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The names of the critters on the wheel. I will look them up, see what the are.

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This one reminds me of some of the links you attached. And of papal hats.

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I am concerned, because I used to be keen on unlocking so-called mysteries as well. Now I am not afraid to answer from where and in what is the benefit of such investigations, by the way, my first post wasn't directed at you, but at people who are actually familiar with ''so-called depths''. I get a feeling you just don't want to answer passiflora's question.


Maybe I misread you. Maybe not. But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. It is not that I do not want to answer her question. I do not feel adequately able to answer the question. Maybe someone can teach us both.


Jesus, don't get too paranoid or you might end up insane like rahu. Last I recall he was also breaking out of the Matrix.
I don't know Rahu, he was here when I joined, then he was gone. As for paranoid, it comes with the letters behind my name, but its only paranoid, when they aren't out to get you.
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The names of the critters on the wheel. I will look them up, see what the are.

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This one reminds me of some of the links you attached. And of papal hats.
Who even DREW these? Amazing artwork.
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Who even DREW these? Amazing artwork.
I don't know, but this one definitely looks like a tarot card. And your right, they are lovely. Actually, I have been entranced with the cards today. The artwork, on some of them is so intricate. The symbolism's. It is so deep. Argh!
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Looks like Saturn as Hyle, the realm of Matter; Mercury on the right, Azoth, alchemy; and, Archee, or Arche, the Activating Principle. Since the top figure appears to be female, I would suggest the fierce, warrior version of Venus, ancient Sumerian Inanna/Ishtar, "Queen of the Heavens" as the Morning-star.

I like this interpretation because, in the Modality-Element "12/12" pattern I recognized (which includes both the Ascendant and Age-indicator as Sign-rulers, along with the three Outermosts), Venus is Regulating-ruler of Saturn and Motivating-ruler of Mercury.

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  • noun obsolete, philosophy matter
  • noun The first matter of the cosmos, from which the four elements arose, according to the doctrines of Empedocles and Aristotle.


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One of several English variants (in casu Modern English, in the 17th and 18th century) for the Medieval Latin hyle, a transliteration of Aristotle’s concept of matter, in Ancient Greek ὕλη (hulē, "wood(s), material(s), matter, subject") or πρώτη ὕλη (prote hule, "fundamental, undifferentiated matter")

WHAT DOES HYLE MEAN IN ENGLISH?
Hyle


In philosophy, hyle refers to matter or stuff. It can also be the material cause underlying a change in Aristotelian philosophy. The Greeks originally had no word for matter in general, as opposed to raw material suitable for some specific purpose or other, so Aristotle adapted the word for "wood" to this purpose. The idea that everything physical is made of the same basic substance holds up well under modern science, although it may be thought of more in terms of energy or matter/energy.

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https://gnosticteachings.org/courses...-of-azoth.html

noun mercury, regarded by alchemists as the assumed first principle of all metals.
the universal remedy of Paracelsus.


Origin of azoth

1470–80; ≪ Arabic az zā'ūq the quicksilver

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From Andalusian Arabic الزُّوق‎ (az-zūq), from Arabic الزَّاوُوق‎ (az-zāwūq, “quicksilver”).
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azoth (uncountable)
  1. (alchemy) The first principle of metals, that is, mercury, which was formerly supposed to exist in all metals, and to be extractable from them.
  2. The universal remedy of Paracelsus.

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Strong's #746: arche (pronounced ar-khay')

from 756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank):--beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.




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archē

1) beginning, origin
2) the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader
3) that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause
4) the extremity of a thing

4a) of the corners of a sail

5) the first place, principality, rule, magistracy

5a) of angels and demons
Part of Speech: noun feminine

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This site mentions it is used 58 times in the Bible.

But I canít find them. I will check my concordance when I get home.

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Looks like Saturn as Hyle, the realm of Matter; Mercury on the right, Azoth, alchemy; and, Archee, or Arche, the Activating Principle. Since the top figure appears to be female, I would suggest the fierce, warrior version of Venus, ancient Sumerian Inanna/Ishtar, "Queen of the Heavens" as the Morning-star.

I like this interpretation because, in the Modality-Element "12/12" pattern I recognized (which includes both the Ascendant and Age-indicator as Sign-rulers, along with the three Outermosts), Venus is Regulating-ruler of Saturn and Motivating-ruler of Mercury.
Coming to mind to me, the trinity.

Funny, it would seem, Arche is given a higher position and standing. And it is feminine, of nature.
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Coming to mind to me, the trinity.

Funny, it would seem, Arche is given a higher position and standing. And it is feminine, of nature.
As Venus Morning-star (again, ancient Sumerian, the original version, Ishtar), it would be in line with Venus as Queen of the Heavens, and the saying, "Love conquers all".

