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lone wolf syndrome

I was wondering which are the indications in someone's chart showing the "lone wolf syndrome".

By that I mean people who, even when in the company of others, they still remain somehow detached. They are not intentionally "cold" or "distant", they are too much self-contained. They simply seem to enjoy their solitude. And even in those rare moments when they become the center of attention of a group, they do it for other reasons: for their talents, for their charismas, for their intelligence - but never for their capability to connect good with a group. The more numerous the group they are related, the more disoriented they look. People who enjoy eating alone, spending saturday evenings reading a book, who have no problem going to the cinema alone, people who relish the moments they spend by themselves - even when those are plenty.

The question is: what is this in a chart that makes a person in solitude not feeling lonely?

I do not wish to personify the question, it is a general theme that concerns a discrete number of people. I always think with the rule of three, so I would like to find at least 3 indications in the same chart:

* elevated Saturn in the chart (by sign or by house disposition)
* Saturn as ruler of 5th or 7th
* Saturn elevated + aspecting Moon by trine/sextile
* Jupiter in Capricorn and/or in the 12th
* Mercury in Sagittarius and Venus in Capricorn or Aquarius
* Grand Trine in water signs

What does your experience say?

In case the theme has been extensively covered by another thread, please re-direct me, as I have not managed to find any.

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Re: lone wolf syndrome

I have Saturn rising, and a Capricorn moon..being by myself really grounds me. I guess the image that comes to mind is, being lost at sea and holding onto a really strong piece of wood or raft.

The waters represent the crazy world, and that strong solid piece of wood represents the Earth element of Capricorn, ruled by Saturn. I think Saturn-ruled people learn to trust themselves.

I also have Jupiter and Venus in 12th, and have heard those are great placements. Sure enough i do my best work at home away from the world.

I think the final quadrant of the Zodiac deals with gradually learning to detach yourself from the world and somehow give back before you leave the "animal circle" known as the Zodiac. Thus Saturn, Uranus and Neptune(i.e. Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces), or the 10th-12th houses should be prominent in charts of loners. Capricorn is concerned with political power and managing the 1st 3/4 of the Zodiac, Uranus is more concerned with detaching itself from humanity, to get a good perspective on how to advance it. Pisces has been around the Zodiac, so there's not much left for them to see, so they're more concerned with what's coming next. And that involves more of a trip into their inner world, where there are more riches than the outer world. That's how I feel, like I have more to learn inside myself than in the outside world.

So Im a bit of a loner, yes I have no problems seeing a movie or eating alone, although when I was younger I was more self-conscious about it.

Mars and the 1st house may have a bit to do with it. I also have Mars rising(conj Saturn) and a south node at 3Aries. Aries can be independent, but starting the cycle again after being in the reclusive 12th house, they can survive on their own, but still want to get out there and mix things up, but without getting too emotionally involved.

I would say the primary factors behind a loner would involve a chart like mine, with Saturn in 1st, Moon in Capricorn, and an active 10th, 11th and 12th houses, where I have my mercury, chiron,Sun, Jupiter and Venus.
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Re: lone wolf syndrome

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* elevated Saturn in the chart (by sign or by house disposition)
* Saturn as ruler of 5th or 7th
* Saturn elevated + aspecting Moon by trine/sextile
* Jupiter in Capricorn and/or in the 12th
* Mercury in Sagittarius and Venus in Capricorn or Aquarius
* Grand Trine in water signs

What does your experience say?
Well in my mind Scorpio is THE most private sign, having pluto in 1st house or 11th house of groups/friendships. Saturn in 11th (which I have) cos wherever Saturn is placed is 'Where a person lacks confidence' I have never been comfortable in groups, unless I'm group leader or in control. The friends I have are usually older and wise and paternal.

So Saturn in first or conj Asc may lack confidence to socialise depending on the aspects of course. Pluto in 11th can also be a loner, again depending on aspects.

Mercury is Sagg is very talkative, broadminded and sociable -- can't quite understand why you put this on the list.
Now venus in capricorn always wants value for money and that includes people, unless people are useful they won't bother.
Venus in Aquarius wants friendship the more the better so again not quite sure why you put this on the list either.
Why water grand trines? just cos it can make someone lazy? I don't think this would qualify cos friends would always be calling, inviting them out or they should find it easy to empathise (water).

Now having a planets (espec stellium) in 12th could also make someone a loner with a rich inner life rather than needing to connect with others.

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I think the final quadrant of the Zodiac deals with gradually learning to detach yourself from the world and somehow give back before you leave the "animal circle" known as the Zodiac. Thus Saturn, Uranus and Neptune(i.e. Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces), or the 10th-12th houses should be prominent in charts of loners. Capricorn is concerned with political power and managing the 1st 3/4 of the Zodiac, Uranus is more concerned with detaching itself from humanity, to get a good perspective on how to advance it. Pisces has been around the Zodiac, so there's not much left for them to see, so they're more concerned with what's coming next. And that involves more of a trip into their inner world, where there are more riches than the outer world. That's how I feel, like I have more to learn inside myself than in the outside world.
Capricorns are workaholics and barely have the time from work to bother socialising. Aquarius is extremely sociable, talkative and tends to know alot of people but can also be a private sign as well. Talking of Uranus energy is different to talking about Aquarians. Uranus does not detach itself from humanity, it comes up with ingenius ideas, the inventor, altrustic, and humanitarian, BUT wants excitement nothing to mundane and I don't see that planets responsible for someone be a 'loner'

I don't think pisces is a loner either just cos it's connected to 12th house, it's sensitive, intuitive, psychic, restless, procrastinating, sympathetic and offers tea and sympathy (usually) to all and sundry. Everybody takes their problems to a pisces --- so no they are never given a chance to be alone

Maybe those with a lot of air in their charts don't always need company, cos they want thier minds stimulating and books, computers and others things can do that rather than people.

