david starling
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I can just imagine what it would be like if I agreed with your ideas...
"AppLeo, you are wise beyond your years! You're so intelligent."
Age is just a number. Experience and abilities are what count.
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Age is just a number. Experience and abilities are what count.
JUPITERASC
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And youth does not mean "correct" opinions and argumentsAnd you have because you're older??
I guess it doesn't really matter your opinion and your arguments.
If you're old that automatically makes your ideas correct
and anyone who disagrees must be young and naive.
What kind of irrational logic is that.
Age doesn't mean a **** thing.
Similarly, if Cap agreed with your ideasI can just imagine what it would be like if I agreed with your ideas...
"AppLeo, you are wise beyond your years! You're so intelligent."
"Cap you are so intelligent and wise despite your ancient years!"
JUPITERASC
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MOON is swiftest moving celestial body visiting each SIGN once a month aka "moonth"
and therefore
a good example proving that Tropical Astrology
is most definitely NOT a reflection of current skies
but instead reflects skies as they were 2000 years ago
because
the visible MOON
IS NOT ALWAYS IN SAME SIGN BOTH TROPICALLY AND SIDEREALLY
anyone may check by quite simply viewing local clear skies
when Moon is above horizon
notice that today for example
Moon is currently 20° SIDEREAL LIBRA
BUT
14° TROPICAL SCORPIO
because
There is a minimum difference of 20°
up to
a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL
and
Any planet at 0° of ANY TROPICAL sign
when viewed SIDEREALLY
is between approximately 6° - 10° to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIGN dependent on the ayanamsha
david starling
Well-known member
MOON is swiftest moving celestial body visiting each SIGN once a month aka "moonth"
and therefore
a good example proving that Tropical Astrology
is most definitely NOT a reflection of current skies
but instead reflects skies as they were 2000 years ago
because
the visible MOON
IS NOT ALWAYS IN SAME SIGN BOTH TROPICALLY AND SIDEREALLY
anyone may check by quite simply viewing local clear skies
when Moon is above horizon
notice that today for example
Moon is currently 20° SIDEREAL LIBRA
BUT
14° TROPICAL SCORPIO
because
There is a minimum difference of 20°
up to
a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL
and
Any planet at 0° of ANY TROPICAL sign
when viewed SIDEREALLY
is between approximately 6° - 10° to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIGN dependent on the ayanamsha
You're equating ""Sign" with "Constellation", which runs contrary to Tropical precepts. You're also ignoring the fact that Sidereal Astrology places equal Signs on constellations of unequal length, which proves that "Sign" and "Constellation" are not the same thing.
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JUPITERASC
Well-known member
There are SIDEREAL SIGNS
and
TROPICAL SIGNS
2000 years ago Tropical Signs WERE in sync with Sidereal Signs
HOWEVER
due to precession of the Equinoxes
Tropical "signs" ARE NO LONGER IN SYNC with Sidereal signs
Signs of the original sidereal zodiac, each thirty degrees long,
coincide closely with the twelve astronomical constellations of the same name
whereas the signs of the tropical zodiac
since they are defined in relation to the vernal point
now have no direct relationship to the corresponding zodiacal constellations
owing to the precession of the equinoxes over the past 2000 years
Tropical and Sidereal signs return to being in sync in approximately twenty four thousand years
the division of the ecliptic into tropical astrological signs
was originally a derivation of Euctemon's tropical Calendar of Seasons (432 B.C.);
"...dividing the solar year into twelve equal months
commencing with the vernal equinox, in which each solar (tropical) month
is named after one of each of the twelve signs..." Dr. Robert Powell
device currently described as 'The Tropical Zodiac'
was originally used by astronomers as a calendar
and not 'a Tropical zodiac'
from which the first day of Spring
or Vernal Equinox was inferred
- the twelve 30[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]º[/FONT] demarcations of which thereafter
were intended as simply demarcations of the twelve months of the year
and not intended to be construed as 'star signs of The Tropical zodiac'
and so
notice that today for example
Moon is currently 20° SIDEREAL LIBRA
BUT
14° TROPICAL SCORPIO
because
There is a minimum difference of 20°
up to
a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL SIGNS AND SIDEREAL SIGNS
and
Any planet at 0° of ANY TROPICAL sign
when viewed SIDEREALLY
is between approximately 6° - 10° to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIGN dependent on the ayanamsha
brief bio:
Robert A. Powell born Reading, England, 1947
graduated in mathematics at Sussex university 1968
awarded Master's degree in statistics there 1969. 1969 to 1976
then lectured in mathematics & statistics
in Department of Computing and Cybernetics at Brighton Polytechnic.
