The traditionalists argued in the Pluto threads that Pluto shouldn't be an astrological Planet because:
1) Pluto is just a dwarf planet, much smaller than the traditional planets.
2) We can't see Pluto with the naked eye like the traditional planets.
3) Pluto has just recently been discovered, in 1930, about 85 years ago and with an orbital period of about 248 years, we couldn't observe its effect in all the signs yet. So it can't be said anything definite about Pluto's actual influence yet.
4) With such a long orbital period, no human being will ever experience a full Pluto return, therefore it's irrelevant.
5) The traditional system with the 5 planets is already perfect and tried and tested. There's no need for any modifications.
6) What Pluto adds to the chart can be fully explained with the traditional planets alone. So there's no need for additional planets.
Interestingly though, points 1-4 don't actually work with Uranus and points 5-6 aren't valid either, because:
1) Uranus is really big, in terms of radius, it's the 3rd largest planet in the solar system, in terms of mass #4, in terms of volume, Uranus is 63 times bigger than Earth!
2) Uranus is visible to the naked eye, its apparent magnitude is between +5.9 and +5.3 - (naked eye limit up to +8)!
3) Uranus has been discovered in 1781, about 234 years ago. Since then Uranus has moved through every sign at least twice!
4) Uranus orbital period is 84 years. Overall life expectancy in Japan is 85 years, Hong Kong 84 years, Sweden 83 years. There are millions of people who experience their Uranus return!
5) & 6) 5) The traditional system has several elephants in the room! The 5 energies of the 5 traditional planets only match one sign perfectly, the second sign that has been assigned to them, they don't match very well, specifically: Mars matches Aries perfectly, but not Scorpio; Venus matches Taurus perfectly, but not Libra; Mercury matches Gemini perfectly, but not Virgo; Jupiter matches Sagittarius perfectly, but not Pisces; Saturn matches Capricorn perfectly, but not Aquarius. On the other hand, the energies of Pluto match Scorpio perfectly, the energies of Uranus match Aquarius perfectly and the energies of Neptune match Pisces perfectly.
So, what to do with Uranus?
1) Pluto is just a dwarf planet, much smaller than the traditional planets.
2) We can't see Pluto with the naked eye like the traditional planets.
3) Pluto has just recently been discovered, in 1930, about 85 years ago and with an orbital period of about 248 years, we couldn't observe its effect in all the signs yet. So it can't be said anything definite about Pluto's actual influence yet.
4) With such a long orbital period, no human being will ever experience a full Pluto return, therefore it's irrelevant.
5) The traditional system with the 5 planets is already perfect and tried and tested. There's no need for any modifications.
6) What Pluto adds to the chart can be fully explained with the traditional planets alone. So there's no need for additional planets.
Interestingly though, points 1-4 don't actually work with Uranus and points 5-6 aren't valid either, because:
1) Uranus is really big, in terms of radius, it's the 3rd largest planet in the solar system, in terms of mass #4, in terms of volume, Uranus is 63 times bigger than Earth!
2) Uranus is visible to the naked eye, its apparent magnitude is between +5.9 and +5.3 - (naked eye limit up to +8)!
3) Uranus has been discovered in 1781, about 234 years ago. Since then Uranus has moved through every sign at least twice!
4) Uranus orbital period is 84 years. Overall life expectancy in Japan is 85 years, Hong Kong 84 years, Sweden 83 years. There are millions of people who experience their Uranus return!
5) & 6) 5) The traditional system has several elephants in the room! The 5 energies of the 5 traditional planets only match one sign perfectly, the second sign that has been assigned to them, they don't match very well, specifically: Mars matches Aries perfectly, but not Scorpio; Venus matches Taurus perfectly, but not Libra; Mercury matches Gemini perfectly, but not Virgo; Jupiter matches Sagittarius perfectly, but not Pisces; Saturn matches Capricorn perfectly, but not Aquarius. On the other hand, the energies of Pluto match Scorpio perfectly, the energies of Uranus match Aquarius perfectly and the energies of Neptune match Pisces perfectly.
So, what to do with Uranus?