There can be lots and lots of combinations as to why some people prefer time alone and am sure other members with contribute
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Re: lone wolf syndrome

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I have Saturn rising, and a Capricorn moon..being by myself really grounds me.
Do you ever feel ovewhelmed by this ability to feel so secured and self-sufficient?

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And that involves more of a trip into their inner world, where there are more riches than the outer world. That's how I feel, like I have more to learn inside myself than in the outside world.
I have the same feeling for people with strong Pisces or 12th house... Like what falls in this house is happily sufficient in an inner dialogue, whether it concerns feelings, thoughts, communications, love, and does not necessarily need to be expressed in a concrete way... especially if the 12th house planets are additionally well aspected by neptune natural ruler...

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Aries can be independent, but starting the cycle again after being in the reclusive 12th house, they can survive on their own, but still want to get out there and mix things up, but without getting too emotionally involved.
I can fully understand this point too: they battle ferociously but I have met a number of arian battlers who seem reluctant to open up sentimentally and give the impression of being carried away by their own mementum.

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Well in my mind Scorpio is THE most private sign, having pluto in 1st house or 11th house of groups/friendships. Saturn in 11th (which I have) cos wherever Saturn is placed is 'Where a person lacks confidence' I have never been comfortable in groups, unless I'm group leader or in control. The friends I have are usually older and wise and paternal.
yes, i see this point too, someone may learn to feel confident on his own only because he lacks self-confidence to be well connected into a group... or else, because he is too over-confident to make part of a group as equal! good point!

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Mercury is Sagg is very talkative, broadminded and sociable -- can't quite understand why you put this on the list.
Now venus in capricorn always wants value for money and that includes people, unless people are useful they won't bother.
Venus in Aquarius wants friendship the more the better so again not quite sure why you put this on the list either.
Why water grand trines? just cos it can make someone lazy? I don't think this would qualify cos friends would always be calling, inviting them out or they should find it easy to empathise (water).
Mercury in Sag is talkative and sociable, but it is also the sign of his debility, so often finishes in misunderstandings... especially when accompanied by Sun Capricorn, may give the impression even of authoritarian... He is the best however in sports, very competitive also, there he can release all the pressure of mis-communications...
Venus in Capricorn or Aquarius may give wrong impression of being too severe or too impersonal in the expression of feelings... I do not mean that the people are so, I mean the feeling perceived...
As for grand trines in water? I do not consider lazy: I have the impression they need more time for meditation and introspection... and for attuning with their very fine chords, especially if Moon in Pisces for example is involved... and I can fully accept this need of theirs.

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Re: lone wolf syndrome

Astrologer50, you're right about Aquarius, it definitely has a lot of friends, but I think there's a degree of emotional detachment to be able to be that social butterfly. There's 2 ways it can play out, someone who's friends with everybody in a universal, idealistic way, but like a Venus in Aquarius I know, still goes home alone.

Or they can have their own little group that they fit in with, and everywhere else they go, they dont mind standing out as being alone, unless they can connect with someone as quirky as them. It reminds me of high school, where you have that nerd who seems lonely, but secretly he has his own little group of nerds that he gets along with.(i think the net is full of those types)/

But Uranus is still detached physically from the inner planets. Whether they meet anyone just like them out there will show if they're true loners or not. Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, the true chatty friendship planet, but I think Uranus' friends are more in the world of ideas, concepts etc. So an Aquarian or Uranian who has many friends may be more into the concept of friendship in the ideal way, rather than being emotionally attached to being accepted in a group. As an idea person, I think it takes a degree of physically removing yourself from society to get those genius ideas. Uranus to me is like that mad scientist who stays in the lab working on some great project to advance humanity, and it requires long hours away from the world. I am open to the fact that he may have a group of friends to help him, but it's more about the goal and objective(11th house) of advancing humanity, rather than really needing friends. Im an 11th house Sun, and I have plenty of "friends" but I have so many, I dont have time for all of them, and I prefer to be alone. But a cool detached repoire is good enough for me.

You're very right about Pisces, something about them makes you want to unload your problems on them, they just sit there and listen quietly, and are good at giving you the feeling that they can sympathize with you. But they are often so far in their own world, you get the feeling that they're lonely, even in the crowd.

Vinyasa, as for your question, no I dont feel overwhelmed by my self-sufficiency..I get twinges of loneliness sometimes, but they rarely last long. Remember,Saturn is the planet of responsibility, so there's always the weight of reality weighing down on us, so we rarely stay too long having pity parties for ourselves..there's always a huge mountain of work to climb! And those who can't keep up get left behind..not personal, strictly business..

