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Question Famous friend - indicators of fame in a chart

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I have a relatively well known friend who is a singer and has been in the industry for the past 2 years, but has not had a major breakthrough yet. They are going on a tour next year as a support act for another artist. I've recently analyzed their chart and can't really find anything that screams huge fame or commercial success. I'd love to hear your opinions, as I might be missing something. Thanks!
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Re: Famous friend - indicators of fame in a chart

Some things that you might not have considered. Doryphory, Phasis, her most elevated planet, Angularity and fixed Star placements.

Doryphory

"In discussing natal testimonies to fame and honors, Ptolemy in his Tetrabiblos introduces an important relationship between the Luminaries and the other planets called “doryphory” or “spear-bearing”. Planets in doryphory act as heralds, assistants and guards to the Sun or the Moon."

"Planets in the doryphory of the Sun are any that are oriental (rising before the Sun) either in the Sun’s sign or the one preceding it by primary motion (ex. with the Sun at 15 Cancer, Venus at 2 Cancer and Mercury at 28 Gemini would be in the Sun’s doryphory). Conversely, planets in the Moon’s doryphory are those occidental to her (rising after her), either in her own sign or the one following (ex. with the Moon at 15 Gemini, Mercury at 28 Gemini and Venus at 2 Cancer would be in the Moon’s doryphory)."


Read more here - http://magnumopusastrology.com/amelia-earhart-

Phasis

"Phasis or Appearance, also Combust and Cazimi – This is when a planet appears for the last time in the sky before traveling too close to the Sun (“under the beams”) to observe or appears for the first time after emerging from the beams. Note that for Paulus Alexandrinus of the 4th century CE this condition only applies to planets emerging from the beams and not to those setting into them. This also marks out days of planetary prominence which vary in frequency depending on the planet."

You can read more here - http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/t...ry-prominence/

With regard to your friends chart -

She has her 10th house ruler and sect light angular in a Venusian sign (Taurus) which gears the career toward Venusian outlets - signing (Venus) and prominence/publicity (Sun) are implicated here. The 7th house is a house of partnership/others and it's interesting that she is a support for another artist.

The chart is a diurnal chart and that means that the diurnal planets (Sun, oriental Mercury, Saturn and Jupiter) will be more beneficial in a general way for her. The Sun's doryphory becomes more important to judge the fame of her chart. Lo and behold, all of diurnal planets are rising before the Sun in this chart which is a very strong indicator of fame - the example given in the link is that a strong doryphory can turn a general into an emperor.

But even with this, the doryphory of her Moon is just as powerful as those same planets rise after the Moon. This includes Venus as well which is located at 4 Cancer. Both lights have very strong doryphory which is a strong indication of fame and prominence in her chart.

Both Saturn and Mercury are making a phasis and are also angular - making them very powerful players in the chart. Again, both are located in a Venusian sign which gears them toward artistry, enjoyment, mirth, entertainment, delight etc. A powerful Mercury is also important for someone who uses their voice, and the aspect from Venus is very beneficial as planets prefer to be in aspect to their dispositor. Also, Mercury/Venus aspects are indicative of poetry, song-writing, and pleasant use of the voice.

Venus is the most elevated planet in her chart, and the planet that is most elevated is said to have a general pervasiveness in the life of the native. A famous artist is a good analogue for an elevated Venus. It should be noted that this Venus disposits the sign ruler.

Also, her ascendant ruler Mars is located on the fixed star Spica - a very powerful star that is said to be of the nature of Mercury and Venus - notice the repeating of themes in various ways in her chart.

More on Spica here - http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Spica.html

Bonus - her North Node is very close to her MC.

Based on these considerations, I can see that your friend has a lot going for her.
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Re: Famous friend - indicators of fame in a chart

The short answer is that if your friend has seriously pursued her singing career only in the past few years, that doesn't seem to be very long to me. We can think of many famous singers who had to wait a lot longer than that to make the big time.

With her north node in Leo in the 10th house, her personal growth does seem to lie in being in the public eye.