1971 elected Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society.
From its inception in 1971 he was a tutor in mathematics for Open University, until 1974.
He left Brighton Polytechnic in 1976 to complete research on history of the zodiac
& during 1976-77 Robert A. Powell was visiting lecturer in astronomy
and the history of astronomy at Emerson College, England
and also researched astronomical chronology at the Mathematisch- Physikalisches Institut, Dornach, near Basel, Switzerland.
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JUPITERASC
Well-known member
On the contrary
study Hellenistic Astrology Time Lord methodology
which takes into account THE RISING TIMES OF THE SIGNS
i.e.
there are signs of long ascension
and signs of short ascension
JUPITERASC
Well-known member
Clearly some people are unaware that for those not living at home
with their parents
but instead fending for themselves
in the world of work
in many cases working three or four jobs just to pay rent , debts
and put food on the table
health insurance is simply not affordable
also
homeless people as well as people living in tent cities
lack the means to pay health insurance
Cap
Well-known member
LOL
Actually, I do feel ancient at heart!
All I can remember is one incarnation in India some 6000 years ago, haven't been on this planet that much. Quite a different place these days!
david starling
Well-known member
There are SIDEREAL SIGNS
and
TROPICAL SIGNS
2000 years ago Tropical Signs WERE in sync with Sidereal Signs
HOWEVER
due to precession of the Equinoxes
Tropical "signs" ARE NO LONGER IN SYNC with Sidereal signs
Signs of the original sidereal zodiac, each thirty degrees long,
coincide closely with the twelve astronomical constellations of the same name
whereas the signs of the tropical zodiac
since they are defined in relation to the vernal point
now have no direct relationship to the corresponding zodiacal constellations
owing to the precession of the equinoxes over the past 2000 years
Tropical and Sidereal signs return to being in sync in approximately twenty four thousand years
the division of the ecliptic into tropical astrological signs
was originally a derivation of Euctemon's tropical Calendar of Seasons (432 B.C.);
"...dividing the solar year into twelve equal months
commencing with the vernal equinox, in which each solar (tropical) month
is named after one of each of the twelve signs..." Dr. Robert Powell
device currently described as 'The Tropical Zodiac'
was originally used by astronomers as a calendar
and not 'a Tropical zodiac'
from which the first day of Spring
or Vernal Equinox was inferred
- the twelve 30[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]º[/FONT] demarcations of which thereafter
were intended as simply demarcations of the twelve months of the year
and not intended to be construed as 'star signs of The Tropical zodiac'
and so
notice that today for example
Moon is currently 20° SIDEREAL LIBRA
BUT
14° TROPICAL SCORPIO
because
There is a minimum difference of 20°
up to
a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL SIGNS AND SIDEREAL SIGNS
and
Any planet at 0° of ANY TROPICAL sign
when viewed SIDEREALLY
is between approximately 6° - 10° to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIGN dependent on the ayanamsha
brief bio:
Robert A. Powell born Reading, England, 1947
graduated in mathematics at Sussex university 1968
awarded Master's degree in statistics there 1969. 1969 to 1976
then lectured in mathematics & statistics
in Department of Computing and Cybernetics at Brighton Polytechnic.
1971 elected Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society.
From its inception in 1971 he was a tutor in mathematics for Open University, until 1974.
He left Brighton Polytechnic in 1976 to complete research on history of the zodiac
& during 1976-77 Robert A. Powell was visiting lecturer in astronomy
and the history of astronomy at Emerson College, England
and also researched astronomical chronology at the Mathematisch- Physikalisches Institut, Dornach, near Basel, Switzerland.
Who cares if Tropical-signs are in sync with Sidereal-signs? They're different systems of measurement. And, Siderealists, like Tropicalists, use equal Signs, not withstanding the unequal lengths of the Constellations. Tropicalists can use individual stars as indicators, because they move through the Tropical-Zodiac due to Precession of the Equinoxes.