And as for Aries, they are the anti-Pisces, while Pisces truly cares about your feelings, Aries could care less. They seem to be completely repulsed by icky, deep emotions, so seem to be quite content moving alone at their own speed, and avoiding getting caught up watery sentimental stuff. I think Mars, being the rogue planet is definitely a good candidate for representing the tough, lone wolf character, dont ya think?
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Re: lone wolf syndrome

I think another thing that can indicate a lone wolf is a person with many oppositions in their chart between personal planets.

It would likely show individuals who have "both sides" internalized, and so they can spend time with themselves like they could another... or it makes spending time with others cumbersome because instead of taking a side in a situation, they see both sides, and so balancing relationships becomes a burden and being with themselves an easier option.

The most characteristic "lone wolf" I know is a young woman who is absolutely brilliant and an incredible artist, but extremely uncomfortable around others and prefers her own company or the company of very trusted friends ("trusted friends" are hard earned positions). She goes to the movies alone, eats alone, prefers the night because everyone else is asleep, vows to be single forever, and gets upset when people try to pull her into social situations. Yet when she is in them, she appears friendly and talkative even though she'd rather be by herself or even completely dislikes the people she is with. In her natal she has several oppositions between her personal planets and outer planets:

Cancer Mercury conj Mars both opposed Capricorn Neptune
Cancer Sun opposed Capricorn Neptune
Gemini Venus opposed Sagittarius Saturn conj Uranus
Cancer Sun opposed Sagittarius Uranus

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Re: lone wolf syndrome

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Mercury in Sag is talkative and sociable, but it is also the sign of his debility, so often finishes in misunderstandings... especially when accompanied by Sun Capricorn, may give the impression even of authoritarian... He is the best however in sports, very competitive also, there he can release all the pressure of mis-communications...
Venus in Capricorn or Aquarius may give wrong impression of being too severe or too impersonal in the expression of feelings... I do not mean that the people are so, I mean the feeling perceived...
As for grand trines in water? I do not consider lazy: I have the impression they need more time for meditation and introspection... and for attuning with their very fine chords, especially if Moon in Pisces for example is involved... and I can fully accept this need of theirs.
You seem to be talking specific whereas I was talking generalities. If you want to fine tune this debate/thread--- post the charts---
Mercury in Saggi --if there are misunderstandings, it sounds like an aspect linked to neptune...
Venus in Cappi/Aquar may well be bit cool in their expression, we this thread is about 'loners' Cappi are rather 'selective' and Aquar needs communication and mental stimulation....
Grand trines in water are emotionally easy empathy kinda things and again you put moon in pisces (a specific) in thier. We both know pisces is connected to 12th house of 'isolation'

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Astrologer50, you're right about Aquarius, it definitely has a lot of friends, but I think there's a degree of emotional detachment to be able to be that social butterfly. There's 2 ways it can play out, someone who's friends with everybody in a universal, idealistic way, but like a Venus in Aquarius I know, still goes home alone.
Why do you perceive this as a lone wolf? they are very communicative signs, need mental stimulation and friendship, doesn't mean they are incapable in any way or that going home alone makes them deficient...

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that nerd who seems lonely, but secretly he has his own little group of nerds that he gets along with
This suggests saturn conj Asc rather than venus in aquarius, just someone who lacks confidence...

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But Uranus is still detached physically from the inner planets. As are all the outer planets Whether they meet anyone just like them out there will show if they're true loners or not. Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, the true chatty friendship planet, Great--agreedbut I think Uranus' friends are more in the world of ideas, concepts etc. So an Aquarian or Uranian who has many friends may be more into the concept of friendship in the ideal way, rather than being emotionally attached to being accepted in a group. As an idea person, I think it takes a degree of physically removing yourself from society to get those genius ideas. Uranus to me is like that mad scientist who stays in the lab working on some great project to advance humanity, and it requires long hours away from the world. I am open to the fact that he may have a group of friends to help him, but it's more about the goal and objective(11th house) of advancing humanity, rather than really needing friends. Im an 11th house Sun, and I have plenty of "friends" but I have so many, I dont have time for all of them, and I prefer to be alone. But a cool detached repoire is good enough for me.
All this is very subjective through the lens of your own chart --whereas this thread is about aspect,planets or traits of loners. You seem to be saying a 11th house sun is enough to qualify-- I disagree. How is your sun aspected? why not post your chart? My partner has a stellium planets in 11th and he cannot function without others, groups, friends and relys on 'other people' to sustain him--- not him alone-- like a loner.
http://www.astrology.com/aboutastrol...s/house11.html

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But they are often so far in their own world, you get the feeling that they're lonely, even in the crowd.
I can imagine any pisces getting bit hot under the collar about this. Again your very subjective idea/interpretations about pisces. You could get the same impression with someone with neptune in first, who keeps drifting off when you're talking to them-- as if they are not quite thier and prefer the 'inner life' rather than outer.
Your comments about Aries may be nearer the truth, they can be self centred, me first kinda attitude --- doesn't make them a loner just cos they can be bit selfish. Their are usually other things in a chart that (hopefully) would offset this trait...

