Analyzation of Rand's Natal Chart

AppLeo

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Good evening ladies and gentlemen, my name is Appleo, and I'll be doing Rand's chart today.


Ayn Rand Chart Analyzation​

Ayn Rand has probably been one of the most influential authors and philosophers of the 21st century. Her compelling objectivism philosophy and genius ability to integrate her ideas into her fictional writing is phenomenal and has gained the attraction of millions of people.

I’m really excited to analyze her chart because she’s kind of one my heroes. I am Right Wing Libertarian economically, and advocate Rand’s views; however, I am ultimately here to inform of an interesting person with an in depth chart analysis. I try analyze the charts of those, who I feel, played an important role in our world. Ayn Rand is definitely one of those people, who should be read more by people, and because of my own interest in her, I have been able to put forth my astrological knowledge better than usual.

Although Rand past away in 1982, chart analyzations become considerably easier when you have the person’s entire history. It also helps to analyze a chart of someone famous with a large influence. It’s difficult to get an understanding of someone’s chart when you have no idea who they are, what their background is, and what their purpose is. People can definitely fulfill their purpose without being in the spotlight, but they may never be recognized by the public to be known; you only have the chart itself to understand a person’s life.

And one may argue that the whole purpose of astrology is to read someone’s chart so that you can predict and understand one’s life without actually analyzing their life at all; however, being able to analyze a natal chart in parallel to one’s full history can help articulate the value and veracity of astrological prediction. After studying Ayn Rand’s history and her chart, there’s no doubt in my mind that astrology is real; her chart clearly exhibits the themes of her life, personality, and philosophical stance. So in my argument to all those that think astrology is a load of B.S., if Rand’s chart matches her life then anyone else’s natal chart must display the themes of their life as well. The only trouble is reading a chart accurately and thoroughly enough when predicting the future of an event or one’s life without making a mistake.

According to the Rand Institute, she was born on February 2, 1905 in St. Petersburg, Russia. I am absolutely sure that her birthdate and birth place is correct; as far as the time goes, it could be wrong. According to astro.com, Rand’s birth time is 3:30 PM. From my understanding, this birth time is the best fit. It may be a few minutes off, but that wouldn’t drastically change the chart.

Before I do Rand’s chart, I recommend you read about her history, philosophy, personality, and influence. I don’t want to waste words on Rand’s history when I should be focusing on her astrologically (even though I probably will). So if you want to keep up with what I’m discussing about her, make sure you understand who she is. Or just don’t read about her and just give me the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, now to get onto the chart reading. It will be long because I have a lot to say, so just sit back, relax, and try to savor what I’m articulating.

I think we can all agree that Rand was a genius. Her intellectual capacity was extraordinary. It can be explained by many aspects of her chart, which I will get to, but I think her Aquarius Sun fully encompasses who she was. She had a futuristic vision (it's like she literally saw 100 years into the future), an intuitive, intellectual sense, and many of her of actions were geared towards humanitarian pursuits. Aquarians often play the role of God or The Prophet. Her entire philosophy, “Objectivism,” was focused on promoting human welfare. Obviously not in the way we would think through altruistic, sacrificial pursuits, but nonetheless, she believed and wanted her philosophy to help further the lives of fellow man.

As we all know, Objectivism operates on the idea of the ego and selfishness. And this idea of selfishness couldn’t be more clear in her chart! Ayn Rand herself had a big ego! Some even believed Rand was an elitist or superior. On her Ascendant and Descendant axis, (the part of the chart that demonstrates how we engage in the world through our identity and how we engage with other people) are both being controlled by the most egocentric signs of the zodiac. Leo is very much concerned with himself and his creative endeavors. Aquarius is fundamentally the same, except, Aquarius believes that everyone should be concerned with their individuality and because Aquarius helps others with this concept that makes the Aquarius feel that they are God somehow. To me, this sounds very much like Objectivism – at a very profound level. Rand governs her identity and other’s identity solely based on the self or selfish interest as she believes it to be. And this idea is only reinforced because her Sun is in the 7th house.

