Is she the one? Do I want to know?

Magpie

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I'm not an astrologer so I bow to others knowledge. I'm here because my earlier life interest has been rekindled now in later life. I am particularly interested in whether someone would really want to know something and I guess, depending on their personality, how they would take the news. I guess there is some delicate thinking needed in what is said. In my earlier life I did two charts for friends. In the first it showed that she had been sexually abused. In the second it showed death by drowning. I spoke to the first person but not to the second. I spoke to the first because I felt if I didn't broach the subject she may have thought the whole thing a bit false as it wasn't showing something substantial that happened to her.

All this bring me to me. All my life I dreamed of her and then I met her two years ago, a cosmic love with a lot to learn from each other and wounds to heal, we became engaged 9 months ago but recently I hurt her (broke her trust over an agreement we had and behaved badly too). It is more detailed than this of course but now I worry that we are on the brink of departure (I hope not).

If a strong relationship is (by composite eg we have sun trine moon and both sun and moon full of "good" aspects) going to break up will this show up in transits in both persons charts or does it only need to show in one. For example, I have Saturn square to Venus over the next few weeks but she only has happy stuff. Or does my transit just mean I'll worry myself sick but she won't.

Any constructive comments on my rave would be appreciated.
 
I'm not an astrologer so I bow to others knowledge. I'm here because my earlier life interest has been rekindled now in later life. I am particularly interested in whether someone would really want to know something and I guess, depending on their personality, how they would take the news. I guess there is some delicate thinking needed in what is said. In my earlier life I did two charts for friends. In the first it showed that she had been sexually abused. In the second it showed death by drowning. I spoke to the first person but not to the second. I spoke to the first because I felt if I didn't broach the subject she may have thought the whole thing a bit false as it wasn't showing something substantial that happened to her.
[well I'd like to know what techniques you used as I don't beleive this kind of accuracy is possible or appropriate!]

All this bring me to me. All my life I dreamed of her and then I met her two years ago, a cosmic love with a lot to learn from each other and wounds to heal, we became engaged 9 months ago but recently I hurt her (broke her trust over an agreement we had and behaved badly too). It is more detailed than this of course but now I worry that we are on the brink of departure (I hope not).

If a strong relationship is (by composite eg we have sun trine moon and both sun and moon full of "good" aspects) going to break up will this show up in transits in both persons charts or does it only need to show in one. For example, I have Saturn square to Venus over the next few weeks but she only has happy stuff. Or does my transit just mean I'll worry myself sick but she won't.

Any constructive comments on my rave would be appreciated.

IF you can predict death and other things, why not an astrologicla interpretation and charts please. This is why you have not had responses thus far

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http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14561

Re: Need some education: Which charts to use when?
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17514

Beginning to Study Astrology
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154469&postcount=10
http://www.soulhealing.com/tutorialwest.htm
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-glyphs.php
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-lessons.php
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/chartreading.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_in_astrology
http://wilsontc.stormloader.com/#continue
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http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natalastrology.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-lessons.php

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/inner-outer.php
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/tutorial.htm

How to attach a chart as thumbnail
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126

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There is a 'plethora' of information on AW, espec in the 'stickys' at the top of every forum, our Education forum and Recommendations forum to. Plus we have a good search feature,[but not foolproof obviously, so try here first] bit like google using keywords – initially select advanced and try just selecting 'titles' rather than posts or you'll get too many threads. If this doesn’t get results then try google

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_kdvalue_e.htm

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234549&postcount=7
Perhaps you should read this thread entitled: astrology predicts meanings, not events
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17546&page=2
 

Magpie

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Thank you for the advice. My "dabbling" was some 40 years ago and I probably didn't know what I was doing and looking back shouldn't have done so. I guess it scared me and so I lost interest. Now I have an interest again. I will look at the references you have provided, thanks for those. I'm not very tech savvy. I looked at your instructions before about posting my chart but I failed. I will try again. Should I attach it to this thread or my introductory one? Thanks.
 
doesn't matter where you attach it. The most common mistake when posting charts is not reducing the image size to the smallest at 63%, get image, right mouse click, save to hard drive, then upload.
 

