Can you list them if you knew or is it not that simple?
Can you list them if you knew or is it not that simple?
In my experience with western natal astrology, whenever suicide is attempted, observe the ruler(s) of the natal 12th house (self undoing), 8th house (manner of death) and IC/4th house (i.e. the Imum coeli or "the lowest point") as THEY are almost always "active" at the time, either by transit or by SP or SA directions !
However, the SP's work MUCH better in my view; the Solar arcs can be horribly unreliable and let you down....
There are also outward signs of depression and suicidal tendencies, for which all astrologers should complete (in my opinion) some university level courses and training in basic psychology, to recognize those signs.
It is NOT a good idea, in my humble opinion, to narrow down suicide to one particular planet or sun sign. In doing so, you are travelling a very slippery slope, indeed ?
Did you know that ALL the planets can "kill"; even the good guys ...like the benefics ?
The SUN can "kill" through over ambition...ie Icarus flying too close to the Sun, the melting of wax and drowning in the sea, below ? or , through a heart attack or stroke !
The MOON can "kill" through over-eating and/or self-indulgence...or before the public. danger near water or drowning.
MERCURY can "kill" through car accidents, while travelling or through over work.
VENUS can "kill" through kindness ! Grammy award singer Roberta Flack once said:
Killing me softly with his song, telling my whole life with his words, killing me softly with his song ?" LOL
So yeah, before you kick off and kill yourself, just whistle Roberta Flack on the way to the funeral home ! It also "helps" if you have the natal Moon in Pisces or anything in Pisces ! LOL (just kidding !)
MARS often "kills" through violence, haste, and bloodshed. He who lives by the SWORD, DIES by the sword !
I agree with the above post that suicide is a form of self-harm or aggression turned inward. Mars, in my view, likely figures prominently in suicides. Look at Robin Williams' recent (suicide) death, prominent Mars aspects and transits all over the place, but also, b/c Williams was "ruled" by Mars (n. scorpio rising) while Saturn (death) transited his 1st house.
JUPITER, the so-called GREATER BENEFIC, hastens, speeds up and encourages death, and welcomes suicide....
In many death event charts, Jupiter always figures prominently, isn't it true ?
SATURN IS the traditional ruler of DEATH, but don't forget that Saturn also delays the inevitable ! If Saturn in found in VIII house, natally, the death is never a suicide, but usually due to old age or some disease related to Saturn ?
URANUS "kills" accidentally, through an unforeseen event or action. That said, we must remember that the ultimate purpose of Uranus is not to shock or to startle, but to
free the slaves.
The true son or daughter of Uranus thinks that everyone is equal...and therefore, there must be an equal playing field ?
Therefore, the only way to accomplish that equality... is to free all the prisoners from bondage !
Therefore, Uranus in the 8th house is about the freeing of the soul from all
material wants, restrictions and burdens, including financial. This could also explain why Uranus is said to be "exalted" in SCORPIO, the natural ruler of the 8th house !
Neptune "kills" in a typically mysterious, fated way; through self-deceit, poisons, such as drugs and alcohol, wasting diseases and sometimes, suicide and/or overdose.
Pluto "kills" silently, secretly, and serrupticiously. Pluto rules the eliminative and sex organs and also tends to magnify the intensity of normal strength transits and "normal" planetary activity. People who contract terminal illnesses to the extremities usually have Pluto either transiting the natal or some SP/SA in play ?
Finally, whenever any of the trans-Saturnian planets are involved, (by transit, SP or SA) the implications are not always one's OWN physical death, but intense psychological events and implications that change the person's landscape, forever.
Therefore, transformation and/or far-reaching changes to the personal life are often a marked development whenever Pluto, Neptune, and/or Uranus is involved.
This could range from a death of a loved one to some cataclysmic personal event like bankruptcy, relocation to other side of earth, to dealings with criminals and the like.
later,
HM