On multiple levels, Sun in the 7th house (in aquarius) is often a difficult placement. I think Ayn Rand learned very quickly that her selfless efforts to help other people didn’t really help her in return; and that is another reason why her philosophy has operated from an extremely selfish perspective. 7th house Sun signs, when young, find that they are taken advantage of. They believe that if they give, they should receive in return. But because the Sun (self) is in the house of other people, people are able to walk all over it. 7th house people have no boundaries, have no sense of self, and enter relationships before getting to know themselves. They do not feel complete unless they have another half filling them up. But this thinking is contradictory.

Any level-headed person knows that they cannot be filled unless they have self-esteem. How can you have a relationship with someone else if you don’t value yourself first? You find 7th house people in relationships become extremely selfish. If people walk all over them, they suddenly realize that they need to set boundaries and create a real sense of self from within. By entering a relationship, they become egoistic. If they entered a relationship without selfishness, they would lose themselves.

Whatever planets are located the 7th house, it usually indicates the kinds of people and relationships we have. Ayn Rand, probably, met many selfish, egotistical people in her life; or she saw people that way. The Sun rules the self. The idea of socialism makes absolutely no sense from her view. How can one be moral if man is unselfish? Rand, as a Sun in the 7th, has already tried this and it did not work. Ayn Rand realized from her perspective that man is very selfish and to operate any differently would be a disaster.

This is wear Rand’s idea of selfishness and self-esteem comes from in her Objectivist philosophy. You’d think that a 7th house Sun would be the most altruistic person in the world, but it’s quite the opposite. The 7th house rules over social contracts and relationship connections. Rand even said herself, that in order to “love someone you must first use the word I.” Something that every 7th house Sun understands or will learn in the future.

In an interview with Mike Wallace, he asked about her marriage and if there were any contradictions because of her philosophy (Wallace). She responds by saying, “You see, I am in love with him selfishly; it is through my own interest if he ever needed it. I would not call that a sacrifice because I take selfish pleasure in it” (Wallace). So you can see how this 7th house Sun dynamic, actually in way overcompensates for altruism. Wallace says, but in your book you talked about love as some business deal as some kind. But isn’t the idea of love above self-interest?

Rand puts it very clearly. “What would it mean to have love above one’s interest? It would mean for instance that the husband would tell his wife you are moral according to the conventional morality that I am marrying you just for your own sake. I have no personal interest in it, but I am so unselfish that I am marrying just for your own good” (Wallace).

Rand then says, “Would any woman like that?” (Wallace). Of course no woman would like that. The Sun in the 7th house is selfish in their relationships. They value someone else for their selfishness and their selfish gains. It is no wonder that 7th house Suns are known for their marriage.

Rand was married to her husband for 50 years until she died.

7th house Suns are often paradoxical because although seem selfish in their relationships, they actually become the most kind and connected to people, than any unselfish person could be. How? Because selfish people are in relationships that matter to them. Unselfish people are in the relationships that they do not care about, and therefore have nothing of real worth to offer.

The 7th house often deals with business contracts and law contracts. Ayn Rand’s Sun once again comes out when she says, “Every business has to have its own terms and its own kind of currency and in love the currency is virtue.” Rand even set up a contract with an earlier relationship that she had between three people. Because relationships are business deals; in fact, probably the most important business deals of your life, so you must choose wisely.

An Aquarius Sun in the 7th house is the most loving and intelligent when it comes to human relationships and Rand’s words to show it. Maybe not in the way that you would expect.

“You do not love people for what you do for them, or what they do for you. You love them for their values––their virtues.

7th House Aquarius Sun has a big responsibility. Aquarius Suns love everyone, but with Sun in the 7th house, you lose yourself to everyone. No mortal can truly love everyone. Rand’s Aquarius Sun combines with Leo, because you have to remember that the Sun is ruled by Leo. Her identity of Leo is being expressed in Aquarius. Leo loves people because they see those people as extensions of themselves. “You are mine. I love you. No one else can love you because you are important to me. You actually mean something to me compared to someone else.” Aquarius loves you because he has the power to set you free. When you combine these signs, a Leo/Aquarius sets those free that he feels deserve to be loved. And this is what I love about Rand’s philosophy. Here’s a quote: “You do not love indiscriminately; you only love those that deserve it. If a man wants love, he should correct his flaws, and he may deserve it. But he cannot expect the unearned.”