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Now that you mention it, the 12/12 configuration is composed of 12 different trinities. Hadn't thought of it that way.
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Now that you mention it, the 12/12 configuration is composed of 12 different trinities. Hadn't thought of it that way.
Actually, neither had I. This is what I like about forums.
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Now that you mention it, the 12/12 configuration is composed of 12 different trinities. Hadn't thought of it that way.
Is there a visual for this?
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Is there a visual for this?
I'm blaming my North Node in Gemini pulling me away from my South Node in Sagittarius. Much easier now expressing everything in thought. In my younger days, I was all about visuals. I'll try to do something about it.

A necklace of triangles.
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I'm blaming my North Node in Gemini pulling me away from my South Node in Sagittarius. Much easier now expressing everything in thought. In my younger days, I was all about visuals. I'll try to do something about it.

A necklace of triangles.
I can almost picture it!

Don't worry David, I think I can see it.
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I can almost picture it!

Don't worry David, I think I can see it.
Need to label the sides, though. And I think there's actually 3 sets of trinities. A lot of people think in pictures.
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After reading this thread, I understand the secret code, the "key of mysteries".

2=B=Bull=Taurus=Venus (also Libra)/Moon (Cancer's ruler), 5=E=Eagle=Scorpio=Mars (also Aries)/Uranus (It could be Nibiru), 8=H=Human=Aquarius=Saturn (also capricorn)/Jupiter (Sagittarius' and Pisces' planets) and 11=L=Lion=Leo=Sun/Mercury (Gemini's and Virgo's planets).

I mentioned the hypothetical "invisible planet" Nibiru, also known as "the eye of God" in ancient Sumerian legends, I'm certain this is the planet Uranus.

12 zodiac signs (constellations)+10 "planets" (7, adding our closest star, our only natural satellite, a dwarf planet)=22 (like 23 and 24, mystical numbers).

And should I add the "gate of god" (Ophiuchus) and the "gate of man" (Orion).

Finally, the esoteric constellation Draco or the dragon surrounding in the north astronomical pole (Ursa Minor with its' brightest star Polaris), or the astrological degrees "parazodiac" between Virgo and Libra...and the star Tau Ceti in the constellation Cetus, another "parazodiac" between the zodiac constellations Pisces (the end of the astrological year) and Aries (to re/begin) with its planet theorized to have an extraterrestrial "humanoid" civilization. (the Annunaki?)
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Hi Passiflora,

I wish I could answer the question, but being a humble student of the arts, I do not pretend to understand all. I see what I see, and I try to see more, by learning and asking to be taught by others. I try to answer what I can, and I try to be polite to others in the process. I don't always succeed. I am still learning. One thing I have learned, is that, I am coming back. I am not elevated enough not to.
Thanks Opal. I try not to get swept up in decoding because whatís the chance Iíll be able to make sense of the answers, or wonít overheat my brain vs my body trying to figure it out. Like which alien is suddenly going to admit me into his secret society just because I know how to say hello in his language.
Maybe itís just ďthere are patterns (or God) larger than us, and we have identified some pointers to our smallness / vastness...?
The discussion is interesting though and I trust you guys are pretty good at following threads through arcane information without getting lost, which is why I asked originally.

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After reading this thread, I understand the secret code, the "key of mysteries".

2=B=Bull=Taurus=Venus (also Libra)/Moon (Cancer's ruler), 5=E=Eagle=Scorpio=Mars (also Aries)/Uranus (It could be Nibiru), 8=H=Human=Aquarius=Saturn (also capricorn)/Jupiter (Sagittarius' and Pisces' planets) and 11=L=Lion=Leo=Sun/Mercury (Gemini's and Virgo's planets).

I mentioned the hypothetical "invisible planet" Nibiru, also known as "the eye of God" in ancient Sumerian legends, I'm certain this is the planet Uranus.

12 zodiac signs (constellations)+10 "planets" (7, adding our closest star, our only natural satellite, a dwarf planet)=22 (like 23 and 24, mystical numbers).

And should I add the "gate of god" (Ophiuchus) and the "gate of man" (Orion).

Finally, the esoteric constellation Draco or the dragon surrounding in the north astronomical pole (Ursa Minor with its' brightest star Polaris), or the astrological degrees "parazodiac" between Virgo and Libra...and the star Tau Ceti in the constellation Cetus, another "parazodiac" between the zodiac constellations Pisces (the end of the astrological year) and Aries (to re/begin) with its planet theorized to have an extraterrestrial "humanoid" civilization. (the Annunaki?)
I will be back to answer this in about an hour.
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Thanks Opal. I try not to get swept up in decoding because whatís the chance Iíll be able to make sense of the answers, or wonít overheat my brain vs my body trying to figure it out.