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It would likely show individuals who have "both sides" internalized, and so they can spend time with themselves like they could another... or it makes spending time with others cumbersome because instead of taking a side in a situation, they see both sides, and so balancing relationships becomes a burden and being with themselves an easier option.
Like your definition, but this sounds like a libran house placement conundrum. All those opp of your friend are the 1/7th houses??

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Cancer Mercury conj Mars both opposed Capricorn Neptune
Cancer Sun opposed Capricorn Neptune
Gemini Venus opposed Sagittarius Saturn conj Uranus
Cancer Sun opposed Sagittarius Uranus
Neptune being heavily challenged like this may well cause communications (mercury)to be hard work and draining (mars)
Venus is gemini is the most flirtatious sign you can get but opp to saturn suggests that she prob feels unloved from her childhood and conj Uranus needs lots of freedom and independence within relationships. Some venus/uranus stay platonic friends rather than fully committed.
Sun opp uranus = impatience and need to do something unsual that involves the pride (sun)

If neptune, saturn or uranus are all in 7th this will double the effects. Making sacrifices (neptune) for relationship or even falling for the wrong person. Saturn will delay until well past first saturn return and then their will be strong sense of duty and responsibility to one to one's. Uranus being the divorce planet, either they or their partners may act in disruptive ways that need lots of freedom and independence within relationships.....

So instead of just giving half the story ie: aspects --- it's important to give the house placements to or better still post the chart as we are all visual here....
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Re: lone wolf syndrome

A lone wolf may be a lone wolf for many reasons - difficulties with socialising is one already mentioned.

It can also be forgotten that in many neighbourhoods or wherever there is a pecking order socially, is that there can be a great deal of social control levied through 'knowing other people's business' - whose their lovers are, what their business is. It is a form of control that can sometimes be misused, the most ugly manifestations being, for example, telling tales on those who are suspected of working illegally, cheating on others, and so on - worst-case scenarios, being the witch hunts of old.

A lot of people who garavitate for the city may therefore often declare that there may be advantages to not knowing anything about the lives of your immediate neighbours - except, of couse, maybe when your house gets burgled and the incuriosity of the neighbours becomes less of a boon. Finding people on your wavelength may then depend on how good the 'what's-on' networkds may be, but a lot then may certainly depend on the place you happen to be in.

I know these observations may sound a bit Pluto/Saturny, but then it is in the air right now anyway, possibly. Hopefully this time, the Uranus factor to the coming t-square will demand genuine community that does not involve any kind of big-brother social control.

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Interesting topic, Vinyasa!

Ok, first and foremost, I just want to say that I am/we are not talking about individual natives here with a particular planet in a specific sign, as the native will be MUCH MORE than that one placement/sign. For instance, I have a lonely and self-sufficient Cap Moon and a detached Aqua Sun and Mer, BUT, and here is what makes me esp 'others' oriented'; I also have Sun and Merc plus Ven all around the Dsc, and Ven in the 7th. This makes me want to relate with others. So my person (person=complex/intricate being) is not just limited to, or a Cap Moon or an Aqua Sun, but is MUCH MORE than that.

To answer Vinyasa's question now, I think that some few typical lone-wolf aspects/placements (stand-alone ones) can have to do with Sat-Moon/ Sat-Ven aspects (though Sat-Moon is the stronger one there). If there is also a Plu-Moon aspect, that will accentuate the lonely flavour. Then, planets in the 12th (look at personal planets) have a tendency to be by themselves and, of course, be private, so loneliness comes here from melancholy/dreaminess/fear or too much idealism; whilst with Sat it comes from fear of rejection/self-sufficiency/inhibitions/too much caution.

I also like the way Divine has explained the 'universal friendliness' of the Aquarius theme as compared to Aqua's ability to closely relate on a one-on-one basis (not talking about Aquarian natives here), which is very true. However, I don't think that Aquarian energies lead to being a lonesome-wolf and being cut-off from others. On the contrary, there's a lot of relating through wanting to be a part of groups and the society in general (11th house) plus all the gregariousness that Aquarius brings with itself, but all this happens in a certain emotionally detached way with any one particular person. Still, 'to me' this does not really feel like a lonesome-wolf like, though it may seem to go in that direction (but there will always be people around still). I do think that the very word 'lonesome' belongs to Saturn and Capricornian energies, Pluto 'somewhat', too (through too much of intensity, desire to control, and the secretive issue) plus 12th-house energies. I feel that the Moon, by sign, house and aspects, is very telling in this respect because Moon really shows how you will emotionally relate to people and the bonds you will form. Next in line are Ven/7th house and Mer.


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Re: lone wolf syndrome

Vinyasa, hi! I go along with what Aqua7000 says here:

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Then, planets in the 12th (look at personal planets) have a tendency to be by themselves and, of course, be private, so loneliness comes here from melancholy/dreaminess/fear or too much idealism; whilst with Sat it comes from fear of rejection/self-sufficiency/inhibitions/too much caution.
Only thing I would like to add is, that having planets in the 12th is actually a voluntary loneliness. I can speak for myself here as I have Moon in Scorpio in 12. I just LOVE to be by myself and I never feel lonely. This placement, in my case anyways, shows the need to be alone, not really feeling lonely, two very different things.

