this and im worried that it'd make my marriage short,would it? :sad:

my ruler(7th house ruler) is in detriment but received by the 1st house ruler(my husband) in his sign

what does the detriment and reception mean? would it make our marriage short? we love each other

how much does the electional chart affect? we have a good synastry and composite

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If we want marriage to last than we must stick to these rules regarding wedding chart:
fixed ASC
Moon must not be in SCo
Ve and Ma must be in easy applaying aspect
Su or Moon must not have applaying aspect with Ur
Ve must be direct
Sa, Ma, Ur, Pl must not be in angular house
ruler of ASC and ruler of DSC must be in easy applaying aspect
Ruler of ASC must not be in conjunction with Sa

You do not post chart so you must look at your chart and see howmany of these need rules you have...
 
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ashe2011

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1st house ruler and 7th house ruler making an easy seperating aspect,is good or bad?


is 1st house ruler and 7th house ruler,venus and mars,sun or moon with Ur only an easy APPLYING aspect?
 
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dr. farr

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Tell you what: there is a great deal of literature re to elections for marriage, in both Western and Vedic astrological traditions. And in fact there are conflicting opinions from the various authorities, and the matter can get really confused. For a marriage which has already taken place, one wants a prognostic from it, so it is, in the the end, an event chart-I've found the most (apparently) accurate indications from a marriage event chart to be delineated by the considerations found in "Carmen Astrologicum" by Dorotheus of Sidon (easily available from many internet sources)

But I have found Maximus "inceptional method" (influenced in its turn by Valens) highly accurate (although not detailed) in real life predicting of how a specific event (regardless of what it was) will be in the beginning and early stages, and how it will eventually turn out in its final result. If you want, post the ascending sign and the Moon sign (and the date of the marriage event) and I'll give you the Maximus "inceptional" indications.
 
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astrologer82

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dr. farr said:
Tell you what: there is a great deal of literature re to elections for marriage, in both Western and Vedic astrological traditions. And in fact there are conflicting opinions from the various authorities, and the matter can get really confused. For a marriage which has already taken place, one wants a prognostic from it, so it is, in the the end, an event chart-I've found the most (apparently) accurate indications from a marriage event chart to be delineated by the considerations found in "Carmen Astrologicum" by Dorotheus of Sidon (easily available from many internet sources)

But I have found Maximus "inceptional method" (influenced in its turn by Valens) highly accurate (although not detailed) in real life predicting of how a specific event (regardless of what it was) will be in the beginning and early stages, and how it will eventually turn out in its final result. If you want, post the ascending sign and the Moon sign (and the date of the marriage event) and I'll give you the Maximus "inceptional" indications.
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i saw your post and im also interested in that
could you please post the real life prediction for cancer ascending sign and leo moon?
many people would be interested in that
if you could post all of the prediction for all signs that'd be helpful
 
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dr. farr

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astrologer82 said:
i saw your post and im also interested in that
could you please post the real life prediction for cancer ascending sign and leo moon?
many people would be interested in that
if you could post all of the prediction for all signs that'd be helpful
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Basically here is how the inceptional method works:

-first you look at the ascending sign and the sign the Moon is in;
:if the sign is cardinal it indicates favorable circumstances in the beginning and early on
:if the sign is cardinal it indicates mixed circumstances, some good, some bad, in the beginning and early on
:if the sign is mutable it indicates difficult circumstances in the beginning and early on
What is the ascendant is one type of sign and the Moon sign is of another type? Then you mix the indications:
For example, Cancer ascending sign and Moon in Leo: that is a mix of a cardinal sign (Cancer) and a fixed sign (Leo): so, that would indicate a mixed (fixed sign influence) beginning/early on period with a predominance of good over bad (the cardinal sign influence)

-then, for the indications of later on, the "final outcome" influences, you find the ruler of the Moon sign, and see what type of sign the ruler of the Moon sign is in: the type of sign (ie, cardinal, fixed, mutable) indications are the same as given above:
:if the sign in which the lord of the Moon sign is placed is cardinal it means good, benefic, positive outcomes
:if that sign is fixed, it means a mixture of good and bad results/the outcome is mixed
:if that sign is mutable, it indicates difficult, hard or generally unfavorable or unsatisfactory final results/outcomes
For example, Moon in Leo means its lord is the Sun: say the Sun were posited in Aries (or Cancer or Libra or Capricorn), that would be a cardinal sign indicating favorable outcome/final result; say the Sun were posited in Scorpio (or Taurus or Aquarius or Leo) that be would a fixed sign indicating a mixed +/- batch of final results/outcomes; say the Sun were in a mutable sign, then the indications would be for disappointing, difficult or otherwise unfavorable outcomes.