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JUPITERASC
Well-known member
Fact is 2000 years ago Tropical signs and Sidereal signs were in sync
but have gradually drifted apart due to precession
Unequal lengths of constellations are taken into account
by applying RISING SIGNS OF THE TIMES to Hellenistic Time Lords
Tropicalists using individual fixed stars as indicators
ignore that those stars have precessed
and are no longer at their previous locations 2000 years ago
fact is
constellaltion visible in local skies
moments before sun rises at Vernal Equinox
is NOT 0° Aries
but instead is currently 6° Pisces
BECAUSE
and
Any planet at 0° of ANY TROPICAL sign
when viewed SIDEREALLY
i.e.
when the local actual skies are viewed
using for example the MOON viewed with background constellation
is between approximately 6° - 10°
to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIDEREAL SIGN dependent on the ayanamsha
david starling
Well-known member
Actually, many stars have meanings of their own, apart from Sidereal-signs. And Tropicalists can locate them relative to the Tropical-signs, NOW, regardless of where they were located in the past. Tropically, stars are free to move around the Zodiac!
JUPITERASC
Well-known member
Actually, the word Sidereal has a meaning
SIDEREAL = determined by or from the stars: sidereal time.
Of or relating to the stars.
hence sidereal signs are "star signs"
whereas although TROPICAL signs were once in sync with SIDEREAL signs
the fact is
due to precession of the Equinoxes over the past two thousand years
TROPICAL signs no longer relate to SIDEREAL signs
TROPICAL signs are frozen to 2000 year old Fixed star locations
which have since precessed
therefore
TROPICAL signs no longer relate to CURRENT locations of Fixed stars
SIDEREAL signs do relate to CURRENT locations of Fixed stars
The device currently described as 'The Tropical Zodiac'
was originally used by astronomers as a calendar
and not 'a Tropical zodiac'
from which the first day of Spring
or Vernal Equinox
was inferred - the twelve 30[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]º[/FONT] demarcations of which thereafter
were intended as simply demarcations of the twelve months of the year
and not intended to be construed as 'star signs of The Tropical zodiac'
Astrological qualities were later attributed to the twelve calendar months
which were then construed as 'tropical signs'
as a result of the influence of Ptolemy
who was not an astrologer
and the actual sidereal zodiac was and is ignored by western 'Tropicalists'
david starling
Well-known member
Modern historians are so dismissive of Astrology that they refuse to admit that the separation between "Astrology" and "Astronomy" occurred in the 18th Century A.D. So, it's anachronistic to claim that Tropical Astrology was merely an invention of "pure Astronomy", because in Ancient Greco-Roman culture, Astronomy was INCLUDED in the word Astrology. Most sources do describe Ptolemy as an "Astrologer", but modern historians generally insist on anachronisticly labeling Hipparchus an "Astronomer".
Some Western Astrologers who practice a form of Sidereal-astrology are understandably frustrated by the overwhelming popularity of Tropical-astrology in the Western world, and often side with Astrology-distaining, modern historians in an attempt to dismissively (and erroneously) portray the Tropical version as "Astronomy", instead of "Astrology".
Some Western Astrologers who practice a form of Sidereal-astrology are understandably frustrated by the overwhelming popularity of Tropical-astrology in the Western world, and often side with Astrology-distaining, modern historians in an attempt to dismissively (and erroneously) portray the Tropical version as "Astronomy", instead of "Astrology".
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Roxyrxc
Active member
Only in sidereal.
Aries moon and mars in Sidereal, Taurus moon and mars in Tropical.
Do you resonate more with Aries moon or Taurus moon ?
I have a Taurus moon but get angry like the Aries moon does ... and I'm horrible at making friends even though my moon is in the 11th house ..either way
sidereal really confuses me but it may be just as spot on as tropical is..
JUPITERASC
Well-known member
SIDEREAL signs ARE used by Astronomers
TROPICAL signs ARE NOT used by Astronomers
simply
because
Tropical Signs reflect the location of
Sidereal signs as they once were in the skies two thousand years ago
Tropicalists refuse to accept
that the sun has not risen at 0 Aries at the Vernal Equinox for the past two thousand years
HOWEVER
Astronomers take account of precession of the Equinoxes
because
Astronomers view actual local night skies
i.e.
when day dawns at Spring Equinox
ASTRONOMERS VIEWING LOCAL SKIES NOTICE THAT
the constellation rising prior to sunrise itself
is NOT 0° Aries
but
due to PRECESSION
is instead 6° Pisces
when viewing the same natal chart using Tropical Sidereal comparison
there is a minimum difference of 20° up to a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL
i.e.