Periodically on this forum we see horoscopes of people wondering if they will make it as a musician, writer, painter, and so on. But if you look at the charts of famous artists, they literally are all over the map. This makes me think that there's not one signature for becoming an artist. The chart shows more of what kind of artist s/he will become.

What sort of music does she perform?
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There is a lot of Leo and foreign energy here. Will there be any bars/restaurants involved in the tour? That is where she will likely encounter opportunities for fame and especially if it involves a foreign country or foreign partners. She can have a powerful, successful and lucrative career. With Mars in the 12th, it could imply there are hidden enemies (legal/copyright/jealousy) so she should take caution.

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Re: Famous friend - indicators of fame in a chart

Did the good news of the tour come two weeks ago? She has a powerful voice.
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Re: Famous friend - indicators of fame in a chart

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There is a lot of Leo and foreign energy here. Will there be any bars/restaurants involved in the tour? That is where she will likely encounter opportunities for fame and especially if it involves a foreign country or foreign partners. She can have a powerful, successful and lucrative career. With Mars in the 12th, it could imply there are hidden enemies (legal/copyright/jealousy) so she should take caution.
You are right about that, as she was born and has lived in many countries overseas - that technically does make her a foreigner here in America. Lots of her current friends and people on her team are from elsewhere, so I guess that suits her. Also, what do you mean by Leo energy? So far I've only noticed that her NN, MC and Vesta are in Leo aspected by Sun.
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Re: Famous friend - indicators of fame in a chart

Leo degree is 17 degrees..(NN)
Yes, if she is foreign born then she could be famous here or other foreign country. Keep in mind that there are different levels of fame, though. Fame could also be well-known in a community or region, online etc.. She has a lot of potential to go the the top. She could have difficulty with partnerships and friendships at work (7th house). Her associates may only be after her money.
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Re: Famous friend - indicators of fame in a chart

hope helps take stock, share salient pointwise feedbacks how true-insightful :


sun-mer-sat artistic taurus 7th, creative-energetic-stubborn;
love of food-comforts, hotel management, cooking, dentistry, etc;
sun lord 10th for career;

sun 7th seeking well-to-do spouse, sat delayed relationship-marriage;
mer lord 11th over 7th, gains through spouse/business partners;
sun-sat conflict in marriage relationship/parental relationships;
sun 7th separative tendencies in relationships/partnerships;
observe fast sat evenings taking milk-fruits;

venus 8th, art explorations; venus lord 7th over 8th, sick spouse;
offer white flowers at the alter, mon evenings;
venus lord 12th over 8th, success amidst adversity;
prone to chronic kidney-lung-urological health issues;


scorpio asc, magnetic personality; research-occult aptitudes;
asc lord mars negating to libra 12th for foreign lands, health issues;
mars aspect own aries 6th,
protective of employment, not good for opponents/competitors;
jup aspect mars libra 12th, supportive of foreign lands;


cancer-moon 9th inimical-malefic for scorpio asc,
stress-delays in luck-edu-father-husband-travel matters;


9th lord inimical moon over aries 5th,
stress-delays in luck-edu-romance-children-position;
heart-stomach-head circulatory health issues;
wear pearl over silver pendant touching heart;

jup-moon aries impulsive; jup 6th conciliatory approach with opponents;
jup trine own sag 2nd protective of family-finances-speech-singing;
jup lord 2/5 for family-finances-voice over 6th, calling for extra efforts;

jup-moon victory amidst adversity;jup trine leo 10th for career-recognition;
wear yellow sapphire over pendant touching heart;
offer yellow flowers to saint of faith at the alter at home, tues mornings;

past one year jup transit scorpio asc opp sat,
misjudgments-missed opportunities, including marriage-relationship-health;


jup year end moves to own sag 2nd for family-finances-speech-voice,
trine natal jup-moon aries supportive of luck-employment etc
and trine leo 10th for career;


natal and transit rahu NNode leo 10th,
ambitious to soar high trine jup, foreign assignments;

natal-transit ketu SNode acq 4th, detachment from mother-motherland;
ketu acq reformist-innovative;
pain-injury-surgery heart-lungs-legs-sciatica etc;

sat taurus aspect own acq 4th, protective of property,
while may not be good for health of mother probably;


sat coming 2yrs transit own sat cap 3rd, good for initiative-progress;
hope jup year end moving to owns sag 2nd brightens prospects;



do promptly ack and share salient ground observations, how true etc,
traits-talents-health etc etc


wishing well, kshantaram
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Re: Famous friend - indicators of fame in a chart

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Some things that you might not have considered. Doryphory, Phasis, her most elevated planet, Angularity and fixed Star placements.