That, basically, is the Maximus inceptional method; a somewhat more complex method, still though closely related to this, is the inceptional method of Vettius Valens, from about 2 centuries prior to the time of Maximus.
Now the Maximus method is by no means 100% accurate, but I have found this very simple method to be an easily applied prognostic estimation which usually (in my experience) has turned out to be accurate relative to its generalized indications (favorable, mixed, unfavorable) particularly for the final result/ultimate outcome of the event.
 
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astrologer82

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dr. farr said:
Basically here is how the inceptional method works:

-first you look at the ascending sign and the sign the Moon is in;
:if the sign is cardinal it indicates favorable circumstances in the beginning and early on
:if the sign is cardinal it indicates mixed circumstances, some good, some bad, in the beginning and early on
:if the sign is mutable it indicates difficult circumstances in the beginning and early on
What is the ascendant is one type of sign and the Moon sign is of another type? Then you mix the indications:
For example, Cancer ascending sign and Moon in Leo: that is a mix of a cardinal sign (Cancer) and a fixed sign (Leo): so, that would indicate a mixed (fixed sign influence) beginning/early on period with a predominance of good over bad (the cardinal sign influence)

-then, for the indications of later on, the "final outcome" influences, you find the ruler of the Moon sign, and see what type of sign the ruler of the Moon sign is in: the type of sign (ie, cardinal, fixed, mutable) indications are the same as given above:
:if the sign in which the lord of the Moon sign is placed is cardinal it means good, benefic, positive outcomes
:if that sign is fixed, it means a mixture of good and bad results/the outcome is mixed
:if that sign is mutable, it indicates difficult, hard or generally unfavorable or unsatisfactory final results/outcomes
For example, Moon in Leo means its lord is the Sun: say the Sun were posited in Aries (or Cancer or Libra or Capricorn), that would be a cardinal sign indicating favorable outcome/final result; say the Sun were posited in Scorpio (or Taurus or Aquarius or Leo) that be would a fixed sign indicating a mixed +/- batch of final results/outcomes; say the Sun were in a mutable sign, then the indications would be for disappointing, difficult or otherwise unfavorable outcomes.

That, basically, is the Maximus inceptional method; a somewhat more complex method, still though closely related to this, is the inceptional method of Vettius Valens, from about 2 centuries prior to the time of Maximus.
Now the Maximus method is by no means 100% accurate, but I have found this very simple method to be an easily applied prognostic estimation which usually (in my experience) has turned out to be accurate relative to its generalized indications (favorable, mixed, unfavorable) particularly for the final result/ultimate outcome of the event.
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thanks

i dont understand whats a mixed final result/outcomes for marriage?
sun in leo and its mixed
what does it mean? what'll be the final results?

i couldn't find vettius valens method online,could you please post it?
does it have the meaning of the final results/outcome there?


whats a mixed final results/outcome for marriage? sun in leo?

whens the final result? how long is the beginning and early on?
 
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dr. farr

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1) Valens inceptional method is to be found in his "Anthology", and a version of it is also discussed in "Carmen Astrologicum" (this later book is readily available from astroamerica.com and Amazon books)

2) "Mixed" means some good things, some bad things; variable results; a mixture of happy times and hard times, of positive experiences and negative experiences, of joy and sorrow

3) the condition of the lord of the Moon sign, where it is posited, modifies the indications: for example, lord of the Moon sign = Sun, and Sun is posited in Leo; since Leo is a fixed sign, that means "mixed" results HOWEVER since the Sun is dignified in Leo, this indicates that the good/beneficial results would be more significant than the difficult/hard results; say, instead, the Sun (as lord of the Moon sign) were posited in Aquarius, its detriment sign: this would indicate that hard/difficult results would be more significant than good/beneficial results.