Another indication of a lonely wolf can be found in lots of planets in 4th house and planets mostly under the horizon, especially the lights. These people are often strongly introverted and yes, they can feel lonely.

The Moon-Saturn and Venus-Saturn aspects I do not directly associate with lonely wolf characteristics. It shows more introvertion, seriousness about expression of emotions and lovefeelings and being very cautious when associating with others. A Venus-Uranus aspect on the contrary I could associate with that, because such a person keeps contact with others at bay (usually because of some unpleasant experiences in childhood) and therefore create their own loneliness. They often just love to be in a relationship but are just too scared to be rejected, so they rather keep relationships at a distant in order not to be hurt.
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Another indication of a lonely wolf can be found in lots of planets in 4th house and planets mostly under the horizon, especially the lights. These people are often strongly introverted and yes, they can feel lonely.
What's the reasoning behind this, cos I have stellium in fourth including lights and am no way introverted, even though I don't mind time alone, I don't feel lonely either.....

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A Venus-Uranus aspect on the contrary I could associate with that, because such a person keeps contact with others at bay (usually because of some unpleasant experiences in childhood) and therefore create their own loneliness. They often just love to be in a relationship but are just too scared to be rejected, so they rather keep relationships at a distant in order not to be hurt.
Ven-Ura might be erratic, unstable, even looking for unconventional relationships or too worried about losing their freedom in a relationship so keeping close, emotional relationships at bay, but scared to be rejected - sorry never heard of that. The latter is very much a Satunian feature in combination with Moon or Venus, IMO. Though my chart goes beyond Sat-Moon and Sat-Ven aspects (and I have both), I can corroborate the aforementioned, esp as I have Ven in the 7th and Moon in the 5th.


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A Venus-Uranus aspect on the contrary I could associate with that, because such a person keeps contact with others at bay (usually because of some unpleasant experiences in childhood) and therefore create their own loneliness. They often just love to be in a relationship but are just too scared to be rejected, so they rather keep relationships at a distant in order not to be hurt.
This actually resonated with me. That Venus in Aquarius I know, going back to what Astro50 was saying, Im not saying she's deficient by going home alone. She also is an Aries progressed Sun, so she has her own agenda in socializing, it's just business, and career-climbing for her, she's very much in it for herself, and uses groups to obtain power(pluto in 11th). She's a great socializer, and with Sage rising, can be the life of the party. But I knew her for a long time before we moved into a relationship. She had been single for a while after a break up, and seemed to be fine with it. She didnt rush into a relationship with me, and I didnt rush either. We split, and even though there really is still a chance with us, that fear of rejection again is keeping her from getting too close, so she's back to being a lone wolf of sorts, even though she does plenty of networking, and has plenty of friends..Does that make sense?

It reminds me of Pisces Moon Michael Jackson. Im sure he knew plenty of people, and had plenty of people around, but I cant think of anyone more lonely.

Aq7000 is right in saying we're all complex, so we can never pin the lone wolf down to just one aspect, there are a lot of factors, some having nothing to do with astrology. For example, as a Gemini, technically I can be even more friendly, but I grew up in a conservative household, and my parents didnt let me hang out much as a kid. My Saturn in 1st can explain that to a degree, but in other cases, there can be other societal, cultural, economic factors.

Take Japanese culture for instance, regardless of what sign of the Zodiac they're born under, the culture as a whole kind of encourages the hard-working, conservative type.(Please dont think Im stereotyping).

Anyway, my vote for the major archetype representing the lone wolf type is primarily Saturn. As my chart is Saturn-heavy, I can testify to that. The 2nd archetype would be Neptune, and the 12th house. (Aqua50, Im sure some sensitive Pisces may take offense to my "lost in their own world" comment, but Im sure some of them would agree. Not every Pisces is the same, of course, but the ones I know seem to be both present with you, and somehow, very far away at the same time. The 2 Fishes swimming in opposite directions).

I guess the jury is still out on Uranus,Aquarius and the 11th house having to do with the lone wolf, being that these 3 deal with group energies. I cant say my lone wolf tendencies is due to my 11th house sun. So I guess being in the middle of the 10th and 12th houses, there may be a middle ground of introvert/extrovert with Aquarius placements. Where they can be around many people, but not emotionally attached to them. Who knows, could it be their deep inner loneliness that drives them to be around as many people as possible? Hmm....

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Wow!! I got so much valuable input here, that I was wondering: would it be very arbitrary to try to compartmentalize the phenomenon? Because it is correct: the syndrome has multiple expressions, which means diversified reasons, therefore – astrologically speaking – different expressions in a natal chart.
Ok, I will try and make a typology of expressions-roots, without however attempting any taxonomic scheme, ie without following any hierarchical structure. Pure categorization, without any judgemental view either.

Type 1: The Self-sufficient lone wolf. He is self-sufficient, period. He is disciplined. He is responsible. He is aware of the “trip” and of its difficulties. In a world of “let’s have fun and tomorrow is another day”, he is clearly too serious to be mixed with the crowd. He even has a sarcastic humour that often keeps people away. He chose the path because he is aware of the fact that he performs much better when alone. Team-work oriented should not be written under the personal features in his Resume.