Magpie

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Here is my natal chart with transits for 3 Oct. Good reading!!!
 

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Here is my natal chart with transits for 3 Oct. Good reading!!!

As I expected venus square neptune, rose tinted glasses, illusions, confusions and delusions...:annoyed:

have you researched your Yods?http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

Info on Yod’s
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm
http://asphodelea.com/yods.html
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology)
http://realastrologers.com/?p=331
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html
http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm

http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html
http://aliceportman.com/?p=452

middle sept T Saturn conj natal neptune, setting off neptune's aspects, so T Saturn is also squaring venus. This could have the effect of making you rather down, or depressed, short of money, a friendships or relationship could have ended?

moon in aquarius quite often can prefer deep friendships rather than full on relationships and having 3planets in 12th house is not great. It makes it difficult to overtly show emotions, although it gets a boost being conj jupiter, showing you go OTT

venus in 12th shows very private secretative affiars that aren't common knowledge. venus in cappi really wants someone of status, career minded and value for money.


Ruler of the Seventh House in the Tenth House
Your spouse may want to be the authority figure in the partnership. Or on the other hand, you may be the one who wants to "rule the roost" so to speak. A partner can help you towards your career aims. You could be someone who puts marriage aside in favor of pursuing your career goals first.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr7

having pluto in 7th shows issues of wanting control, transformation, lots of uncertainty and poss attracting awkward partners
 

Magpie

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Thanks for the advice Astrologer 50. Here are my thoughts. Moon in Aquarius might want friendship but I want a full on relationship and that is what I had until I blew it.
Yes Venus square Neptune can be tricky about illusions but our love was not an illusion. And yes I can go over the top when things go wrong but know this time I have to control that in me.
I have found it difficult in the past to show my emotions fully and to have intimate dialogue with my partner but that all changed with her.
Things happened with her that have never been that way before. It was so natural, so uplifting.
I don't know about that "secret affairs" stuff, it has always puzzled me.
I don't want to "control", just be equal though she is dominant (Aries rising), which I don't really mind.
As I said earlier, we seemed to be meant to come together to heal each other and grow from that. We are an incredible match together. But it has gone sour, which I'm interpreting to be the universe saying you've got complacent and if you want this to work you are going to have to dig deep and work out what you really want. I have to give up a lot for her and have had some doubts but now realise she is everything. I've noticed that these aspects can have a positive effect, by making something happen to look with deep introspection and if it comes good it will be of enduring value.
There was a time when I had the feeling that the greatest gift I could give her would be to set her free, but I don't want to. I've also felt/believe that we are forever. We have both felt that we have been together in previous lives and keep saying goodbye but also finding each other again.
She got hurt badly in her marriage, took control of her life and raised 4 kids. At around the same time my marriage split up. Seven years later we meet and she opens her heart. Two years on and I mess it up letting my ego get in the way. I cannot believe I've been so stupid to destroy the beauty of our love. It was what you dream of. She hasn't spoken to me for nearly a month and we are supposed to meet up this Sunday to talk things over. And though she says she loves me my fear is that by hurting her I've done irrepairable damage to her trust in me. I am hopeful. I just want to be able to talk to her face to face. I have attached our composite chart which I have been reluctant to do because I don't mind putting me here but didn't really want to expose her so please treat with sensitivity and privacy which I'm sure will be the case. Thanks. I'll look up the yod references.
 

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If a strong relationship is (by composite eg we have sun trine moon and both sun and moon full of "good" aspects) going to break up will this show up in transits in both persons charts or does it only need to show in one. For example, I have Saturn square to Venus over the next few weeks but she only has happy stuff. Or does my transit just mean I'll worry myself sick but she won't.
the composite does not describe either one of you, but the *relationship* as a separate entity..

Have you tried a free composite chart with explanations being 'interactive'
Composite charts
If you go to www.astro.com click on free horoscopes, go to Interactive horoscopes, go down to Astroclick partner, that will bring up a composite chart and when you put the mouse over a planet will bring up a pop up box with the interpretation......