4) applied to marriage, these terms refer primarily to the relationship between husband and wife, but also include everything related to the marriage, financial, friends, inlaws, children, etc

5) time period of "final results" = later in the marriage, after the first few/several years of the marriage have passed: note though that if the "final results" = lord of the Moon sign being posited in a mutable sign, this might mean a divorce (but this depends upon the condition of the lord of the Moon sign in that mutable sign)
 
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dr. farr said:
1) Valens inceptional method is to be found in his "Anthology", and a version of it is also discussed in "Carmen Astrologicum" (this later book is readily available from astroamerica.com and Amazon books)

2) "Mixed" means some good things, some bad things; variable results; a mixture of happy times and hard times, of positive experiences and negative experiences, of joy and sorrow

3) the condition of the lord of the Moon sign, where it is posited, modifies the indications: for example, lord of the Moon sign = Sun, and Sun is posited in Leo; since Leo is a fixed sign, that means "mixed" results HOWEVER since the Sun is dignified in Leo, this indicates that the good/beneficial results would be more significant than the difficult/hard results; say, instead, the Sun (as lord of the Moon sign) were posited in Aquarius, its detriment sign: this would indicate that hard/difficult results would be more significant than good/beneficial results.

4) applied to marriage, these terms refer primarily to the relationship between husband and wife, but also include everything related to the marriage, financial, friends, inlaws, children, etc

5) time period of "final results" = later in the marriage, after the first few/several years of the marriage have passed: note though that if the "final results" = lord of the Moon sign being posited in a mutable sign, this might mean a divorce (but this depends upon the condition of the lord of the Moon sign in that mutable sign)
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What an interesting thread...

So, if I am following this correctly, if the marriage ASC is in Gemini/mutable sign, and the Moon is in Scorpio/fixed sign, there are indications that the beginning/early (and possibly middle) years might be difficult? However, if the Scorpio Moon is ruled by Mars, who in the marriage/event chart is exalted in Capricorn/cardinal sign...the outcome would be favorable? Do aspects to the ASC/Moon/Ruler of the Moon make a difference?
 
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dr. farr

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Yes, those would be the early an later trends indicated; in this inceptional method, aspects are not taken into consideration, but the strength/dignity of the lord of the Moon sign, is taken into consideration as modifying factors relative to the indications of the type of sign that lord is in.
The exalted Mars in above example, would indicate that "final" (later) results would not just benefic/favorable but actually VERY benefic/favorable (due to Mars being in a cardinal sign-Capricorn in this case-AND also in its exaltation therein)
 
astrologer50

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If we want marriage to last than we must stick to these rules regarding wedding chart:
  • fixed ASC
  • Moon must not be in Scorpio
  • Venus and Mars must be in easy applying aspect
  • Sun or Moon must not have applying aspect with Ur
  • Venus must be direct
  • Sa, Ma, Ur, Pl must not be in angular house
  • ruler of ASC and ruler of DSC must be in easy applying aspect
  • Ruler of ASC must not be in conjunction with Sa
The ANARETIC degree (29’) of any sign is to be AVOIDED in a wedding chart, especially for the degree of ASCENDANT, MIDHEAVEN, SUN, MOON, VENUS, MARS, OR JUPITER.

THIS IS SAID TO BE THE DEGREE OF TEARS!

Sun at 29 degrees, Moon at 29 degrees. Jupiter opposite Uranus.
Uranus square Moon, Venus or Mars SHOULD BE AVOIDED in any wedding chart because Uranus is freedom and the square stimulates too much friction between parties.


The Ascendant in the marriage chart event and may be performed under tearful circumstances of someone.

The Midheaven brings scandal or trouble from the parents.

The Sun is the masculine image and authority of the chart and the 29TH DEGREE OF THE SUN DESTROYS THE IDENTITY OF ONE OF THE PARTIES.

Moon in the 29TH DEGREE BRINGS MUCH UNHAPPINESS TO THE WIFE, HOME AND FAMILY MAY ALSO SUFFER IN TIME.