Any planet at 0° OF ANY TROPICAL SIGN
when viewed SIDEREALLY
is between approximately 6° - 10° to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIGN dependent on the ayanamshaof
A VISUAL ILLUSTRATION
OF
TROPICAL & SIDEREAL PERSPECTIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-...eature=related
Ptolemy's main work on astronomy, written in about the year 142
has been considered by almost all scholars since then
to be a work of genius in which Ptolemy developed theories that represented the astronomical motions
as accurately as naked-eye observations could follow them.
Study shows that this is not so. As a result, much of the history of Greek astronomy
must be rewritten because Ptolemy bases all his theories of astronomical motions on observations
and he emphasizes the importance of doing so.
From that standpoint, Ptolemys approach to astronomy is the same as that of a modern astronomer.
It is important to keep this point in mind while appraising Ptolemy and his actions.
Roughly half the observations that Ptolemy uses are ones he claims to have made himself
the rest are credited to astronomers earlier than himself.
Some of the observations he uses
were allegedly made more than eight centuries before his own time by the Babylonians.
Unfortunately, most of those early Babylonian "observations" were in fact fabricated by Ptolemy
the earliest one he gives that is likely to be genuine
is an observation of a lunar eclipse made on 19 November 501
Robert Russell Newton, also R. R. Newton 7 July 1918 - 2 June 1991
brief bio:
R R NEWTON was an American physicist, astronomer, and historian of science.
Newton was Supervisor of the Applied Physics Laboratory at Johns Hopkins University.
He was known for his book The Crime of Claudius Ptolemy (1977).
In Newton's view, Ptolemy was "the most successful fraud in the history of science".
Newton showed that Ptolemy had predominantly obtained the astronomical results described in his work The Almagest
by computation and not by the direct observations that Ptolemy described.
Distrust of Ptolemy's observations goes back at least as far as doubts raised in the 16th century
by Tycho Brahe
and in the 18th Century by Delambre.
Arthur Berry made similar remarks in about 1899
R. R. Newton also made a charge of conscious falsification.
Newton was also known for his work on change of the rotation rate of the earth
and historical observations of eclipses.
JUPITERASC
Well-known member
Do not rule either out RoxyrxcDo you resonate more with Aries moon or Taurus moon ?
I have a Taurus moon but get angry like the Aries moon does ...
and I'm horrible at making friends
even though my moon is in the 11th house ..either way
but it may be just as spot on as tropical is..
responsea to your question
are entirely dependent on the particular methodology and therefore opinion
favored by the individual astrologer
for example
not everyone is aware dwarf planet pluto is a Modernist astrology "planet"
WHY PLUTO IS NO LONGER A PLANEThttp://www.universetoday.com/13573/w...nger-a-planet/
IS PLUTO AN ASTROLOGICAL PLANET discussion at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=80531
also as far as how many asteroids there are
well, if you only consider those larger than 100 meters orbiting within the inner Solar System
there’s over 150 MILLION.
