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All 4 of the Fixed-signs are considered weighty. The Mutable-signs are considered as light-weight and flighty, which goes along with the "weak" Cadent-house theory. As for the Cardinals, the stereotypes are: Aries, self-centered and egotistical; Libra, wishy-washy and indecisive; Cancer, overly-emotional crybaby; and Capricorn, greedy and self-serving. Leo comes off looking good, overall.

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Similar to that descriptions of Aries, Leo is largely written off as selfcentered and egotistical
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I have a feeling 19Laws is more motivated by a personal hatred for Scorpio, caused by being hurt by a Scorpio. When you are hurt by someone and all you know is some general features of the Sun sign, you start putting everyone with your abuser's sign into the "enemy" category. He has been talking about Leo and Scorpio for quite a while now.






I was just showing 19Laws an example of how ridiculous his generalization is
Hahaha I know I just HAD to give my opinion xD

And yes I agree with that, he/she is being also quite defensive. I'm still amused by the fact he/she thinks I'm lying about my sun sign.

Leo has bad rep cos they do have a bad rep, aight. They can be egoic and self-centered ,but guess what. So is any other sign. It's just Leo has that quality in a most prominent way and people get triggered cos they themselves mirrored back and it pisses them off. Every person on the planet is self centered. Altruism is also a higher form of egoism. Ego is what gives an individual their personality and uniqueness for good or bad. I bet when people evolve so will astrology.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

On further thought, I believe the sun isn't given as much attention as other planets. So then there's less to use to actually debate any generalizations about Leo. Not that there's absolutely nothing, but there's just less. Even the moon has more descriptive analysis as far as I've seen

Really, it's the planets that are furthest away that tend to get more analysis and the sun is undeniably present. Perhaps it's the mystique of distance


And I'm just talking to myself here on the topic of the OP, not replying to anyone
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

I've never actually seen the Leo sign disparaged or put down, but then I don't know what goes on with the astrology groups on facebook, twitter, tumblr et al. I've actually seen the opposite where Leo is given glowing reviews, and even when the negative traits are spoken about, there is almost a "oh you rascal!" tone underneath which speaks to it being well-received generally.

Just in general sign talk, I've seen where the sign Sagittarius was glorified in terms of fashion and looks. There was a website I came across along time ago (the now defunct librarising website) that made a study on celebrities, noting that in their opinion Sagittarius risings were the best for looks. As one with the ascendant I really have no attachment to that viewpoint.
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The founder of Modern astrology was a Sun-Leo!
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I notice that in a lot of modern astrology blogs, especially writings that end up on popular sites, there is a push to weaken and mock the sign of Leo while simultaneously promoting Scorpio as the strongest sign. Leos are all prone to flattery, playful, and all bluff and showy.

Meanwhile, Scorpios are "powerful", "determined", and their weak side is that they are somehow vengeful meaning they will get back at you for offending them.

Leos on the other hand are forgive and forget, too dumb to tell if you offended them and will only shout like children when offended.

It has made me question the validity of astrology when a group of biased people can so easily fabricate things about signs.
I don't know what a sign you are, but all of us can see your weakness for miles, well ... creating thousands of posts about crying because a scorpion has damaged your pride is like looking for your mother crying because someone offended you.

assume it, it is not a question of signs, it is your mental weakness .. someone strong is not crying in the forums.
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I don't know what a sign you are, but all of us can see your weakness for miles, well ... creating thousands of posts about crying because a scorpion has damaged your pride is like looking for your mother crying because someone offended you.

assume it, it is not a question of signs, it is your mental weakness .. someone strong is not crying in the forums.
Haven't known many Sun Scorps. Would you say they despise weakness?
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Haven't known many Sun Scorps. Would you say they despise weakness?
Hello david

I do not despise the weakness itself, the weakness always disguises itself as an opportunity for growth, but this person who is crying through the astrology forums because he was humiliated by a sign (whatever) is a naive weakness, curiously this person creates thousands of threads judging weak to others, when the weakness of this person is in sight, do not you see?

We are all weak in something, but not in this sense of hypocrisy, this person disguises with threads amounts their intentions, which are the general contempt for a sign

Weakness is an opportunity to develop or a negative loop.

You have the decision to fight and die standing or stand idly by and blame others (this is the worst and this weakness is what I noticed in the thread's creator)

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Hello david

I do not despise the weakness itself, the weakness always disguises itself as an opportunity for growth, but this person who is crying through the astrology forums because he was humiliated by a sign (whatever) is a naive weakness, curiously this person creates thousands of threads judging weak to others, when the weakness of this person is in sight, do not you see?

We are all weak in something, but not in this sense of hypocrisy, this person disguises with threads amounts their intentions, which are the general contempt for a sign

Weakness is an opportunity to develop or a negative loop.