Venus influences happiness and love. Venus at the 29th degree DENIES LOVE TO ONE OF THE PARTNERS. Eg; early death of one of the partners or accident or illness immobilising one.

Mars is vitality and energy. One of the partners will feel TOO RESTRICTED and the partnership may even be interspersed with actual combat. Venus and Mars at the 29th degree will have a bearing on the sexual relationship between the parties.

Jupiter represents the legality of the act and the ceremony itself. Jupiter in the 29th degree is very prominent.

 
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astrologer82

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dr. farr said:
1) Valens inceptional method is to be found in his "Anthology", and a version of it is also discussed in "Carmen Astrologicum" (this later book is readily available from astroamerica.com and Amazon books)

2) "Mixed" means some good things, some bad things; variable results; a mixture of happy times and hard times, of positive experiences and negative experiences, of joy and sorrow

3) the condition of the lord of the Moon sign, where it is posited, modifies the indications: for example, lord of the Moon sign = Sun, and Sun is posited in Leo; since Leo is a fixed sign, that means "mixed" results HOWEVER since the Sun is dignified in Leo, this indicates that the good/beneficial results would be more significant than the difficult/hard results; say, instead, the Sun (as lord of the Moon sign) were posited in Aquarius, its detriment sign: this would indicate that hard/difficult results would be more significant than good/beneficial results.

4) applied to marriage, these terms refer primarily to the relationship between husband and wife, but also include everything related to the marriage, financial, friends, inlaws, children, etc

5) time period of "final results" = later in the marriage, after the first few/several years of the marriage have passed: note though that if the "final results" = lord of the Moon sign being posited in a mutable sign, this might mean a divorce (but this depends upon the condition of the lord of the Moon sign in that mutable sign)
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1)i couldn't find the inceptional method in his book could you please post it?

2)what final result means? final result is the end of the marriage?

3)how do you see a divorce in the chart?

4)the condition of the lord of the Moon sign, where it is posited, modifies the indications: for example, lord of the Moon sign = Sun, and Sun is posited in Leo; since Leo is a fixed sign, that means "mixed" results HOWEVER since the Sun is dignified in Leo, this indicates that the good/beneficial results would be more significant than the difficult/hard results; say, instead, the Sun (as lord of the Moon sign) were posited in Aquarius, its detriment sign: this would indicate that hard/difficult results would be more significant than good/beneficial results.

then it means it'll be more good/beneficial results over bad?
what the difficult/hard results could be?

5) does the asc ruler mean anything?

6)how do you know whens the end of the marriage? or how long it lasts? whats the signs for a lifelong marriage?
 
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ashe2011

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dr. farr said:
1) Valens inceptional method is to be found in his "Anthology", and a version of it is also discussed in "Carmen Astrologicum" (this later book is readily available from astroamerica.com and Amazon books)

2) "Mixed" means some good things, some bad things; variable results; a mixture of happy times and hard times, of positive experiences and negative experiences, of joy and sorrow

3) the condition of the lord of the Moon sign, where it is posited, modifies the indications: for example, lord of the Moon sign = Sun, and Sun is posited in Leo; since Leo is a fixed sign, that means "mixed" results HOWEVER since the Sun is dignified in Leo, this indicates that the good/beneficial results would be more significant than the difficult/hard results; say, instead, the Sun (as lord of the Moon sign) were posited in Aquarius, its detriment sign: this would indicate that hard/difficult results would be more significant than good/beneficial results.

4) applied to marriage, these terms refer primarily to the relationship between husband and wife, but also include everything related to the marriage, financial, friends, inlaws, children, etc

5) time period of "final results" = later in the marriage, after the first few/several years of the marriage have passed: note though that if the "final results" = lord of the Moon sign being posited in a mutable sign, this might mean a divorce (but this depends upon the condition of the lord of the Moon sign in that mutable sign)
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theres no much about it online,if you(valens method or more) or anyone else know more about marriage charts and how to interpret them
please post it on this thread,we all want to know how to interpret our marriage charts
 
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cella

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Very interesting method indeed.

What if the ascendant is in a mutable sign but the moon sign is cardinal? These are two extremes...would that mean a mix of very good and very bad experiences early on??