Type 2: The Visioner lone wolf. He is one step in front of his time. He may mingle with the crowds, but still he remains detached, aloof. He is humanitarian but in a less personal way: he wants to help society, but not necessarily the person in front of him drowned in his small personal drama. He is by no means sentimental – he is somehow illuminated, and he may dedicate his life into a (spiritual) battle for the common good. He is the lone scientist, inventor, philosopher, thinker, poet, meant in social dimensions or in private ones (I do not mean only celebrities, I mean we all have met at a certain moment in our life such a guy or two, right?) He does not suffer his solitude; he also performs better alone because “too much to do so little time”.

Type 3: The “Abstract” lone wolf. He is so overwhelmed by his own feelings that he does not even need to express them in a concrete way. He does not verbalize feelings, he lives them. He may become the confessor of everyone around: but no-one (or really few) know what is going on inside his own soul. He meditates and knows the depth and length and width of human soul, but for himself he chooses to live in a timeless and spaceless universum. You can’t pin him down: he is too abstract. So he finishes going home with the sentimental load of others – but in most cases, alone.

Type 4: The “Transcendental” lone wolf. He does not belong here. He is so powerful that he generates awe. He may be too over-confident or lack any self confidence – few if any know what is going on inside. Everyone understands it is a matter of power, but what exactly stands behind this mask of control is hard to say. He is detached because in a way unearthly, he does not seem to recognize the debilities of the others and would under no circumstances explicitly state his own. He is not unscrupulous or whatever they accuse him: he must resolve conflicts, oppositions, power plays. Because someone must.

Something like that…
Is it too schematic?
I was put into this temptation because of this statement of Nexus, with which I fully agree:
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And I thought, ok, like with any new knowledge, by putting it under a scheme, you help yourself visualize it and absorb it better.

I do not intend to personalize the theme, when I thought for example ok, let’s take a guy with a grand trine in water, let’s put also his Moon in this pattern, wouldn’t he be too personal to cope with the group? Or let’s take another guy with Venus in Aquarius, a little distant, a little humanistic, maybe too intellectualized for a Venus to be understood by everyone. And let’s add to the mix a Capricorn Sun, or a Mercury Sagittarius: talkative and sociable yes, but often a little bit goofy with words… (better let him hug people and smile…) Anyway, this person, wouldn’t also be kind of lonely? Kind of not-really-depressed-but actually-self-contained-lonely?

IF, let’s say IF, the above scheme is not plainly simplified and thus boring, wouldn’t it represent the 4 planets, Saturn to Pluto? Wouldn’t it have to do with people who for a combination of reasons (major aspects, sign or house dispositor hierarchy, preponderance of element, or a bunch of powerful oppositions in their chart as Flapjacks was saying) fall under the predominance of one of the outer planets? So I am ending back more or less to the post of divine g, and the idea that we are in effect dealing with the force of the outer planets as conceivable through the lone wolves personality… But in this case, wouldn’t the lone wolf syndrome go hand in hand with the human weakness - at least at this stage of awareness – to plumb into the outer planets’ meaning? In other words, it wouldn’t be the wolf’s weakness to be embodied into the social scheme, but the society’s weakness to embody forces they cannot comprehend?

Or am I veering too much?
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but scared to be rejected- sorry never heard of that.[/QUOTE]

I guess that it works out like this at times, also depending of course on the rest of the chart, but I have noticed this to be the reason in many cases in the past with clients. Maybe fear is a big word, but apprehension, even a certain expectation that one might be left or let down by another person is often a strong reason for keeping people at a distance. Coming to close could mean getting hurt. But like I said, it is one of the symptoms or descriptions for a Venus-Uranus square in particular, but I have also seen it with trines as well. In one case I can remember, the ruler of the 7th was Uranus and trined Venus (as well as Mars). Venus and Mars both were in the 11th (Aquarius) house as well, so that might have made the whole thing intenser. Like I said, it depends on other things in a chart. But I have asked the people with these aspects and they admitted that yes, they rather dont come too close then getting into a commitment and being left. This women also had tons of friends, penpals, internet connections, you name it, probably to compensate for this. Clearly a childhood situation being projected of course, but nevertheless.

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Ven-Ura might be erratic, unstable, even looking for unconventional relationships or too worried about losing their freedom in a relationship so keeping close, emotional relationships at bay,
. Very much so. Especially loosing their freedom and the need for constant change in relationships.

Astrologer50, yes, I have seen that very very often. Maybe in your case this is not so, due to other factors in your chart, but many of the clients I saw over the years with these placements were extremely homebound and hardly left their homes except for going out to work.

Some admitted feeling quite lonely at times because of that; they had difficulties leaving their safe home and go out socializing, others were not really bothered as they did not know differently. It was stronger manifested in individuals who had the ruler of the 4th also in the 4th, ruling all the other planets in their 4th house, including ruler of the Ascendant.

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Where they can be around many people, but not emotionally attached to them.
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This is certainly a possibility, but I have also seen that friendships mean a great deal to them and they can emotionally attach to friends, but not so easily with a potential partner, as that goes a step further of course. Friends can leave you alone, can leave you your personal freedom, so no problem there (although some friends can also try to dominate another friend of course), but a love relationship is a different matter and more difficult to handle therefore.

