Is It True That Modern Astrologers Use Ancient Traditional Astrology Techniques?

JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Modernist astrologers use midpoints :smile:

MIDPOINTS were first used by Guido Bonati (1123–1300)
to refine timings in an event chart
https://www.bendykes.com/product/bonatti-on-basic-astrology/

A midpoint is a mathematical point
halfway between two stellar bodies
that tells an interpretative picture
for the individual.
There are two types of midpoints: direct and indirect
 
Oddity

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I've heard the rumour that Bonatti used midpoints before, Jup. Unless you can quote it from Bonatti, I'm not buying it. I'm fairly certain somebody got antiscia and midpoints mixed up and that's how it started.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Oddity said:
I've heard the rumour that Bonatti used midpoints before, Jup.
Unless you can quote it from Bonatti, I'm not buying it.
I'm fairly certain somebody got antiscia and midpoints mixed up and that's how it started.
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Unless you can quote the as yet unidentified "somebody" you refer to
"Fairly certain"
remains uncertain :smile:
 
Oddity

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I've read Bonatti's works. I didn't see midpoints. I would've noticed. Since you're the one referencing it, I thought you were the one who came across it.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Oddity said:
I've read Bonatti's works. I didn't see midpoints. I would've noticed.
Since you're the one referencing it, I thought you were the one who came across it.
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you said
Oddity said:
I've heard the rumour that Bonatti used midpoints before, Jup.
Unless you can quote it from Bonatti, I'm not buying it.
I'm fairly certain somebody got antiscia and midpoints mixed up and that's how it started.
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since you are referencing some unidentified "somebody":smile:
would be useful if you would clarify your allegation
 
Oddity

Oddity

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No, Jup. The only place I've seen 'Bonatti used midpoints' is wikipedia. Not exactly a reliable source on astrology.

If you wish to claim he did, the onus is on you to provide proof. Since nobody alive today was around when Bonatti was alive, the proof, if it existed, would be in his works. I have not found it.

But you must have found it, or you wouldn't make the statement that he did. So give us the quote, please. Or just drop it, because it's an ill-informed rumour.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Oddity said:
No, Jup. The only place I've seen 'Bonatti used midpoints' is wikipedia. Not exactly a reliable source on astrology.

If you wish to claim he did, the onus is on you to provide proof. Since nobody alive today was around when Bonatti was alive, the proof, if it existed, would be in his works. I have not found it.

But you must have found it, or you wouldn't make the statement that he did. So give us the quote, please. Or just drop it, because it's an ill-informed rumour.
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re-read Bonatti :smile:
 
Oddity

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Okay, you don't have a quote. This is pretty much the end of this line of enquiry then. Unless you enjoy spreading falsehoods about traditional astrology, but I think we have quite enough people here already eager to do that. Don't you?
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Oddity said:

Okay, you don't have a quote.
This is pretty much the end of this line of enquiry then.
Unless you enjoy spreading falsehoods about traditional astrology, but I think
we have quite enough people here already eager to do that. Don't you?
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Quite :smile:
Which is the reason you are requested to post your quote
of the unidentified person
you mentioned earlier
who apparently

Oddity said:
I've heard the rumour that Bonatti used midpoints before, Jup.
Unless you can quote it from Bonatti, I'm not buying it.
I'm fairly certain somebody got antiscia and midpoints mixed up and that's how it started.
Click to expand...

Unless you can quote the as yet unidentified "somebody" you refer to
"Fairly certain"
remains uncertain :smile:
 
Oddity

Oddity

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_Bonatti

You copy wholesale from wiki often enough, I thought you might have seen it already. I guess not.

Also, you're simply trolling. If Bonatti used midpoints and you were familiar with his work, you would have quoted it. But you didn't. I am familar with his work, and found no evidence for it.

So I'm gonna stop now and put you back on ignore.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Oddity said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_Bonatti

You copy wholesale from wiki often enough, I thought you might have seen it already. I guess not.

Also, you're simply trolling. If Bonatti used midpoints and you were familiar with his work, you would have quoted it. But you didn't. I am familar with his work, and found no evidence for it.

So I'm gonna stop now and put you back on ignore.
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someone who has "put me back on ignore" cannot be replied to :smile:

Michael said:
Good point. Olivia Barclay claims midpoints were also used by Lilly and even Firmicus.
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Modernist astrologers use Secondary Progression

The basic secondary progression as described by Valens
can be accomplished in the free open-source astrological program, Morinus
by selecting “Secondary Directions” from the “Chart” menu
or pressing CTRL+SHIFT+F4 while a chart is open.
This type of progression is a useful predictive device.
http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/?p=17
secondary progressions were not widespread in Hellenistic astrology.
Like many other predictive techniques
evidence of their use in that era survives only in the work of Valens :smile:

Valens discussed two methods of secondary progressions
in the final book, Book IX, of his Anthology.
The first is the standard method
in which one determines the age of the native
and then adds that many years in days to the birth date
and looks at the transits to the natal chart on that day.
http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/?cat=9
 
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