Thanks :)

dr. farr said:
Basically here is how the inceptional method works:

-first you look at the ascending sign and the sign the Moon is in;
:if the sign is cardinal it indicates favorable circumstances in the beginning and early on
:if the sign is cardinal it indicates mixed circumstances, some good, some bad, in the beginning and early on
:if the sign is mutable it indicates difficult circumstances in the beginning and early on
What is the ascendant is one type of sign and the Moon sign is of another type? Then you mix the indications:
For example, Cancer ascending sign and Moon in Leo: that is a mix of a cardinal sign (Cancer) and a fixed sign (Leo): so, that would indicate a mixed (fixed sign influence) beginning/early on period with a predominance of good over bad (the cardinal sign influence)

-then, for the indications of later on, the "final outcome" influences, you find the ruler of the Moon sign, and see what type of sign the ruler of the Moon sign is in: the type of sign (ie, cardinal, fixed, mutable) indications are the same as given above:
:if the sign in which the lord of the Moon sign is placed is cardinal it means good, benefic, positive outcomes
:if that sign is fixed, it means a mixture of good and bad results/the outcome is mixed
:if that sign is mutable, it indicates difficult, hard or generally unfavorable or unsatisfactory final results/outcomes
For example, Moon in Leo means its lord is the Sun: say the Sun were posited in Aries (or Cancer or Libra or Capricorn), that would be a cardinal sign indicating favorable outcome/final result; say the Sun were posited in Scorpio (or Taurus or Aquarius or Leo) that be would a fixed sign indicating a mixed +/- batch of final results/outcomes; say the Sun were in a mutable sign, then the indications would be for disappointing, difficult or otherwise unfavorable outcomes.

That, basically, is the Maximus inceptional method; a somewhat more complex method, still though closely related to this, is the inceptional method of Vettius Valens, from about 2 centuries prior to the time of Maximus.
Now the Maximus method is by no means 100% accurate, but I have found this very simple method to be an easily applied prognostic estimation which usually (in my experience) has turned out to be accurate relative to its generalized indications (favorable, mixed, unfavorable) particularly for the final result/ultimate outcome of the event.
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dr. farr

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In the literature, this method only uses the Moon and its lord, so placement of ascendants, Lots or other planets would not have the same ramifications-this is basically Lunar astrology, the Moon being anciently considered a special indicator for divinatory applications.
 
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cella

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Oh! Great!! When you said "-first you look at the ascending sign and the sign the Moon is in" I got confused that perhaps we consider the ASC as well :).

Thank you Dr Farr!!

Does the method also indicate what areas will be favourable or unfavourable in the matter concerned for e.g. in another thread where you used the same method, you told this person that you don't think there are going to be financial problems?

:)

dr. farr said:
In the literature, this method only uses the Moon and its lord, so placement of ascendants, Lots or other planets would not have the same ramifications-this is basically Lunar astrology, the Moon being anciently considered a special indicator for divinatory applications.
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dr. farr

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Yes, regarding the eventual outcome of whatever it is, if the Lord of the Moon sign is in a cardinal the outcome will be favorable, if in a fixed sign, 50/50 (mixed, some +, some -) and if in a mutable sign, unfavorable (that would apply to finances, projects, love, etc)
However, I do want to say that this inceptional method is not an absolute!! It is one factor (albeit an important one) to consider, but other factors DO modify these likely results: so regard the inceptional method as a useful-but not unlaterable-ndicator of future likely developments.
 
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cella

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Yes, you had said earlier in this thread that the method is not 100 percent accurate. I anyway believe that the indications in any divinity are only potential not fate. But I still like this method, thanks for sharing :)

dr. farr said:
Yes, regarding the eventual outcome of whatever it is, if the Lord of the Moon sign is in a cardinal the outcome will be favorable, if in a fixed sign, 50/50 (mixed, some +, some -) and if in a mutable sign, unfavorable (that would apply to finances, projects, love, etc)
However, I do want to say that this inceptional method is not an absolute!! It is one factor (albeit an important one) to consider, but other factors DO modify these likely results: so regard the inceptional method as a useful-but not unlaterable-ndicator of future likely developments.
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