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"Leo Moon, Leo Sun, Leo Rising generally when they aren't in aresholey signs are great!" <- I can agree to this! So far those that I have met have been having my back being supportive and loyal and loving. I know this aunt, she is Scorpio sun and Leo moon, man~ she is the best. She is so caring and loving, if any day I lose her, I would definitely cry my eyes out.

As for me, My 1st house is having a hard time to balance with my Leo sun. I like to be private, quiet and isolated and my sun say no no, go out and shine and be happy then Pluto was like no no, that endless push and pull, LOL
I'm the same my emotions want to be out there displaying the outgoing me me me and then Cap/satunr wants to be all serious and Pluto wants to be all mysterious etc and Jupiter wants to go all out with the libra thing. But for you use the Leo placement to your advantage and go out there! I'm using me emotional Leo moon but I have to tone it down a bit as the bad side of Leo may come out being its emotional Leo and not Sun Leo. I've come the realisation that emotion is just a feeling its not actually reality so when I do feel the push and pull I ignore it and use my placements to my advantage and when I need them eg if I need Pluto and Saturn its when I want to be taken seriously and need the respect and to be respectful but if I want fun I use Jupiter and if I want to have fun and be the leader and centre of attention I use Leo. I'm learning not to give a **** and look after myself and care what I think then I can help others and I feel that's a great way and mentality to look at things as no one really gives a ****.

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"Leo Moon, Leo Sun, Leo Rising generally when they aren't in aresholey signs are great!" <- I can agree to this! So far those that I have met have been having my back being supportive and loyal and loving. I know this aunt, she is Scorpio sun and Leo moon, man~ she is the best. She is so caring and loving, if any day I lose her, I would definitely cry my eyes out.

As for me, My 1st house is having a hard time to balance with my Leo sun. I like to be private, quiet and isolated and my sun say no no, go out and shine and be happy then Pluto was like no no, that endless push and pull, LOL
Plute! I've made a new thread Pisces. You need to look at the link I added on it! As we can't chat about it on here or the moderators will have issues!
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Here is the correct link..
http://astrologycookbookseries.com/rulership/

Actually, she writes something very interesting about how mercury and Venus were assigned to their signs. Never heard of this, but it does make sense.
She actually didn't write that. She credits Wikipedia.

There's nothing at that site about signs (presumably defined as everyone with the same sun sign) except what kinds of food they like and how they cook. I don't understand what "Leos like quality foods and will get the best if they can afford it" and "Leo chefs are kings of the kitchen. They like to have people help as they are of a group-oriented sign" has to do with weakening Leo.

Much less do I understand how Scorpio's purported food tastes ("Meat rare, root vegetables. Likes strong pungent tasting foods. Since Scorpio rules sex and sex organs, fallic foods such as brussell sprouts, pickles, and tomatillos are on the list of ingredients for this sign," and "Scorpians loves Anchovies, Clams, Eel, Lobster, Oysters, Sashimi, Snails (Escargot), Snake, blue cheeses. 100 year old eggs would be something worth serving. They eat the unexpected") and preference to "make a dinner by themselves and then surprise their audience" constitute a portrayal of Scorpio as the strongest sign. There's nothing at all here about how strong or weak the signs are, let alone compared to other signs.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

"She actually didn't write that."
Doesn't matter, it's an interesting concept.
The rest, as you say, is complete nonsense.
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"She actually didn't write that."
Doesn't matter, it's an interesting concept.
The rest, as you say, is complete nonsense.
The entire premise of this thread is complete nonsense. Might as well just have fun with it.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

If there were ever an argument by skeptics against intelligent people taking astrology seriously, this thread would provide many examples. Osamenor, that sun-sign "cookbook" just takes the cake!
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

Love it 😛🤣
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If there were ever an argument by skeptics against intelligent people taking astrology seriously, this thread would provide many examples. Osamenor, that sun-sign "cookbook" just takes the cake!
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Leo isnít at all the only sign to get maligned, but the reason it gets maligned is a unique one and itís very telling of a modern trend: Lack of healthy ego. People with healthy egos in general are maligned and since Leo is popularly associated with the ego, thereís a little symbolic scapegoat to pin this particular weakness on while people try to evade the fact they have unhealthy relationships with their egos

Similarly, Cancer gets maligned because itís associated with emotion and itís pretty clear to me at least that so many people are lacking in emotional awareness and ability to be honest with themselves or anyone else about what they really feel