That’s why 7th house people have the best relationships because they understand the idea of give and take. In Objectivism, it’s all about creating win-win situations. It’s the only fair and logical in a capitalistic society to exchange goods between two strong self-esteemed individuals. That is how real relational contractions are met. Rand advocated this idea not only to herself, but to everyone because of her Aquarius Sun.

Rand knows all about fairness in a relationship. You can clearly see this Sun in the 7th acted in two other ways of her life. When she was about 40 years old, before entering into a relationship with a fairly younger man, she set up a contract, beforehand, that they both wanted to be in a relationship. Unfortunately the younger man broke the relationship,

In the end, Rand was married to her husband for 50 years. Sun in 7th house people truly understand relationship dynamics, and are usually proud to be together with someone for a long time.
Unsurprisingly, Rand had no children. This is common among Aquarius people. Aquarians are too concerned with their ideas and the outside world to truly be able to provide for a child. That’s not to say that Aquarians are not good parents, but to many Aquarians, the world is their children on a subconscious level.

Often Leo and Aquarius are seen as narcissistic signs. Does that mean Ayn Rand is?? I’m not sure. She had a rather authoritarian nature, had a big ego, and advocated the capitalistic market ruthlessly, which spells plain narcissism to many people. However, narcissism can prevail in socialistic and communistic economies as well for narcissists that achieve governmental power. Rand also promotes selfishness as a positive and important aspect of a human’s life. Often, the most narcissistic people or people who fall victim to narcissists have no concept of what true selfishness and self-esteem is. Altruism is the blood that pulls narcissism in like vampires. I think this is why Rand is often misunderstood and so amazingly brilliant. Narcissists may appear to act in their self-interest, when in fact, they do everything that is against their self interest. They lie, steal, cheat, and hurt people which can actually end up destroying their life in the end; they desperately and unsuccessfully try to fill up themselves with fake love and pleasures. Narcissists live empty, apathetic lives. Not to mention, the enablers that they “love” have no self-esteem. They have no self-interest. It is not in your interest to hurt yourself, so that other people to survive. Enablers sacrifice themselves fully to the narcissist. And as Rand has said, wouldn’t you feel insulted if someone loved you for your own good. That is why narcissists hate and despise people. No one is with a narcissist because they truly love the narcissist; the person is just as sad and empty as the narcissist is. I think Rand has channeled the energies of Leo and Aquarius in the most useful and powerful ways possible through Objectivism. I am a Leo with Sun in the 7th house, so it’s obvious that I would understand her… I wonder what a Libra or Virgo with their Sun in the 1st house would say though??

Alright, let’s talk about the Moon and the aspects surrounding the Moon. This is the biggest and most powerful piece when interpreting her chart, I think. The Moon and aspects to the Moon tells us so much it is absolutely unbelievable. It’s astounding to me that astrology could tell us this much!

Ayn Rand, is often seen as a logical person. Her Objectivist viewpoint uses logic as a base. An article called, Mrs. Logic, by Sam Anderson even referred to Rand as (I already said it), “Mrs. Logic.” It’s obvious that Rand is a cold and rational person. It’s clearly demonstrated through her Moon in Capricorn. This Moon in Capricorn really tells us a lot.

Not only that, but the Moon is being conjunct by Mercury (by literally a 1 degree orb) and tightly squared by Jupiter!!! This is, right here, is the major piece of the puzzle. First of all, Moon conjunct Mercury points to a writer. Mercury is at one with the Moon. The intellect and ideas are motivated from an emotional viewpoint, which is often expressed through writing. This aspect can also apply to Rand’s genius. Many people who have Mercury in aspect to the Moon are exceptionally intelligent. The mind (mercury) and the heart (moon) are coming into one, which creates a beautiful mind. Mercury is able to analyze the emotions (moon) of oneself. Moon feels invigorated by Mercury. Rand’s emotional nature (moon) is determined by her ability to think (mercury). She is motivated (moon) by her thoughts (mercury). And with this conjunction taking place in Capricorn it’s clearly seen here that she is most certainly logical and analytical.