But you do need both times of birth to be accurate though.. enjoy.

Composites describe the relationship, not either one of you, but what you came together to learn or to do and how the 'pair of you' function when together....

http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+composites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The Book ---Planets in Composite: Analyzing Human Relationships By Robert Hand-- is greatly recommended

“The composite doesn't seem to describe what either person feels about the other. In this way it is very different from synastry, which describes the chemistry between two people in terms of how they affect each other. The composite chart is like a child, a third entity which carries the genetic imprints of both parents but combines these imprints in an entirely new way and exists independently of either of them”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

If you look in the ephmeris here, you will see T Saturn is currently squaring natal venus, which is severly testing what is of value to you within relationships.
http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/oct2011gmt.shtml

This might be a time of relationship tests, struggles, or trials. You may not be attracting things and people that you want in your life as easily as you were. It's a signal to work on improving your manner as well as the things that you offer to others in partnership. There may be many doubts raised now and you could be withdrawing or holding back a little as you attempt to figure out what you need, want, and can give. You are working towards ridding yourself of self-delusions when it comes to close partnerships, socializing, finances, and attractiveness
http://cafeastrology.com/saturntransitaspects.html
to read the full article click on link.

synastry and divorce
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13745&highlight=synastry+divorce
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32646&highlight=Divorce
Synastry & divorce--- really great article, well worth reading-----
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrolog y+2nd+marriage&source=bl&ots=DoV__K_IQS&sig=dI1UAX 5oprrQLtfzYUrJ4_XzuKU&hl=en&ei=zBV0SsfnHYqhjAf5rN2 nBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepa ge&q=&f=false


Moon Quincunx (Inconjunct) Uranus

You may have to sort through the "hidden messages" you received as a child in order to make sense out of some of your adult actions. You act, at times, without any forethought. This is because you are driven by forces out of your immediate awareness. Your spontaneous bursts of enthusiasm either serve you well or they don't. Early in life you may have been "told" that you should be different, but, your differences will stop you from succeeding. It takes time and adjustment to really learn that it's okay to be both unique and successful.
http://cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

you can explore the rest of your quincunxs on the above site..
When you look for emotional security (moon) you will be plagued by sudden unexpected things connected to 5th house matters....

Uranus in 5th House - succeedent house
· You could have sudden (stop/go) and unusual romantic ­involvements.
· You will seek pleasurable and exciting pursuits, whether artistic, musically or creativity
· Could have gifted or unusual children. You will give them a lot of freedom and encourage them to be inventive. Children are original, independent and unusual.
· Self restraint and self-knowledge are needed as this person can be reckless and foolhardy.
· Unconventional where love affairs are concerned. Wants to feel free no matter what the cost – as in no strings
· Wants to work for himself rather than for others. (house of self employment)

personally, whenever Tsaturn made hard aspects to my venus, a relationship ended, I was short of money and felt very unloved...

you really should think about posting the synastry bi wheel to see how your planets affect each other.

When posting a synastry bi wheel from astro.com remember to reduce the *orbs* to 50% and maximum orb should be 3’

When looking at a woman’s chart the type of man she would look for is her sun sign and mars traits, plus 7th house planets and house cusp ruler and where that ruler was deposited.
When looking at a mans chart for the type of woman he would look for is his venus and moon sign and then 7th house planets and house cusp ruler and where that ruler was deposited.

Although synastry is a valuable tool with astrology it cannot 'make things happen' even if you have the best synastry in the world unfortunately.

In synastry I use tight orbs and view aspects between one person's outer planets to the other person's inner planets as being "karmic connections"......usually with the outer planet person doing the teaching and the inner planet person doing the learning.

If you want to research more into synastry try here
http://cafeastrology.com/astrology_of_relationships.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/interchartaspects.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry_house_overlays.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastry.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastry-houses.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastryaspects.html
http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/astrology-marriage.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17513
http://www.astrotheme.com/synastry_advice.php
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/synastry/ascendant.html
http://astrologyfiles.com/free-horoscope-matching/
http://www.skyviewzone.com/lovematch/sunsynastryhouse.htm

Relationship sticky
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28945
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=254409&postcount=9
 

Magpie

Member
Thank you again. I was a bit confused about the difference between composite and synastry but the way you put it makes it very clear.