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Very likely I would say. I definitively would, if I would feel lonely . I also have a few friends who are like that. They find it terrible to stay at home alone (contrary to those who are looking for solitude!) and when they do, they call up the whole world !.
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Some admitted feeling quite lonely at times because of that; they had difficulties leaving their safe home and go out socializing, others were not really bothered as they did not know differently. It was stronger manifested in individuals who had the ruler of the 4th also in the 4th, ruling all the other planets in their 4th house, including ruler of the Ascendant.
I have venus/taurus ruling 4th and in 4th and as I keep saying with house systems threads, I'm always in the home, work from and never feel lonely at home or anywhere. I don't have difficulites going out or socialising though --- Aqu Asc will talk and talk. sometimes there has been SO much going on in my home with children that I wished I could escape and have some peace and quiet and now I'm older and they have flown the nest am still happy, just me and the dog.

I have however just had 2 1/2years of progressed moon in pisces, changing mid Oct to Aries (same place as natal moon) and am really looking forward to this. It's been similar/like going through the 12th, more isolation, emotions, oversensitive but going through 2nd was/is how I earn my living from home. So progessing into 3rd hopefully will get me more out of the house and communicating more

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12th house solitude would be very hard to see from the outside. I'd imagine that a person with a lot of 12th would have a lot that they don't share with others.

I'm trying to think of how this works with someone I know who has Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter stellium in the 12th house Leo, trine Moon/Neptune in 4th house Sagittarius.

Her motivations are often unclear or unspoken, but she is not what I'd call a "lone wolf" at all. However, she is extremely religious (Saturn in Virgo in the 1st house, conjunct North Node and square Moon/Neptune) and she seems to want to cut off from the "sins" of the world and cut her children off from the world as well by not allowing them to go to school and teaching them herself (causing a lot of concern from her family--she hasn't enrolled them in homeschool either). She is usually homebound, because of her children (interestingly, two of them are Leos, and the odd one out is an Aquarius, and her husband is also a Leo). I'm sure it does get lonely for her.

I have Venus square Uranus, Virgo Venus in the 4th house, Sag Uranus in the 7th. I'd say those descriptions of Ven-Ura work very well for me, and the 4th house stuff... some of my 'socialite' friends refer to me as a recluse. I can very easily stay at home for a long period of time, never answering the phone because I hate to be interupted, as important work goes on behind these walls.

I don't really get lonely though. I know a friend is never far away. I think when it comes to being a loner out of fear, point the finger at Saturn.

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But in this case, wouldn’t the lone wolf syndrome go hand in hand with the human weakness - at least at this stage of awareness – to plumb into the outer planets’ meaning? In other words, it wouldn’t be the wolf’s weakness to be embodied into the social scheme, but the society’s weakness to embody forces they cannot comprehend?

Or am I veering too much?
I love your ideas, Vinyasa. I like your catagorizing, too... but I admit I just love catagories. Heh. Anyway, I think the "Self-Sufficient" one, if it were to represent a Saturn dominated person, would be a lot about fear as well. We could also mix and match.... someone who is a bit of each. In some cases it would be hard to tell.

For example, a friend of mine is extremely non-social (though not antisocial). He has difficulty communicating, diagnosed with Asbergers Syndrome because he did not socialize with other children when he was young. He is a young adult but in many ways acts like a child, especially in his social mannerisms... such as standing with his feet turned inward, or laying down in a booth at a resturant. His chart is pretty interesting.

His Asc, Sun, Mercury, and Neptune are in Capricorn, with Saturn (chart ruler) in the 12th, conjunct Uranus, and opposed Moon conjunct Chiron. Neptune is exactly on his Ascendant, 0 degrees, and conjunct his Sun. Venus is in Aquarius, square Pluto in Scorpio, and Mars is also in Scorpio. So would you say he is more in tune with Neptune, Saturn, Uranus, or Pluto?

Grappling with the forces of society would be a challenge for people dominated by the outer planets, because it would be hanging over their heads all the time. The lone wolf would be a person who chooses to deal with those pressures by eluding them, or "sneaking" around them. I think, others meet them face to face, try to jump in and influence society directy (i.e. celebrities).

Whether it is the individual who ultimately controls their life as a lone wolf or the society presenting them with no other option, I don't know (if I understand your meaning correctly).
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Hi all! Talking about a "lone wolf" person and people who are feeling lonely. These are two different things . A "lone Wolf" individual prefers to do everything by him/herself but does not at all have to feel lonely. The person might occasionally feel a bit lonely but can then do something about it.

Really feeling lonely is quite another matter. One can feel very lonely in a room full of other people for instance.

I used to be far more social when I was young, probably due to my Ascendant and Sun ruler conjunct in my 5th house in Aries and trining the MC. Parties and entertaining others was a regular thing. Now, years later, I have turned more into a Lone Wolf, living out my Moon in Scorpio in the 12th more. When I think I have been at home a bit too much, I organise a lunch or an outing to a movie or museum. (my partner is not very much into that. He is very much a loner and his clients are his only social life. He has no close friends at all. I am a bit worried about that at times because he concentrates too much on me and wants only to do things with me. Anyways, that is another thing.