This conjunction is being squared by Jupiter. This aspect is the classic expression of the philosopher. The mind (mercury) has a desire to think and expand as well as the moon. I’m going to refer this conjunction as Mercuroon. The downside to the square can give an overconfident nature in one’s ideas. This is seen many times with Rand. Although Rand carefully put together her philosophy (due to capricorn), I don’t think she has ever gone back or admitted any fault in it. It’s the perfect philosophy to her, and doesn’t see any reason to back over the specifics. Objectivism could potentially be a utopian fantasy and would never be achievable just as the utopian communism hasn’t been achieved. I’m not saying Objectivism is wrong; I have no idea. However, this square has definitely given Rand the gift of genius. In fact, I think Rand wanted to consume and understand so many ideas that her mind could not keep up. The only way should could keep up was too strengthen her mind. She even said in an interview (which I forgot where, oops), that she was writing at an early age and was utterly bored during her school years. She even mentioned that she hated her childhood. Typical of people with Capricorn influence.

I think her Capricorn Mercuroon has really grounded her philosophy and may have blended with this Jupiterain aspect exceptionally well. Knowing that Saturn is pretty much the opposite of Jupiter and Saturn being ruled Capricorn, the Mercuroon can surely handle Jupiter. While Jupiter wants to expand the mind to the point of showing holes, the capricorn aspect gave Rand the ability to specialize in and truly ground her philosophy. From my personal biased opinion, it was very clear to me that her philosophy had very little flaws, if any flaws. Especially because of the fact that it’s fundamentally based on ruthless logic, which is of the nature of Capricorn to be cold and clear. Hell, she spent her entire life building and grounding her philosophy. You could say that Rand’s philosophy isn’t even over-generalized, but actually too critical of herself and other people. It’s difficult to argue logical concepts because you need to also backup your arguments with logic. So I think this is why the Jupiterian aspect, which would create a very philosophical and glossy thinking, is actually much more grounded and practical in nature.

And you can further understand Rand’s Objectivist philosophy because of the fact that this square is taking place in the signs of Capricorn and Aries! This explains so many things. First of all, it explains why Objectivism is capitalist. Think about Aries and Capricorn in combination… Capricorn is all about business. Aries is all about selfish desires. It’s obvious how these signs would create a selfish, capitalist philosophical nature as Rand describes. Not only is capitalism the only fair way, but she views capitalism as a means to make the life of mankind considerably easier. The achievements and successes of man are rewarded. Aries and Capricorn are both extremely ambitious signs. In fact, they are probably the most ambitious signs of the zodiac. Capricorn has an exceptional tenacity to work and Aries has the ability to pursue actions quickly and powerfully. Aries gives Capricorn boost and efficiency, while Capricorn grounds and gives Aries energy direction and endurance. In combination this would create the ultimate businessman or producer, and because these signs are the fuel for Rand’s philosophy it’s no wonder how it all fits together in her writing and ideas (mercuroon).

Not only does this aspect tell us about Rand’s philosophy, but it tells us about her life. She was ambitious for knowledge and the expansion of her mind. She was ruthless in her pursuit for knowledge. It’s funny yet so amazing when she Rand viewed life as a child as, “awful and boring.” Her mind was way too fast and mature for her age. Which is clearly seen with the signs of Aries and Capricorn. Her life as child, in general sucked. Which is common among Capricorn people. They reap the benefits later in life. Rand saw her father’s business being taken away by the ugly collective communism, in fact, she viewed her father as this strong man with an independence and self-esteem… This is clearly indicated in her chart with the Aries MC. The MC is often associated with the mother or father, in this case, the father. Her father influenced her philosophy because the Jupiter aspects are coming from the 10th house. And as I’ve said before, the 10th house represents our father, but also our reputation. Everyone saw Rand as this selfish person, which common with Aries energy.