Itís similar to any sign that is one of the current whipping boys. It always marks something that the collective is grappling with and from that POV is actually quite fascinating, although maddening

Unfortunately, I can see these aspects of pop astrology invading sites like this one where people strive to dive deeper. The glorification of certain signs and the maligning of others is still there altho less pronounced

I think because my 12th house is cusped by Leo Iíve had this particular relationship with my own ego where Iíve felt like I am not allowed to love myself or to be centered in my body yet I so desperately want to. That need becomes suppressed, just background music playing on repeat until I noticed it and began working on it. But simultaneously that suppression, that unhealthy relationship, made it to where my ego would express itself in ways that I wouldnít own or Iíd feel strangely disembodied from as if that wasnít even me who said that thing or did that thing. So after noticing this odd aspect of myself I had to start thinking about ego, presence, relationship with the self and I know that modern western society is completely not conducive at all to a healthy relationship with the self

The funniest thing is is that people glorify certain signs perhaps as being powerful in some form when if they looked at what theyíre more inclined to fire hatred toward, there would be the truest key to their own personal power
Well said.

I think it's a waste of time complaining about how a sign is represented, whether it be among pop astrology sources or more respected astrologers. There are always many, many angles to each sign, and how it manifests depends on the maturity of the person. And sure, maybe some signs are slightly more glorified/vilified in different decades, but that often goes back to what planets are in the sky at the time and the general energies in the time/place.

Leos can be amazing, and they can be awful too. You could write pages on each sign with exactly those sentiments.
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Leos can turn from the sweetest person on earth to the rudest and heartless in just a blink of an eye if you ***** them over, as they are one of the toughest people you will have ever come across with the biggest heart.
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You mean the wimpy Leos cowering in fear before the wrath of the all-mighty Scorpios?
Oh no, save the big lion from tiny creepy crawlies lol
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

So what would you do with a scorpio sun/leo ascendent???
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So what would you do with a scorpio sun/leo ascendent???
Interesting take is that Drake (rapper) has a decent mix of Leo and Scorpio in his chart
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

I definitely agree that people over-hype Scorpio, but I think perhaps you're taking criticisms of Leo too personally. I for one, have seen the harshest criticisms tend to fall on earth signs and Geminis. Most of what I've read about Leo in pop astrology is all glowingly positive. They may make a nod to their ego and sensitivity, but for the most part, it's all "you're so fun, you're so creative, you have such a big heart, you're the life of the party, everybody loves you".

Also, I don't think I've ever seen anyone call Leo a "forgive and forget" sign. lol None of the fixed signs let things go, and that seems like pretty common knowledge.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

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In regards to the question, I believe there are many elements that one has to factor in.

As I'm not necessarily equipped to delve into the specifics, I do happen to have strong Leo influence within my alignments and can offer that particular insight.

As for myself, power & strength are intrinsic elements of our nature. As we may know this & embody it, we do not have the need/desire to act upon it. To prove it. We know it. We are the embodiment of it. We also live on principle. First & foremost, we have heart. The heart of the lion. This, I believe to be the major differentiating factor.

A "Powerful" Scorpio may be cruel, callous, and calculating. May hide, weaken their opponents- physically/emotionally/mentally - even have others do their bidding, then strike at the lowest possible state a being can be at. Claim "strength" & "power".

While a Leo probably doesn't even acknowledge such an "opponent". It doesn't exist. They are not dependent on external sources: people, weaponry, etc. They do not need "validation" of any kind. A Leo could have just about every odd stacked against them & still annihilate & dominate. They know it. They do not have to prove it. Nor do most have the desire to. Again, the heart of the lion. Principles. Morals. Ethics.

A "Strong" Scorpion may shatter at a displeasing word / harsh criticism spoken
/ uttered to them. May break under the slightest "hardship" or "pressure" bestowed upon them.

The strength of a Leo can & will withstand the stuggles, obstacles, and challenges of 100 lifetimes. They know the majority would break under the pressure of one hardship they may have encountered in their lifetime. Let alone 100 lifetimes.

There seems to be a difference between one who actually has it & one who desires it.

Also, our society seems to have an extremely perverse understanding of what power & strength really are. Like everything else.