Count smaller ones and you get even more.http://www.space.com/51-asteroids-formation-discovery-and-exploration.html
our forum is designed to accommodate the opinions of any and all astrologies
these are instructions
HOW TO ATTACH A CHART TO YOUR POST ON THE FORUM http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=12126
on the Extended Chart Selecton Page there is an option for choosing either Sidereal or Tropical chart
for a broader spectrum of opinion to consider
Simply post your natal chart on the Modern forum which is predominantly Tropical
and also
post your natal chart on the Vedic forum which is predominantly Sidereal
and also post your natal chart for a Traditional Western discussion
on our Traditional forum
then
you shall discover that
Modernist Western Tropical astrology
is very different from
Traditional Western Tropical astrology
and both
are very different from Vedic astrology
for those with a focus on STRICTLY MODERN ONLY
discussion is at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...splay.php?f=95
for those with a focus on STRICTLY TRADITIONAL ONLY
discussion is at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...splay.php?f=92
for those with a focus on STRICTLY VEDIC only
discussion is at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...splay.php?f=87
Our GENERAL NATAL ASTROLOGY board
is for BOTH Modern AND Traditional discussion
as well as for BOTH Sidereal AND Tropical discussion
and is at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...isplay.php?f=7
FORENSIC, HORARY, CHAT are amongst our many popular boards
david starling
Well-known member
Astronomers use "Right Ascension", a modified version of Tropical-astrology. Measurement is made along the Celestial Equator instead of the Ecliptic, in hours, minutes and seconds instead of degrees, but Tropical-astrology's First Point of Aries (at the Vernal Equinoctial Point) is also the first point in right ascension. The stars change position in Astronomy's right ascension measurements, just as they do in those of Tropical-astrology. Astronomers regard the Constellational images of the Sidereal-signs as mere relics of a superstitious Past. Most Tropical-astrologers regard Sidereal-astrology as a valid Astrological practice, albeit from a different perspective.
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Roxyrxc
Active member
Do not rule either out Roxyrxc
responsea to your question
are entirely dependent on the particular methodology and therefore opinion
favored by the individual astrologer
for example
not everyone is aware dwarf planet pluto is a Modernist astrology "planet"
WHY PLUTO IS NO LONGER A PLANEThttp://www.universetoday.com/13573/w...nger-a-planet/
IS PLUTO AN ASTROLOGICAL PLANET discussion at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=80531
also as far as how many asteroids there are
well, if you only consider those larger than 100 meters orbiting within the inner Solar System
there’s over 150 MILLION.
Count smaller ones and you get even more.http://www.space.com/51-asteroids-formation-discovery-and-exploration.html
our forum is designed to accommodate the opinions of any and all astrologies
these are instructions
HOW TO ATTACH A CHART TO YOUR POST ON THE FORUM http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=12126
on the Extended Chart Selecton Page there is an option for choosing either Sidereal or Tropical chart
for a broader spectrum of opinion to consider
Simply post your natal chart on the Modern forum which is predominantly Tropical
and also
post your natal chart on the Vedic forum which is predominantly Sidereal
and also post your natal chart for a Traditional Western discussion
on our Traditional forum
then
you shall discover that
Modernist Western Tropical astrology
is very different from
Traditional Western Tropical astrology
and both
are very different from Vedic astrology
for those with a focus on STRICTLY MODERN ONLY
discussion is at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...splay.php?f=95
for those with a focus on STRICTLY TRADITIONAL ONLY
discussion is at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...splay.php?f=92
for those with a focus on STRICTLY VEDIC only
discussion is at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...splay.php?f=87
Our GENERAL NATAL ASTROLOGY board
is for BOTH Modern AND Traditional discussion
as well as for BOTH Sidereal AND Tropical discussion
and is at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...isplay.php?f=7
FORENSIC, HORARY, CHAT are amongst our many popular boards
Firstly, You are awesome for how much time you put into your posts! In addition when I do formulate a sidereal chart which are the best options for me to choose? Should I include asteroids? And should it be drawn with regiomantus or placidus or whole house? And is there a specific ayanamsha that I should use? Vedic astrology is very respectable.. so I don't want to post something incorrectly.. also for modern and traditional western are there specific ways to draw these charts? Thanks for your awesomeness
JUPITERASC
Well-known member
The influence of Claudius Ptolemaeus
led to Astrological qualities being assigned to the twelve calendar months
tropical signs – so that what was originally intended as simply a Tropical calendar
instead morphed over the centuries into what is now referred to as the 'Tropical zodiac'
when unfortunately the term "signs" replaced "months."
The tropical calendar
tropical zodiac
was based upon the sun's declination above and below the earth's equator
not the sun's ecliptical longitude.
Tropical astrology simply says the first month of the year
is SYMBOLICALLY Aries and then continues around the 'zodiac'
Ptolemaeus was a mathematician
not an astronomer and perhaps never practised astrology
in fact there has not been a single horoscope found that was created by him.
Nevertheless the Mathematical Treatise in Four Books
aka Tetrabiblos
aka The Prognostics Addressed to Syrus
was a work destined to be the 'foundation' for modern Western astrology
no one knows how Claudius Ptolemaeus acquired the data for this work
but access to the now destroyed, defunct library at Alexandria is the best guess .