The Jupiter square aspected Mercuroon in the 6th house. The 6th house is associated our daily work. This makes sense because her writing became her daily work. On a daily basis she used her mind.
Looking at Rands 4th house, we find Libra. I’m guessing this represents her mother, and in a way, opposes her MC. Her home-life was very Libran. In fact, blank, referred to her mother as kind of the state or authoritarian. Rand didn’t like her mother; the same way as she did not like Communism. Which can all be indicated by Libra. Libra is the sign of altruism, the thing that Rand hated the most and believed was fundamentally immoral. Rand’s mother sacrificed very much for Rand, her mother even said, “I wish I never had you” because I’m doing this out of duty (capricorn). The moon represents the mother. The Mother became the home or the grounding when Rand’s father lost his business to communism. She worked (capricorn) and sacrificed (libra) herself to make Rand’s life the best. When Rand was finally able to flee Russia, that’s when she got to United States and worked hard to grow her life (once again the Capricorn theme showing up). This Mercuroon aspect to Jupiter indicated that Rand would travel foreignly because Jupiter represents foreign travel.

This is seen with her Mars in the 4th house. 4th house planets represent our backbone and who we fundamentally are to the core. Rand was this strong, ambitious person on the inside who insisted on independence and power from within, but also a connection of people because of Libra. Never would she agree to a communistic way of life where everyone was the same and unwilling to work to achievement, but she it’s very well possible to have altruistic relationships (libra) where you help one another where both people exchange selfish values in a capitalistic society.

Mars is square to the Sun. Which, once again, describes someone who fights for independence, can come off as selfish, easily angered and passionate. Mars is in Scorpio, so there’s a deep sense of feeling for this Mars placement. A Mars placement that ultimately wants power, especially with other people. This Mars could be depicting a Mars that wanted a real companionship. Scorpio is the next from Libra; taking a relationship and creating values and combining individual powers into one ultimate power.

This square between the Sun and Mars is taking place between Aquarius and Scorpio. These both deal with other people. There’s a need to establish a sense of self regarding people. It’s rooted deeply within Rand’s soul with Mars in the 4th house and especially with other people with the Sun in the 7th. A square between these signs can usually can indicate a cynical or a need to transform humanity. There’s a very strong passion regarding humans. As we have clearly see Rand doing for the majority of her life, she fought to transform humanity for the better with this Sun square Mars aspect.

Rand’s Pluto, Jupiter, and Saturn aspects, I think, represent the transformation of her life. She was born and raised in Russia, and then ultimately fled (jupiter) giving her a strong sense of the world (pluto). Pluto also widely aspects her Sun, which gives her a sense of power. That entire experience was difficult and scarring (Saturn in the 8th). I don’t know; I’m a little shaky on aspects between these planets, but anyway. The Pluto in Gemini gave Rand an ability with words. But as I’ve mentioned before, we see the cynical or transformative view of humanity with Pluto in the 11th house. The 11th house represents the group or collective and Pluto represents change. And then we see an inconjunct with Pluto and her Mercuroon; she was able to direct this transformative energy into her writing. And because of the fact that Pluto was in such a close degree to personal planets, makes the Pluto in Gemini even more prevalent. I love how you can tell Ayn Rand is a great writer just by looking at her chart.

Mars is also being trine by Neptune. It’s no wonder RAnd values creativity. It’s also no wonder that Rand loves music and other people’s creations when we see the square between Venus and Neptune.

Speaking of her Venus, it’s in the 29th degree of Pisces. I guess you could say she was in love with the illusion of the hero (Aries + Pisces). 29 degree Pisces is almost in Aries, so it’s a combination of both.

The Venus squares may also symbolize the addiction she had. I think she smoked or did some kind of drug excessively, but it was the only way she could really get through her writing. Some people need drugs to maintain the focus they need to work.

I’m starting to slow down a little bit on my writing and detail, but I’m tired of writing.

Her North Node is in Virgo in the 3rd house. I think she achieved her destiny. :lol:

Sources:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ooKsv_SX4Y&feature=share

http://nymag.com/arts/books/features/60120/

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AppLeo

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Ayn Rand's Natal Chart

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AppLeo

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SO... I have been enlightened by an astrological god...

