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Unread 06-30-2012, 12:20 AM
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Unexpected events, what's wrong with my solar return?please help!

I'm in a very bad situation, I experienced hard times, events, feelings etc. it has been the same for 5-6 months,sometimes I want to believe that it's just a bad dream.everything is chaotic and obscure in my life,I'm hopeless, it seems nothing will be ok, what can you see in my solar chart?
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Re: Unexpected events, what's wrong with my solar return?please help!

Correction: the posted chart IS the current 2011/2012 SR chart

It just feels that way now, but this will change: why does it feel that way (seem that way) now? Simple (at least for me with my eclectic and often unorthodox approaches):
-in the SR, difficult Lilith and disruptive South Node are in Gemini in your SR 8th house (a difficult house in general)
-Jupiter is also there in the 8th house in the SR, and in its detriment in the sign of Gemini
-the Sun (the brightness of life) is in the SR 12th house (restrictions, doubts, etc) and in its Fall in Libra; Mercury (the senses, nervous system, communications, etc) is also there in the SR 12th house and in the Fiery Road (Via Combusta), two difficult positions for Mercury and what it symbolizes in life.

So, yeah, tough, hard indications which (for me) explain completely how you feel now;
...but wait!
-the disruptive South Node will pass out of your 8th SR house in early September, which will take much of the negativity away
-Mercury wil pass out of the SR 12th house in the next SR chart (October 2012)

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Re: Unexpected events, what's wrong with my solar return?please help!

Is it possible that Evangeliana isn't experiencing the effects of her 2012/2013 solar return chart early, but experiencing the effects of her 2011/2012 solar return chart that is still underway (and theoretically could remain until October 4, the date of her new solar return)? What are the configurations of her 2011/2012 solar return chart?
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Re: Unexpected events, what's wrong with my solar return?please help!

Hi Evangeliana,

The Solar return you are looking at does not relate to your current situation as you should be looking at the 2011/2012 as your birthday is only on the 4 October.

Is it possible to post the correct one?
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Re: Unexpected events, what's wrong with my solar return?please help!

Hey there Evangeliana,

Do you find that since 21 years old, the more you think and use logic to make sense of any situation, you tend to make the wrong decisions and you cannot seem to make sense of it.

You keep thinking it's right... but yet you still think it's wrong. Kind of contradicting isn't it?

The more changes you make, the worst it gets?

So by any chance your problems are related to love and siblings?

Especially quarrels with your partner? Both of you are not close physically?
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Hey there Evangeliana,

Do you find that since 21 years old, the more you think and use logic to make sense of any situation, you tend to make the wrong decisions and you cannot seem to make sense of it.

You keep thinking it's right... but yet you still think it's wrong. Kind of contradicting isn't it?

The more changes you make, the worst it gets?

So by any chance your problems are related to love and siblings?

Especially quarrels with your partner? Both of you are not close physically?
I don't have siblings, I do have problems with my love relationships cause it doesn't start for some reasons, when I love someone,I know I'll face some difficulties, it's weird but I'm used to it, but it's not the subject in this period, I'm facing much more difficult situation for 5-6 months.
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Hi Evangeliana,

The Solar return you are looking at does not relate to your current situation as you should be looking at the 2011/2012 as your birthday is only on the 4 October.

Is it possible to post the correct one?
Thank you very much for correction belle lune, I posted 2011/2012 solar return of mine.
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Mind sharing what's troubling you then?
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will these problems solved? I have been suffering since february 2012, I had small problems, they are vital now, when it comes to love issues which are not subject now, in february I started to a relationship,I loved him, as it turned out, I found that I was cheated, tricked,deluded. I was livin' a lie, and apart from that I have another (main) problem that hurt me deeply,a family problem, I feel alone despite having a lot of friends who share my pain.
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Mind sharing what's troubling you then?
sorry, I don't want to share cause every moment I talked about it I feel bad, what can u see in my solar chart?
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I see that Feburary you are prone to conflicts with your mom.

March, you started to feel stress about it and they are getting too aggressive and domineering.

April your bonding with them is full of arguments but it's probably not too bad compared to before. You sort of have a "break".

May, you are getting emotional and things are rough at home?

June, your parents are getting back to being very aggressive and you are starting to feel tired about it and starting to get impatient about this problem?
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Thank you very much for correction belle lune, I posted 2011/2012 solar return of mine.
In a Solar Return, the most important house to look at is where our Moon is placed. This is because the Moon represents our emotions, and it shows where we will be emotionally invested for the year. Yours is in your 5th house, suggesting issues with 5th house activities. One would naturally think of love relationships, but it could also be perhaps having to face loads of responsibilities and having no fun, or children…I can’t say.

