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Gavin786

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Hello everyone,

Just want to introduce myself, my name is Gavin and I have been developing astrological software for many years, and I am currently the primary developer of the Prometheus astrology software program. I always have my ears and eyes open for good ideas or ways to make better software for the astrological community, which I always love to hear and I am very receptive to.

I probably should have joined this forum many years ago, but I am here now, and hope to learn and share much with you all.

Peace be with you,

Gavin
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hello everyone,

Just want to introduce myself, my name is Gavin and I have been developing astrological software for many years,
and I am currently the primary developer of the Prometheus astrology software program.

I always have my ears and eyes open for good ideas
or ways to make better software for the astrological community,
which I always love to hear and I am very receptive to.


I probably should have joined this forum many years ago,
but I am here now,
and hope to learn and share much with you all.

Peace be with you,

Gavin
Hello Gavin and welcome, peace be with you also
now's my opportunity to ask whether you factor THE EQUATION OF TIME when calculating any natal chart :smile:

table of THE EQUATION OF TIME
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/exo/sundials/equation_of_time.html

GENERAL INFO ON THE EQUATION OF TIME http://www.sundials.co.uk/equation.htm
 

Gavin786

Member
Dear JupiterAsc,

In the past when I have been asked a technical question about astronomical ephemeris calculation it usually means someone is developing their own astrological software program or app. I will reply to your question in that spirit.

For the calculation of planetary(and Solar) positions, the equation of time(difference between mean and true solar time) should not be needed; the position of the Sun and other Planets can be calculated exactly for any given instant in time.

What is needed is a calculation called Delta-T, which is similar in some ways to the equation of time, and what I originally thought you meant by your question before reading it again more carefully. I have spent some time writing this reply so I will post it anyway in the hope some might find it interesting.

Trying to make it as simple as I can : The earth rotates at a variable rate, that is, given an absolutely regular clock the time for 1 solar day is not the same in May 2014 as it was in January 1AD. Even though this difference might be very slight, it accumulates to a significant level over the course of hundreds of years. This presents a problem for the developers of astronomical ephemeris, as the position of a planet at a given point in time needs to be calculated with reference to an absolutely regular clock. This theoretical absolutely regular clock time is called “ephemeris time”. The difference between the local time on earth as defined by the earth's rotation, and this absolutely regular clock is called “Delta-T”. The calculation of Delta-T is necessary for all astrological software programs, and can amount to quite a substantial difference, especially for times in antiquity. The truth is that there is no really good and verified model of Delta-T, there are simply best guesses, usually based upon recorded astronomical phenomena in antiquity and the local time when they were observed. This means that, for example, it is not possible to know with certainty the minute of arc the sun was at the time of Julius Caesar's birth. Most professional level astrological software programs(including Prometheus) agree with each other as to this position because they all use the Swiss Ephemeris internally to do the astronomical calculations. This should not be taken as a sign that these values are in any way definitive.

The first program that we did at Capricorn Astrology Software was AstrologyExplorer3D version 1.0. In this program, we did not use the Swiss Ephemeris, but instead developed our own ephemeris based upon NASA's JPL Horizons, which we used as a baseline to verify our calculations. JPL Horizons did(at the time we created AstrologyExplorer3D ~ 2007 or so) differ from the Swiss Ephemeris calculations by quite a bit, especially for times in antiquity as both systems used different formulae to calculate the Delta-T. (Just to be clear we are not in any way endorsed or affiliated with JPL).

My advice for anyone wishing to create their own astrological software, regards calculations such as Delta-T, and the other myriad of calculations needed such as aberration, parallax, light-time correction and so on is :

1. Dont. Get and use the Swiss Ephemeris instead. The price for the professional licence will greatly pay for itself in the time you dont need to spend developing features for your ephemeris. Ultimately this was our main consideration in switching from a custom-written ephemeris to Swiss Ephemeris.

2. If you must develop your own ephemeris, get a copy of “The Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac” http://www.amazon.com/Explanatory-Supplement-Astronomical-Almanac-Urban/dp/1891389858. This book is not an easy read, be warned, but contains much of the theory and formulae needed to create an ephemeris, and we found it a valuable reference. Also, once you are finished with it, it may be profitably used as a gift for your least favourite friend.

3. The JPL horizons system http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi was invaluable to our development efforts as it allowed us to test each part of the calculations step-by-step from the initial positioning of the planets in ephemeris time as cartesian coordinates through to the final visual position of the planets. Make sure you use an equally good system to test your results against as you go, it will make life a whole lot easier.

4. Remember developing an ephemeris is a non-trivial task and using quality software development tools is a must. I dont want to stir up any controversy so I wont recommend any specific software, just make sure there are excellent debugging facilities and preferably edit-and-continue, which I certainly found very valuable on this task.

Peace be with you,

Gavin
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Thank you Gavin 786....Given the complexity of the subject, your response is refreshingly succinct :smile:
Much appreciated
Meanwhile, I would be most interested if you have any observations to make regarding the subject matter of a thread a
t http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75316 LOCAL MEAN TIME QUESTION

Depends upon which posted chart is based on the CLOCK TIME of your birth
(if neither are based on clock time, then another chart based on clock time, would need to be erected for the birth location)

A Note:

astro.com does adjust clock time to local mean time;
HOWEVER,
it does NOT adjust clock time to LOCAL APPARENT TIME (the actual Sun time)
-few available programs make this adjustment,
the vast majority settling upon adjusting clock time to LMT,
then adjusting LMT to sidereal time,
for erecting the chart;

but in old times, when sundials and waterclocks were used,
all charts were erected for LOCAL APPARENT TIME
- this pretty much ended when international time conventions began being used in the late 1800's early 1900's..
.
 
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