You have the decision to fight and die standing or stand idly by and blame others (this is the worst and this weakness is what I noticed in the thread's creator)

sorry for my bad english.
Your English is fine.
Sounds like you're saying the OP is complaining about an inner weakness that requires strengthening.
All Charts have their strengths and weaknesses, and there's always someone capable of exploiting the weaknesses of others.
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I notice that in a lot of modern astrology blogs, especially writings that end up on popular sites, there is a push to weaken and mock the sign of Leo while simultaneously promoting Scorpio as the strongest sign. Leos are all prone to flattery, playful, and all bluff and showy.

Meanwhile, Scorpios are "powerful", "determined", and their weak side is that they are somehow vengeful meaning they will get back at you for offending them.

Leos on the other hand are forgive and forget, too dumb to tell if you offended them and will only shout like children when offended.

It has made me question the validity of astrology when a group of biased people can so easily fabricate things about signs.

So, how does integrating your scorpio/pluto energy go? :-)
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

Sorry, The 19thLaw, I still don't understand where these writings are that try to weaken and mock Leo while promoting scorpio. Can we have a link?
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Sorry, The 19thLaw, I still don't understand where these writings are that try to weaken and mock Leo while promoting scorpio. Can we have a link?
www.popcookbookmodernastrology.com
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

The site isn't opening for me. Am I doomed to remain forever in the dark about these terrible leo's?
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The site isn't opening for me. Am I doomed to remain forever in the dark about these terrible leo's?
You mean the wimpy Leos cowering in fear before the wrath of the all-mighty Scorpios?
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You mean the wimpy Leos cowering in fear before the wrath of the all-mighty Scorpios?
There's real evidence for this in the documentary movie, "The Wizard of Oz": The "Cowardly" Lion does in fact tremble in fear before the representation of Scorpio as The Wicked Witch of the West.
Doesn't get any more real than THAT!
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I think it's just because you happens to see it more than other signs. I haven't seen the same emphasis as you. The sign that I see being put down more is Pisces, for being the weakest, most delusional and most deceptive sign of all. I could have started another thread asking why but I don't because I know that's just ********.
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You can always tell those people about their delusional, weak side since everyone has a 12th house and consequently a Piscean/Neptunian aspect .
Talking about pisces. I see their super power in the 12th house that blur the f out of everyone. Until today no one, no astrologer can tell for sure what the heck could really happen in the 12th house. lol. Never undermine the unsuspecting dreamy looking Pisces. They could just turn your life upside down in a sec. haha.
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reading all this. Is like everyone is coming together after 19thlaw... how about cut him some slack?
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Talking about pisces. I see their super power in the 12th house that blur the f out of everyone. Until today no one, no astrologer can tell for sure what the heck could really happen in the 12th house. lol. Never undermine the unsuspecting dreamy looking Pisces. They could just turn your life upside down in a sec. haha.
So true p this is what Iíve been saying all along and ppl are getting upset 😢 and taking it personally lmao bloody Pisces is not weak at all. They deceive US!! They are manipulative and sly and PLAY the martyr hiding from what they really are. The difference between Scorpio and Pisces is that Scorpio doesnít hide it. I suppose thatís what Neptune is all about - deception and thatís where Pisces come into play. I donít believe all this dreamy stuff about them. Itís a myth!

If the description was about Pisces was more about their deception and manipulation with the fact they hide what they truly are about then I would accept all the other stuff but thatís not what gets said about them unlike Scorpio where itís all out in the open so you get it and understand it.

Yes Pisces Maybe sensitive but sensitive to whom? Sensitive to their OWN needs.

And as this thread is about Leoís I will add that Leoís are not weak and I have not read anything to show they are weak. All I seem to read about them is how they are loud strong have no fear and are brighter than light itself. They are wonderful etc

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I've never actually seen the Leo sign disparaged or put down, but then I don't know what goes on with the astrology groups on facebook, twitter, tumblr et al. I've actually seen the opposite where Leo is given glowing reviews, and even when the negative traits are spoken about, there is almost a "oh you rascal!" tone underneath which speaks to it being well-received generally.

Just in general sign talk, I've seen where the sign Sagittarius was glorified in terms of fashion and looks. There was a website I came across along time ago (the now defunct librarising website) that made a study on celebrities, noting that in their opinion Sagittarius risings were the best for looks. As one with the ascendant I really have no attachment to that viewpoint.
Yes Leoís are given glowing reviews which to some extent they deserve and they are glowing however it is made out they are the best signs ever to be made which makes all the other signs dull.