But it is now 21st Century
Earth is not the centre of the Universe
the Sun does not orbit Earth
Earth rotates on its own axis
which must mean that the Tropical Zodiac
is of necessity based upon the diurnal rotation of Earth
without taking into account Earth's orbit around the Sun.
The Tropical Zodiac of Claudius Ptolemaeus
was based on the false premise
that Earth is somehow suspended stationary in space
while the Sun and other planets are in orbit.
Claudius Ptolemaeus did not know that Earth rotates on its own axis
instead he thought Earth was stationary.
Or did he?
A disturbing accusation against Ptolemy is
that he intentionally skewed and/or doctored figures in order to accommodate his theories
because when a study of Ptolemy’s figures was done in 1977
the findings were that most of his data was fraudulent.
1977 findings “The Crime of Claudius Ptolemy” by R Newton.
IF Claudius Ptolomaeus had used correct numbers in his work
it might not have taken future scholars 1400 more years
to correct wrong ideas concerning the universe.
It is likely that Ptolemaeus the mathematician
- who knew enough about the precession of the equinoxes
as well as theories that the earth revolved around the sun
– nevertheless felt unable to oppose the prevailing status quo and write what he knew
- but instead made numbers fit into incorrect theories
bowing to pressure from political Old Testament/Biblical texts
that ruled the then status quo
and professed to believe that
the Sun and the planets orbit Earth.
JUPITERASC
Well-known member
Thank you - glad to be useful to you on your astrological journey
may you have fair winds and starry skies
that is your choice
important to be aware that
as far as how many asteroids there are
if you only consider those larger than 100 meters
orbiting within the inner Solar System
there’s over 150 MILLION.
Count smaller ones and you get even more. http://www.space.com/51-asteroids-formation-discovery-and-exploration.html
traditional Vedic astrology and Traditional Western astrology BOTH exclude asteroids
which is unsurprising
since
there are fifty thousand asteroids on EACH INDIVIDUAL DEGREE of ANY natal chart
Vedic astrology is indeed respectable
I recommend using Whole Sign Houses to draw the Sidereal Chart
there is an option to use the "outers off" choice by scrolling down on Extended Chart Selection Page
traditional Vedic astrology and traditional Western astrology both exclude outers
Lahiri ayanamsha is popular
you can always check when you upload your natal on the Vedic forum
whether Vedic astrologers responding there have any tips for you
regarding advantages of using one of the other ayanamshas
Lahiri is fine - you can always re-create later using another yanamsha if necessary
The majority of Modernist Western Astrologers use the Tropical option
with the default Placidus houses
also Modernist Western Astrologers use the outers
some Modernist Western Astrologers do prefer Whole Sign houses however
it is simply personal choice
Traditional Western astrologers use Whole Sign Houses for HELLENISTIC astrology http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43920
FOR HELLENISTIC METHODOLOGY
Vettius Valens THE ANTHOLOGY has been translated
from an Ancient Greek two thousand year old manuscript by Profesor Riley of CSU
and is FREE pdf online at http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/vettius valens entire.pdf
ROBERT SCHMIDT of PROJECT HINDSIGHT also translated Vettius Valens
as well as multiple other ancient texts from Greek, Latin and possibly Arabic
however the translations took many years so obviously all those years of work
are well worth the price of the translations only now available http://www.projecthindsight.com/
Dr BENJAMIN DYKES recent scholarly translations
of ancient Greek, Latin and Arabic astrological texts
are at http://bendykes.com/sahl.php
Traditional Horary astrologers prefer Regiomontanus Houses
because Lilly used Regiomontanus
Traditional Western astrologers also may use Alcabitius or Placidus
SIDEREAL WESTERN astrology may be of interest
we have one or two Sidereal Western astrologers
SOLUNARS is an excellent site to explore Sidereal Western http://www.solunars.com/
KENNETH BOWSER - WESTERN SIDEREAL ASTROLOGY http://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/
incidentally there is a useful and FREE online Introduction to Horary
A basic, introductory course on horary to get you started
- with interactive assignments and online resources
AND
vast Study Library of FREE texts on the web http://www.skyscript.co.uk/texts.html
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