david starling
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Because I respect Traditional Astrology, and want to know more about it.
Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part I - Zodiac
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Because I respect Traditional Astrology, and want to know more about it.
SunConjunctUranus
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If you are interested to learn traditional astrology
then you shall find the answer by reading ALL ancient astrologers
if you are not sufficiently interested to read any traditional authorities
then I recommend you follow moderator helpful guidelines as follows
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Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas should feel free to start a new thread in an appropriate forum for further discussion
This is the Traditional Astrology forum. Out of all the different boards in this forum, this one is the home for traditional astrologers. It was created so that traditional astrologers can discuss traditional astrology with each other, without having to justify it to non-traditionalists or be interrupted by people disagreeing with traditional perspectives. Traditional astrologers, welcome home! You already know what to post and what not to post, so you may go ahead and post without reading further.
If you are not a traditional astrologer, you are welcome as a guest. Good guests respect the rules of the house. In this house, the main rule is that all posts must stick to traditional astrology only. Please read the rest of this and make sure that everything you post here is strictly traditional. If your post is not traditional, it belongs on one of our other boards, not here.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=120411
JUPITERASC
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david starling
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inexplicably you have failed to comprehend that petosiris is not your private tutor
fact is,
inexplicably you are unwilling apparently to learn traditional from traditional texts
while simultaneously claiming you respect traditional
and that you wish to learn traditional
Inexplicably, this thread is billed as an "Introduction" to ancient knowledge , and is therefore a tutorial, intended to transmit, not withold, information on the subject at hand.
Fine, the text in ''Valens'' may not be actually his, but has been attributed to Teucer of Babylon and ''Rhetorius'' (it has many interpolations from Hephaistio who lived centuries after Valens). We do not know the exact author, but those indications have been transmitted through various manuscripts. I can't think of lengthy descriptions of the signs outside of this transmission, besides Firmicus preserving a separate tradition that looks at the four angular signs - see page 161 http://www.astrologiahumana.com/firmicusmaternustheoryandpractice.pdf or Pythagoras, who also mentions toil, but notes some positive characteristics (like seekers of hidden knowledge because of the enigmatic quality), note many of the descriptions mixed with the Valens' in the OP come from him.
Firmicus describes the effects of twelve ascendants, even thought it may look he is examining them one by one. He probably used whole signs or perhaps equal houses. Go to skyscript for house discussions, we currently have a lovely one on Manilius - http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10349&start=60
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moonkat235
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Sorry to bust in here, but someone mentioned to me that Capricorn is associated with the occult traditionally? Is that referenced on page 161 when it says, "The secrets of sacred rites or a foreign way of life or a hidden religion will be known to him." Just curious!
Many qualities of the sidereal zodiac have been lost through time. In Hellenistic astrology, Sagittarius and Capricorn are ''enigmatic'' images (since their shapes are unintelligible), so they are very frequently associated with occult matters. They also indicate secrets, and things that come from unexpected sources, untraceable indicators as well.
david starling
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inexplicably, you are posting on our traditional board with carping criticism
of traditional principles
while demanding a personal tutorial from the generous OP of this thread
who is not beholden either to you or to anyone on our forum
the OP comments when the OP chooses to comment
not when unreasonable demands are made
by those who are blatantly flaunting the rules of our traditional board
i.e.
you commented earlier on this thread as follows
you continuallly flout the fact
that our traditional board
has the following moderator advice clearly displayed
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This is the Traditional Astrology forum.
Out of all the different boards in this forum, this one is the home for traditional astrologers.
It was created so that traditional astrologers
can discuss traditional astrology with each other,
without having to justify it to non-traditionalists
or be interrupted by people disagreeing with traditional perspectives.
Traditional astrologers, welcome home!
You already know what to post and what not to post,
so you may go ahead and post without reading further.
If you are not a traditional astrologer,
you are welcome as a guest.
Good guests respect the rules of the house.
In this house, the main rule is that all posts must stick to traditional astrology only.
Please read the rest of this and make sure that everything you post here is strictly traditional.
If your post is not traditional, it belongs on one of our other boards, not here.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120411
I asked a question about a Traditional topic, on a thread entitled as an "Introduction". Clearly, anyone already familiar with Hellenistic Astrology wouldn't require such an introduction, so a question from someone unfamiliar with it is perfectly understandable. I'm on Thread and not in violation of the rules of this board.
JUPITERASC
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would be interesting if you provide your interpretation of the reference you gave
just curious
i.e.
"The secrets of sacred rites or a foreign way of life or a hidden religion will be known to him."
also would be useful if you would state whether you are a traditional astrologer
interested in traditional discussion
or simply a curious guest on our traditional board
JUPITERASC
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fact is the rule states clearly as follows
This is the Traditional Astrology forum.