I very much doubt sag are best looking and certainly not best dressed! Worst personality worst looks and worst dressed is a better description of a sag. Up themselves too! so far they canít see the light 💡
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I made it up, but it actually worked! There's an astrology cookbook!
Here is the correct link..
http://astrologycookbookseries.com/rulership/

Actually, she writes something very interesting about how mercury and Venus were assigned to their signs. Never heard of this, but it does make sense.
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So true p this is what I’ve been saying all along and ppl are getting upset �� and taking it personally lmao bloody Pisces is not weak at all. They deceive US!! They are manipulative and sly and PLAY the martyr hiding from what they really are. The difference between Scorpio and Pisces is that Scorpio doesn’t hide it. I suppose that’s what Neptune is all about - deception and that’s where Pisces come into play. I don’t believe all this dreamy stuff about them. It’s a myth!

If the description was about Pisces was more about their deception and manipulation with the fact they hide what they truly are about then I would accept all the other stuff but that’s not what gets said about them unlike Scorpio where it’s all out in the open so you get it and understand it.

Yes Pisces Maybe sensitive but sensitive to whom? Sensitive to their OWN needs.

And as this thread is about Leo’s I will add that Leo’s are not weak and I have not read anything to show they are weak. All I seem to read about them is how they are loud strong have no fear and are brighter than light itself. They are wonderful etc
This "..PLAY the martyr hiding from what they really are." yes, I know this one church pisces sun girl, she dresses and act all pure and holy to church but she slept with a man that has already been taken. When his gf is out of town, she went over to his house. She is totally conscious about what she is doing. And she knows his gf, they work together. She is like trying her luck that he would choose her instead. Sigh... Her strongest planet is #1 Neptune and her dominant sign #1Sag. (What?! Sag involved again, lol~).

Honestly, I have these pisces sun swimming around me for years but I never can really figure them out fully. May be because they're real misty, so misty that they go unnoticed for me or I am just not that into them, haha. Among all the signs, this is the one that I less researched on. But based on just knowing them by their sun signs, some of them that I know is capable of doing some doing some real **** and one is just down right evil bully in school but she changed though. I am suspecting they could be Aries dominant though. I should check on their chart when I have time...

Yeah, I shouldn't digress from the topic too. Well, Leo, this is my sun sign, my #2 dominant sign and I shall keep in mind that I shouldn't be bias. There is good, there is bad. All signs does.

The good one is I have heard numerous people saying that they really adore Leos, yeah, they can be loud, attention seeking but they bring sunshine and they are this gold dust and they make people happy. Astrologer Alyssa declaring she wants a baby Leo and so happy her baby is Leo. Canada Astrologer Sunnyside saying he adores the Leos and love his leo baby so much.

The bad ones, the mocking ones, they're attention seeking, they're clingy, they're bossy, they're stubborn. But still, this astrologer honey trap, despite complaining about her dating experience with Leos, she can't say for sure she won't date them anymore, lol.

As for my own experience... so far I have only met one annoying Leo sun. He is so loud in the office, huge attention seeking, huge on looking for acknowledgement for his intelligence. Well, I do think he is smart but really... he is too loud, a distraction at work. Finding every chance to prove how smart he is. His family is not supporting his education, he has to work hard to pay for his own higher education. See strong here. Always positive. He is not a bad person, he is just desperate for love may be, attention equals to love. When you give someone your time and attention it equals to love, isn't relationship build so? This fella is still young... everyone has a story behind them. When they couldn't get it at home they try to get it from somewhere...

Well, overall, is really not that bad for the Leos I think.
May be just unhappy that Scorpio is trend going on now? The attention have shifted and it hurts I guess? Wanting more love and attention from the mass?
Oh well, some websites do sound a shallow when they describe about Leos. But every signs has been mocked before. See it more openly I guess? Don't take it to heart.Or may be really just examine ourselves. Oh, I do like flattery, it gives me a self-confidence boost like why not. I can be happy for a sec without thinking too much. Nothing that serious.

Every signs has its good and play its part in this universe. So things get balanced out? Everyone is important, unique and special at their own ways. Well, we all still have to learn. Every few years, they would be a trend period for something, may be this period is Scorpio. Next few years a different signs, things keeps changing. Like Paris Hilton seasons has passed and now is the Kardashians' seasons, things like that, lol.
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lmao of about the sag! I know a few pisces that are like that and to top it off I knew a pisces sun sag rising! Anyway back to leo there was this girl I worked with and she was a leo sun and all leos I have come across have big hearts and very loving. Yes they fancy themselves but get away with it as they are so loving. But this girl wasn't the typical leo and she always seemed a bit 'undercover' to me then guess what? I found out she was a Pisces rising!! She was very sly and two faced. Another girl Pisces sun Leo rising. Two Faced. Pisces takes over.

Leo Moon, Leo Sun, Leo Rising generally when they aren't in aresholey signs are great!

I'm a Leo Moon and I resonate with my moon sign a lot and blends well with my rising in Libra but doesn't with my Cap Sun so there always this tug of war however leo and cap can be alike a little as they both like to 'rise above it' and look their best at all times same for libra but that's about it.
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