What one does notice is your Moon is square to the Sun, Venus, Saturn, Mercury and Juno in the 2nd House! Wherever we find Saturn, we know we are going to find loss, or restriction. So you would find this in your Second house. The house of Self worth. So what ever you valued, as being your “Self Worth”, you would have experienced problems with. Looking at the planets, we see Sun, problems with men, Venus (of course this again is how you value yourself, or love) and Juno. Somehow, you feel betrayed by whatever has been going on. Whatever gave you your self esteem before, has now been challenged.

Remember Saturn is like our strict stern teacher. He takes away what we no longer need, for our own growth. Squares challenge us, as we need to find new ways of doing whatever it was we were doing.

Another important thing to look at in a Solar Return, is where your Nodes are. Where your focus for the year should be. Your North Node is in the 4th house, so I suspect this year should be one where you would be focusing on your family, your roots etc.

Unexpected – one can see by the square between Pluto in the 4th and Uranus in the 8th rather a hard aspect between malefic planets in difficult houses.

I am sure there have been other issues, but I can see how this year would be one to shake you up, as no one likes to have their world turned upside down and to have to re-evaluate who they truly are. J
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Re: Unexpected events, what's wrong with my solar return?please help!

Would you mind posting your natal chart, ideally with progressions and transits? Your solar return can only go so far.

Also, you don't have to share the nature of your difficulties, but different areas of life show up differently in the horoscope, so it would be more efficient if we didn't have to guess.

Right now you are facing natal sun square transiting Pluto, which is a difficult transit-- at least, mine was. You may feel as though everything you thought yourself to be is just vanishing before your eyes. But if you can check the epehemeris at Astrodienst (where you got your chart), you will learn how to trace transits through your life. The ephemeris is located on the home page, in the menu on the left side.

Generally you will feel a major transit about 3 degrees before it becomes exact, and then for a couple of degrees afterwards.
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Would you mind posting your natal chart, ideally with progressions and transits? Your solar return can only go so far.

Also, you don't have to share the nature of your difficulties, but different areas of life show up differently in the horoscope, so it would be more efficient if we didn't have to guess.

Right now you are facing natal sun square transiting Pluto, which is a difficult transit-- at least, mine was. You may feel as though everything you thought yourself to be is just vanishing before your eyes. But if you can check the epehemeris at Astrodienst (where you got your chart), you will learn how to trace transits through your life. The ephemeris is located on the home page, in the menu on the left side.

Generally you will feel a major transit about 3 degrees before it becomes exact, and then for a couple of degrees afterwards.
thank u! I will post my natal chart with progressions and transits, should I start it from last year?
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will these problems solved? I have been suffering since february 2012, I had small problems, they are vital now, when it comes to love issues which are not subject now, in february I started to a relationship,I loved him, as it turned out, I found that I was cheated, tricked,deluded. I was livin' a lie, and apart from that I have another (main) problem that hurt me deeply,a family problem, I feel alone despite having a lot of friends who share my pain.

I just read this now after I posted my reply. Ok well ow you know what has been going on. You were betrayed by the Man you loved Juno, Sun Venus, Second House - Your self worth.
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I see that Feburary you are prone to conflicts with your mom.

March, you started to feel stress about it and they are getting too aggressive and domineering.

April your bonding with them is full of arguments but it's probably not too bad compared to before. You sort of have a "break".

May, you are getting emotional and things are rough at home?

June, your parents are getting back to being very aggressive and you are starting to feel tired about it and starting to get impatient about this problem?
totally true. I got impatient about this vital problem.
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I just read this now after I posted my reply. Ok well ow you know what has been going on. You were betrayed by the Man you loved Juno, Sun Venus, Second House - Your self worth.
as you told me I prepared my natal chart with progressions and transits, but I started it from last year's forth of october(my bithday) should I start it from 2012 or did I do it right?
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totally true. I got impatient about this vital problem.
I got it all right? Seriously?

Wow now you got me curious about whats really going on in reality.

Anyway next month they will be getting rough and impatient about this issue. It will be from 19th July onwards but you will be able to withstand it.

The way i see it, your parents are the conservative and righteous type, to get them on you like this something must have happened. I'm guessing its related to a guy, love issues.

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I got it all right? Seriously?

Wow now you got me curious about whats really going on in reality.

Anyway next month they will be getting rough and impatient about this issue. It will be from 19th July onwards but you will be able to withstand it.

The way i see it, your parents are the conservative and righteous type, to get them on you like this something must have happened. I'm guessing its related to a guy, love issues.
here is my natal chart with transits and progressions dated 4.10.2011
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I got it all right? Seriously?

Wow now you got me curious about whats really going on in reality.

Anyway next month they will be getting rough and impatient about this issue. It will be from 19th July onwards but you will be able to withstand it.

The way i see it, your parents are the conservative and righteous type, to get them on you like this something must have happened. I'm guessing its related to a guy, love issues.
no they are not like that, and I have just my mother as my family.
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Re: Unexpected events, what's wrong with my solar return?please help!