That interpretation of the Saturn square Venus has a lot of resonance. I have been thinking very deeply about what I want out of this relationship and why.

I've done the interactive composite chart on Astrodienst. I attached the composite chart I got from there. It is a very useful site and I note you reference the cafe astrology site too. I've looked at it as well but not in as much detail. I'll give all your references a go.

That Uranus in 5th house aint me. I have two children and while they are unique as we all are I couldn't say they are as described in the interpretation. None of the rest seems to gel either.

I note you are in Manchester. My relationship got the wobbles when we were in London in late August, what a busy noisy place it is. We then went to Ireland and everything was wonderful but we struck "turbulence" on arriving back in Sydney.

All the best.
 
there *has to be* something different about the way you approach 5th house matters with uranus here. It could just be that Uranus only gets quincunxs from 5th that you are finding it hard to identify with perhaps....

So what kind of hobbies do you have? what do you do for recreational matters? anything unsual. Obviously you may not think they are unsual, but i bet if you ask others or even members here they may not be...

The sign position of Uranus indicates our restlessness and what for us is individual, modern and thrilling. The house position of Uranus indicates where we desire free expression, seek to be different, and where things get turned upside down! Shocks, surprises, upheavals, freedom, independence. Uranus being a higher octave of mercury, like Neptune is a higher octave of venus. The house Uranus is in is where we seek to be different, want free expressions and where things get turned upside down.

planets in houses
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/planetsinhouses.php
Houses/signs are like the backdrop of a stage/theatre, planets in houses behave like actors on a stage, the *aspects* show how these planets/actor behave in a house
 
Just curious, a50, I was under the impression that Yods were only formed when the apex planet is the faster moving of the 3 planets that form the Yod. What's your take? http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/yod_boomerang.shtml

Thanks

the majority of Yods are formed with the generational Pluto sextile neptune, so anything quicker, which any planet generally will be --- will be the quicker moving planet.

If you use our search feature, bit like google, you will find the relevent threads for discussing yods...
 

StillOne

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the majority of Yods are formed with the generational Pluto sextile neptune, so anything quicker, which any planet generally will be --- will be the quicker moving planet.

If you use our search feature, bit like google, you will find the relevent threads for discussing yods...

Yes, I've read that (I have a yod in my chart, if you click on my profile you can see it in my album). However in this case it appears to me that there is no apex planet connecting both Neptune and Pluto with quincunx apects... Unless I'm looking at that wrong. I do see quincunx lines but not in the form of a Yod... I think... Unless you are using transiting Neptune as the apex?

The yod I thought you were referencing was the Mercury(Sun)/Moon base with Uranus as the apex... Hence my original question.
 
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No I think it's a valid Yod within orbs and Uranus as Apex...

there are plenty of threads on AW for research, just use our search feature, bit like google.
 

StillOne

Well-known member
the majority of Yods are formed with the generational Pluto sextile neptune, so anything quicker, which any planet generally will be --- will be the quicker moving planet.

If you use our search feature, bit like google, you will find the relevent threads for discussing yods...

No I think it's a valid Yod within orbs and Uranus as Apex...

there are plenty of threads on AW for research, just use our search feature, bit like google.


Sorry I just want to understand this correctly and maybe I'm not looking at the right chart (I also apologize for detracting from the thread)... If we're talking about the chart for "John" in post #5 for Magpie in this thread and the "generational yod", it appears to me that Neptune is in Libra which is Sextile Pluto in Leo. That forms the base of the Generational Yod. Uranus appears to be in Cancer and looks to be Semisquare Pluto and has no aspect to Neptune.
 
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StillOne

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I didn't say HIS was generational, but was a general explanation, although Uranus is a generational planet to...