Out of all the different boards in this forum, this one is the home for traditional astrologers.
It was created so that traditional astrologers can discuss traditional astrology with each other,
without having to justify it to non-traditionalists
or be interrupted by people disagreeing with traditional perspectives
and you have violated that rule with the following interruption
disagreeing with our traditional perspectives
clearly you are not a traditional astrologer
therefore as a guest of our traditional board
do respect moderator polite request to respect our house rules
many thanks
david starling
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would be interesting if you provide your interpretation of the reference you gave
just curious
i.e.
"The secrets of sacred rites or a foreign way of life or a hidden religion will be known to him."
also would be useful if you would state whether you are a traditional astrologer
interested in traditional discussion
or simply a curious guest on our traditional board
For guests, as stated, "The main rule is that all posts must stick to traditional astrology only ". You seem to be implying that guests are unwelcome if they ask a question of those already knowledgeable in the Traditional arena. Is that a rule of your own making?
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moonkat235
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would be interesting if you provide your interpretation of the reference you gave
just curious
i.e.
"The secrets of sacred rites or a foreign way of life or a hidden religion will be known to him."
also would be useful if you would state whether you are a traditional astrologer
interested in traditional discussion
or simply a curious guest on our traditional board
lol curious guest. Odds and Petosiris have been giving me lots of traditional info to sift through and explore!
And legit the first thing that came to my mind when I read that passage was occult knowledge, which made me think of the comment my friend made about Capricorn. I mean, is there another way to interpret it rather than occult? "Secrets of sacred rites" seems very occultish and so does "hidden religion". lol
Osamenor
Staff member
All,
Keep your disagreements respectful. I have just deleted multiple posts for not sticking to that rule.
You may disagree over what is or isn't traditional astrology, up to a point. However, you may not call people trolls. That isn't useful. Disagreement does not a troll make, and when someone really is trolling, the appropriate response is to report it, not feed it. All the other posts I deleted were responses to that line of discussion.
Stick to the topic, respectfully,
Osamenor
Keep your disagreements respectful. I have just deleted multiple posts for not sticking to that rule.
You may disagree over what is or isn't traditional astrology, up to a point. However, you may not call people trolls. That isn't useful. Disagreement does not a troll make, and when someone really is trolling, the appropriate response is to report it, not feed it. All the other posts I deleted were responses to that line of discussion.
Stick to the topic, respectfully,
Osamenor
SunConjunctUranus
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Excuse me, mr David, we can't denying that there are history in the past that make the reader of this thread could read something "unserious questions"
So I could see why Trad member like Jupiter and petosiris to prevent it again.
That's all what I read.
Respectful
R
JUPITERASC
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thanks for referring to the following comment SCU
the rules are made by moderators and apply to ALL of us members INCLUDING GUESTS
i.e.
This is the Traditional Astrology forum.
Out of all the different boards in this forum, this one is the home for traditional astrologers.
It was created so that traditional astrologers can discuss traditional astrology with each other,
without having to justify it to non-traditionalists
or be interrupted by people disagreeing with traditional perspectives
and you have violated that rule with the following interruption
disagreeing with our traditional perspectives
and so
guests follow our house rules
as stated by moderators
for example
david starling
Well-known member
thanks for referring to the following comment SCU
the rules are made by moderators and apply to ALL of us members INCLUDING GUESTS
i.e.
This is the Traditional Astrology forum.
Out of all the different boards in this forum, this one is the home for traditional astrologers.
It was created so that traditional astrologers can discuss traditional astrology with each other,
without having to justify it to non-traditionalists
or be interrupted by people disagreeing with traditional perspectives
and you have violated that rule with the following interruption
disagreeing with our traditional perspectives
and so
guests follow our house rules
as stated by moderators
for example
I disagreed with ONE ancient astrologer's opinion concerning Capricorn, not with all "traditional perspectives". That's why I asked about the opinions of other ancient astrologers regarding that Sign.
JUPITERASC
Well-known member
I simply quoted rules of our traditional board
and by the way, keep in mind
that since ours is a beginners learning forum
IF anyone has a genuine interest to study and learn traditional astrological opinion
of ANY or ALL ancient astrologers
then obviously great idea to read the original texts oneself
in order to form ones own opinion
Truthfully, people need to look at a chart themselves. Here is an easy and short guide to follow - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121677
david starling
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Then, why has Trad become considered as "Doom and Gloom" astrology?
JUPITERASC
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many have not even read any traditional texts
and are making assumptions based on not having read any traditional texts