I don't know his/her name, but this his/her blog.

http://astrolibertarian.blogspot.com

I just barely found it, but this person places much importance on the asteroid Pallas.

According to astrolibertarian, Pallas is the asteroid of Libertarianism.

Pallas is the asteroid of logic, intelligence, doing whatever possible to avoid violence; the asteroid of liberty.

So I pulled up Ayn Rand's chart just to see what her chart would say. Because I'm just like, "She has to have some aspect to Pallas. Everything she has been preaching – logic, nonviolence, liberty, capitalism, and individualism..."

AND GUESS WHAT!!!!! She has her freaking Pallas CONJUNCT her MERCURY AND MOON IN CAPRICORN. LIKE JESUS!!! It's no wonder her entire being and philosophy is rooted in logic. Logic > Force

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AppLeo

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Read the "Philosophy of Ayn Rand". She compares those who can't function successfully in the competitive Capitalistic economic system as "giant rats", unworthy of consideration. "Man qua man" is her way of saying some Souls are innately superior, and that the Capitalistic economic system is the only acceptable measure of a person's true worth. It's a very cold-blooded, hard-hearted attitude, and is exactly what Capricorn is against. Its also antithetical to the generous, warm-hearted Sign, Leo.
Compare her philosophy to that of Jesus: "As you do unto the least of them, so you do unto Me."

I'll admit, she was quite authoritarian in her views; however, Ayn Rand stands greatly for the general libertarian principles.

Capitalism is the only economic system that is acceptable for someone's true worth. You think the opposite, socialism and communism, have any idea of what true worth and value means?? :lol: Just look at the wealth and value created during the days of Soviet Russia ruled by Stalin, China ruled by Mao, and modern day socialist Venezuela. All of those opposed capitalism and created no value – actually created destruction, and death for the sake of the "Big Idea" or "Truth" or "Common Good" of the people.

As far as I'm concerned, if you simply cannot create value for yourself, then I agree, you are a giant rat unworthy of consideration. There are so many useless people in America, and the left-wing only enforces uselessness by giving them benefits instead of making them create the wealth themselves as strong responsible people.

LIKE OMG, the other day at my job, one of the waitresses was purposely trying to get fired so that she could collect unemployment. And guess what, she did! That person is a giant rat. Disgusting. Socialism and communism supports that horrible behavior. It wants people to be useless and to pretend that they have value when they clearly do not.

By the way, most Leos are in support of right-wing and capitalism. Look at Ron Paul and Milton Friedman. Ayn Rand herself had a Leo Rising. Leo is generous, but only to those who deserve it. Aquarius is generous, but to everyone for the sake of "equality." The reason why Leo can be warm and generous in the first place is because they give to people that they truly admire. Aquarius is cold and detached because it cannot see the difference in people. They see everyone as equal and therefore, they have cold compassion towards everyone.

Isn't Capricorn kind of cold-blooded and hard-hearted?? I'm sorry, I thought Cancer, the mother and empath, was opposite of Capricorn – or am I just making **** up? Capricorn and Capitalism can almost be used interchangeably. They both have the same root word and underlying expression. I have no idea what nonsense you're speaking of. I wonder if you believe that the fundamental energies of Libra is selfish and one-sided, or that Virgo is a dreamer, or that Pisces is realistic and detailed.

By the way, because Leos are generous and warm, they do not rely on the cold use of violence or coercion of the government to support the unfortunate. They do it from their hearts – private voluntary donations, and charity.
 
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david starling

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AppLeo, read the Preamble to the Constitution. Also, you're presupposing a court system with the authority to enforce contracts to ensure that inventors, contractors, employees, and artists and authors don't get ripped off; and, a police force to prevent theft of property and violent assaults. I'm an anarchist at heart, but it won't work because of pervasive greed and lack of compassion. Btw, Ayn Rand did make use of the Social Security system, herself. If you get hurt on the job, there's Workman's Compensation. Don't you want to live in a humane society? If you're entirely selfish, you're free-loading off of the generosity of others.
 