You have an interest. What's the chance that as part of a friendly team, you might say something that surprises you, or that makes another think of something, that they would not of thought of if you had not been here to add your thoughts.

That is what I think the forum should be used for. Not for bickering and posturing. You give encouragement. That my dear, is a commodity. I like hearing your friendly tone.



Like which alien is suddenly going to admit me into his secret society just because I know how to say hello in his language.


Maybe itís just ďthere are patterns (or God) larger than us, and we have identified some pointers to our smallness / vastness...?
The discussion is interesting though and I trust you guys are pretty good at following threads through arcane information without getting lost, which is why I asked originally.
I will be back shortly
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Thanks Opal. I try not to get swept up in decoding because whatís the chance Iíll be able to make sense of the answers, or wonít overheat my brain vs my body trying to figure it out.

Like which alien is suddenly going to admit me into his secret society just because I know how to say hello in his language.

Well, you know, this is a public forum. And I welcome all languages, religions and all free thinking, considerate to other peoples opinions here.

That said, equally, I will run a tight ship and call out anyone that is being intentionally rude to anyone, or that strays totally from the thread.

I am interested in this subject, on this, the thread I started for this subject. I hope that anyone that has anything to add, more than the easily given sarcasm, feel free to add their opinion.

Maybe itís just ďthere are patterns (or God) larger than us, and we have identified some pointers to our smallness / vastness...?
The discussion is interesting though and I trust you guys are pretty good at following threads through arcane information without getting lost, which is why I asked originally.
I am only human. I like some different stuff. I do not think of me being pretty good, I just find, that some people have shared interests. I just learned something yesterday. Petosiris has an interest in this subject. That is cool. I hope he feels free to return and add to the conversations.
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Thanks Opal. I try not to get swept up in decoding because whatís the chance Iíll be able to make sense of the answers, or wonít overheat my brain vs my body trying to figure it out. Like which alien is suddenly going to admit me into his secret society just because I know how to say hello in his language.
Maybe itís just ďthere are patterns (or God) larger than us, and we have identified some pointers to our smallness / vastness...?
The discussion is interesting though and I trust you guys are pretty good at following threads through arcane information without getting lost, which is why I asked originally.
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After reading this thread, I understand the secret code, the "key of mysteries".

2=B=Bull=Taurus=Venus (also Libra)/Moon (Cancer's ruler), 5=E=Eagle=Scorpio=Mars (also Aries)/Uranus (It could be Nibiru), 8=H=Human=Aquarius=Saturn (also capricorn)/Jupiter (Sagittarius' and Pisces' planets) and 11=L=Lion=Leo=Sun/Mercury (Gemini's and Virgo's planets).

Hi Cap,

Well, I like the first three, good numerology, but, L is 3, but, I like your thought pattern!

I mentioned the hypothetical "invisible planet" Nibiru, also known as "the eye of God" in ancient Sumerian legends, I'm certain this is the planet Uranus.

Is Nibiru, one of Uranian astrology's hypothetical planets, I don't think so, a friend of mine used to be into it. So it's origin is different. I have heard of it, but I don't know a lot about it. That said, what do the Sumerian's say of "the eye of god" what is attributed to it, are they similar or the same as Uranus's domain?

12 zodiac signs (constellations)+10 "planets" (7, adding our closest star, our only natural satellite, a dwarf planet)=22 (like 23 and 24, mystical numbers).

And should I add the "gate of god" (Ophiuchus) and the "gate of man" (Orion).

Finally, the esoteric constellation Draco or the dragon surrounding in the north astronomical pole (Ursa Minor with its' brightest star Polaris), or the astrological degrees "parazodiac" between Virgo and Libra...and the star Tau Ceti in the constellation Cetus, another "parazodiac" between the zodiac constellations Pisces (the end of the astrological year) and Aries (to re/begin) with its planet theorized to have an extraterrestrial "humanoid" civilization. (the Annunaki?)
Okay, I am confused. I see that, I think you are pointing out the pole stars, that change with the ages. but I am not sure how you are using the one of the keys to arrive at it.
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Klatu Narada Nictu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9URM_5R-vWk

Is that how these guys got their name?
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Ive thought about it some and I figure the red spook underneath the wheel is maybe to be interpreted as the opposite of the Sphinx who is sitting here on top with the sword of discernment, namely if the Sphinx is the one who asks questions (I theorize she asks of everyone a different question but the answer is always the same) this figure might be the one who doesn't ask questions.

On top of the wheel is the law of contract, below it is, just, open space and the free-flowing sports of opportunism.

I think such spirits have had too numerous names to mention and to mention some of their names is probably not the wisest thing for me now or in general - magic is magic after all.
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