Haha, ok gotcha. Well, then I don't see a Yod in the chart since Uranus would be the slowest moving of all the remaining planets... Mercury, Sun and the Moon which do form Quincunx aspects to Uranus, but being faster moving planets than the apex, then would negate the presence of a Yod(s)..?
 
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Magpie

Member
Thanks astrologer 50. This is getting intriguing, I'm referring to Uranus in the 5th house. My lady and I both have this planet there. I've just read about a dozen interpretations of this placement and they are much the same if some more detailed than others. I wouldn't say that either of us has eccentric hobbies or particular gifts or out there jobs or have creatively brilliant children. My "hobbies" are gardening and thinking. What we both do have is our work involving the birth and protection of children, an interest in the spiritual and natural worlds more so than the mundane. I do write her poetry and she is a wonderfully creative cook, if these things can be counted.

The most interesting thing I came across in this search, and thank you for putting me on the path, was the DK Foundation site. Reading the words on it was transcending. The stuff about Saturn and Uranus is quite amazing and so real to my current situation that started all this off. As my lady says "got to love the universe for providing".

So out of this I'm getting, which I kind of came to before starting on this trek, and have done, is that I need to look at what is happening in terms of where it will take me and how I can learn/change from it (Saturn) instead of what I would do in the past (Moon) which is to go to emotional pieces with every implication thereof.

This is from the DK Foundation site:

"We have to remember when we have aroused in others the anger or displeasure of which we are terrified, or when our failure to please has earned us rejection, when no one around us can agree that we have done the right thing, that this is what a spiritual challenge looks like in real life."

This is what lies before me. I need to face Saturn to the Sun rather than it facing the Moon. God give me the strength to bring her back.
 
Haha, ok gotcha. Well, then I don't see a Yod in the chart since Uranus would be the slowest moving of all the remaining planets... Mercury, Sun and the Moon which do form Quincunx aspects to Uranus, but being faster moving planets than the apex, then would negate the presence of a Yod(s)..?

I suspect this is hotly debated. I have heard of this scenario but on wikki and the links I gave out, don't mention this. Have you used our search feature yet? there are lots of threads discussing this :smile: but having said this wikki doesn't acknowledge a boomerang Yod where the apex also has an opposition. If no opp is present the 'midpoint' between the sextiles will be very sensitive..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology)
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm

Whatever you call this configuration the apex planet will be 'activated' and very sensitive to transits, progessions and solar arcs....personally I do feel it valid, but if you don't why not start your own thread and see what other members think??
 
uranus 5th
Uranus in the 5th House signifies a developmental need for a person to learn about his creative potential, and how it is released by authentic expression .
Uranus in the 5th House confers a lightening intuition which lends itself to all forms of divination and an originality which will ensure that a person will never become just one of a crowd. This placement of Uranus demands that a person be free, both to express himself, but also simply to be.
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarmaHouse5.htm

My "hobbies" are gardening and thinking. What we both do have is our work involving the birth and protection of children, an interest in the spiritual and natural worlds more so than the mundane. I do write her poetry and she is a wonderfully creative cook, if these things can be counted.

yep, I do think these 'unusual' although for a cook, perhaps something in cancer, make good chefs....which is she is of similar age Uranus would be cancer. the link to Uranus in cancer is generational, but suggests links to 4th house/family matters, perhaps unsual familly upbringing, family members even. You may not consider them unsual but when comparing childhood experiences with others you need to make the comparisons...

Obviously it wouldn't be unsual, eccentric to you, as you wouldn't know any different, but to others outside of family - then possibly..

Let's not forget uranus in your chart is retrograde (going backwards)

Uranus Retrograde
* reconsiders outward expressions of rebelliousness
* feels inside that they are different
* outward conformist behaviour masks inner feelings of non-conformity or ... goes out of their way to upset others apple carts
* has a difficult time finding their niche in society
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm#neprx

Sun Quincunx (Inconjunct) Uranus

Your self expressive urges are usually misunderstood by people and this creates frustrations for you. As you disconnect from the need to be understood and get more in contact with the will to achieve positive results from your actions, your true self emerges from the core of your personality. You grow by learning to leave well enough alone.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

 
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