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craft94

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Read the "Philosophy of Ayn Rand". She compares those who can't function successfully in the competitive Capitalistic economic system as "giant rats", unworthy of consideration. "Man qua man" is her way of saying some Souls are innately superior, and that the Capitalistic economic system is the only acceptable measure of a person's true worth. It's a very cold-blooded, hard-hearted attitude, and is exactly what Capricorn is against. Its also antithetical to the generous, warm-hearted Sign, Leo.
Compare her philosophy to that of Jesus: "As you do unto the least of them, so you do unto Me."

What do you mean it's what Capricorn is against? I think that's more the dark side of Capricorn. Unsurprisingly, every Ayn Rand fan I know has a Capricorn placement (Moon, Ascendant and Jupiter usually, one person has a Cap stellium). To me, it's not coincidence that Capricorn and Capitalism share the same root: cap. I do think there are Capricorns who can use their ambition for a higher purpose, however.

Politically, however, I agree with you, David.
There are certain aspects of Ayn Rand's philosophy that I can sympathize with - I don't think selfishness is *necessarily* a bad thing, I think most women in particular actually need to be more selfish, I agree with that quote about love - but overall, I disagree with it for the reasons you stated. I read a couple of her books (the Virtue of Selfishness, etc) and came to the conclusion that she had a very anti-Libran philosophy. That's literally what I told my friend

Well, I don't agree with you on everything. I lean more towards anarchism but Ayn Rand isn't an anarchist. Anarchism = no classes, no hierarchy (IMO)
 
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wilsontc

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astrology only, to All

All,

Please stick to discussing astrology on the Astrology Forum. If you want to discuss political science or economic theories, go to a Forum that focuses on those things.

Back on topic,

Tim
 

david starling

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What do you mean it's what Capricorn is against? I think that's more the dark side of Capricorn. Unsurprisingly, every Ayn Rand fan I know has a Capricorn placement (Moon, Ascendant and Jupiter usually, one person has a Cap stellium). To me, it's not coincidence that Capricorn and Capitalism share the same root: cap. I do think there are Capricorns who can use their ambition for a higher purpose, however.

Politically, however, I agree with you, David.
There are certain aspects of Ayn Rand's philosophy that I can sympathize with - I don't think selfishness is *necessarily* a bad thing, I think most women in particular actually need to be more selfish, I agree with that quote about love - but overall, I disagree with it for the reasons you stated. I read a couple of her books (the Virtue of Selfishness, etc) and came to the conclusion that she had a very anti-Libran philosophy. That's literally what I told my friend

Well, I don't agree with you on everything. I lean more towards anarchism but Ayn Rand isn't an anarchist. Anarchism = no classes, no hierarchy (IMO)

Sun-Capricorns are well aware of the "dark side" within everyone, including themselves, and resist it as much as possible. Anything in Capricorn is a difficult placement because of its Saturnian rulership, but Sun-Capricorns handle it best. Other Sun-signs with Capricorn placements often react to Saturn VERY badly. I should have specified it's what Sun-Capricorns are against.
"Capitalism" is from the Latin for "head".
"Capricorn" is from the Latin for "goat's horn".
 
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david starling

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I'll admit, she was quite authoritarian in her views; however, Ayn Rand stands greatly for the general libertarian principles.

Capitalism is the only economic system that is acceptable for someone's true worth. You think the opposite, socialism and communism, have any idea of what true worth and value means?? :lol: Just look at the wealth and value created during the days of Soviet Russia ruled by Stalin, China ruled by Mao, and modern day socialist Venezuela. All of those opposed capitalism and created no value – actually created destruction, and death for the sake of the "Big Idea" or "Truth" or "Common Good" of the people.

As far as I'm concerned, if you simply cannot create value for yourself, then I agree, you are a giant rat unworthy of consideration. There are so many useless people in America, and the left-wing only enforces uselessness by giving them benefits instead of making them create the wealth themselves as strong responsible people.

LIKE OMG, the other day at my job, one of the waitresses was purposely trying to get fired so that she could collect unemployment. And guess what, she did! That person is a giant rat. Disgusting. Socialism and communism supports that horrible behavior. It wants people to be useless and to pretend that they have value when they clearly do not.