Doryphory

"In discussing natal testimonies to fame and honors, Ptolemy in his Tetrabiblos introduces an important relationship between the Luminaries and the other planets called “doryphory” or “spear-bearing”. Planets in doryphory act as heralds, assistants and guards to the Sun or the Moon."

"Planets in the doryphory of the Sun are any that are oriental (rising before the Sun) either in the Sun’s sign or the one preceding it by primary motion (ex. with the Sun at 15 Cancer, Venus at 2 Cancer and Mercury at 28 Gemini would be in the Sun’s doryphory). Conversely, planets in the Moon’s doryphory are those occidental to her (rising after her), either in her own sign or the one following (ex. with the Moon at 15 Gemini, Mercury at 28 Gemini and Venus at 2 Cancer would be in the Moon’s doryphory)."


Read more here - http://magnumopusastrology.com/amelia-earhart-

Phasis

"Phasis or Appearance, also Combust and Cazimi – This is when a planet appears for the last time in the sky before traveling too close to the Sun (“under the beams”) to observe or appears for the first time after emerging from the beams. Note that for Paulus Alexandrinus of the 4th century CE this condition only applies to planets emerging from the beams and not to those setting into them. This also marks out days of planetary prominence which vary in frequency depending on the planet."

You can read more here - http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/t...ry-prominence/

With regard to your friends chart -

She has her 10th house ruler and sect light angular in a Venusian sign (Taurus) which gears the career toward Venusian outlets - signing (Venus) and prominence/publicity (Sun) are implicated here. The 7th house is a house of partnership/others and it's interesting that she is a support for another artist.

The chart is a diurnal chart and that means that the diurnal planets (Sun, oriental Mercury, Saturn and Jupiter) will be more beneficial in a general way for her. The Sun's doryphory becomes more important to judge the fame of her chart. Lo and behold, all of diurnal planets are rising before the Sun in this chart which is a very strong indicator of fame - the example given in the link is that a strong doryphory can turn a general into an emperor.

But even with this, the doryphory of her Moon is just as powerful as those same planets rise after the Moon. This includes Venus as well which is located at 4 Cancer. Both lights have very strong doryphory which is a strong indication of fame and prominence in her chart.

Both Saturn and Mercury are making a phasis and are also angular - making them very powerful players in the chart. Again, both are located in a Venusian sign which gears them toward artistry, enjoyment, mirth, entertainment, delight etc. A powerful Mercury is also important for someone who uses their voice, and the aspect from Venus is very beneficial as planets prefer to be in aspect to their dispositor. Also, Mercury/Venus aspects are indicative of poetry, song-writing, and pleasant use of the voice.

Venus is the most elevated planet in her chart, and the planet that is most elevated is said to have a general pervasiveness in the life of the native. A famous artist is a good analogue for an elevated Venus. It should be noted that this Venus disposits the sign ruler.

Also, her ascendant ruler Mars is located on the fixed star Spica - a very powerful star that is said to be of the nature of Mercury and Venus - notice the repeating of themes in various ways in her chart.

More on Spica here - http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Spica.html

Bonus - her North Node is very close to her MC.

Based on these considerations, I can see that your friend has a lot going for her.
Oh wow, I certainly haven't considered those. Thanks for pointing that out, it's some very informative stuff.

I've run her chart in another program yesterday and noticed that she has her MC (13"), Vesta (15") and NN (17") all tightly conjunct in Leo. I don't know much about Vesta, but apparently it indicates your main focus and obssession in life and can lead to success.

Also noticed that her Sun (Taurus, VII) aspects the NN (Leo, X), which would strengthen the effect. So that is a lot going on there in the X.

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