Again, this a very base application.
I would actually argue Leo might be the weakest sign in the zodiac. Just because they know they can handle anything, doesn't mean they actually can. There's evidence enough for that in the fact that their go-to method of coping is denial and willful ignorance. Ignoring the problem or person. Like you said, that person doesn't exist to them. But the fact is, a person with a healthy strength of character doesn't need anyone who insults or challenges them to disappear. The fact that they don't exist to them is proof just how badly Leo does need validation. Without the right mix of supporting features, Leo on its own lacks the fortitude to face harsh realities, especially about themselves. This method of coping speaks volumes.
They also wouldn't need to be so self-aggrandizing if their abilities could speak for themselves. This is in itself is a form of coping.
It's easy for people to get wrapped up in Leo's vivacious self promotion, but ask enough questions, ask them to show you what makes them so great, and the circus they put on starts unravelling fast. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's witnessed their share of Leos tantruming over a minor or even imagined slight to their ego.

In relation to Scorpio, while I would call Scorpio stronger, more powerful, it's not a healthy power. Not for them or those subjected to it. But ultimately, however toxic their coping, Scorpio can take a hit.
Because of the life I've led, I've known many, many people who come from abusive homes. The Leos, basically without exception, broke. They turned inward, they became too afraid of people to put themselves out there in any way. The abused Scorpios may have done some questionable things along the way (and still now), but they held it together. The are intractably themselves, and all the weathering the world could throw at them can't stop that force.
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I almost see Scorpio as that jealous kid who is desperate for attention but then acts edgy to get it. Envy has had to have been associated with this sign for good. The desperation to spam the internet claiming to be powerful and vengeful, it is almost like someone is desperate to be seen as strong as a result of lacking power in themselves.
They feel vulnerable. This is part of how they try to protect themselves.

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I have to see, not just against Leos but especially against Air signs, Scorpios get outwitted and out-strategized hard.
I think Scorpio is one of the signs that really lends to intelligence, actually.
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I have noticed that lots of people like calling themselves plutonian.
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I would actually argue Leo might be the weakest sign in the zodiac.
I don't think that a sign that the sun is dignified in can really be the "weakest" sign.

Moreover, I don't really think there is such thing as a strongest or weakest sign. Each one has its own unique ways of coping. Besides, how does one even quantify strength? Your idea of strength may be someone else's idea of weakness. Each side can present their case convincingly with just clever wording, but doesn't necessarily make it so.

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Forget about "might" and go with love and morality. I wish the entire human race would.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

I kinda half-agree with this post. There are people who are too biased towards Scorpio!
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

It goes in cycles. In the 1980's and 1990's, most people only looked at the shadow side of Scorpio. Then after 2000, people started looking at the bright side of Scorpios, more.

I do see that there's an agenda to soften Leo's light a bit for the past 21 years too, though.
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I disagree with puddle's post about Scorpios thriving in adversity and overcoming it. If anything, I notice that most Scorpios I have seen and met have been chronic underachievers who had everything handed to them yet rarely amounted to much in life unless there was some serious fraud or help.

Yet when I think of Leos, I think of Arnold or of Bill Clinton. I think of Tom Brady, a 6th round draft pick. I think of Woody Harrelson. I think of Barack Obama.

All men who had a very tough go early on in life and were not even supposed to have a chance for success. Men who were never given a chance at greatness because they grew up in single parent homes, had a father in jail, grew up dirt poor, or were always overlooked compared to others in their younger years.

Yet these very men who came through and delivered like none other.

I see Scorpios are more of the spoiled brat that has to be spoon fed answers on a test.

Whenever I have seen Scorpio men accomplish anything in life, it seems to always come with some special aid or some sort of an asterisk. Like you know they never really deserved it and it took a freak accident for them to get there. Perhaps that is why so many are bitter people deep down, it is for that very realization.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

Any conversation about abuse, scorpio signs always monopolize it and claim they suffer the most and everyone else is weak and can't compare blah blah blah.

Other signs/people dont get a chance to talk about their own because of this.
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Any conversation about abuse, scorpio signs always monopolize it and claim they suffer the most and everyone else is weak and can't compare blah blah blah.

Other signs/people dont get a chance to talk about their own because of this.
Hayyy dude, we're like pluto Okaaayyyy, GAW! - rolls eyes -

And ugh, I like haet dat bietch for having it so gewd, lemme cast muh pluto spell and muh mars in Scorpio on her cuz.
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Quite an eyeopener to me, all this psychoanalysis of me, scorpio!
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