By the way, most Leos are in support of right-wing and capitalism. Look at Ron Paul and Milton Friedman. Ayn Rand herself had a Leo Rising. Leo is generous, but only to those who deserve it. Aquarius is generous, but to everyone for the sake of "equality." The reason why Leo can be warm and generous in the first place is because they give to people that they truly admire. Aquarius is cold and detached because it cannot see the difference in people. They see everyone as equal and therefore, they have cold compassion towards everyone.

Isn't Capricorn kind of cold-blooded and hard-hearted?? I'm sorry, I thought Cancer, the mother and empath, was opposite of Capricorn – or am I just making **** up? Capricorn and Capitalism can almost be used interchangeably. They both have the same root word and underlying expression. I have no idea what nonsense you're speaking of. I wonder if you believe that the fundamental energies of Libra is selfish and one-sided, or that Virgo is a dreamer, or that Pisces is realistic and detailed.

By the way, because Leos are generous and warm, they do not rely on the cold use of violence or coercion of the government to support the unfortunate. They do it from their hearts – private voluntary donations, and charity.

1 dont think ANY economic system should be used to value a person's worth.

And, each indicator is different--Sun in Capricorn isn't the same as other placements, because it's about Capricornian effect on the Sun alone. And the Sun Capricorns I know are very kind, helpful and considerate. They do tend to feel sorry for themselves, which is understandable, since they bear the full weight of Saturn at all times.
 

david starling

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Her Chart is VERY powerful, but merciless.

Aquarius Sun opposite Leo Ascendant shuts out the Aquarian quality of helping the less fortunate through social policies. :saturn:/:uranus: in adversarial mutual reception, with a sharp mind :)mercury: in :capricorn:) but Conj an unhappy Moon in :capricorn: gives her a Saturnian point of view which she was quite proficient at expressing.

Using the 12/12 pattern I developed based on Element/Modality relationships, she has FOUR Exalted placements: Jupiter, Mercury, Mars, and Pluto; and, Sense of Purpose from Asc. in Leo.
 
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david starling

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Apps, doesn't it seem like opinions about how the world should be run are mostly based on our own, individual Charts? Like someone once said, "Everyone's entitled to their own opinion". :smile:
 

AppLeo

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Thank you for writing that analysis, it must have taken a lot of work and time

Thanks! :biggrin:

While I appreciate your comment, I can't help but sense 20-50% sarcasm in all your positive comments given our history. But whatever :tongue:

Regarding my actual post, I cringe reading it because I've developed significantly as a writer.
 

Bunraku

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She got her ideas across, which is really what matters at the end of the day.
The same with you--you got your ideas across just fine. :smile:
 

AppLeo

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1 dont think ANY economic system should be used to value a person's worth.

And, each indicator is different--Sun in Capricorn isn't the same as other placements, because it's about Capricornian effect on the Sun alone. And the Sun Capricorns I know are very kind, helpful and considerate. They do tend to feel sorry for themselves, which is understandable, since they bear the full weight of Saturn at all times.

Her Chart is VERY powerful, but merciless.

Aquarius Sun opposite Leo Ascendant shuts out the Aquarian quality of helping the less fortunate through social policies. :saturn:/:uranus: in adversarial mutual reception, with a sharp mind :)mercury: in :capricorn:) but Conj an unhappy Moon in :capricorn: gives her a Saturnian point of view which she was quite proficient at expressing.

Using the 12/12 pattern I developed based on Element/Modality relationships, she has FOUR Exalted placements: Jupiter, Mercury, Mars, and Pluto; and, Sense of Purpose from Asc. in Leo.

Apps, doesn't it seem like opinions about how the world should be run are mostly based on our own, individual Charts? Like someone once said, "Everyone's entitled to their own opinion". :smile:

David, I appreciate the life and ideas you bring to the forum, but your brain is a big box of rocks as far as I'm concerned.
 

Bunraku

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What's your opinion on the rectified chart of Ayn Rand?
15:05:40 Eastern European Standard Time?

I did a preliminary analysis, and it seems like this one fits her also.
 
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