Thanks for posting your natal chart. This is your basic road-map in life, so it is a good idea to look at it first by way of "meeting" you before looking at the solar return, which is basically a photo of the heavens on your birthday.

You were born with two aspects that can make it very hard for anyone to maintain a strong sense of self-esteem. One is your sun square Neptune. The sun is your basic identity or sense of self. Neptune is a planet of beautiful illusions and bitter disillusionment. Neptune is named after the Roman sea god, and with this aspect Neptune tends to dissolve your core sense of self. The other aspect is Mars retrograde opposite your sun. Mars is your essential sense of assertiveness and ability to be aggressive and even angry when you need to. When Mars is retrograde (apparearing to move backward in the sky) your natural aggression gets turned inward. Are you your own worst critic? With retrograde Mars opposite your sun, you are probably very hard on yourself.

Together these three planets make a formation called a "T-square." Many people have them, but they don't simplify life! You could imagine (and probably know) people with tons of self-confidence. Even if they get insulted, cheated, or deceived, they still retain a strong sense of self. But you weren't born this way, so you have to struggle to maintain a sense of dignity and self-worth.

Objectively, if you could step outside your current life and look at it as though you were another person, your life might not seem so bad. So it is important to realize that just because you feel like a failure at times, your harsh feelings do not thereby make you a failure. Quite the contrary!

Do you know the saying, "Wisdom comes through experience, and experience comes through making mistakes"? We've all made our share of mistakes, but you will learn from them.

Transiting Uranus is just now conjuncting your Mars and opposing your sun, so it isn't surprising that you feel hit by sudden upsets. Then to create "the perfect storm" your progressed Mercury (your thoughts and communication) is conjuncting your sun. So you are going to be thinking about your problems much more at this particular time.

So I man you loved cheated you! That's bad. But you were fine before you met him, and you will be OK afterwards. Just now you may need some time to grieve at what happened to your relationship, but he isn't worth your ruining your life over him.

I note that you are still young, with your whole life ahead of you. You have indicators in your chart that you should enjoy travel: sun in the 9th house, Jupiter in the 5th house of leisure activities, and your moon in Leo (which no matter how badly you feel now, has a strongly playful quality.) Are you able to travel now, whether on holiday, overseas study, or perhaps a new job?

Your north node of personal growth is in the second house. This is the so-called "money" house, and maybe you would grow as a human being through learning how to manage your money and make it grow. A more esoteric meaning is that the second house is the house of our values-- what we value. This might be a good topic to explore just now. What do you truly value?

You have some indicators in your chart (quintiles) that you are a fairly ambitious person. Maybe now is a good time to map out what you would like to accomplish in your life, and then write down the realistic steps you could take to get there.

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Is it possible that Evangeliana isn't experiencing the effects of her 2012/2013 solar return chart early, but experiencing the effects of her 2011/2012 solar return chart that is still underway (and theoretically could remain until October 4, the date of her new solar return)? What are the configurations of her 2011/2012 solar return chart?
I made a correction to my post: the SR reference chart which I delineated IS the current 2011/2012 SR.
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Hello evangeliana,

I see that your love life will be much happier in the future than now. Your Venus (love) has beautiful four aspects (Venus trine Saturn - most important) and only one square. Venus (in 8th) is the ruler of your Sun in trine with Saturn (ruler of your ASC), what gives you protection from black thoughts.

Almost everybody has one or more disappointed relationships before meeting the right one.
You will marry for sure (ruler of 7th, Moon in 7th). Maybe this man won't be from the same place or country where you are now: ruler of 5th, Mercury in 9th.

Stop to think about anything bad, because there will be soon better (Sec. Progressed Venus will change the sign from Virgo to Libra) and SP Mars moves soon from Aries to Taurus (in fact you will always be somebody with Mars in Aries - domicile, what means strong, fiery and very impulsive).

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Hello evangeliana,

I see that your love life will be much happier in the future than now. Your Venus (love) has beautiful four aspects (Venus trine Saturn - most important) and only one square. Venus (in 8th) is the ruler of your Sun in trine with Saturn (ruler of your ASC), what gives you protection from black thoughts.

Almost everybody has one or more disappointed relationships before meeting the right one.
You will marry for sure (ruler of 7th, Moon in 7th). Maybe this man won't be from the same place or country where you are now: ruler of 5th, Mercury in 9th.

Stop to think about anything bad, because there will be soon better (Sec. Progressed Venus will change the sign from Virgo to Libra) and SP Mars moves soon from Aries to Taurus (in fact you will always be somebody with Mars in Aries - domicile, what means strong, fiery and very impulsive).

Good luck!

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Thanks! you said my love life will much happier in the future than now, did you tell this based on my solar chart or natal ?
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Looking at Yelena's excellent dileneation it seems that the natal chart was the chart which Yelena analyzed.
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