So I think that being a Lone Wolf is a thing you choose to be contrary to "feeling lonely". Who wants that right?
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Hi all! Talking about a "lone wolf" person and people who are feeling lonely. These are two different things . A "lone Wolf" individual prefers to do everything by him/herself but does not at all have to feel lonely. The person might occasionally feel a bit lonely but can then do something about it.
Roger, Starlink!
This is exactly my view also, and in the present thread I am not interested in analyzing people who feel lonely, but people who chose to follow a parth in solitude. This is the basic difference about loneliness and solitude. So I was interested into finding the aspects etc in a natal chart which would indicate a person in need of more privacy. And who - at the end - would be so self-contained, that he would be described as "lone wolf".

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Whether it is the individual who ultimately controls their life as a lone wolf or the society presenting them with no other option, I don't know (if I understand your meaning correctly).
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More or less, yes… what i am saying is that, in a society where conventionalism and neediness rules, to be detached, aloof, disciplined to the roots, self-contained, transcendental,… means to be an outcast.
One basic rule of knowledge is “we accept what we understand”. This is what I actually also just did by categorizing the input I received … What we (people) do not understand, we reject. Isn’t the lone wolf a form of outcast? In the family, at school, at work, in the social groups… Whether driven by extreme power or by a lack of self-confidence, he remains disturbingly self-contained. Therefore, he represents a form of negation of the social structure (where we all need each other and we may hurt each other in one thousand ways but we still remain attached) and an inherent contradiction thereof. Something like “a failure in the system”, an error in the matrix…


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His Asc, Sun, Mercury, and Neptune are in Capricorn, with Saturn (chart ruler) in the 12th, conjunct Uranus, and opposed Moon conjunct Chiron. Neptune is exactly on his Ascendant, 0 degrees, and conjunct his Sun. Venus is in Aquarius, square Pluto in Scorpio, and Mars is also in Scorpio. So would you say he is more in tune with Neptune, Saturn, Uranus, or Pluto?

This would actually be my next thought: why can’t we allow interferences between the categories (provided we accept the original scheme of course)… How far away is a Saturnian type from an Uranian type? Can’t he be driven both by his awareness of self sufficiency and by his innovative spirit? Can’t we recognize in the Neptunian type a hint of Plutonian power? Isn’t the absolute control of feelings the highest form of pure power? I have read that women with predominance of Pisces in their chart are able for severe harshness. And from those Piscean women I know, I get the feeling that independently of whether they have already expressed it or not, they all seem able to do it if they are forced to.
Still I do not want to personalize this thread, but if I were to identify myself with a type I would say 60% saturnian 40% aquarian type... This I say not because I want to turn the thread into personal analysis, but I can confirm that yes, there is a fear inside: not the fear of loneliness, but the fear of the awareness of my self-sufficiency, the surprise every time I realize how little I rely on others and how I could continue in the same pattern forever. It is a vicious circle of "no neediness - more isolation - self sufficiency", at the end.
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The most common, of course, is a strong Virgo influence like a Virgo Ascendant. By the way, a virgin in ancient times refer to a woman who does not belong to any man. In the same manner, a Virgo is a person who does not belong to anybody.
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I think Uranus' genius can set it apart..makes it aloof..not by personal choice. but the universe's..but they accept their uniqueness, individuality, quirkiness, and dont try to fit into the "matrix"..

Neptune's compassion may draw it back to the matrix, for service and self-sacrifice..

Vinyasa, tell us more about Pisces' ability to severely harsh..because I experienced that..also a very Plutonian/borderline psychotic Pisces father! Again, those 2 fishes swimming in opposite directions..they can be incredibly Saint-like and compassionate, or incredibly demonic and cruel..

PS Kanshu my asc is progressing into Virgo in few months..what makes you feel that Virgo asc represents a loner type?

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Vinyasa, tell us more about Pisces' ability to severely harsh..because I experienced that..also a very Plutonian/borderline psychotic Pisces father! Again, those 2 fishes swimming in opposite directions..they can be incredibly Saint-like and compassionate, or incredibly demonic and cruel..

PS Kanshu my asc is progressing into Virgo in few months..what makes you feel that Virgo asc represents a loner type?
Hehe, and as I see the experience of what a real Piscean woman is able of remained unforgettable, right?
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Hehe, and as I see the experience of what a real Piscean woman is able of remained unforgettable, right?

Kanshu, as a born Virgo Asc I would really like to hear more from you.... Not to belong to anybody doesn't sound bad at all (Uranus trining Venus+Mars in air speaking...) But between belonging and sentence to eternal loneliness there must be intermediate levels, or....?
First of all, for me, lonewolf = an independent person. It does not necessarily mean lonely or melancholic. Virgos are just known workaholics so it would just seem they're not having fun.

I think "maverick" is a more apt description for Virgos because they have calculating minds. This lonewolf image should not be a mystery when we realize that talented Virgos have enough talents to work alone in jobs or projects that don't require teams to accomplish.

The best example of a Virgo right now is billionaire Warren Buffett. And he is very good at picking stocks (a one-man job). In spite of his obvious loner qualities, he is a very admired and adored person.
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